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Title: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 20, 2004, 12:50:43 PM
I'ma keep my questions simple.

I was talkin to a couple of cats and they was sayin how Alcohol is condemned in Christianity etc. But how is that when Jesus and his people use to sip wine?

They say you are unconcious in a deep sleep till judgement day when you die. Now, I been to many funerals in my day and every pastor or whoever always said shit like "this man is in a better place now", "he in a better place lookin down on us", or "he's in heaven now" etc etc. Now how can this be when that man's spirit is in a deep sleep? Why are we set to believe all our folks that passed away are looking down on us, when technically, they are not. 

Now, I dunno who has heard of the Seventh-Day Adventist church, but they go to church on Saturdays. They believe after the six days of Creation, the lord rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of creation etc etc. I kno folks that are part of that and believe it or not, they criticize all other christians based on going to church on Sundays and look down on them for celebrating christmas. They go exactly with what the bible says and in most ways, they are correct. Why couldn't other Christians go with the bible when they 1st started? Why is there all this seperation even WITHIN the same religion?











Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Jimmy Cash2120 on December 20, 2004, 01:01:14 PM
I was talkin to a couple of cats and they was sayin how Alcohol is condemned in Christianity etc. But how is that when Jesus and his people use to sip wine?

i read that the last supper was a big party with drinkin and music and partying
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Rampant on December 20, 2004, 01:53:34 PM
drinking Alcohol isnt wrong from a christians point of view. What is wrong is when you drink it to the point that your are drunk.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 20, 2004, 02:49:42 PM
^right, dats what I've figured.... but not all Christians believe that. Some don't even believe Jesus drank. But fact is, his 1st miracle was turning water into wine for his people. U mean to tell me non of his people got drunk?
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Rampant on December 20, 2004, 03:06:03 PM
^right, dats what I've figured.... but not all Christians believe that. Some don't even believe Jesus drank. But fact is, his 1st miracle was turning water into wine for his people. U mean to tell me non of his people got drunk?
Well I think the idea of drinking differs from christian to christian. I've met many who believe drinking is wrong, but the fact is (as you've stated) Jesus turned water into wine. But the overall belief on drinking is, its not wrong, unless you drink to the point that you cant be yourself (drunk). As for the disciples and everyone else getting drunk, i do not know because it doesnt say in the Bible if they did or not.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: mauzip on December 20, 2004, 03:14:59 PM
do you think i can turn water into wine? or better, heineken?
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Jimmy Cash2120 on December 20, 2004, 03:20:13 PM
do you think i can turn water into whine? or better, heineken?

i thought you drank zima
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: mauzip on December 20, 2004, 03:35:52 PM
what's that?
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Jimmy Cash2120 on December 20, 2004, 03:44:17 PM
a super cool beverage
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: M Dogg™ on December 20, 2004, 05:14:58 PM
In terms of alcohol, yeah you can drink as long as you don't get drunk. Indulging in anything, food, wine, women, anything at all is a sin. Christians are suppose to stay humble, and keep things at a respectable level. Getting drunk, eating too much, showing vanity, that's all a sin.

Now when we say the person is looking down on us after they die, Christians are suppose to believe that we are asleep until the last day when God judges the living and the dead. Our souls are to be awaken, and we are judged. I think the dead looking down on us is more of something to say to help deal with the pain of losing a lost one. Who knows though, with all the different branches of Christianity, who knows what people are believing now-a-days.

