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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Dedicato on September 16, 2002, 12:07:57 AM
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dre was interviewd about aftermath records recently, about it becoming probably the best label within production at the moment and so on, the interviewer asked dre about his old label death row and said that without him death row woudnt of started period, dre also stated that "you thought death row was big well aftermaths gonna be the biggest by far, by far" "ive got all top artists on the label and big plans now , all the ingrediants to make this the best, im still searching for a real big star im searchin for a star like , death row had tupac bad boy had biggie well within time im gonna get one of those stars"
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he already got eminem
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No ... I dont think, that Em is his vision of a real STAR! Pac was a star ...
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IMO Em's already a star. He's the world's best known rap artist. And yes, he's bigger than Pac.
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IMO Em's already a star. He's the world's best known rap artist. And yes, he's bigger than Pac.
agreed. If not Em, then take your pick out of Cube or Rakim
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That interview sounds fake... what the fuck is he talking about? Eminem is a fucking international superstar, the covers of Teen Magazine and Source Magazine, and oversee's shit, and sold out tours he headlines, and selling millions world over, #1 on TRL.... 2pac never sold a million in one week... this shit doesn't make sense... lol
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Could be real, to me Em is like the Snoop of the label. Real big, will be rememberes fo' sho, but not the same legend caliber that Pac was.
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I said this before: Aftermath is going to be the biggest hiphop-recordlabel of all time, Dre will do whatever it takes to make Aftermath bigger than Death Row was back in the day!!
I dont understand why most of yall sleepin on Aftermath, cuz shit gonna get big, REAL big, its already big but it will get bigger!
We have: Rakim, Dr.Dre, Ice Cube, Eminem look at the line-up!
Not even Death Row had 4 names that were that big!?
They had: Dr.Dre, Snoop, 2Pac as the biggest stars, Daz, Kurupt, Nate Dogg wasnt that big at the time, nowadays you can compare them to D-12, Obie Trice, 50 cent, but back in the day Kurupt COULD rap, Daz COULD produce platinum hits and Nate featured on some songs (many) and he was and is dope.
Nowadays: Kurupt CANT rap like he did, Daz CANT produce platinum hits anymore but Nate still sounds dope even doper!
If Dre signs McRen & Nate, Aftermath will be the biggest label period, im pretty sure yall agree´s on that one.
Peace
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Eminem isn't a superstar like 'Pac. 'Pac was the highest selling rapper ever, and is by far the most iconic rap star ever. Over 36 million sold, and growing. Eminem is at 14 million I think, but 'Pac is a true star.
But the difference between Aftermath and Death Row is that Aftermath is full of vets that know the game, and know what it takes to put out classics. Truth, Dre, Cube and Rakim are all over 30, plus Eminem is coming into his own, and Mel-Man is coming into his own. Though Death Row had the better supporting cast, I'd take a hungry Daz, Kurupt, Nate Dogg, OFTB and Outlawz over D-12, Obie Tribe and 50 Cents. Old school Death Row has a deeper roster, but Rakim, Cube, Eminem and Dre can over take Snoop, 'Pac and Dre. I think Dre tough is looking for that young hungry westcoast artist that can blow the game up lyrically, and be another legand. Cube and Rakim can still go, and Em is a superstar for years, but is a gimmick rapper. I think Dre is looking for the next 'Pac. All I got to say is, look for Ras Kass.
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Pardon me, but Em brought rap to the masses. Moreover he's a clever dude. He ain't no "gimmick rapper". Cam'ron's a gimmick rapper, but Em?! Nope. "White America" is a deep & provocative track. I got respect for that dude.
P.S. I don't have any Eminem records.
P.P.S. He'll be a legend one day. For two reasons: good rapper & his skin colour. Let's face it, 70 % of all hiphop records are bought by white middle class kids.
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As far as this topic is concerned I gotta disagree. Aftermath will never be the biggest label. Def Jam was/is/will be the biggest label. Love it or hate it, but that's the way it is.
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Eminem is a good rapper, I'm always the first to remind people that, but him being white does add sales he wouldn't have got usually. Eminem is not 2Pac, or the star Dre is looking for. Lyrically his good, above average.
And never be bigger than Def Jam? That's the whole purpose, Def Jam gots a standard, and why not thrive to be better. That's what it's all about, being number one. And lets see, DMX, Jay-Z and Ja Rule, or Rakim, Eminem and Ice Cube. Not a bad roster on either side. We'll see what the good Doctor can do.
