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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: acbaylove on May 01, 2005, 09:07:29 AM
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http://download.repubblica.it/doc/omissis.doc
That's the full uncensored document US Army has done about the Calipari (Italian 007 agent) killed in a set-up. You can clearly see the name of the guy who killed Calipari, and all the things Americans didnt want to show. I'm really in a FUCK-US ARMY mood! I'm really pissed off! They killed a man, but they aint men enought to admit it, or to listen to our (alive) witnesses cause they know they fucked up.
BITCHES!! FUCK OMISSIS! FUCK OMERTA'! YOU KILLED OUR HERO CALIPARI! SHARE THE REAL DOCUMENT UNCENSORED!!!!!! THAT'S WORSE THAN USTICA AND CHERMIS!
I hope Italy will never be "friend" again with you bastards.
Out.
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woah, thats fucked
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lol they cant even censure their "secret" documents, morons!
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They killed a man, but they aint men enought to admit it
Wow, you must have read a different story then me, because i dont remember the US saying they didnt shoot the italian.
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C'mon man, they're saying tons of bullshit in that document. They said they have satelite images to prove everything, but they dont. They said the car was going too fast, but it wasnt. They said Italians didnt tell them about the mission, but we did and we have it recorded. They only interrogated US Marines as witnesses but they didnt even consider to talk with our own witnesses, they ones they shot and almost killed. We are the best allies they have in Europe together with England, they didnt have to act so arrogant like that. Shit is it to difficult to blame a general and to send him to jail? Shit! They'd rather loose a great alliance rather than sending the guy responsable for the death of an italian medal of honor to jail? You so bastards? You so hypocrites? I've lost all my respect for the US Army and the United States. Period.
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C'mon man, they're saying tons of bullshit in that document. They said they have satelite images to prove everything, but they dont. They said the car was going too fast, but it wasnt. They said Italians didnt tell them about the mission, but we did and we have it recorded. They only interrogated US Marines as witnesses but they didnt even consider to talk with our own witnesses, they ones they shot and almost killed. We are the best allies they have in Europe together with England, they didnt have to act so arrogant like that. Shit is it to difficult to blame a general and to send him to jail? Shit! They'd rather loose a great alliance rather than sending the guy responsable for the death of an italian medal of honor to jail? You so bastards? You so hypocrites? I've lost all my respect for the US Army and the United States. Period.
you mean they should have talked to the italian witnesses that said that they were going slow, they had no idea a roving unit was in the area and that it was an assassination attempt on this 50 year old woman that no one really gives a shit about?
i don't think they would have gotten too far
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Don't make it a joke, please. Yes. They had to, basically because their version aint even close to the truth. We have our witnesses (one is the high ranking secret agent we have in Italy, a guy we trust to death, the other one is the female journalist kidnapped who is still on the wheelchair because of the shooting, and another one is an agent who has a lung removed), and they didnt even interrogated them. Basically they interrogated the guys who shot them all and the general responsable for the lack of communication with the mobile patrol. Wow! And, guess what? They said they aint guilty!! Nobody!! Wow! Scaring, uh? It was been a "fatal accident" because we didnt communicate them the mission. Which is 101% bullshit. 1- we have it recorded on a tape and they didnt even wanted to hear it, lol, and 2- we was waiting in the 101% US Army controlled airport with an italian airplane, a giant one, lol. how the fuck was it possible for us to have an italian airplane there waiting for us and at the same time Americans didnt know we were there? Was the airplane invisible or what? Is it so easy to have an infiltrated airplane in the most controlled airport in Iraq? C'mon.. you know that's bullshit! Nobody is saying Americans wanted to kill them, but there was been an homicide and 2 other people were almost killed, it's impossible that it's our fault. Somebody didnt communicate the mobile patrol that we was there. He has to pay for the homicide. Our witnesses said they dont even want to send the soldier who shot them to jail, since he's a "victim" of this war too, but we want the truth. Which is not that the car was going too fast and all their other bullshit. They're protecting a general. That's omertà. And they're doing it not with their enemies, but with their allies. lol c'mon, to justify that bullshit documents they said they have everything showed by a "secret" satelite! rofl! and where is the video? could we see it please?
