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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Rizzle on December 14, 2004, 05:25:21 AM
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In the 15th century China had a seafleet way in advance of the european navies, which included the under compartments which provide boyency could be individually flooded (this technoligy wasn't utilised by the west until it was used in titanic hundreds of years later), they had multiple masts and sails which and the actual boat sizes were 5 times larger than the european equivilants (over 500feet long). Had the Chineese utilised their seapower like the european colinonial powers did, i have no doubt that they would have been sucessful in annexing every country in the world under one single empire. However a quick shift in chineese fofeign politics where they decided to adopt an isolationist approach, and subsequently they recalled all their fleets and outlawed multi-mast ships, put end to them being world power for over half a millenium.
Now china are quickly getting closer that stage again where the whole world will be at their grasp, although its different world to what it was back then mostly due to the events of the second world war and the cold war, however i see china becoming the next super power in ourlifetimes on a par with no other.
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go practise your chinese, you'll need it 8)
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Chinese and all Asians for that matter are disciplined intelligent ppl as a whole... whether china will rule or become a super power is unlikely in our lifetime or our kids lifetime... communism is the main thing holding them back...
about a yr ago china did launch a rocket into space, so they are tryin to get recognition again as not just bein a third world country... personally i wouldve spent the 5mil or so on bringin the country back onto its feet....
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the world food program are finishing up all their opporations, and they shall be looking to china to be a contributor from now on, i think the other international institutions will be doing similar things to make them share an international burden to match their politcal clout on the world stage. Their sustained rapid economic growth will ensure them more than able to deal with this and turn their economy into the largest in the world.
ps. china are currently planning a trip to the moan last i heard.
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about a yr ago china did launch a rocket into space, so they are tryin to get recognition again as not just bein a third world country... personally i wouldve spent the 5mil or so on bringin the country back onto its feet....
That's so true... They should get their own internal problems such as human rights solved first. I think that's the reason why China isn't ready to "rule the world" yet. I don't know about the future though, and when you look at the past, it's been done before by people who shit on human rights :(
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China is huge... thats why Bush had to make a big apology to them not long ago. they are now the only power any where near that of the Americans.
and yeah.. they're going to the Moon soon. if they do it, and start working on Mars. The US will want to get there first.. so expect Nasa to start getting Mars funding soon.. this has already been kinda promised hasnt it?
at least they seem to be better relating to people of late than in the past.
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No.
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car to elaborate? comments like that are worth fuck all
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The west is falling, eventually the Chinese will overtake us...it'l take another 2 generations or so tho. read Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations and the remaking of world order its a good read, had to for our poli sci class
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In the 15th century China had a seafleet way in advance of the european navies, which included the under compartments which provide boyency could be individually flooded (this technoligy wasn't utilised by the west until it was used in titanic hundreds of years later), they had multiple masts and sails which and the actual boat sizes were 5 times larger than the european equivilants (over 500feet long). Had the Chineese utilised their seapower like the european colinonial powers did, i have no doubt that they would have been sucessful in annexing every country in the world under one single empire. However a quick shift in chineese fofeign politics where they decided to adopt an isolationist approach, and subsequently they recalled all their fleets and outlawed multi-mast ships, put end to them being world power for over half a millenium.
Now china are quickly getting closer that stage again where the whole world will be at their grasp, although its different world to what it was back then mostly due to the events of the second world war and the cold war, however i see china becoming the next super power in ourlifetimes on a par with no other.
Will China become the world's next superpower? It's not very likely.
As Harry Harding of George Washington University maintains, "China is a big and important country, but not one that will be in the top tier of superpower status any time soon." Traditionally, a superpower not only must have its economic size and diplomatic influence, but also an ability to project large military force against opposition anywhere in the world and a strong desire to lead. Moreover, a real superpower must also have "soft power" -- ideas and values that other peoples can and will absorb.
With the world's largest population and an economy growing at 9 to 10 percent per year, China clearly will have a measure of economic power. However, China's ability to project military force is probably at least 20 years behind where the U.S. is today. Moreover, as its old revolutionary ambitions have evaporated, China now is in a real "belief crisis." China has neither a popular culture nor "soft power," which are necessary for a superpower.
http://www.coshoctontribune.com/news/stories/20031202/opinion/749558.html
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Moreover, a real superpower must also have "soft power" -- ideas and values that other peoples can and will absorb.