Oh, and I think Dre need Ras Kass, 'cause his the only person in the game right now that can lyrically become a legand. He has untapped into potential, and Dre with him would be deadly, like when 'Pac got to Death Row. Eminem's good, and will sell, but Ras Kass can be a legand, platnum or not, and that's the difference.
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Watch Ras Kass blow after his appearences on 'Oh My God ' and Detox not to forget dre's beats on Golden Chyld , Dre will do for Ras's career what he did for X's and bring him some mainstreem exposure .As far as him blowing up to pac like standards with the same type of potenital not quite , Ras speaks to hip hop purists, he has yet to touch peoples hearts like pac did .But i do agree Ras on the Math and then there really will be nothing after that .Ras Kass on Aftermath would be a logical move for Dre with Tha Row having Crook and claming he's the best it would defintely be a nice battle I guess we can dream and personally in my opinion Crook ain't seeing Ras on any level peep Golden Chyld remix by premo and Ras for confirmation, compare dat to so daamn hood ;)
N Dats Da Real
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Look's like Aftermath still has more to prove....ImO
LL Cool J (vs) Rakim
Jay-Z (vs) Dr Dre
Beanie Sigel (vs) Obie Trice
DmX (vs) Xzibit
Ja Rule (vs) 50 Cent
Foxy Brown (vs) Shaunta
Noreaga (vs) ?
CNN (vs) ?
Wc (vs) Ice Cube
Redman (vs) Eminem
Keith Murray (Vs) ?
ect.......That's not including the rapper's that make up each individual sub-Label (Such as Freeway & Memphis Bleek or Cadillac Tah)
Those names right there can more than hold their own weight with all the names on Aftermath. (Except for Cube....who in my eyes is the greatest thing ever outta anywhere)
I'll buy them all so I could give 2 fuck's....But the label slobbing is getting boring.
Aftermath is good....But the best, not quite yet.
ImO
Peace
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I think Dre is looking for the next 'Pac. All I got to say is, look for Ras Kass.
I'm sure you didn't mean exactly this. No-one will be "the next Pac" and no-one should be the next Pac. Everybody should be the first one of themselves, it's called originality.
'See, I'm the first Hittman, y'all niggaz tryin' to be the next Pac.' -Hittman
'Do You.' -Pepsi commercial
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Look's like Aftermath still has more to prove....ImO
LL Cool J (vs) Rakim
Jay-Z (vs) Dr Dre
Beanie Sigel (vs) Obie Trice
DmX (vs) Xzibit
Ja Rule (vs) 50 Cent
Foxy Brown (vs) Shaunta
Noreaga (vs) ?
CNN (vs) ?
Wc (vs) Ice Cube
Redman (vs) Eminem
Keith Murray (Vs) ?
ect.......That's not including the rapper's that make up each individual sub-Label (Such as Freeway & Memphis Bleek or Cadillac Tah)
Those names right there can more than hold their own weight with all the names on Aftermath. (Except for Cube....who in my eyes is the greatest thing ever outta anywhere)
I'll buy them all so I could give 2 fuck's....But the label slobbing is getting boring.
Aftermath is good....But the best, not quite yet.
ImO
Peace
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LL vs. Rakim is a joke and so is Jay-Z vs. Dre and DMX vs. Xzibit.
50 Cent is for shure betta than Ja Rle who wants to end his career anyway and Redman can lyrics wise and sale wise not step up to Em.
Cube and WC are both great but Cube's stil betta and he's a legend unlike WC.
And u put peoples on that list that ain't al on the same label.
DMX is RR and Jay-Z Roccafella since Aftermath ain't = Interscope neither.
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Cube and WC are both great but Cube's stil betta and he's a legend unlike WC.
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WC has had 3 cds and 1 comin out that i know of. And lets not forget his work with low pro. Trust me he is just as much of a legand as Cube. Hes an underground legand.
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WC has had 3 cds and 1 comin out that i know of. And lets not forget his work with low pro. Trust me he is just as much of a legand as Cube. Hes an underground legand.
Cube's ole school shit is unbeaten in my opinion plus he was member of N.W.A..
He's more of a legend than WC.
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Cube's ole school shit is unbeaten in my opinion plus he was member of N.W.A..
He's more of a legend than WC.
First of all I forgot that WC actully had 4 albums including westside connection.
Ice Cube is a huge legand in rap but I wouldnt say more than WC. Id put them in the same legand catagory. Trust me. WC is a LEGAND!