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This is just nationlism. Humans will not advance until they realize we are citizens of the world.
Antonio said very little while the US military murdered 100,000 Iraqi's, yet now he is outraged that he has lost his own in the same violent, imperialistic agenda that has killed so many before.
The chickens have came home to roost in Italy. The Italian military has supported America in this war with a large deployment of troops, now one of their own has been killed in this senseless violence that kills dozens of people everyday in Iraq.
Maybe these Italians like Antonio (if so, I apologize) have been against the war since the beggining. But as for the people who are only now raising their voices, the outrage needs to be against US transgressions across the board, and not just when it takes one of their own.
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so why did they had to kill him?
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Im not saying this is not fucked up or anything to that degree.
But, I have to reveal that you never really said negative things for shit about the US Army, war or Bush or whatever.
Yet, of course, they did a lot of shit fucked up enough to be angry about it. That's not an opinon of mine. That's a fact.
Still, you havent said shit. You argued against me sometime or the other, I think.
Now, they kill one person of your national kind, and this happens.
What I said isnt a comment on anything for that matter, I just said what the fuck is up. No statement or personal opinion involved. I leave it up to the individuals.. what they wanna think or not think about that phenomenon.
p.s.: of course this is fd up, of course I still say 'fuck the US foreign policy and the bush administration, fuck everyone who voted for him etc etc etc.. Im just sayin.. you know
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http://download.repubblica.it/doc/omissis.doc
That's the full uncensored document US Army has done about the Calipari (Italian 007 agent) killed in a set-up. You can clearly see the name of the guy who killed Calipari, and all the things Americans didnt want to show. I'm really in a FUCK-US ARMY mood! I'm really pissed off! They killed a man, but they aint men enought to admit it, or to listen to our (alive) witnesses cause they know they fucked up.
BITCHES!! FUCK OMISSIS! FUCK OMERTA'! YOU KILLED OUR HERO CALIPARI! SHARE THE REAL DOCUMENT UNCENSORED!!!!!! THAT'S WORSE THAN USTICA AND CHERMIS!
I hope Italy will never be "friend" again with you bastards.
Out.
Now don't you feel bad for joining the coalition and sending spies :)
You guys got played.
He then focused his green laser pointer onto the windshield of the car as it reached the Alert Line.
Does that mean green light or green zone ? lmao @ high school dropouts.
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This is just nationlism. Humans will not advance until they realize we are citizens of the world.
Antonio said very little while the US military murdered 100,000 Iraqi's, yet now he is outraged that he has lost his own in the same violent, imperialistic agenda that has killed so many before.
The chickens have came home to roost in Italy. The Italian military has supported America in this war with a large deployment of troops, now one of their own has been killed in this senseless violence that kills dozens of people everyday in Iraq.
Maybe these Italians like Antonio (if so, I apologize) have been against the war since the beggining. But as for the people who are only now raising their voices, the outrage needs to be against US transgressions across the board, and not just when it takes one of their own.
No. I've said it a couple of times but i understand that probably Bush said unaccurate things about our mission (just to have another ally fighting the same enemy), so it's hard for you to know the truth. Anyway we wasnt there when the "real" (i mean the official) war was fought. We just gave US Army the authorization to flight over Italy and to use their basis, like every NATO Nation did. But it doesnt mean we supported/fought the war. We went in Iraq AFTER the war was "won", with our troops of peace-keeping. We're arguably one of the best nations in the world in these kind of missions, and the 3rd in the world for the numer of soldiers who are operating right now in peace-keeping missions (in Kossovo, Somalia, Afgh, etc). But we didnt fight Iraqi. Not a single Iraqi was been killed by us, while it's true the opposite: we've lost more than 20 lifes to protect/help them. We're there because ONU asked us to be there. Once i've said that, let me add 85% of Italians are against the war since day 1, and that i care about Iraqi. But this topic is on a whole different "level". We're not talking about the simple death of a man, but about international relationships between two "friend" nations who are about to froze. We're talking about political things. We're talking about the fact US Government lied to Italian Government to protect the responsables of the death of an Italian medal of honor. We're talking about the fact Italy was the only real "friend" US have in Europe other than England right now, and now he probably only has England left. We're talking about a political disaster.
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so why did they had to kill him?
