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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Lincoln on April 23, 2005, 10:40:05 PM
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http://www.iqm.ro/beatles/paudi.html
Enjoy.
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ahh man. dope..
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thanks man.
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thx man...
thx for the hook up
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^^ No problem, I hope everyone enjoys them.
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shit..thanks man!
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Everybody go download "Piggies".
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^ is that your fav song, i hated it at 1st, but then i actually listened to the lyrics :).. i still dont really like helter skelter and why dont we do it in the road, other than that, white album is flawless
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Didn't Charles Manson write the lyrics to Piggies over the walls with blood during his killing spree or am I just making shit up? Correct me if I'm wrong Trauma.
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Oh and download Run For Your Life. Brilliant.
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^ is that your fav song, i hated it at 1st, but then i actually listened to the lyrics :).. i still dont really like helter skelter and why dont we do it in the road, other than that, white album is flawless
Really, those are 2 of my faves.
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Nah, Charles Manson didn't write stuff on the walls... urgh, shit. It's complicated.
First, Charles Manson wasn't even there. He was at home on his ranch, he was never at the house during the murders. He probably SENT the women there that did it (yeah, it was all women), but they can't even prove that. So he didn't write a thing.
Second, they were trying to make it look like a serial killer did it. Their friend had been arrested for a murder, so they wrote shit on the walls, mimicking what their friend had wrote on the walls, so that people would think that the same guy did both; since their friend was in jail, it would prove he wasn't the killer.
They did write "Pigs" or something on the wall, but that was because they were trying to connect it to the other case, and because they felt that there needed to be a race war (which they would all escape, living on their ranch in the desert). They did write "Helter Skelter" on the wall, because they thought that this race war was what the Beatles were referring to with the song. Anybody from England probably finds it obvious that the song is actually about a slide on a playground, a "Helter Skelter".
Piggies isn't my favorite song of the Beatles, but I do like it. I just think it's a funny song. I can't listen to Helter Skelter much, it's just too loud. I like the end, when Paul screams "HELTAHHH SKELTAHHH!!!" though. Why Don't We Do It In the Road is o.k., not one of my favorites. Lesse, and Run For Your Life is pretty good, John was COLD back then, he used to beat his wife up and get in fights at bars. It kind of reminds me of "You Can't Do That".
I like the prettier, more melodic Beatles songs. Stuff like "And Your Bird Can Sing", or "Cry Baby Cry" if you like the White album stuff.
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Ever heard the I Am Sam soundtrack Trauma? Some very good covers on it. Without a doubt worth a listen for any big Beatles fan.
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^ Yeah, I heard it, but I didn't really like any of the covers. It's hard to cover songs that are almost perfect (or are!) to begin with.
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Each to thier own I guess. Quick question. :)
I was listening to a Beatles song that in parts sounded identical to one of the Beach Boys tracks. Due to the high intake of alcohol into my blood stream since listening to said songs I've completely forgot what they are. Any ideas?
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i think hermans hermits sound like beatles, well in the song "no milk today" they do,
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Each to thier own I guess. Quick question. :)
I was listening to a Beatles song that in parts sounded identical to one of the Beach Boys tracks. Due to the high intake of alcohol into my blood stream since listening to said songs I've completely forgot what they are. Any ideas?
Oooh, a challenge! Um, there's two things that pop in mind. Or actually several things. Before I list them, though, please understand that i'm not saying that the Beatles 'ripped' the Beach Boys off or anything, just saying that two great bands came up with similar ideas, likely on their own. A lot of people contend that Paul McCartney heard versions of the SMiLE tapes while they were being recorded, and stole a lot of the ideas... he actually DID hear some of the sessions (he was there), but the Beatles themselves were extremely creative, and aren't called the greatest band of all time because they ripped somebody off. There's a clear progression in musical ability in the Beatles records, and the same in the Beach Boys' records.
Anyways, Brian Wilson started producing more 'symphonic' tracks like "California Girls", and more introspective songs, like "Warmth Of the Sun" (the love of my life; she left me one day... I cried when she said, 'I don't feel the same way'), and "Please Let Me Wonder", "In My Room", stuff like that around the same time the Beatles were doing "Help!" with John Lennon's more introspective stuff soon following... "Help!" had "Yesterday" on it, as well... John's 'I Don't Want To Spoil The Party', etc. so both bands were maturing at the same time. At about this time, in the U.S. at least, the Beatles and the Beach Boys were frequently switching places near the top of the charts, Brian Wilson was honestly holding his own, commercially, against the Beatles.. and on top of it, he was producing his songs as well as writing them, the Beatles had George Martin producing theirs, although they helped (Paul arranged "Yesterday", for instance).