Now with the 7th Day Adventist, there was a really fine girl, actually girls, they are sisters both my age, that I was going to talk to, either one was fine, but they're beliefs just don't agree with me at all. I am Catholic, which is the original Christian church. It wasn't until 15something that other sets of Christianity formed in protest of the Catholic church. From Catholic to 7th Day Adventist, the differences come because at onetime the Catholic church was the most corrupted church in the world. The Pope was the most politically powerful man in Europe, the church was giving "forgiveness" to the rich for a small price that poor people could not afford, and many people gave at least a daughter to the church as a nun, usually the ugly one that couldn't be married off, because the Catholic church practice that if you give a child to the church as a priest of nun that you'll go to heaven. Many Christians still believed in God, and Jesus, but could not agree with all the corruption in the church. So Martin Luther lead a split of the church with the modern day Lutherans. In England King Henry VIII started the church of England when the Catholic church would not grant him a divorce, and from there the protestation verse Catholic battles have been going on ever since, and in the United States the Morons, I mean Mormons formed the Mormon church that came from the believe that Jesus left his word in the United States also, and that their Bible, the book of Mormons completes the Bible. Since then the Catholic church has also done it's part to try and straighten it's wrongs with Vatican II, and Popes have been liberal in their beliefs, like telling preist to stay out of political matters in their countries, and supporting multi-culturalism within the Catholic church. Of course even though the church has changed for the better in the last 500 years, most people stick to their own sets of Christianity, and to this day talk about how the Catholics ruined Christianity and ow Catholics themselves are mislead. Trust me, I've been to other churches, and I have yet to hear a sermon that didn't include bashing those old school Catholics. It's mainly to keep people at their church, on all sides, since religion is a great way to make money.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: -VZA- on December 20, 2004, 07:34:47 PM
if you think about it... anything can become a sin if it is done in excess.  eating isn't a sin but if you do it too much, you're performing gluttony.  same thing goes for drinking.  it isn't known whether or not Jesus drank because it doesn't say he did and it doesn't say he didn't.  he did turn water into wine but that doesn't mean that he had some.  maybe this shows that he isn't against it but then again he isn't for it either.

for the death thing... there are many different denominations of Christianity.  some christians believe in a place called purgatory and that's what you described.  if you attend a catholic funeral, you're not likely to hear the priest say that the person is in a better place.  other denominations of Christianity don't believe in purgatory so they don't contradict their beliefs when they make that statement.

the devil's greatest weapon is confusion.  there's a simple saying "divide and conquer."  by causing confusion, it divided the Christians and caused them to fight amongst themselves.  so instead of focusing on the real enemy, a lot of time we Christians fight with each other.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Trauma-san on December 20, 2004, 09:45:59 PM
I don't understand why you would ask the questions in the first place, you're not Christian, and you're not interested in becoming Christian.  I don't really think it's appropriate to discuss it with you in that light, because I'm just reducing myself to being an apologist.  Christianity, like all other religions, is faith based; there is no proof the religion is 'correct' or however you want to apply that.  Since you don't want to believe it, no amount of explaining about Christianity I do will quench your thirst for answers about the religion, because they cannot all be answered without eventually requiring you to take a leap of faith, which you are not prepared or willing to do.

Peace~
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 21, 2004, 01:28:25 AM
^It's funny how you criticize people about the same thing you do, assume.

Have you ever even asked me what religion I believe in? No, so do not assume no bullshit. U dunno nothin about me, except my name and how I do something in the music field. And who the fuc are you to tell me what's appropriate and what isn't? Some of you muthafucaz act like being part of a religion is like being part of a gang. Ure no different than infinite. At least infinite answers and tries 2 make his religion look good. I have every right to ask what I want when I want, even if I don't believe in it. Just because you defend Muslims, Christians or anythone else, it doesn't mean you're part of them. This is where the whole gang mentality comes in again. On the streets, if 1 of the homies gets into some shit, U back em up no matter what, don't matter who's right or wrong. Humans somehow tend to apply that to religion too, Christians always have something to say, wrong or right, it doesn't matter, they will back their shit up regardless. Muslims too. That shouldn't be the case though. You have to have a balanced state of mind. Don't trip about what I believe in, it's irrelevant, ure nobody 2 me, so don't worry about it. But for your information, I do go to church every other Sunday.











Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on December 21, 2004, 05:42:25 AM


Now, I dunno who has heard of the Seventh-Day Adventist church, but they go to church on Saturdays. They believe after the six days of Creation, the lord rested on the seventh day


It says in the Bible that God "rested".  From the jump, when you read that in the Bible, you know something ain't right.

Right there, you know that "sleeping" can not be an attribute of God, and this book must have fell to corruption by the Church (Constatine, Paul, and other people who changed the true teachings of Jesus).  If God is resting, then who is maintaining and sustaining the Universe?

In the Qu'ran, God (Allah) is put in his proper postion, and his attributes are coherent and logical.  Here's the difference of how God is described in the Noble Qu'ran...

Surah 2.Al-Baqara (The Cow), verse 255

"Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep.[/i] His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitted? He knoweth what (appeared to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory)."

*****Disclaimer*******

.....no disrespect to the Christians, especially MDogg I don't want to be disrespectful to him cause he's always respectful to me.  But I should be able to post my position just like everyone else.


Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Trauma-san on December 21, 2004, 07:09:20 AM
^ You can post whatever you want, and Rod, If I answer your questions, you'll just have more.  You're not asking with an inquisitive nature, you're asking with an intent on showing problems in the religion, which you JUST BACKED UP with your last reply.  You're Celophane. 
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 21, 2004, 10:13:57 AM
If there is any problems with the religion, it's people like you who DON'T answer. And the ones who do, really don't make sense. It's all faith as they say, it doesn't matter if it makes sense. That makes people turn on the religion, infinite is a prime example of this.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: M Dogg™ on December 21, 2004, 12:15:26 PM


Now, I dunno who has heard of the Seventh-Day Adventist church, but they go to church on Saturdays. They believe after the six days of Creation, the lord rested on the seventh day


It says in the Bible that God "rested".  From the jump, when you read that in the Bible, you know something ain't right.

Right there, you know that "sleeping" can not be an attribute of God, and this book must have fell to corruption by the Church (Constatine, Paul, and other people who changed the true teachings of Jesus).  If God is resting, then who is maintaining and sustaining the Universe?

In the Qu'ran, God (Allah) is put in his proper postion, and his attributes are coherent and logical.  Here's the difference of how God is described in the Noble Qu'ran...

Surah 2.Al-Baqara (The Cow), verse 255

"Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep.[/i] His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitted? He knoweth what (appeared to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory)."

*****Disclaimer*******

.....no disrespect to the Christians, especially MDogg I don't want to be disrespectful to him cause he's always respectful to me.  But I should be able to post my position just like everyone else.




no disrespect taken. You believe in one religion and I believe in another. In the end we are all to be human brothers and sisters. I know the Bible preaches to love your neighbors, not bomb them 'cause they ain't Christians. I try to apply that my life. So we are all good, I actually am trying to read the Qu'ran, and next the Book of Mormon, trying to study each point of view. I will always be Catholic, and soon I want to make it official. (I've never been confermed. But it always pays to know about each different religion.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: -VZA- on December 21, 2004, 07:14:46 PM
so it says God rested... how do you come to the conclusion that the universe is supposed to fall apart if He rests?

think about it... if you create a program and you run it... what else is there to do but sit back and watch the end result?  well, you might argue "what if there's something wrong with the program, shouldn't you step in and fix it?"

God created this program called the universe and since it was created by God, do you think God would create a program with flaws in it?  everything in this universe is there for a reason.  just because YOU feel it's messed up or it could be better if this had happened instead of that doesn't make it so.  just trust that God has created a plan from start to finish before he even set that plan into motion.  so basically, yeah... after God created the laws, the heavens, and the earth... he rested.

i don't know your history but if you've ever worked a job then you probably know that the man upstairs probably does the least amount of work and does a lot of resting.  does the company fall apart if he rests?  not at all... not as long as his initial plan is going according to how he set it up in the first place.  now since God created the plans for the universe and the elements of the universe have no choice but to act as God said they must... how could things just fall apart?

i'll give you a chance to respond before i go any further.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Trauma-san on December 21, 2004, 10:03:50 PM
If there is any problems with the religion, it's people like you who DON'T answer. And the ones who do, really don't make sense. It's all faith as they say, it doesn't matter if it makes sense. That makes people turn on the religion, infinite is a prime example of this.

