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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: hope glimmers on February 04, 2005, 09:27:17 AM
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ok i just want to start out saying that im a girl and staight lol
but i think that gay marriages should be legal, i think that bush trying to make them illegal and all is against the constiution. America is all about choices. and just because someone chooses to be gay, they shouldnt be outcast in society. who is bush to say that being gay is wrong, thats his religion.
not everyone has the same religion as him, its as if hes forcing his religion on everyone
maybe hes homophobic, but that shouldnt affect the freedom of gay americans
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but that shouldnt affect the freedom of gay americans
It's not affecting the freedom of gay Americas. If a straight person wants to get married, they have to do it with someone of the opposite sex and if a gay person wants to get married they have to do it with someone of the opposite sex. You see, they are being treated equally.
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if they are gay let them be gay i think god gave us the choice to live life the way youwant but if you wrong you going to hell and but enjoy it while you can right thats my opinion.
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if they are gay let them be gay i think god gave us the choice to live life the way youwant but if you wrong you going to hell and but enjoy it while you can right thats my opinion.
if a man/woman wants to marry an animal, shall we let him/her??
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but that shouldnt affect the freedom of gay americans
It's not affecting the freedom of gay Americas. If a straight person wants to get married, they have to do it with someone of the opposite sex and if a gay person wants to get married they have to do it with someone of the opposite sex. You see, they are being treated equally.
LOL.. You would make a great lawyer? Aren't you a lawyer? I saw you once with a suit! Sorry I'd faded.. still, great post.
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if they are gay let them be gay i think god gave us the choice to live life the way youwant but if you wrong you going to hell and but enjoy it while you can right thats my opinion.
if a man/woman wants to marry an animal, shall we let him/her??
We can make an exception for you.
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if they are gay let them be gay i think god gave us the choice to live life the way youwant but if you wrong you going to hell and but enjoy it while you can right thats my opinion.
if a man/woman wants to marry an animal, shall we let him/her??
We can make an exception for you.
yo see... a normal man would understand from my comment that i'm against gay marriages... but on the other hand, you're probably american, so i forgive you...
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if they are gay let them be gay i think god gave us the choice to live life the way youwant but if you wrong you going to hell and but enjoy it while you can right thats my opinion.
if a man/woman wants to marry an animal, shall we let him/her??
We can make an exception for you.
yo see... a normal man would understand from my comment that i'm against gay marriages... but on the other hand, you're probably american, so i forgive you...
I understood your comment and I don't care if gay people want to marry each other and receive equal benefits from their employers and the government as a married man/woman do.
And no I'm not American...I'm Swedish 8)
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if a man/woman wants to marry an animal, shall we let him/her??
No, because the animal can't really consent to it, with gay marriage you have two consenting adults.
I would be better to say "what's next? a brother that wants to marry his sister?" There you have the same thing, two consenting adults, who's to say that's sick? That's just as sick as two men marrying in some people's minds.
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if they are gay let them be gay i think god gave us the choice to live life the way youwant but if you wrong you going to hell and but enjoy it while you can right thats my opinion.
if a man/woman wants to marry an animal, shall we let him/her??
We can make an exception for you.
for real only sicc minded people want to marry an animal and an animal cant say i do but a gay person can you shit head. do you have any videos of you doing your horse and shit
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if they are gay let them be gay i think god gave us the choice to live life the way youwant but if you wrong you going to hell and but enjoy it while you can right thats my opinion.
if a man/woman wants to marry an animal, shall we let him/her??
We can make an exception for you.
for real only sicc minded people want to marry an animal and an animal cant say i do but a gay person can you shit head. do you have any videos of you doing your horse and shit
i would consider a man who wants to marry another man sick
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if they are gay let them be gay i think god gave us the choice to live life the way youwant but if you wrong you going to hell and but enjoy it while you can right thats my opinion.
if a man/woman wants to marry an animal, shall we let him/her??
We can make an exception for you.
yo see... a normal man would understand from my comment that i'm against gay marriages... but on the other hand, you're probably american, so i forgive you...
I understood your comment and I don't care if gay people want to marry each other and receive equal benefits from their employers and the government as a married man/woman do.
And no I'm not American...I'm Swedish 8)
jaha... där ser man... usa skämtet går inte alltid igenom :o
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Jag er inte Svensk Jag var skoj. JAG bo inne USA utom Jag er inte Amerikanen.
