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Title: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Ant on March 23, 2005, 07:12:31 PM
BUSH JOB APPROVALS

Overall
Now
43%
2/2005
49%

Economy
Now
36%
2/2005
38%

Iraq
Now
39%
2/2005
45%

And things aren't looking so good for the GOP either... apparently most of America saw past their Sciavo charade:

WHY DO YOU THINK CONGRESS GOT INVOLVED?

They care about Terri Schiavo
13%
Trying to advance political agenda
74%



Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: nibs on March 23, 2005, 07:57:14 PM
it doesn't really matter.  he doesn't need a second term.  maybe the only thing hinging on his popularity will be social security privatization. 

lets see what those numbers look like after the iran bombing.
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: The Watcher on March 23, 2005, 08:02:13 PM
ya'll were crazy for voting him back in
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: 'EclipZe on March 23, 2005, 11:35:31 PM
ya'll were crazy for voting him back in
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Trauma-san on March 23, 2005, 11:43:31 PM
It's impossible for things to get 'worse' for Bush.  He's the most powerful man in the world, and will be until 2008, upon which time he'll be forced to step down.  Nothing he does can extend the 2008 deadline, and nothing he doesn't do (short of impeachment) can shorten it.  I guess ultimately what I'm saying is: who gives a shit?  He's the president for 4 more years, it doesn't matter if his approval rating falls to 0. 
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Suffice on March 24, 2005, 04:10:04 AM
It's impossible for things to get 'worse' for Bush.  He's the most powerful man in the world, and will be until 2008, upon which time he'll be forced to step down.  Nothing he does can extend the 2008 deadline, and nothing he doesn't do (short of impeachment) can shorten it.  I guess ultimately what I'm saying is: who gives a shit?  He's the president for 4 more years, it doesn't matter if his approval rating falls to 0. 
he does have a point there. Anyone know where i can get FUCK BUSH pins? i want one for my backpack
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on March 24, 2005, 04:20:04 AM
^^^^ LMAO!  Props!  That picture of Bush as Che is great!
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Machiavelli on March 24, 2005, 06:25:07 AM
You think Bush gives a shit about his ratings. No.

If it was Clinton who was having bad ratings he would do everything to try to change it. Bush wouldnt. Thats the problems with Libreals.
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Ant on March 24, 2005, 08:12:48 AM
It's impossible for things to get 'worse' for Bush.  He's the most powerful man in the world, and will be until 2008, upon which time he'll be forced to step down.  Nothing he does can extend the 2008 deadline, and nothing he doesn't do (short of impeachment) can shorten it.  I guess ultimately what I'm saying is: who gives a shit?  He's the president for 4 more years, it doesn't matter if his approval rating falls to 0. 

Not that you'd understand the complexities of how politics actually work, but politicians need something called political capital to get their job done.  Bush is running out of it which is why he lost the SS security battle, and why the neo-con movement is becoming marginalized.  Low approval ratings will impact his ability to suceed with almost everyone of his upcoming iniatives. The president does not have the right to just do as he pleases, he needs approval from congress and the senate.

Low presidential approval ratings make it harder for congressman and senators to remain lackeys... these guys have to run again in 2 years and are jockeying for position to be the republican nominee in 2008.  They don't want to be seen as overly supporting a president that is disliked by the majority of the country.  Already politicians are feeling the heat due to their support of Bush.  The Congressional Job Approval Rating has fallen from an already low 44% to 34%.   Then there is the impact of Terry Schiavo and overwhelmingly the public is disappointed at the republican desire to have congress step in pretending to save terry:

Should Congress and the President be involved in the Schiavo matter?

Yes 13
No 82

Does Bush get to stay in Washington for four more years? Sure everyone knows this much already... but what will his legacy be and will his presidency help or hurt the conservative movement?  I think when you see approval ratings around 43% and 34% at the beginning of his term its fair to say his legacy is not likely to be flattering, and 4 years from now the republicans short glimpse of what it means to possess power will quickly fade away. 
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Thirteen on March 24, 2005, 11:58:58 AM
It's impossible for things to get 'worse' for Bush.  He's the most powerful man in the world, and will be until 2008, upon which time he'll be forced to step down.  Nothing he does can extend the 2008 deadline, and nothing he doesn't do (short of impeachment) can shorten it.  I guess ultimately what I'm saying is: who gives a shit?  He's the president for 4 more years, it doesn't matter if his approval rating falls to 0. 

Not that you'd understand the complexities of how politics actually work, but politicians need something called political capital to get their job done.  Bush is running out of it which is why he lost the SS security battle, and why the neo-con movement is becoming marginalized.  Low approval ratings will impact his ability to suceed with almost everyone of his upcoming iniatives. The president does not have the right to just do as he pleases, he needs approval from congress and the senate.