^ And again you prove my point... you obviously have preconcieved notions and opinions of the religion, you don't inquire because you want to learn, you inquire because you want to prove you're right, and christians are wrong. 
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Ant on December 21, 2004, 11:09:30 PM
If there is any problems with the religion, it's people like you who DON'T answer. And the ones who do, really don't make sense. It's all faith as they say, it doesn't matter if it makes sense. That makes people turn on the religion, infinite is a prime example of this.

^ And again you prove my point... you obviously have preconcieved notions and opinions of the religion, you don't inquire because you want to learn, you inquire because you want to prove you're right, and christians are wrong. 

someone has to be wrong when you have christians, jews, muslims, buddhists, atheists, and so on.  Not to mention the fact that christianity interprets its own religion in a thousand different ways depending upon the sect you belong to, and interprets its religion differently within your particular sect you belong too depending on your church.  For example, I'm catholic and we have Jesuit Catholics, Franciscan Catholics, and so on.  And Protestants disagree with catholics on a wealth of issues.  I agree its fair to say religion is faith based, but your faith is in Jesus Christ.  Faith doesn't mean contradictions don't exist.  At least infinite tried to understand his religion.  Jesus Christ says love thy neighbor, and you say you support the deaths of thousands of innocent iraqis, and the torture of detainees.  Christains went on a crusade against Muslims.  And Christianity played a large part in the rise of Nazism and the extermination of the Jews.  You use religion as a shield to hide your ignorance, and justify your evils. 
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 22, 2004, 12:14:55 AM
^ And again you prove my point... you obviously have preconcieved notions and opinions of the religion, you don't inquire because you want to learn, you inquire because you want to prove you're right, and christians are wrong. 


WTF are you talkin about? You're most definitely wrong, why so paranoid like I'm against Christianity? is it because I criticize some issues such as the post before me? I do that no matter what religion. I say it how I see it. And I usually base everything around logic, so there's no way to get around it. I'm juss asking simple questions wondering if any Christians could shed light on the issue, and as you can see, there are different view points even in the same religion. Why is that? How is everyone so seperated in the same religion? No one can answer my questions decisively, it's always "oh, well catholics do this, mormons believe that, 7th day folks say this blah blah".
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Don Jacob on December 22, 2004, 01:47:43 AM
1st thing

Christianity does NOT condemn the consumpsion of alcohol .....infact we drink it every week in church, whoever sat down and told you "drinking is bad" is full of shit and deserves to get raped by Satan.


2nd thing


NO WHERE IN the bible did it say that god went to sleep! it said he rested which means he just stopped creating. don't come in here misinterpreting the bible to put your "Allah" above mine and other people's god.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Don Jacob on December 22, 2004, 01:51:09 AM
oh yeah and to add to the second thought.....the book of Genesis and the entire Old Testiment is no way a corruption of the teachings of Jesus........Jesus has nothing to do with the Old Testiment, that shit was written and taught well before he was born
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Shallow on December 22, 2004, 09:46:27 AM
^ And again you prove my point... you obviously have preconceived notions and opinions of the religion, you don't inquire because you want to learn, you inquire because you want to prove you're right, and Christians are wrong. 


WT are you talking about? You're most definitely wrong, why so paranoid like I'm against Christianity? is it because I criticize some issues such as the post before me? I do that no matter what religion. I say it how I see it. And I usually base everything around logic, so there's no way to get around it. I'm USS asking simple questions wondering if any Christians could shed light on the issue, and as you can see, there are different view points even in the same religion. Why is that? How is everyone so separated in the same religion? No one can answer my questions decisively, it's always "oh, well catholics do this, Mormons believe that, 7th day folks say this blah blah".