So around this time, the Beatles put out their landmark "Rubber Soul" album. It had great songs like "In My Life" and "Girl", and "Michelle"... so they were really starting to progress. Brian Wilson heard the album, and was convinced that his rivals, the Beatles, were onto something, and were trying to make 'spiritual' pop music, so he intended to make his own music more spiritual (soulful, nothing religious). Brian's reaction to the beautiful songs on "Rubber Soul" was to write and produce "Pet Sounds".
When Paul McCartney heard Pet Sounds, he was blown away (as were most people in the business). Pet Sounds didn't sell very well, however, except in England. Anyways, Paul to this day names "God Only Knows" as the greatest song ever written, and says he cried the first time he heard Brian sing "You Still Believe In Me" on Pet Sounds. This is where the 'ripoff' starts. Paul soon after wrote "Here, There, and Everywhere", which thematically is a very close copy of "You Still Believe In Me", it has a ton of similar progressions and themes, if you'll listen to the two you'll see it's obvious after it's been pointed out. So people claim Paul ripped Brian off, but I see it more as a homage, you have to remember Brian himself recorded tons of Phil Spector songs, and based his whole early style on Phil's productions.
So, the Beatles heard Pet Sounds, and 'answered' it, with Revolver. Revolver had John's most personal lyrics, things like Norweigian Wood, and even had drum loops and things on it, in songs like Tommorow Never Knows. "Doctor Robert" aluded to drug use, George Harrison used Backwards Guitar on "I'm Only Sleeping", etc. etc. they really started the Psychedelic thing.
Brian heard "Revolver", and felt he had to 1-up it, again. So he released "Good Vibrations", which blew EVERYBODY away, and then started working on SMiLE, around the time the Beatles had begun work on "Sgt. Pepper's".
So it's not really them ripping each other off, they were just challenging and trying to outdo each other. Brian ultimately had a mental collapse and never finished SMiLE, the Beatles released "Sgt. Pepper's"to enormous critical acclaim, and the rest is history. People claim all kinds of shit, like that Paul ripped off the idea to reprise Sgt. Pepper's near the end of the album from Brian, since Brian was using themes that repeated all throughout the SMiLE album, and then they claimed that Paul again ripped Brian off when he recorded "Sgt. Pepper's" to flow from song to song, with no breaks in places, since that's how Brian was recording "SMiLE", then there's the modular recording techniques Brian pioneered with Good Vibrations, and SMiLE, that Paul & John used on the second side of Abbey Road, to link the tracks together.
Anyways, just thought I'd flesh out their relationship. They were all friends, although Brian & Paul were the only two that ever spent any time with each other. Paul wrote "Back In the U.S.S.R." as kind of a tribute in sorts to the Beach Boys. "Ooooh, those Ukraine Girls really Knock Me Out!" is kind of a take on "California Girls", "Come on, keep your Comerade Warm!" is a take on "The Northern Girls, with the way they kiss, they keep their boyfriends warm at night" from California Girls, etc.... and then in the background, you have the part you're probably talking about, the Beatles going "Oooooh, ooh WHOO OOOOH OOOH!" imitating the Beach Boys.
Another song is "Because" from Abbey Road. It's sang in like 12 part harmony, and I think was meant as a tribute to the Beach Boys as well.
So if you heard the Beatles sounding like the Beach Boys, it was probably either 'Here there and Everywhere", "Because", or "Back in the U.S.S.R.".
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Thanks for the information, made for a nice read. Found this website a few weeks back:
http://www.recmusicbeatles.com/public/files/awp/awp.html
You might find some of the stuff on there an interesting read.
Unfortunately, none of your suggestions are what I'm thinking of. It was the melody that made me think of a Beach Boys, if I remember rightly they were almost identical. Shit, perhaps I'm just making things up.