Low presidential approval ratings make it harder for congressman and senators to remain lackeys... these guys have to run again in 2 years and are jockeying for position to be the republican nominee in 2008.  They don't want to be seen as overly supporting a president that is disliked by the majority of the country.  Already politicians are feeling the heat due to their support of Bush.  The Congressional Job Approval Rating has fallen from an already low 44% to 34%.   Then there is the impact of Terry Schiavo and overwhelmingly the public is disappointed at the republican desire to have congress step in pretending to save terry:

Should Congress and the President be involved in the Schiavo matter?

Yes 13
No 82

Does Bush get to stay in Washington for four more years? Sure everyone knows this much already... but what will his legacy be and will his presidency help or hurt the conservative movement?  I think when you see approval ratings around 43% and 34% at the beginning of his term its fair to say his legacy is not likely to be flattering, and 4 years from now the republicans short glimpse of what it means to possess power will quickly fade away. 

so once again why should bush care? hoenestly, do you think bush spent his long hours of his days thinking up the SS reform? nah he was fucking golfing... one of the people close to him said "hey push this idea and i'll do this favor for you". all he's doing is ruining other people's careers... he's making 6 figures a year, he gets lifetime protection, pay, health insurance.... he's already a millionaire...so what if people like him

millions of people call Bill Gates a nerd...a bastard....windows sucks.... you think he gives a flying fuck? he could buy your city and turn it into a petting zoo

i think you greatly over estimate the power of polls...
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on March 24, 2005, 12:24:08 PM
These "ideologues" are too focused on what other people say, its disgusting. Youre always referring to polls Ant, but these polls dont mean shit. It dont mean shit that only 36 % of motherfuckers approve Bush, cuz 52% of motherfuckers voted for him,


And nothing is worse for Bush. Nothing will get worse for Bush. Yall handed him a gun, hes gonna use that mofo.
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Ant on March 24, 2005, 01:37:48 PM
These "ideologues" are too focused on what other people say, its disgusting. Youre always referring to polls Ant, but these polls dont mean shit. It dont mean shit that only 36 % of motherfuckers approve Bush, cuz 52% of motherfuckers voted for him,


And nothing is worse for Bush. Nothing will get worse for Bush. Yall handed him a gun, hes gonna use that mofo.

like i said... the polls represent a loss of political capital and a significant problem for the republican party as a whole.  they have been rejoicing and talking about how they are the majority, and how the democrats will never regain power... that just doesn't seem to be the case, but i could be wrong.  yes, we're stuck with Bush til 2008, but I'd rather have Bush be president with 40% approval ratings, than see what he tries to do if by chance his approval ratings were 80%.
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Thirteen on March 24, 2005, 01:47:25 PM
you act like these numbers are magical and that if his rating were 80% he could make slavery legal again... maybe at 84% he could invade canada

it's a fucking poll, if bush has a terrible idea he's fronting, it's not going to pass if his rating is 4% or 94%
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Ant on March 24, 2005, 07:10:56 PM
you act like these numbers are magical and that if his rating were 80% he could make slavery legal again... maybe at 84% he could invade canada

it's a fucking poll, if bush has a terrible idea he's fronting, it's not going to pass if his rating is 4% or 94%

lol... is it possible for you to write something that doesn't make it so obvious that you barely passed high school?
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Thirteen on March 24, 2005, 10:05:31 PM
you act like these numbers are magical and that if his rating were 80% he could make slavery legal again... maybe at 84% he could invade canada

it's a fucking poll, if bush has a terrible idea he's fronting, it's not going to pass if his rating is 4% or 94%

lol... is it possible for you to write something that doesn't make it so obvious that you barely passed high school?

i could post like i was in a special ed class and cut and paste like you do
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Ant on March 25, 2005, 01:50:20 PM
you act like these numbers are magical and that if his rating were 80% he could make slavery legal again... maybe at 84% he could invade canada

it's a fucking poll, if bush has a terrible idea he's fronting, it's not going to pass if his rating is 4% or 94%

lol... is it possible for you to write something that doesn't make it so obvious that you barely passed high school?

i could post like i was in a special ed class and cut and paste like you do

you could enroll in a few special ed classes they might help you.
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Thirteen on March 25, 2005, 01:53:46 PM
you act like these numbers are magical and that if his rating were 80% he could make slavery legal again... maybe at 84% he could invade canada

it's a fucking poll, if bush has a terrible idea he's fronting, it's not going to pass if his rating is 4% or 94%

lol... is it possible for you to write something that doesn't make it so obvious that you barely passed high school?

i could post like i was in a special ed class and cut and paste like you do

you could enroll in a few special ed classes they might help you.

why? they haven't helped you any...