It was an accident, nobody is said it was something different than that, but it doesnt mean there are no responsables or that it's us to be responsable for the death of Calipari and for the shooting. You know what i mean? Our high ranking military officer in Iraq told US colleague in the airport about our mission, but the US responsable didnt communicate it to the mobile patrol. So the mobile patrol didnt know the car was full of italians. So they shot it. Who's responsable in your opinion? The people in the car or the general who didnt tell the patrol we was coming in a car exactly in that moment? You choose.
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Now don't you feel bad for joining the coalition and sending spies :)
You guys got played.
Actually our 007 were there to rescue our kidnapped journalist, not to spy Iraqi soldiers. ::)
Even French have 007 there to try to rescue their other kidnapped journalist.
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Im not saying this is not fucked up or anything to that degree.
But, I have to reveal that you never really said negative things for shit about the US Army, war or Bush or whatever.
Yet, of course, they did a lot of shit fucked up enough to be angry about it. That's not an opinon of mine. That's a fact.
Still, you havent said shit. You argued against me sometime or the other, I think.
Now, they kill one person of your national kind, and this happens.
What I said isnt a comment on anything for that matter, I just said what the fuck is up. No statement or personal opinion involved. I leave it up to the individuals.. what they wanna think or not think about that phenomenon.
p.s.: of course this is fd up, of course I still say 'fuck the US foreign policy and the bush administration, fuck everyone who voted for him etc etc etc.. Im just sayin.. you know
I was against the war in the first place, but once the war was won, i supported Italian mission. Which is a peace-keeping mission, like i said. And where we didnt kill a single Iraqi guy. It's totally a different thing than saying i supported Bush or the war and now i'm crying. We have doctors, Italian Red Cross, volounteers, Police and like 1000 soldiers there (who are building streets, helping Iraqi Police and protecting our volounteers).
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Now don't you feel bad for joining the coalition and sending spies :)
You guys got played.
Actually our 007 were there to rescue our kidnapped journalist, not to spy Iraqi soldiers. ::)
Even French have 007 there to try to rescue their other kidnapped journalist.
Nah they sent some non-heros ;D too.
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It was an accident, nobody is said it was something different than that, but it doesnt mean there are no responsables or that it's us to be responsable for the death of Calipari and for the shooting. You know what i mean? Our high ranking military officer in Iraq told US colleague in the airport about our mission, but the US responsable didnt communicate it to the mobile patrol. So the mobile patrol didnt know the car was full of italians. So they shot it. Who's responsable in your opinion? The people in the car or the general who didnt tell the patrol we was coming in a car exactly in that moment? You choose.
in my opion the general is responsable. he didnt do his job right.. because of him fuckin up they got shot..
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It was an accident, nobody is said it was something different than that, but it doesnt mean there are no responsables or that it's us to be responsable for the death of Calipari and for the shooting. You know what i mean? Our high ranking military officer in Iraq told US colleague in the airport about our mission, but the US responsable didnt communicate it to the mobile patrol. So the mobile patrol didnt know the car was full of italians. So they shot it. Who's responsable in your opinion? The people in the car or the general who didnt tell the patrol we was coming in a car exactly in that moment? You choose.
in my opion the general is responsable. he didnt do his job right.. because of him fuckin up they got shot..
That's what i'm saying. That's what Italy is saying. US is saying it's us to blame cause the car was going too fast (which is a lie, but even if it's true it doesnt change a thing). lol a big Jumbo airplane was waiting for the car in the US-controlled-airport and they wanna try to say they didnt know about our mission? lol. why was an italian Jumbo there? Their documents are so arrogant and stupid that it aint even funny. It's cristalline how they are lying. Too much cristalline to hide the truth.
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I've lost all my respect for the US Army and the United States. Period.
lol
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I've lost all my respect for the US Army and the United States. Period.
lol
Yeah. United States (i mean US Government, of course) because of they way they're politically handling this accident, loosing Italian friendship and having the whole Europe (but England) against them at the moment, and US Army because they aint men enought to send one of their generals to jail even if it's cristalline he made a mistake and he's responsable for the death of an italian medal of honor. Shit that general is still there, in Iraq, and he'll probably get a medal too. Isnt it hypocrite?
