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Title: Serious Question:
Post by: Trauma-san on February 09, 2005, 02:30:37 PM
I need some advice. 

Say you had a doctor tell you he saw a small, tiny tumour, cancerous, in your colon.  Your family has a history of Colon Cancer... he's saying that it will grow, grow, and grow, until eventually the cancer runs through my entire body, and kills me, but it'll likely take 20 years for it to happen. 

Right now I'm perfectly healthy, everything's fine.  There's two treatment options. 

The first is, I can take chemo, which likely won't eradicate the tumour, but it's cheaper than surgery.  The tumour will still be there, likely, but it'll shrink, and the chemo (which will make me sick for a while) will take longer to grow, but eventually it will grow, and take my life.  It'll probably take 30 years, instead of the 20 years, and I'd have to do chemo pretty consantly to keep the tumour halfway under control.

The second way is, I can have a very serious major operation, very expensive, and it'll remove the tumour, and I'll be healthy for the rest of my life.  I'll also no longer have to go to the doctor for Chemo treatments, so I won't have that hanging over me. 

Opinions? Which option should I take? 
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Trauma-san on February 09, 2005, 02:31:34 PM
Oh, there is a third option, too, of course.  Do nothing, and die in 20 years. 
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Lincoln on February 09, 2005, 02:32:48 PM
Surgery. Is this something that's happening to you personally right now Trauma?
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Don Seer on February 09, 2005, 02:33:42 PM
go for the operation.

however.. how bad is the cost... ?


sounds horrible... over here the operation would be free homie :(
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Rampant on February 09, 2005, 03:05:04 PM
definetly the surgery over chemo. Get rid of it completly.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: *Jamal* on February 09, 2005, 03:09:10 PM
Now you see what I mean with "the country should stop making cuts in education & healthcare, and should stop increasing the enormous military budget"....

Anyways, I would go with option #2... go for the operation... fuck money... your life is worth every last penny... what else would you spend your money on? Money comes and goes.... '
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Lincoln on February 09, 2005, 03:12:15 PM
sounds horrible... over here the operation would be free homie :(

Same here. I couldn't imagine having to cover that kind of thing by myself. I've heard the US is the only G8 country without a public health care system, that's crazy with all the money they spend on the military.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: *Jamal* on February 09, 2005, 03:17:22 PM
sounds horrible... over here the operation would be free homie :(

Same here. I couldn't imagine having to cover that kind of thing by myself. I've heard the US is the only G8 country without a public health care system, that's crazy with all the money they spend on the military.

Exactly... it's fucked up...
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Suga Foot on February 09, 2005, 03:46:04 PM
I'd do the surgery.  You have to think of your family aswell.  If you're a provider for your family, you have to do whats best for them aswell.   

Like Jamal said, money comes and goes.  Health is way more important.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: white Boy on February 09, 2005, 04:34:37 PM
how is this even a question.. money vs. health.. deffinately do the surgery, and good luck with that
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Machiavelli on February 09, 2005, 05:24:38 PM
You will die less then 20 years.

You will surive MAX 10 years if you go with the third option.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on February 09, 2005, 05:43:16 PM
slit your wrists
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Matrix Heart on February 09, 2005, 05:48:40 PM
slit your wrists
lol


Move to Canada and marry Lincoln's sister :D oh and become a democrat.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Lincoln on February 09, 2005, 07:13:17 PM
slit your wrists
lol


Move to Canada and marry Lincoln's sister :D oh and become a democrat.

I don't have a sister.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: DAYUM on February 09, 2005, 07:17:50 PM
operation dude...
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Matrix Heart on February 09, 2005, 08:07:11 PM
slit your wrists
lol


Move to Canada and marry Lincoln's sister :D oh and become a democrat.

I don't have a sister.

R.I.P. Trauma

j/k  :D  Become Canadian.


Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on February 09, 2005, 08:35:15 PM
go with operation and get rid of it forever
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: etiquette on February 09, 2005, 08:44:41 PM
Personally, I'd just wait the 20years or whatever it may be and die naturally.

But bleh, each to their own.

Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: white Boy on February 09, 2005, 09:25:56 PM
trauma is a democrat
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Ozir on February 09, 2005, 09:57:07 PM
Surgery
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Don Jacob on February 09, 2005, 11:40:42 PM
wow sorry to hear this man. but yea go for the operation....my grandma had cancer and CHEMO IS NOT GOOOOD AT ALL, she said she'd rather of died then go through that again. as far as cost...im not sure what they got out there in the carolinas, but in california there's a grip of programs you could get on that'll help pay for that
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: mauzip on February 10, 2005, 03:47:22 AM

You will surive MAX 10 years if you go with the third option.

 ::)

Go for the surgery option. Life is more important than money.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Matrix Heart on February 10, 2005, 05:21:02 AM
What about a natural cures for the tumor  8) go to some third world country and find it {India, China*,African/South American countries etc...}

All you Americans/Europeans are getting ripped off by the drug companies.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Trauma-san on February 10, 2005, 07:24:46 AM
Well, I'm glad everybody's so sympathetic, and I'm sorry to put all of you throught that, but it turns out it was a false alarm.


However, using all the knowledge we gained from this post, lets apply it to the current social security crisis in the country.  I'll leave others to go ahead and flesh that out, my work here is done.

Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Matrix Heart on February 10, 2005, 12:01:19 PM
Well, I'm glad everybody's so sympathetic, and I'm sorry to put all of you throught that, but it turns out it was a false alarm.


However, using all the knowledge we gained from this post, lets apply it to the current social security crisis in the country.  I'll leave others to go ahead and flesh that out, my work here is done.


Actually I didn't care  :nahnah:


Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Thirteen on February 10, 2005, 01:34:28 PM
well glad it was a false alarm trauma... i bet having a tumor in your colon is is as scary as having one in the brain for the rest of us since you're an asshole   8)
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on February 10, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
Well, I'm glad everybody's so sympathetic, and I'm sorry to put all of you throught that, but it turns out it was a false alarm.


However, using all the knowledge we gained from this post, lets apply it to the current social security crisis in the country.  I'll leave others to go ahead and flesh that out, my work here is done.



LOL.. not bad.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Machiavelli on February 10, 2005, 04:41:20 PM

However, using all the knowledge we gained from this post, lets apply it to the current social security crisis in the country.  I'll leave others to go ahead and flesh that out, my work here is done.



Thats a good comparison.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Matrix Heart on February 10, 2005, 06:20:36 PM

However, using all the knowledge we gained from this post, lets apply it to the current social security crisis in the country.  I'll leave others to go ahead and flesh that out, my work here is done.



Thats a good comparison.

Go massage Trauma's colon...

Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: rafsta on February 10, 2005, 06:40:15 PM
good bluff
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: 7even on February 10, 2005, 06:47:37 PM
good bluff

yea.. I think he just wanted to know if people care about him, so he might stay on the board. Now, that he found out people don't give a shit, he tries to leave.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Thirteen on February 10, 2005, 09:09:57 PM
good bluff

yea.. I think he just wanted to know if people care about him, so he might stay on the board. Now, that he found out people don't give a shit, he tries to leave.

i think he was making an anology about the social security issue and he just got a bunch of people to say they agree with the "pay a bunch of money now and don't worry about it later" rather than keep the same system and worry about it collapsing every year
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Sikotic™ on February 11, 2005, 01:37:58 AM
Surgery man. Life is priceless.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: *Jamal* on February 11, 2005, 02:06:44 AM
^ LOL... I don't think you read his follow-up...
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: *Jamal* on February 11, 2005, 02:08:04 AM
i think he was making an anology about the social security issue

WOW.... a real Sherlock we have here..
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Thirteen on February 11, 2005, 07:02:38 AM
i think he was making an anology about the social security issue

WOW.... a real Sherlock we have here..

i was explaining it to someone else... not everyone can be as smart as you claim you are
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: white Boy on February 11, 2005, 09:10:53 AM
truama is a sneaky bastard ..
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Ant on February 11, 2005, 09:55:29 AM
Well, I'm glad everybody's so sympathetic, and I'm sorry to put all of you throught that, but it turns out it was a false alarm.


However, using all the knowledge we gained from this post, lets apply it to the current social security crisis in the country.  I'll leave others to go ahead and flesh that out, my work here is done.

Social Security reform has already been addressed on this forum.  But just for kicks I'll requote Bush's explanation of how he plans to fix the problem:

Question: How is the new plan is going to fix the problem (with social security)?