hey if we start an approval rating for you... since they are so powerful and all persuading....will you shut the fuck up with all your gay posts?
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: nibs on March 25, 2005, 02:24:32 PM
Ant:
Not that you'd understand the complexities of how politics actually work, but politicians need something called political capital to get their job done.  Bush is running out of it which is why he lost the SS security battle


i agree with you on the social security issue, however that battle isn't completely over.  social security, medicare and medicaid will be facing a significant cut in benefits sometime soon.  that's almost inevitable.  whether or not this private accounts idea can fly is another issue altogether, and may be a red herring; simply to get people focused on the fact that social security is in "insolvent" and change is needed.

and why the neo-con movement is becoming marginalized.

the neo-con movement is nowhere near marginalized.  they are calling iraq a success, the insurgency is being portrayed as a dying effort.  they are claiming success in egypt with the elections, in lebanon with syria pulling back the troops and ofcourse in afghanistan.  paul wolfowitz just  got a promotion to president of the world bank.

Low approval ratings will impact his ability to suceed with almost everyone of his upcoming iniatives. The president does not have the right to just do as he pleases, he needs approval from congress and the senate.

foreign policy is an area where the president has the most freedom to act unilaterally; and this is the president that has executed a record number of executive orders to date.  he still has some to operate.  i do agree that his current failings on social security and dismal approval ratings could derail much of his domestic agenda. 
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Ant on March 25, 2005, 03:08:45 PM
Ant:
Not that you'd understand the complexities of how politics actually work, but politicians need something called political capital to get their job done.  Bush is running out of it which is why he lost the SS security battle


anyways...   are bush and the republicans down for the count? i doubt it. they aren't stupid and they have yet to really start spending a lot of money on promoting their domestic and foreign agenda.  we'll have to wait another year or so to tell which direction things are actually heading in.


i agree with you on the social security issue, however that battle isn't completely over.  social security, medicare and medicaid will be facing a significant cut in benefits sometime soon.  that's almost inevitable.  whether or not this private accounts idea can fly is another issue altogether, and may be a red herring; simply to get people focused on the fact that social security is in "insolvent" and change is needed.

and why the neo-con movement is becoming marginalized.

the neo-con movement is nowhere near marginalized.  they are calling iraq a success, the insurgency is being portrayed as a dying effort.  they are claiming success in egypt with the elections, in lebanon with syria pulling back the troops and ofcourse in afghanistan.  paul wolfowitz just  got a promotion to president of the world bank.

Low approval ratings will impact his ability to suceed with almost everyone of his upcoming iniatives. The president does not have the right to just do as he pleases, he needs approval from congress and the senate.

foreign policy is an area where the president has the most freedom to act unilaterally; and this is the president that has executed a record number of executive orders to date.  he still has some to operate.  i do agree that his current failings on social security and dismal approval ratings could derail much of his domestic agenda. 

i'm bettin the neo-con movement gets marginalized during bush's second term. u can't really prove one way or another yet tho.  some say wolfowitz got a promotion, others say he got sent to a less powerful position. that's not the say the world bank isn't an extremely powerful institution, but i'm not entirely sure how much authority the world bank president has. 

the one thing the neo-con movement has going for it tho, is that altho its been mentioned plenty of times, most people really don't know what it is yet, so they really don't know what exactly to oppose or support... the funny thing is the neo-cons were once primarily concerned with making the world a better place for all countries, but it seems like they abandoned that ideology and kicked out the core members that disagreed with their overzealous foreign policy (ie fukuyama).  by choosing iraq as their first target they weakened their agenda.  there is no longer majority support for the iraq war, and the public will certainly be skeptical about lauching another strike against iran, korea, syria, etc.... bushs recent threat to use force again china if they attack taiwan was laughed off by the chinese who realize bush would never acquire the public support to do such a thing... basically the neo-cons and the bush admininstration wasted political capital in iraq and in that regard they weakened, but perhaps have not marginalized their movement.
Title: Re: Things get even worse for Bush... New Approval Ratings Out.
Post by: Ant on March 26, 2005, 12:07:10 PM
Gallup weighs in on the benefits Bush has bestowed upon the republican party:

The factors contributing to increasing dissatisfaction with the way Bush is handling his job also appear to be causing some Americans to drift toward identification with the Democratic Party, at least temporarily. The poll shows that the percentages of Americans who say they identify "as of today" as either a Republican or an independent are down slightly, from 35% Republican in Gallup's last poll to 32% in this poll, and from 31% independent to 29% independent. Identification with the Democratic Party is up from 32% to 37%. These relatively slight changes do not suggest a fundamental shift in the partisan structure in America today so much as they reflect a more negative mood at the moment toward both the president and his party.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=15373

if things improve for bush this trend may be nonexistent, but as i've said repeatedly... bush has pushed plenty of people out of the republican party.  i kno at least 4 republicans that left the party because of GWB.... the argument that low approval ratings essentially mean nothing is quite obviously incorrect... there are consquences for supporting a president with horribly low approval ratings as the republican party will begin to find out if things don't improve.