The reason there are differences in the same religion is because different groups interpret different in different ways. Some groups like the Catholics would add their own aspects to the religion and others revolting against those man made additions. The sabbath is was and always will be on Saturday. No educated Christian can dispute that. Christians go to on Sunday because Jesus resurrected on Sunday. They don't pay as much attention to Saturday because Jesus didn't. He felt if good works need to be done then no matter what day it was they should be done. This was brought up when he heeled a man on the sabbath and the pharisees called it blasphemy. He explained to why he did it. The Christian churches, all of them, go much further than the teachings of Jesus, and I am convinced he would want nothing to do with almost all of them due to their hypocritical nature. St. Paul, Saul, added a lot to what became the church, and who knows how much he just made up himself.

Every religion has differences with in them. Islam, Hindu, Judaism, etc. Don't think it's only Christianity.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 22, 2004, 10:49:52 AM
NO WHERE IN the bible did it say that god went to sleep! it said he rested which means he just stopped creating. don't come in here misinterpreting the bible to put your "Allah" above mine and other people's god.


I never said god went to sleep U fucin moron....READ my questions again, I didn't misinterpret the bible at all....and I never said my god is "allah".

Good shit on that post Shallow. That's what I wanted, a real muthafuca to break it down. All these sissy boys do is get paranoid and try to compete like it's a game. Ofcourse every religion does have differences in them, but Christianity shouldn't.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 22, 2004, 11:02:20 AM
The Christian churches, all of them, go much further than the teachings of Jesus, and I am convinced he would want nothing to do with almost all of them due to their hypocritical nature.


Ofcourse. Just like how Allah wouldn't nothing to do with these so-called muslims. Even in the Qu'ran it says they will meet with Jesus on judgement day.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 22, 2004, 03:25:31 PM
@SHALLOW....I emailed 1 of my homegurls from around the way about the Saturday/Sunday issue and this is what she had to say.




I'm sure that you would agree, that as Christians,  Jesus is our
example. It is true that he was resurrected on Sunday, but He rested on
the Sabbath from the time of creation when He made "that" day holy.
Even while He was is the grave He showed respect for the Sabbath day by
resting on it. To say that "Jesus didn't pay any attention to the
Sabbath" is inaccurate when He himself kept it holy. It is true that He
believed that it is good to "do well" (good things) on the Sabbath Day
as well as any other. This does not mean that He did "pay any attention
to it." The scripture tells us that "God made the Sabbath for man, not
man for the Sabbath." Jewish leaders of that time made the Sabbath a
burned to people by enforcing specific rules and regulations on how it
should be kept. For example; one could not travel any more than a
certain amount of miles or carry a mat or objects as it would be
considered "working." The Pharisees in their extreme thinking and
inpure motives of power, lost sight of the purpose of the Sabbath. God
created to Sabbath as a day that is set aside to reflect upon Him, his
creation, and family without any outside interruption of the work week.
He is our creator and He made us. He knows what we need and that is why
He set aside this specific day. The reason why many Christians now  go
to church on Sunday is because the Catholic Church has changed the day
of worship from Saturday to Sunday. They boldly admit  to making this
change ( I can give you further information from their own documents.)
Nevertheless, regardless of who's idea it was to change the day of
worship from Saturday to Sunday is irrelevant. The point is that God
asked that we worship him on the Sabbath/Saturday and who are we to
change it? That is not our place! We will each be responsible for the
turth that we know and follow regardless of what man tells us to do we
are follow what God tells us to do. I encourage you to read and study
for yourself!
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Shallow on December 24, 2004, 12:08:28 AM
I didn't mean to say that Jesus didn't pay attention to the Sabbath like it was worthless. He did state that it is wrong to with hold from doing good works on the Sabbath for those in need. I guess the church took it a step further. As far as I know the day of worship was Sunday for Christians before well before the Catholic church came into existence. The Greek Orthodox church predates the Catholic church and they worshiped and worship on Sunday. I'm sure what the the whole Sabbath means personally. Many historians have argued what "day" actually means. The ancient Hebrew word would imply day as in era. Therefore God would have made the world in 7 eras, and on or in the 7th era he rested. Christian Scientists quickly adopted this theory and believe it to be true. Does this mean we are in the 7th era now and he is resting, or are we in the 6th, the day of man? I really don't have an answer. Maybe we are in the day of man and heaven is the Sabbath where we rest with God. Maybe we are in the Sabbath now and God is resting, which may explain the evil. Who knows? What I do know is that Jesus placed the virtues of his teachings far above the rituals and traditions. As long as your heart is in the right place you should have nothing to worry about. That's how I live and I hope it's good enough for the big guy himself. I can't choose a religion like Christianity and claim it to be definite the way the church claims it to be with out going against the faith itself. If I believe that this is the right and only way then I would be calling all the others wrong and inferior and that is wrong. Jesus never asked for a special day of prayer or for an organized church.