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Aftermath ain't Def Jam yet. That's a goal. And Ras Kass being the next 'Pac, maybe I was misunderstood, 'cause there never be another 'Pac, but Ras Kass could be the next biggest name in the game. Eminem is huge, but on a hip-hop level, Ras Kass could be bigger. Though 'Pac might have overstated a bit.
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First of all I forgot that WC actully had 4 albums including westside connection.
Ice Cube is a huge legand in rap but I wouldnt say more than WC. Id put them in the same legand catagory. Trust me. WC is a LEGAND!
I don't say shit about that but to me Cube's still a bigger Legend plus he was of course also on the WSC album
7 solo albums
1 greatst hits
2 ep's (Killa At Will) & The C.I.A. EP
2 N.W.A.
1 WSC
perhaps I even forgot something
They ALL dope plus many even classic
I ain't sayin MORE shit's betta than good shit but Cube has MORE and at all BETTA shit, so...
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First of all. You can't really compare Def Jam and Aftermath. Def Jam is a different type of label. It all branches out. You gotta compare like Roc-a-fella to Aftermath. But not The whole Island Def Jam to just Aftermath.
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First of all. You can't really compare Def Jam and Aftermath. Def Jam is a different type of label. It all branches out. You gotta compare like Roc-a-fella to Aftermath. But not The whole Island Def Jam to just Aftermath.
that's what I'm sayin
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First of all. You can't really compare Def Jam and Aftermath. Def Jam is a different type of label. It all branches out. You gotta compare like Roc-a-fella to Aftermath. But not The whole Island Def Jam to just Aftermath.
Isn't Shady Rec. a branch of Aftermath? I guess my comparison is justified. To some extent you're right tho.....
P.S. Murder Inc/Rocafella are bigger than Aftermath :-/ :-/
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That interview sounds fake... what the fuck is he talking about? Eminem is a fucking international superstar, the covers of Teen Magazine and Source Magazine, and oversee's shit, and sold out tours he headlines, and selling millions world over, #1 on TRL.... 2pac never sold a million in one week... this shit doesn't make sense... lol
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I don't say shit about that but to me Cube's still a bigger Legend plus he was of course also on the WSC album
7 solo albums
1 greatst hits
2 ep's (Killa At Will) & The C.I.A. EP
2 N.W.A.
1 WSC
perhaps I even forgot something
They ALL dope plus many even classic
I ain't sayin MORE shit's betta than good shit but Cube has MORE and at all BETTA shit, so...
Dude you dont understand. Im not sayin cubes not a legand, im sayin WC is a legand. Hes just as much as one as cube. ANd In my OPINION WC's shit is better.
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this could be there line up:
dre-his label
rakim-maybee best lyrisict of all time
cube-westcoast legend
eminem-ill emcee biggest rap sales ever
truth hurts- their r&b bitch
could be---
xzibit-basically is on the label but has gone plat and is tight
knoc-great charisma could really blow up
ras kass-dre could do wonders with him he could be the star here
if they had these cats and actually got an album out every 6 months they would be dominate every album plat, and with the production of dre melman its over.............i ain't even a aftermath fan but damn that would be a line up
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Dude you dont understand. Im not sayin cubes not a legand, im sayin WC is a legand. Hes just as much as one as cube. ANd In my OPINION WC's shit is better.
I think U don't understand
I AM sayin Cube is a BIGGER legend than WC, that is what I'm sayin. nothing else.
And I know what u sayin but I disagree
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eminem-ill emcee biggest rap sales ever
24 million short of 'Pac, but fastest selling, yes
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24 million short of 'Pac, but fastest selling, yes
thats what i was sayin but em has only had 3 albums thats less than pac, and some of pacs albums sales have been elevated by his death...............ps he's still better than em though
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2Pac went platinum without having Mtv play the white card (Eminem) with lp's like "Me against the world" & "Stricktly 4 my N.I.G.G.A.Z."......Bottom line.
Pac had 2 hit lp's at a time when Billboard did not reconize hip-hop as much, and this is all pre- Deathrow.
Has Eminem out-sold Vanilla Ice yet?, cause at it's peek "Ice Ice Baby" almost got as much spin's as "My name is"...(Just a question)
Comparing Eminem to Pac is an insult to Pac's legacy....
& those who say his Death elevated Pac's sales, Can swallow the industry's dick that forced fed yall' a white mc.