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The traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman has existed for thousands of years. Now in my opinion gays should be given civil unions which gives them the same visitation rights, tax benefits, and so forth.
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The traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman has existed for thousands of years. Now in my opinion gays should be given civil unions which gives them the same visitation rights, tax benefits, and so forth.
i agree.
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that maybe the law but shit let them break it if they wan tit dont hurt no one and we should talk about more important laws like legalizing weed or something. fuck it if they gay then let the fuckers be gay shit i would as long as i can watch. j/k
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The traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman has existed for thousands of years. Now in my opinion gays should be given civil unions which gives them the same visitation rights, tax benefits, and so forth.
and btw
if a man/woman wants to marry an animal, shall we let him/her??
No, because the animal can't really consent to it, with gay marriage you have two consenting adults.
I would be better to say "what's next? a brother that wants to marry his sister?" There you have the same thing, two consenting adults, who's to say that's sick? That's just as sick as two men marrying in some people's minds.
that theory doesnt work imo .. why cant a man marry a dog, casue fucking animals is illegal (isnt it).. why cant a man marry his sister, cause its incest, and thats illegal
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The traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman has existed for thousands of years. Now in my opinion gays should be given civil unions which gives them the same visitation rights, tax benefits, and so forth.
Traditions can be broken ;)
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It all boils down to that Gay people want the taxes and benefits that a married couple gets.In the end of the day, Bush will not let this happen, and I hope he doesnt.
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Now give me ONE good reason why gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married with people of their own sex?
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that theory doesnt work imo .. why cant a man marry a dog, casue fucking animals is illegal (isnt it).. why cant a man marry his sister, cause its incest, and thats illegal
why can't a man marry and man, cause that's gay marriage, and that's illegal.
I don't see why brother and sister shouldn't be able to marry if a man can marry another man. There might be a good argument to separate the two different cases, if so, let's hear it.
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that theory doesnt work imo .. why cant a man marry a dog, casue fucking animals is illegal (isnt it).. why cant a man marry his sister, cause its incest, and thats illegal
why can't a man marry and man, cause that's gay marriage, and that's illegal.
I don't see why brother and sister shouldn't be able to marry if a man can marry another man. There might be a good argument to separate the two different cases, if so, let's hear it.
And so, why should both be illegal? Do you feel hurt if two men who are deeply in love with each other, get the same civilian rights a heterosexual couple gets?
Man, I could care less. If I was in love with my sister, why wouldn't you let me marry her. If I was in love with my male neighbor, why wouldn't you let me marry him? Why shouldn't I be allowed to?
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knuckels, Fucking your sister is illegal, fucking a man isnt, fuckin a dog is, fucking a man isnt... see my point?
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what is marriage anyway ? noonmes stopping them getting married, they can have a private ceremony and gte married, its not on paper but the homos are still wed in their own mind. case closed.
im against gay marriage in the church, legally they should be able to get married.
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Gays shouldnt marry. Its an unnatural thing. And if you allow it, you will get alot more gays in the future.
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Marraige has been between men and women for thousands of years. Can we let it stay that way?
But give gays the right to have recognized unions tho.
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Slavery has also been in existences for thousands of years still didn't make it right ;) Fuck religion and bush.
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Fuck religion and bush.
I'd always quote you on that :D
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Gays shouldnt marry. Its an unnatural thing. And if you allow it, you will get alot more gays in the future.
Is it against nature to follow your true feelings?
You won't get any more gays in the future if they're allowed marriage, you'll just have more people feeling like they're getting recognition and acceptation. More people who feel like they can be who they want to be. Personal freedom, freedom of mind. Relief. Now what's your problem if these people get to enjoy life more? Accept them for who they are. You saying "if you allow gay marriage, there will be more gays in the future", what's that about? Are you saying they're sick? Psycho's? In fact, ANYTHING negative?
Come on man, open your mind. This isn't the 19th century, where people are told what to do and what to think. Let them be who they want to be, let them do whatever they want to do. To all the religious people... You're saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed for church? Then why did God create a thing such as homosexuality? Why didn't He just restrict people to just loving people of the other sex by nature? He created them so that some of them got feelings for people of their own sex. Maybe God just wants you to open your eyes to others feelings.