I've yet to read any quote of Jesus that fails to stand up today or ever come across as wrong. I've certainly read that in the Torah, and Jesus himself brought that up. Judaism and Islam seem to condone certain aspects of human error, such as violence or judgment. Jesus forgave human error but would never try and make it less wrong than they were. He just wanted you to repent and try not to do it again. I guess that's why I stayed with Christianity when I went on my spiritual journey a few years ago and didn't change religions. This doesn't mean I think I'm right for being Christian and others are wrong are wrong for not being Christian. It just means Christianity suited me so I stuck with it.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Don Jacob on December 26, 2004, 03:10:34 AM
NO WHERE IN the bible did it say that god went to sleep! it said he rested which means he just stopped creating. don't come in here misinterpreting the bible to put your "Allah" above mine and other people's god.


I never said god went to sleep U fucin moron....READ my questions again, I didn't misinterpret the bible at all....and I never said my god is "allah".


actually that second point was aimed toward "entertainment is dead" or whatever the fuck that jabroni's name is you fuCKing retard....maybe you should read what the fuCK i'm fucking writing about and read the whole fucking mother fuckin' post before you fuckin go out and fuckin call me a fuckin moron....mother fucker.............and and please quit trying to act like your some crip by spelling all your ck's with cc's......
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on December 26, 2004, 11:48:47 PM
we havent had a Jake/Rod spar in a while
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 27, 2004, 12:51:01 AM
lmao....this cat the biggest square, went thru and made all them CK's bold. ahahaha... I dunno what you're trying to prove baker boy....I ain't never claimed to be no crip. I roll wit the MOB bitch, East Bruno Trench Side. Investigate me. But then again, I'll snap my fingers and have my crip homies scrape your shit bitch. You know nothing about me. 

But anyway, that's all irrelevant. Bac to the topic, let's not let a PMSing bitch get in the way of what I'm tryin 2 figure out here, cuzz I'm truely confused about this issue. Man if I asked a question about Islam, Tech, Infinite and erryone would be on it immediately, no questions asked. But y'all lames is juss bullshittin.

Good shit Shallow, although U makin me go in circles wit everything.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: authentic on December 27, 2004, 02:14:50 AM
zilla, Jesus didnt turn water to wine so he could get drunk easier. It supports the fact that God Works Miracles. Which explains how Jesus walked on water and so on. Getting drunk is basically an addiction and Bible basically tells us not to worship or addict to other things that dont make us better people. I'll finish explaining it someo ther day in person or something
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: mauzip on December 27, 2004, 06:21:33 AM
It supports the fact that God Works Miracles. Which explains how Jesus walked on water and so on.

rofl
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Don Jacob on December 28, 2004, 03:00:38 AM
lmao....this cat the biggest square, went thru and made all them CK's bold. ahahaha... I dunno what you're trying to prove baker boy....I ain't never claimed to be no crip. I roll wit the MOB bitch, East Bruno Trench Side. Investigate me. But then again, I'll snap my fingers and have my crip homies scrape your shit bitch. You know nothing about me. 