Em will Never be.....Pac, loved or cared about as much.
Cause Em's content will die out in a couple of year's. Most family's in my area (Cali) cannot associate with the being hated by their mom...getting beat up...Whore girlfriend lyric's, because our mother's love us, and will never kick us out of the house. It's just not me...This is the reason alot of peep's don't listen to Eminem, but also the reason alot of them do. Cause Em writes for his audience (Young white kid's).
I cannot feel close to his pain.....Pac reached more of us with his pain, and struggles, cause this is what we associate with more.
This is all My opinion.
Hatesrats 2oo2
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aftermath is no where near def jam. You also gotta consider how many rappers came up through def jam, how long def jam has been on tha game. russel started his own clothing line. aftermath is up there but they still have stuff to prove. one thing u gotta consider also is how many rappers started off on def jam as no names an made a name for themselves. aftermath, rakim an cube both r legends that made it big else where b4 goin to aftermath
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2Pac went platinum without having Mtv play the white card (Eminem) with lp's like "Me against the world" & "Stricktly 4 my N.I.G.G.A.Z."......Bottom line.
Pac had 2 hit lp's at a time when Billboard did not reconize hip-hop as much, and this is all pre- Deathrow.
Has Eminem out-sold Vanilla Ice yet?, cause at it's peek "Ice Ice Baby" almost got as much spin's as "My name is"...(Just a question)
Comparing Eminem to Pac is an insult to Pac's legacy....
& those who say his Death elevated Pac's sales, Can swallow the industry's dick that forced fed yall' a white mc.
Em will Never be.....Pac, loved or cared about as much.
Cause Em's content will die out in a couple of year's. Most family's in my area (Cali) cannot associate with the being hated by their mom...getting beat up...Whore girlfriend lyric's, because our mother's love us, and will never kick us out of the house. It's just not me...This is the reason alot of peep's don't listen to Eminem, but also the reason alot of them do. Cause Em writes for his audience (Young white kid's).
I cannot feel close to his pain.....Pac reached more of us with his pain, and struggles, cause this is what we associate with more.
This is all My opinion.
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a lot of people listen to rappers talkin about killing an yet they never have killed. a lot of people listen to rap about pimp's but they arent nor do they know any pimps. a lot of people cant relate to comin up poor an in tha ghetto an yet they listen. to me atleast u came off mad racist in that post
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Aftermath bigger than Death Row??.......I dont see that happenin'......yes Dre has shit locked....of course he is one of, if not tha best producer ever.....but how long do u actually think Dre will stay in this game to run Aftermath.....with Death Row Dre, Snoop, Nate, Daz, Kurupt, Pac, they were all in there peak.......Dre is past that now....of course he has Em that is a young talent that will be in tha game for years to come, but wit Dre, Cube, Rakim, they are all in their 30's.....and then catz are throwin' Ras Kass in tha picture.....of course Dre and Ras Kass would blow tha world up but just think about it....Dre has "Detox", Rakim's "Oh My God", Cube's album, then if he signs Ras Kass he will also have his album to concentrate on......damn.....now if Dre "could" drop all that shit and they be classic shit then Death Row Vs. Aftermath would a contest but.......I dont see Dre droppin' all that shit PLUS gettin' Ras Kass in tha mix.......
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2Pac went platinum without having Mtv play the white card (Eminem) with lp's like "Me against the world" & "Stricktly 4 my N.I.G.G.A.Z."......Bottom line.
Pac had 2 hit lp's at a time when Billboard did not reconize hip-hop as much, and this is all pre- Deathrow.
Has Eminem out-sold Vanilla Ice yet?, cause at it's peek "Ice Ice Baby" almost got as much spin's as "My name is"...(Just a question)
Comparing Eminem to Pac is an insult to Pac's legacy....
& those who say his Death elevated Pac's sales, Can swallow the industry's dick that forced fed yall' a white mc.
Em will Never be.....Pac, loved or cared about as much.
Cause Em's content will die out in a couple of year's. Most family's in my area (Cali) cannot associate with the being hated by their mom...getting beat up...Whore girlfriend lyric's, because our mother's love us, and will never kick us out of the house. It's just not me...This is the reason alot of peep's don't listen to Eminem, but also the reason alot of them do. Cause Em writes for his audience (Young white kid's).
I cannot feel close to his pain.....Pac reached more of us with his pain, and struggles, cause this is what we associate with more.
This is all My opinion.