"You are so proud of your holy absitence! Like touching a woman would kill you! Women are filthy little complications. That's why you became a priest. It has nothing to do with your convenient little stories. Now you're so proud of your church full of virgins?" - the voice of a posessed woman on the movie Stigmata, talking (actually screaming) to a priest who struggles with his feelings and his faith.
Come to think of that, and now relate it to the whole thing of gay marriage. Yup, it's true, maybe I shouldn't be watching anti-religious movies (but I just happen to love this one!) and maybe I shouldn't be relating to it in this case, but think of it. Why would God be against gay marriage? And why would you?
Damn, I just realised... This is one hell of a controversial post, but it's the way I think.
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wen 2 faggets make a child, ill accept it...
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What you think about a gay couple legally adopting a baby and raise it? I think that is horrible.
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I don't know exactly what my stance is on the whole gay marriage issue.
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^ its hard wen ur gay but your religion says what you are is wrong...but u gotta make the choice fagget
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Intolerance rules!
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give gay's the right to marry. let em cornhole till they're blue in the face. ya'll would let drug addicts marry, let single16 year old girl rase a baby, but you sould stop two succesful adult men from rasing a child.
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wen 2 faggets make a child, ill accept it...
:D
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wen 2 faggets make a child, ill accept it...
i think ure iq went up miraculously,first time ive seen letters of wisdom next to ure nic !!!
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Gays shouldnt marry. Its an unnatural thing. And if you allow it, you will get alot more gays in the future.
Is it against nature to follow your true feelings?
You won't get any more gays in the future if they're allowed marriage, you'll just have more people feeling like they're getting recognition and acceptation. More people who feel like they can be who they want to be. Personal freedom, freedom of mind. Relief. Now what's your problem if these people get to enjoy life more? Accept them for who they are. You saying "if you allow gay marriage, there will be more gays in the future", what's that about? Are you saying they're sick? Psycho's? In fact, ANYTHING negative?
Come on man, open your mind. This isn't the 19th century, where people are told what to do and what to think. Let them be who they want to be, let them do whatever they want to do. To all the religious people... You're saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed for church? Then why did God create a thing such as homosexuality? Why didn't He just restrict people to just loving people of the other sex by nature? He created them so that some of them got feelings for people of their own sex. Maybe God just wants you to open your eyes to others feelings.
"You are so proud of your holy absitence! Like touching a woman would kill you! Women are filthy little complications. That's why you became a priest. It has nothing to do with your convenient little stories. Now you're so proud of your church full of virgins?" - the voice of a posessed woman on the movie Stigmata, talking (actually screaming) to a priest who struggles with his feelings and his faith.
Come to think of that, and now relate it to the whole thing of gay marriage. Yup, it's true, maybe I shouldn't be watching anti-religious movies (but I just happen to love this one!) and maybe I shouldn't be relating to it in this case, but think of it. Why would God be against gay marriage? And why would you?
Damn, I just realised... This is one hell of a controversial post, but it's the way I think.
Just think about this. What if the whole world was suddenly gay. What do you think will happen. We would all extinct. I know its a little extreme, but its just an example. Men and women are made for eachother. A man and a women can create life. A man and a man arent made for eachother. Its unnatural. It just isnt right.
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^ its hard wen ur gay but your religion says what you are is wrong...but u gotta make the choice fagget
ROFL
What you think about a gay couple legally adopting a baby and raise it? I think that is horrible.
I used to think the same thing as you, but there are so many children that don't have any parents at all. For those kids we should only be happy some gay couples want to adopt children.
Just think about this. What if the whole world was suddenly gay. What do you think will happen. We would all extinct. I know its a little extreme, but its just an example. Men and women are made for eachother. A man and a women can create life. A man and a man arent made for eachother. Its unnatural. It just isnt right.
That will never happen and if it did, it would only be human nature. Being gay is not something you choose to be. You either are gay or you're not. Or you're bisexual of course.
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Thought this was cool
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Is it against nature to follow your true feelings?
no, its a mental glitch that causes men to think they love men, its not natural to stick your penis in an anal cavity, even if its into a female... in gods eyes under the catholic church, sex is only acceptable to reproduce, contraception is also forbidden...
bottom line, can a gay man be psychologially treated to love women again ?
usually the men that are gay are the ones that grew up without a father, their gay because they search for a father figure and confuse that for love for another man...
when you meet a woman and fall in love with her chances are she is similar to your mum.
read up on froyd, he was a great philosopher.