THE PRESIDENT: Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to what has been promised.

Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red.

Okay, better? I'll keep working on it.

____

You can't win an argument when you've already chosen the wrong side to defend... all you can do is rationalize, which you and your fellow republicans are pretty good at. The world would be a much better place if every debater was concerned with the discovery of truth rather than being solely concerned with proving the other side wrong.  Social Security could be improved, but so could plenty of other things and as it stands the Bush plan is far from ideal.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: white Boy on February 11, 2005, 09:58:06 AM
^ is it me , or did he just mumble a bunch of nonsense...
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Sikotic™ on February 11, 2005, 01:21:51 PM
^ LOL... I don't think you read his follow-up...

LOL Nah I didn't and I don't intend on doing so
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: *Jamal* on February 11, 2005, 04:12:17 PM
i think he was making an anology about the social security issue

WOW.... a real Sherlock we have here..

i was explaining it to someone else... not everyone can be as smart as you claim you are

Yeah, and the intelligence I claim is even humbled down a bit since I'm a modest guy...

Anyways, why would you say "I think..."    when he already proclaimed that it is.... you're right, not everyone can be as smart as I claim I am...
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on February 11, 2005, 08:25:43 PM


yea.. I think he just wanted to know if people care about him, so he might stay on the board. Now, that he found out people don't give a shit, he tries to leave.

Actually, Trauma is one of the origionals at this forum, and alot of the people here came from the old WestCoastKillaz forum he had.  He's probably the second most popular forum member besides the creator, Overseer.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Thirteen on February 11, 2005, 09:24:11 PM
i think he was making an anology about the social security issue

WOW.... a real Sherlock we have here..

i was explaining it to someone else... not everyone can be as smart as you claim you are

Yeah, and the intelligence I claim is even humbled down a bit since I'm a modest guy...

Anyways, why would you say "I think..."    when he already proclaimed that it is.... you're right, not everyone can be as smart as I claim I am...

it's hard to read sarcasm over the internet...that's were the "i think" came from
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: *Jamal* on February 12, 2005, 01:08:58 AM
i think he was making an anology about the social security issue

WOW.... a real Sherlock we have here..

i was explaining it to someone else... not everyone can be as smart as you claim you are

Yeah, and the intelligence I claim is even humbled down a bit since I'm a modest guy...

Anyways, why would you say "I think..."    when he already proclaimed that it is.... you're right, not everyone can be as smart as I claim I am...

it's hard to read sarcasm over the internet...that's were the "i think" came from

There's no need to read between the lines or anything... it's put right there in front of your face.... it's okay if you're dumb, you can always join the military and torture people...

Well, I'm glad everybody's so sympathetic, and I'm sorry to put all of you throught that, but it turns out it was a false alarm.
However, using all the knowledge we gained from this post, lets apply it to the current social security crisis in the country.  I'll leave others to go ahead and flesh that out, my work here is done.



Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Thirteen on February 12, 2005, 04:36:46 AM
i think he was making an anology about the social security issue

WOW.... a real Sherlock we have here..

i was explaining it to someone else... not everyone can be as smart as you claim you are

Yeah, and the intelligence I claim is even humbled down a bit since I'm a modest guy...

Anyways, why would you say "I think..."    when he already proclaimed that it is.... you're right, not everyone can be as smart as I claim I am...

it's hard to read sarcasm over the internet...that's were the "i think" came from

There's no need to read between the lines or anything... it's put right there in front of your face.... it's okay if you're dumb, you can always join the military and torture people...

Well, I'm glad everybody's so sympathetic, and I'm sorry to put all of you throught that, but it turns out it was a false alarm.
However, using all the knowledge we gained from this post, lets apply it to the current social security crisis in the country.  I'll leave others to go ahead and flesh that out, my work here is done.





aren't you up for an oscar?
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: 7even on February 12, 2005, 07:12:23 AM
first Jamal and Smerlus got to chill the fuck down :D
yea about the Social Security intend, but Im also quite sure that Trauma wanted to make clear if people would miss him and shit. I remember him saying if my Karma goes down to X, Im leaving or some shit back in the day. Well it turned out people made jokes and shit lol so clears it up, makes another jab at Social Security and says "my work here is done".
Anyways, LOL@Infinite "The Creator, Overseer." Speaking of God? :D lol@2nd most popular member.. I don't give much of a damn who came here first, plus you arent to decide who's in and who's not. My 2Cents on Trauma are basically that he can do quite a good job at writing and shit, but he's a very frustrated person which also affects his posts now and then and makes him transform into an insane maniac from time to time.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on February 12, 2005, 09:08:43 AM

lol@2nd most popular member.. I don't give much of a damn who came here first, plus you arent to decide who's in and who's not. My 2Cents on Trauma are basically that he can do quite a good job at writing and shit, but he's a very frustrated person which also affects his posts now and then and makes him transform into an insane maniac from time to time.