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But that's not even the first and only example of US Army acting this way. I talked about Chermis, in my first post. Do a research and read how US handled it. Or do a research about Ustica.
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Boo this fuckin clown Antonio!
i aint never heard this little kid speak up until some whopper gets it in Iraq,
ahh fuck that intelligence officer who died, fuck your SISMI, and shit, fuck u
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Damn you made a very deep post, King. I'm impressed. You should be proud of it, for real: it's very "islamic". Shit i consider myself a very lucky guy now, cause my head is still over the neck and you aint beheading me to defend your Iraqi guys. Hold on.. defend by who? By Americans or Italians? Or both? Or from the whole world? Shit, you are a little bit confused, King. Please go play Nintendo.
If somebody writes "GO US ARMY! GO BUSH" then he's a moron.
If somebody writes "FUCK THE US ARMY! FUCK BUSH!" he's still a moron.
If you say "FUCK THE US ARMY! FUCK BUSH!" then Allah is kissing your ass. Very intelligent, yeah.
Not to mention the fact that i spent a lot of post trying to argue with you all, and nobody had a post so dumb like your. Shit it's gotta be real what people say: that you are arguably the dumber people in this forum. ::)
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Hold on, let me try to add a thing. You aint different from me, moron! You're trying to say that the life of a guy aint important just cause he's italian, and cause italian didnt stop Bush from doing his war. If i say i dont care about Iraqi guys, then where's the difference? You dont care about us, why should i care about you? You should be 10 years old for real, trying to justify the death of a man by the simple fact i didnt made this post 2-3 months ago. WHAT THE FUCK? Are you that stupid? And you are so ignorant you dont even know Italy didnt fight this war! Mmmm... fuck it, i'm wasting my time with you. Bye.
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Ok i understand that an italian died, but in all honest what is the big deal?
Why the hell are you sucking this guys dick so much? You get upset over this one death when...
tens of thousands of innocent iraqis have died, over 1,500 americans have died (not mention british soldier deaths), and military is destroying iraqi buildings/houses with their bombs.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050429/pl_afp/italyusiraqsatellite_050429162837;_ylt=Arjg3cLaI9SskuMfdpXZv8GsOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
WASHINGTON (AFP) - A US satellite reportedly recorded a checkpoint shooting in Iraq last month, enabling investigators to reconstruct how fast a car carrying a top Italian intelligence official and a freed hostage was traveling when US troops opened fire.
The report, which aired Thursday on CBS News, said US investigators concluded from the recording that the car was traveling at a speed of more than 60 miles (96 km) per hour.
Giuliana Sgrena has said the car was traveling at a normal speed of about 30 miles an hour when the soldiers opened fired, wounding her and killing Nicola Calipari, the Italian agent who had just secured her release from a month's captivity.
US soldiers said at the time of the March 4 incident that the car approached at a high rate of speed and that they fired only after it failed to respond to hand signals, flashing bright lights and warning shots.
The conflicting accounts were among a number of differences that have prevented US and Italian authorities from reaching agreement on what happened.
CBS, citing Pentagon officials, said the satellite recording enabled investigators to reconstruct the event without having to rely on the eyewitness accounts.
It said the soldiers manning the checkpoint first spotted the Italian car when it was 137 yards (meters) away. By the time they opened fire and brought the car to a halt, it was 46 yards (meters) away. CBS said that happened in less than three seconds, which meant the car had to be going over 60 miles an hour.
CBS said Italian investigators refused to accept that the Americans were justified in shooting so quickly, arguing among other things that the checkpoint was not properly marked
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you are arguably the dumber people in this forum. ::)
brilliant Antonio, simply brilliant
PS Phuck U Too
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Ok i understand that an italian died, but in all honest what is the big deal?
Why the hell are you sucking this guys dick so much? You get upset over this one death when...
tens of thousands of innocent iraqis have died, over 1,500 americans have died (not mention british soldier deaths), and military is destroying iraqi buildings/houses with their bombs.