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What you think about a gay couple legally adopting a baby and raise it? I think that is horrible.
I used to think the same thing as you, but there are so many children that don't have any parents at all. For those kids we should only be happy some gay couples want to adopt children.
good call mauzipper, good to see you peepin out that closet...
o.k, yes let two fags raise a kid, what you get ? another fag...
i havent met too many faggots, but some of the ones ive met have the same look in their eye as those pedophiles on t.v... faggots shouldnt be trusted with children.
edit: some of the ones ive met
(only one ive met that seems like a metally healthy person, i still dont believe he is gay just confused.
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Is it against nature to follow your true feelings?
no, its a mental glitch that causes men to think they love men, its not natural to stick your penis in an anal cavity, even if its into a female... in gods eyes under the catholic church, sex is only acceptable to reproduce, contraception is also forbidden...
bottom line, can a gay man be psychologially treated to love women again ?
usually the men that are gay are the ones that grew up without a father, their gay because they search for a father figure and confuse that for love for another man...
when you meet a woman and fall in love with her chances are she is similar to your mum.
read up on froyd, he was a great philosopher.
very true.
And it proves my point. Being gay is unnatural.
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Unnaturally delicious!!!
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Just think about this. What if the whole world was suddenly gay. What do you think will happen. We would all extinct. I know its a little extreme, but its just an example. Men and women are made for eachother. A man and a women can create life. A man and a man arent made for eachother. Its unnatural. It just isnt right.
A man and a woman can create life. Most of them can. But how about those born sterile? They'll never be able to raise any kids of their own. Does that mean they're against nature, just because they can't multiply? Are we all on earth just to keep the human race going, or are we allowed living for ourselves too? If I decide not to raise any kids, am I living against God's will (even though I'm an atheïst)? There's enough people on earth who are not having kids. Think of what would happen if we all had kids. This is the 21st century - we got good health care. Imagine if we all had 12 kids, what would happen to the world population? I think you guys are using the wrong arguments against gay marriage.
About a gay couple raising adopted an adopted child... It might not be the perfect environment for a child to grow up in, I'll agree with you on that. Naturally, they'll need a mother and a father. Then again... The gay couples who are adopting children are well being tested to see if they're capable of raising a child. They don't randomly 'give away' children to anyone who wants to raise some. Now how about mentally disturbed people who are being allowed to have children? I think that's a lot worse since they're not capable of properly raising the children. Let the gay couples raise adopted children if they want to. Be glad someone's willing to raise them, there's enough orphans already. If they're capable of raising them properly, let them. I can't see them harming the children's ways of thinking. Usually, gay people are a lot more open to the situations of others. That's just what the U.S.A. needs.
Now I wonder, what's the general argument against gay marriage here? People shouldn't be allowed loving people of their own gender? Do you think they would stop their true feelings if they're no longer allowed to get out of the closet? Or is it just that you don't think they should be allowed as married for the church?
I think my point is clear. Let gay people do what they want as long as they're not harming any others by it. If that includes getting married in front of the church like heterosexual couples... Why discriminate?
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I think my point is clear. Let gay people do what they want as long as they're not harming any others by it. If that includes getting married in front of the church like heterosexual couples... Why discriminate?
How are they discriminated against? Each homosexual individual has the same rights as a heterosexual individual.
I picture this situation like it's a club. To join you have to follow certain rules and guidelines. These people don't want to follow them yet still join. It's bullshit.
It doesn't affect me either way but I just don't like them making a big issue outta this.
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I think my point is clear. Let gay people do what they want as long as they're not harming any others by it. If that includes getting married in front of the church like heterosexual couples... Why discriminate?
How are they discriminated against? Each homosexual individual has the same rights as a heterosexual individual.
I picture this situation like it's a club. To join you have to follow certain rules and guidelines. These people don't want to follow them yet still join. It's bullshit.
It doesn't affect me either way but I just don't like them making a big issue outta this.
It's true, it's not following the rules as they are. But why not change the rules? Why shouldn't gay marriages be allowed? If heterosexual people get the chance to marry those they fell in love with, I don't see why homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to. Traditions are there to be broken. Why do you care about not allowing them to get married?