But anyway, that's all irrelevant. Bac to the topic, let's not let a PMSing bitch get in the way of what I'm tryin 2 figure out here, cuzz I'm truely confused about this issue. Man if I asked a question about Islam, Tech, Infinite and erryone would be on it immediately, no questions asked. But y'all lames is juss bullshittin.



lol this fool ...trying to act like the godfather "i'll snap my fingers and have my crip homies scrape your shit bitch" wow lol......right there that tells me what kind  of 'man' you are, i don't know how they do things up there in Gay Fransico but down here when we got a problem we handle that shit one on one. now if you need back up then that's on you, but i'll be straight up with you i ai't afraid of no crip or no crip wanna be lol. Don't call me a lame then come in here and start talking some crip shit " y'all lames be buggin straight bitch style loc, lemme get bacc to the topic cuz these marks be wacc" ......i don't care if your ass is a crip or some crip ass foos let you get them drinks for them (haha spider from goodfellas) don't fuCKing run up on me when i wasn't even talking to your wanna be ass in the first place.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 28, 2004, 11:33:51 AM
RUN up on you? on the internet? Spider from Goodfellas? I wouldn't take you on 1 on 1? I'd need back up? lmaoooo....oh mann so much you know, hit me if u ever come here for vacation wit your daddy bitch, we don't need 2 take lil internet shit 2 the streets, don't need no "crips" <<< ure favorite word that yur favorite rappers be using..... ill take you to our boxing gym and show you what a real 1 on 1 is, I got 500 on it !! and don't even try 2 act like you didn't start this 1st on this thread. I'll give you something to be scared of superman.


@AMIR.....so you mean to tell me Jesus did it just to prove he can do miracles? Why didn't he turn water into juice or milk or somethin? Why did the people want wine so much? I'm not saying Jesus did it so erryone could get drunk, but c'mon, wine is 13% alcohol usually, you know some of em had 2 have been drinkin a lil more than the ordinary and partied etc. My question wasn't about gettin drunk, it was about alcohol in general, because some of the OGz at the churches act like it's the biggest sin to even look at an alcohol bottle lmao
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: M Dogg™ on December 28, 2004, 11:50:47 AM
you guys forget the last meal, wine was served. Wine is not bad, and alcohol is not bad. Just don't get drunk. Indulging in anything is a sin. Eating too much, drinking too much, being greedy. If you can't handle alcohol without abusing it, don't drink it, but it's not a sin to drink.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: 7even on December 28, 2004, 11:52:11 AM
I got wine at my confirmation (in church), which was when I was 14, together with a hostile.. blood and flesh of Christ, n shit, was what I was told.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on January 03, 2005, 03:13:31 PM



Ofcourse. Just like how Allah wouldn't nothing to do with these so-called muslims. Even in the Qu'ran it says they will meet with Jesus on judgement day.

No, the Qu'ran doesn't say that. 

Anyone can look it up, they have plenty of Qu'ran search web pages where anyone can type in a key word on Qu'ran search.  You won't find it.  Peace.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: acbaylove on January 03, 2005, 10:30:09 PM
What some of you people dont understand is that the Old Testament is a book written more than 2000 years ago (long time before Jesus was born, actually centuries and centuries before..). It's not important what is written in it, it's important the message. Whatever religion you follow, if its main goal is to love people and to make peace, that's a good one. Then who gives a fuck if it's God or Allah, if you can drink or not, if you can smoke or not. We're talking about "nothing". We didnt see Jesus. We didnt see Maometto. We didnt see Buddah. We just keep the faith in something they told us. But once again if you feel good and if your religion teaches you to be a good man, then there's a point having one.
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Don Jacob on January 05, 2005, 12:15:05 AM
RUN up on you? on the internet? Spider from Goodfellas? I wouldn't take you on 1 on 1? I'd need back up? lmaoooo....oh mann so much you know, hit me if u ever come here for vacation wit your daddy bitch, we don't need 2 take lil internet shit 2 the streets, don't need no "crips" <<< ure favorite word that yur favorite rappers be using..... ill take you to our boxing gym and show you what a real 1 on 1 is, I got 500 on it !! and don't even try 2 act like you didn't start this 1st on this thread. I'll give you something to be scared of superman.