So i shouldnt do a topic about an italian medal of honor simply because 1,500 americans have died and thousands of Iraqi have died? Man, that's a topic 99% political and 1% about the death of this man. Anyway.. just to make it clear:
Iraqi killed by Italians: 0
Italian civils killed by Iraqi: 5
Italian civils kidnapped by Iraqi: 8
Italian Carabinieri (police) killed by Iraqi: 23
Italian agents killed by US: 1
You dissed me when i talked about the 8 italians kidnapped, before. You dissed me when i talked about the Nassyryah massacre. You're dissing me about this topic. I understand you dont give a fuck about those "small" numbers, but i do. If you aint interested there's no need to reply like that moron King Tech did, dissing me. Simply skip this topic.
Hold on, i'll change the topic title so you'll not be forced to patriottical defend your soldiers. Ok?
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What's the point of this? To state that you dissapprove of how the US handles things? Isn't it obvious that a lot of people don't particularly like how the United States Government "takes care" of situations. But I'm sure that your government would do (or has done) the same thing as what America is doing now. No one likes to admitt that they were wrong or at fault. True, America seems to take that concept to extremes, but you'd be lying to yourself if you thought your country didn't do the same.
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What's the point of this? To state that you dissapprove of how the US handles things? Isn't it obvious that a lot of people don't particularly like how the United States Government "takes care" of situations. But I'm sure that your government would do (or has done) the same thing as what America is doing now. No one likes to admitt that they were wrong or at fault. True, America seems to take that concept to extremes, but you'd be lying to yourself if you thought your country didn't do the same.
I dont know, man. The USA is the only country i know who sistematically refuse to let his people be judged by foreign judges. They always refuse to collaborate with foreign investigations and they never punishes their soldiers who commits crimes against foreign people. I'm talking about Chermis (10+ italian civils killed by a US fighter), for example. Or this SISMI agent killed. Or Ustica (a DC9 probably destroyed by a US fighter). That's something i dont accept. Italy doesnt have this attitude. But the thing i cant accept is that they believe that to protect a general is safer than to collaborate with their only ally in Europe: totally wrong! Well.. who cares anyway! You're right. In 2006 Berlusconi will be 100% defeated in the next elections and the anti-american left wing will say GAME OVER to the alliance between USA and Italy.
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i never much cared for berlusconi, altho most of the italians i know seemed to love him... it doesnt seem realistic to say he will be defeated.
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LMAO. Man he just resigned, his Government had a big crisis, he asked for a new mandate called Berlusconi-bis with a new Government and new ministers, and he said that probably in the next election he'll not be a candidate again. Plus the day after the Pope died, we've have regional elections here in Italy, and 12 regions went to the left wing while just 2 went to Berlusconi's party. It's 90% sure he'll not be re-elected. And the left-wing in Italy (let's say in Europe) is very anti-american. Berlusconi, like Blair, is paying for his alliance with Americans, and Americans will lost a good ally, here in Europe. Now Spain has Zapatero who aint an ally, Italy will have Prodi who's no way an ally, France and Germany are no way allies, Belgium and The Netherlands are no allies.. the only one left is Blair, but he'll never do a dumb move like supporting Bush again. Congrats.
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Are you still crying man? Grow up. How do u expect us to give a shit about one italian dead spy when we're debating the war itself, and the civilian/troop casualties, and the geo poltical consequences etc etc??
Annoying as hell.
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I'm talking about geo political consequences of the breaking of the alliance with Italy, moron. The only country who's still down for Bush in Europe with England. But you are so stupid that you didnt even read the topic. Shut up for real.
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lol
what consequences?
Besloscuni suckin Bushes dick because he wants intl brownie points cuz he aint gettin shit at home
European support of Bush doesnt revolve around Italy. This new incident doesnt mean shit. it doesnt tell us anything we already dont know. Your country and your crying is irrelevent.
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Oh sure. We will see in 12 months when Berlusconi will go home and nobody will support Bush in Europe.
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P.S. Yesterday your President, mr. Bush, who obviously cares more than you about this geopolitical shit, called Berlusconi on the phone praising him not to break the friendship and calling 4 times Calipari a real "hero". You are an hypocrite King, cause you are trying to make it like i'm the one paranoid, but that's a real fucked up situation cause 2 days ago it was Condoliza Rice who called our Secretary of State on the phone, and yesterday it was Bush. Today the US ambassador in Rome will visit Berlusconi and in the next days Rice will probably come here in Italy trying to fix this shit.