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ah i don't think many people can relate to what eminem is talking about on records (and yes that includes white kids) but thats why i think some people are atracted to em's music it's like this personal battle he has within himself and just puts it all out there................now yes alot of little kids buy ems music but alot of little kids also bought snoops shit when he first came out and even pacs shit alot of pacs shit was bumped by white kids............................now i don't like eminem i never have bought one of his albums but i does have skillz and even without all the mtv exposure he would go plat eminem is one of the best emcees in the game period whether me or you like him at all
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a lot of people listen to rappers talkin about killing an yet they never have killed. a lot of people listen to rap about pimp's but they arent nor do they know any pimps. a lot of people cant relate to comin up poor an in tha ghetto an yet they listen. to me atleast u came off mad racist in that post
I apologise If I affended anyone....
All I was trying to say was that I "personaly" cannot relate to anything Eminem say's in his music. Because I love my parent's to death, And I would die for them in a minute. I could never be a BITCH and talk or wish any harm on the one's who brought me into this world.
His problem's are thing's that I never went through never seen or will ever go through.
I cannot relate to Em.
I love his music....But his content is not geared toward's me.
The killin' and lyric's in music is not the stuff I speak about...lol
It's the personal track's that show the true side of a person.
His love for his daughter is the only Bond that bring's me into his sound....other than that, He's just another good mc I copp when he drop's.
Again if I affended anyone...I'll apologise again.
Those who know me, Know I'm the least racist person, cause I hate everyone, I don't have time to single peep's out....lol
J/K...
OnE
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The difference is 'Pac was multi-platnum of singles like I Get Around, Keep Your Head Up, Dear Mama, and So Many Tears, before white little kids bought his albums. 'Pac is legandary before Death Row, Death Row just made a 2 time platnum person, into a 6 time platnum person over night, then his death pushed it to 10 times platnum. But pre-Death Row, after 3 albums, 'Pac had sold 5 million copies of his LPs, which is good for no MTV, as only Dear Mama played, and little radio play compared to Death Row, and Bad Boy artist at the time. '93 was Death Row, '94 was Bad Boy, '95 was both all over the radio, '96 'Pac debut on Death Row, and sold 6 million in 5 mouths, after finally getting MTV's attention with California Love.
Now about Aftermath compared to Def Jam, no one says Aftermath is better, just that it can be as good. Def Jam has over 17 years of history, with acts like LL Cool J, Public Enemy, the first white act Beastie Boys, Onyx, EPMD, Keith Murrey, Redman, Method Man, Foxy Brown, DMX, Jay-Z, Ja Rule, Ludicriss, and now a 5 Mic Scarface album. Aftermath gots 3 Eminem LPs, a classic Chronic album, and a list of legands ready to drop. But they have to drop first, and new legands must form, like IF Dre gets a Ras Kass, Knocc'Turnal and Xzibit to sign to Aftermath. That's the only way to compare to Def Jam, and that's what Dre wants, to reach that level. 'Cause at that level, Dre knows Aftermath is on top, it's a goal. As for Death Row, 7 hot albums out the gate, and a very hungry young roster. Aftermaths star power is a little better, Cube, Eminem and Rakim vs. 'Pac and Snoop. But as I said, it's the supporting cast that helps Death Row, Tha Dogg Pound, Nate Dogg, Rage, OFTB and Tha Outlawz. Aftermath gots D-12, Obie Tribe, 50 Cents, and past Hittman and King Tee. Aftermath needs to find that young hungry talent to build on. But Aftermath is very star heavy, and should be great to see how many Mics a Westcoast label can pull out the Source.
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I apologise If I affended anyone....
All I was trying to say was that I "personaly" cannot relate to anything Eminem say's in his music. Because I love my parent's to death, And I would die for them in a minute. I could never be a BITCH and talk or wish any harm on the one's who brought me into this world.
His problem's are thing's that I never went through never seen or will ever go through.
I cannot relate to Em.
I love his music....But his content is not geared toward's me.
The killin' and lyric's in music is not the stuff I speak about...lol
It's the personal track's that show the true side of a person.
His love for his daughter is the only Bond that bring's me into his sound....other than that, He's just another good mc I copp when he drop's.
Again if I affended anyone...I'll apologise again.
Those who know me, Know I'm the least racist person, cause I hate everyone, I don't have time to single peep's out....lol
J/K...
OnE
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word i feel ya on that. My favorite eminem songs r where he is droppin shit i can relate 2 like rock bottom, if i had