I didn't say that you liked him, what I did say is that he's probably the most well known person at this forum besides the guy who created the forum, Overseer.  And no doubt he's way more popular than you are, maybe your jealous of him, I don't know.  I don't personally like him very much either, but that wasn't what you said, what you said is that nobody on here cared about him, and if that was true then posts about him, and all of his posts wouldn't blow up to 2 and 3 pages.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: 7even on February 12, 2005, 10:35:36 AM

lol@2nd most popular member.. I don't give much of a damn who came here first, plus you arent to decide who's in and who's not. My 2Cents on Trauma are basically that he can do quite a good job at writing and shit, but he's a very frustrated person which also affects his posts now and then and makes him transform into an insane maniac from time to time.

I didn't say that you liked him, what I did say is that he's probably the most well know person at this forum besides the guy who created the forum, Overseer.  And no doubt he's way more popular than you are, maybe your jealous of him, I don't know.  I don't personally like him very much either, but that wasn't what you said, what you said is that nobody on here cared about him, and if that was true then posts about him, and all of his posts wouldn't blow up to 2 and 3 pages.

lol... I don't want to go that route again.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: rafsta on February 12, 2005, 08:20:08 PM


yea.. I think he just wanted to know if people care about him, so he might stay on the board. Now, that he found out people don't give a shit, he tries to leave.

Actually, Trauma is one of the origionals at this forum, and alot of the people here came from the old WestCoastKillaz forum he had.  He's probably the second most popular forum member besides the creator, Overseer.

and you my friend are the original dick sucker...
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: _That_Cracka_J on February 14, 2005, 05:53:07 PM
Well, I'm glad everybody's so sympathetic, and I'm sorry to put all of you throught that, but it turns out it was a false alarm.


However, using all the knowledge we gained from this post, lets apply it to the current social security crisis in the country.  I'll leave others to go ahead and flesh that out, my work here is done.



Great analogy.  Seems like most people don't care though.  Trauma's analogy illustrates a true point.  We've got to privatize social secuirty so that it will still be there.  For the whiny ass bastards that say, "It's too risky", they are just ignorant.  I've made a lot of money on the stock market over the years.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Woodrow on February 14, 2005, 06:01:27 PM
yea about the Social Security intend, but Im also quite sure that Trauma wanted to make clear if people would miss him and shit.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

That shit went RIGHT over your head.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: *Jamal* on February 14, 2005, 06:28:17 PM
yea about the Social Security intend, but Im also quite sure that Trauma wanted to make clear if people would miss him and shit.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

That shit went RIGHT over your head.

LMAO... and this fool calls himself "mastermind"...
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: 7even on February 14, 2005, 06:39:33 PM
People told me I shouldnt state the obvious all the time. Once I don't do it, people say I don't recognize the obvious. Add 2 and 2 together.. people are on my nuts. :)
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: rafsta on February 14, 2005, 07:43:50 PM
it actually equals 4...
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: Fathom on February 27, 2005, 02:30:37 PM
How much of a cost are we talking about?  Is it absolutlety necesarry that you get the surgery now or can you slowly save up for a decade or so?  Is the tumor really that slow?  Will insurance provide any assistance? It should.  Is the surgery safe?  Do you really want more than 20 or 30 years more?  Ask yourself these questions.
Title: Re: Serious Question:
Post by: rafsta on March 06, 2005, 06:34:01 PM
How much of a cost are we talking about?  Is it absolutlety necesarry that you get the surgery now or can you slowly save up for a decade or so?  Is the tumor really that slow?  Will insurance provide any assistance? It should.  Is the surgery safe?  Do you really want more than 20 or 30 years more?  Ask yourself these questions.

you've got a good heart kiddo