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^ Who gives a fuck? I care fuck all if any of you respect my country or it's army. You're acting like we care what the international community thinks. Nobody gives a shit if they lost their alliance with Italy. It was great to have yall along, but you act like we're fucked if we dont' have you on our side. From the sounds of it, the way your guys drive and act, we dont' need them over there causing trouble anyways. You come over, get kidnapped, get shot up, have to save yourselves with our help, and then bitch when 1 of you gets killed in the process.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: This is WAR. The most horrible thing mankind has ever known. We're killing innocent people, we're killing people on our own side, we're killing our soldiers, their soldiers, we've killed the two princes of the country, we're bombing people's houses, we're killing children, women, men, animals, anything that moves. DEATH, DESTRUCTION, HELL, WAR, EVIL.
This is what we're doing in Iraq. If you don't have the intestinal fortitude it takes to stand with that, then get the fuck out of the way, we're busy murdering people. We're not going to go over there and check id's before we shoot you in the head. We're shooting EVERYBODY, hell we've even shot ourselves. This is hell, welcome to it. It's War! What do you expect? This isn't a computer game, it's straight evil.
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Berlusconi is by far the biggest asshole in European politics. Basically that's the reason why he likes Bush. I don't think this will break the relationship, cause Berlusconi is a fucking Stan.
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^ exactly this incident changes nothin
1. its not the first time Americans flaunt intl convention
2. not the first time Americans killed some one by accident at a check point
3. not the first time america refused to condemn their own troops or fault them
4. not the first incident of European disagreement with US
the only significance of this is that it was a whopper spy who got merked....and that gots u cryin.,...and that gots me sayin who gives a shit
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^ Who gives a fuck? I care fuck all if any of you respect my country or it's army. You're acting like we care what the international community thinks. Nobody gives a shit if they lost their alliance with Italy. It was great to have yall along, but you act like we're fucked if we dont' have you on our side. From the sounds of it, the way your guys drive and act, we dont' need them over there causing trouble anyways.
The last time i checked this board it wasnt a US ONLY board, but a TRAIN OF THOUGHT one. Basically I dont give a fuck you dont give a fuck about it, get it? I made a topic to share my feelings about this accident and the way US is handling it, PERIOD. But it's funny how everytimes somebody criticize your Country you all are ready to pull the trigger against the "enemy". Relax. If you care about this accident then let's discuss about it in a civil way, if yuo dont, then i dont care about your opinion too. This is just a small topic, actually the only one i've made in months. I'm a really small contributor for this section of the board, but that's what i had to say, and that's what i said, 100% emotional. You should understand it. We aint Americans. We dont fight a war per decade like you all.
You come over, get kidnapped, get shot up, have to save yourselves with our help, and then bitch when 1 of you gets killed in the process.
That's why you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: This is WAR. The most horrible thing mankind has ever known. We're killing innocent people, we're killing people on our own side, we're killing our soldiers, their soldiers, we've killed the two princes of the country, we're bombing people's houses, we're killing children, women, men, animals, anything that moves. DEATH, DESTRUCTION, HELL, WAR, EVIL.
This is what we're doing in Iraq. If you don't have the intestinal fortitude it takes to stand with that, then get the fuck out of the way, we're busy murdering people. We're not going to go over there and check id's before we shoot you in the head. We're shooting EVERYBODY, hell we've even shot ourselves. This is hell, welcome to it. It's War! What do you expect? This isn't a computer game, it's straight evil.
I'm a lawyer. I expect justice. And there are no excuses for justice.
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^ exactly this incident changes nothin
1. its not the first time Americans flaunt intl convention
2. not the first time Americans killed some one by accident at a check point
3. not the first time america refused to condemn their own troops or fault them
4. not the first incident of European disagreement with US
the only significance of this is that it was a whopper spy who got merked....and that gots u cryin.,...and that gots me sayin who gives a shit
You're right, that's not a big deal for the world. But i was shocked by this news because they showed everything on tv, live.
All of a sudden they announched the journalist was free.
Immagine the whole Country celebrating it.
You know, parties, celebrations, everybody was happy.
15 minutes later it was a drama.
It was emotional.
Shocking.
I simply posted my feelings about it.
Period.