Oh, you mean like the U.S., and how the Middle East is absorbing our ideas and values.... LOL...
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More then you think I live in Turkey and it is funny how the people try and dress and act like Americans now I realize the further down south from Turkey that this isnt the case, for now, it isnt. From McDonalds, Coca-Cola to MTV, American cinema, American clothing, and electronics to name some. American culture is more powerful than you think. You gotta see some of these stupid bitches in the turkish clubs tryin to look like bitches they see on MTV. American culture is very powerful.
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More then you think I live in Turkey and it is funny how the people try and dress and act like Americans now I realize the further down south from Turkey that this isnt the case, for now, it isnt. From McDonalds, Coca-Cola to MTV, American cinema, American clothing, and electronics to name some. American culture is more powerful than you think. You gotta see some of these stupid bitches in the turkish clubs tryin to look like bitches they see on MTV. American culture is very powerful.
Yeah, I know about Turkey, but I'm more specifically referring to some of the Arab countries plus Iran. Plus, pop-culture and food aren't "values".
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car to elaborate? comments like that are worth fuck all
You asked a question, I answered it. You asked me if I believed China was destined to rule the world since the beginning of time, I said no. I don't believe that.
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Yeah, I know about Turkey, but I'm more specifically referring to some of the Arab countries plus Iran.
Yeah Arabs are a tough bunch to assimilate.. personally I admire that about them. Most of the world has absorbed many parts of American culture but not the Arabs.
Plus, pop-culture and food aren't "values".
no but they are ideas.
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china is only a threat to asia and europe... we'll all be dead long before china sets a foot on american soil
so no, our great great great great grandchildren won't even see china as the super power
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World Powers always fall. Always. America will fall too, eventually. And China is the country that is most likely to replace America as the world's greatest Superpower.
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The Chinese have been the village hoes of Asia for the last 100 years.
Super power talk is way too early.
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The Chinese have been the village hoes of Asia for the last 100 years.
Super power talk is way too early.
lol agreed
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think how much has changed in the last 100 years, how many times the power shifted, or how technoligy has advanced, I stand firm on my argument that china will be the next super power within my lifetime however america is likely to go to war to keep its status/influence. alot will change in the next 50 years so, and i predict world war 3 will be over natural resources, considering the souring demand for it which will only increase and the reserves will only decrease.
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china is only a threat to asia and europe... we'll all be dead long before china sets a foot on american soil
If it were to become a superpower, it doesn't necessarily mean that China would attack every fuckin' country like the U.S. is doing... maybe China doesn't even want to set foot on American soil... it's the U.S. that wants to mingle in every country's politics/economy
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well, if China becomes a super power, they will be cool with Canada..seeing how BC is fuckin full of chinese and asians in general ;D
But i don't see it happening ;)
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think how much has changed in the last 100 years, how many times the power shifted, or how technoligy has advanced, I stand firm on my argument that china will be the next super power within my lifetime however america is likely to go to war to keep its status/influence. alot will change in the next 50 years so, and i predict world war 3 will be over natural resources, considering the souring demand for it which will only increase and the reserves will only decrease.
You rooting for China? Have some self pride dude... lol Do you hate the US so much that you wish for any change?
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Hows he rooting for China ? Hes just commenting on a hypothetical outcome
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china is only a threat to asia and europe... we'll all be dead long before china sets a foot on american soil
If it were to become a superpower, it doesn't necessarily mean that China would attack every fuckin' country like the U.S. is doing... maybe China doesn't even want to set foot on American soil... it's the U.S. that wants to mingle in every country's politics/economy
the very few ways a super power falls is through violence or shortage of money.... america won't lose to violence and they will use violence to get money... so there's no woryying about china
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World Powers always fall. Always. America will fall too, eventually. And China is the country that is most likely to replace America as the world's greatest Superpower.
cosign. We're a long way off tho.
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no china will not rule the world, athough they will make everything in the world
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I've read somewhere that in a couple of decades, China and India might just become super powers. This doesn't mean they'll rule the world though.
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i didnt realise that ruling the world was on the agenda of normal ppl...