@AMIR.....so you mean to tell me Jesus did it just to prove he can do miracles? Why didn't he turn water into juice or milk or somethin? Why did the people want wine so much? I'm not saying Jesus did it so erryone could get drunk, but c'mon, wine is 13% alcohol usually, you know some of em had 2 have been drinkin a lil more than the ordinary and partied etc. My question wasn't about gettin drunk, it was about alcohol in general, because some of the OGz at the churches act like it's the biggest sin to even look at an alcohol bottle lmao


first and foremost don't try to start beef with me on the internet WHEN I WASN"T even talking to your ass in the first place, step down and apologize like a good boy spider. the second of all , the fact that your're jumping to violence with some one on the net tells me another thing about you ....you're insecure, if i'm ever in your general drowzy cold, foggy, gay, expensive, homeless ridden neck of the woods it'll purely be to catch  a raider game ........if i'm ever in the bay i'll let you know,i'll even be there in red and black with my red mustang and my new jordan's on lol, i got a platnum credit card saying you don't really want to do anything, if you're getting this mad over something wasn't even aimed at you, i feel sorry for you. and i could careless about what boxing gym your at, i could care less if you can beat my ass, i ain't no ufc or nothin but one things for sure i get my hits in .......anyways


i don't know for sure why jesus turned water into wine, but from an educated guess i think he did it because wine was more of a luxury back then.....if he turned it into milk, yeah it still woulda been a great miracle, if he turned water into apple juice that would be fucking awesome, but wine......that was be even more incredible.......wine wasn't/isn't created over night, wine wasn't/isn't cheap. wine was the drink of the kings and rich aswell, jesus roamed with a bunch of poor nobodies and preached to them aswell, and what better way to host than to treat your followers like vips and kings. whatever og christians you're talkin to or observing are full of shit or somethin, we drink wine in church EVERY sunday, everyone from kids to the elderly gets a sip at communian
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Don Jacob on January 05, 2005, 12:17:26 AM
you guys forget the last meal, wine was served. Wine is not bad, and alcohol is not bad. Just don't get drunk. Indulging in anything is a sin. Eating too much, drinking too much, being greedy. If you can't handle alcohol without abusing it, don't drink it, but it's not a sin to drink.

not really ....the last meal wasn't this food and drinking fest
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: Miss NWA Whoorider on January 05, 2005, 09:59:39 AM
okay here we go
every religion has its right points and wrong points,
that is why they are down here on this earth'

rod and mauzip i can tell you one thing though and it s in the bible

if you go to a church and they teach the wrong teaching you can end up in hell along with the congregation and the preacher

now that should make all of you think...........

how do you know that the preacher is actually preaching the right thing unless you test him........

never be scared to ask questions,rod and Mau scared is not Godly
Title: Re: A few questions about Christianity.
Post by: DAYUM on January 06, 2005, 12:00:58 AM
okay here we go
every religion has its right points and wrong points,
that is why they are down here on this earth'

rod and mauzip i can tell you one thing though and it s in the bible

if you go to a church and they teach the wrong teaching you can end up in hell along with the congregation and the preacher

now that should make all of you think...........

how do you know that the preacher is actually preaching the right thing unless you test him........

never be scared to ask questions,rod and Mau scared is not Godly

bullshit