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whoa! thanx :o
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I Know another one you might be thinking of. The Beatles recorded "Rock & Roll Music", a Chuck Berry song, to close their first album... the Beach Boys not only recorded their own version of Rock & Roll Music in 1975, but in 1963, their "Surfin' USA" and a year later "Fun, Fun, Fun" both rip off Chuck Berry riffs, maybe that's it? "Surfin' U.S.A." is a copy of "Sweet Little Sixteen", and "Fun, Fun, Fun" steals the opening riff of 'Johnny B. Goode". The Beatles sang a version of "Johnny B. Goode", and I think there's a version of "Sweet Little Sixteen" that they did too, maybe on the BBC Album.
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I've heard those Chuck Berry covers and I'm sure it's not them. On the subject, The Beatles cover of Roll Over Beethoven is top notch. And Lennons voice on Twist & Shout is out of this world. The Johnny B Goode cover seems to be lacking in effort.
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trauma why do u talk about the beatles as if paul was the leader, i always figured lennon was, somewhat?
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trauma why do u talk about the beatles as if paul was the leader, i always figured lennon was, somewhat?
I'd consider John the leader in the early days (pre-Rubber Soul/Revolver) but after that it seemed like Paul took the lead. Look at how many Paul songs are on Sgt Pepper's, for example, as opposed to the number of lead John songs.
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trauma why do u talk about the beatles as if paul was the leader, i always figured lennon was, somewhat?
I'd consider John the leader in the early days (pre-Rubber Soul/Revolver) but after that it seemed like Paul took the lead. Look at how many Paul songs are on Sgt Pepper's, for example, as opposed to the number of lead John songs.
I kind of see it as a joint effort the whole way. What I know for sure is that John's solo stuff was far better than Paul's in my opinion.
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trauma why do u talk about the beatles as if paul was the leader, i always figured lennon was, somewhat?
I'd consider John the leader in the early days (pre-Rubber Soul/Revolver) but after that it seemed like Paul took the lead. Look at how many Paul songs are on Sgt Pepper's, for example, as opposed to the number of lead John songs.
I kind of see it as a joint effort the whole way. What I know for sure is that John's solo stuff was far better than Paul's in my opinion.
I can see the both ways being plausible. I disagree with you on John's solo work, I've never felt it was that great. Maybe I'm crazy, I seem to be the only person to feel that way. However, I love Paul's solo work, even up to his last few albums (Flaming Pie, Run Devil Run, Driving Rain, Back In The US 2002).
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trauma why do u talk about the beatles as if paul was the leader, i always figured lennon was, somewhat?
It kind of depends on what you're talking about. John was the 'leader' in a lot of ways, but Paul was in a lot of ways, too. Two HUUUUUGE forces in music, John & Paul. Paul, for instance came up with the idea for the Let It Be, and Sgt. Pepper's albums. Paul came up with the Magical Mystery Tour. Paul came up with the idea of sequencing the second side of Abbey Road like that... You gotta remember a lot of John's ideas were pretty fucking crazy, so they didn't utilize a lot of his stuff in the later days, because it was just too out there. Look @ what he did after he left the Beatles. I've seen concerts where YOKO sat on a stool blindfolded, showing signs to the crowd that had words like "Think" and "Wait" on them.
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trauma why do u talk about the beatles as if paul was the leader, i always figured lennon was, somewhat?
I'd consider John the leader in the early days (pre-Rubber Soul/Revolver) but after that it seemed like Paul took the lead. Look at how many Paul songs are on Sgt Pepper's, for example, as opposed to the number of lead John songs.
I kind of see it as a joint effort the whole way. What I know for sure is that John's solo stuff was far better than Paul's in my opinion.
Exactly, John was gnarly solo.
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trauma why do u talk about the beatles as if paul was the leader, i always figured lennon was, somewhat?
It kind of depends on what you're talking about. John was the 'leader' in a lot of ways, but Paul was in a lot of ways, too. Two HUUUUUGE forces in music, John & Paul. Paul, for instance came up with the idea for the Let It Be, and Sgt. Pepper's albums. Paul came up with the Magical Mystery Tour. Paul came up with the idea of sequencing the second side of Abbey Road like that... You gotta remember a lot of John's ideas were pretty fucking crazy, so they didn't utilize a lot of his stuff in the later days, because it was just too out there. Look @ what he did after he left the Beatles. I've seen concerts where YOKO sat on a stool blindfolded, showing signs to the crowd that had words like "Think" and "Wait" on them.
lol that made me chuckle, ..