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Title: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop....
Post by: Maestro Minded on July 26, 2002, 04:00:08 PM
Faboulous - Don't Need To Explain
Ja Rule - He Raps Better Than He Sings, & He Raps Wacker Than Faboulous
Eminem - For Representin & Expanding "Hip-Pop" (people gonna hate on me now)
Nelly - For Representing & Expanding "Hip-Pop"
Ludacris -  For Representing & Expanding "Hip-Pop"
Master P - For Starting No Limit Records
JD - For Starting To Rap
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: HBKid_Jr on July 26, 2002, 04:39:22 PM
funny but 2 of them guys got a lot more talent than what snoop has now.  
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Tecknine on July 26, 2002, 04:42:16 PM
2-Pac was the same shit as Eminem is now...He popular but no way is his contents pop.
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: .:R-E-L:. on July 26, 2002, 04:46:19 PM
ludacris and eminem dont be long there
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: King-Suge on July 26, 2002, 05:04:48 PM
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funny but 2 of them guys got a lot more talent than what snoop has now.  


What does Snoop Dogg have to do with this guys list?  Strange..  Anyways-Yes--Ludacris and Eminem have no right being on this list.  I mean-everyone is open to an opinion, but Eminem and Ludacris?  Thats just stupid.
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: HBKid_Jr on July 26, 2002, 05:07:30 PM
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What does Snoop Dogg have to do with this guys list?  Strange..  Anyways-Yes--Ludacris and Eminem have no right being on this list.  I mean-everyone is open to an opinion, but Eminem and Ludacris?  Thats just stupid.

jus curious by why do u bring up nas in half your post when he isnt mentioned.... hmmmm
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: LIL GUY on July 26, 2002, 05:41:56 PM
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE WITH THIS LIST.  TO HIP-HOP REPRESNTS A CULTURE NOT JUST A MUSIC AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE EMINEM AND LUDACRIS ON YOUR LIST.

WHEN MASTER P FIRST CAME OUT HE WAS SOMEONE WHO WAS REPIN THE SOUTH WITH RHYMES ABOUT THE PROJECTS & THE PROBLEMS WITH IT. I CAN ALWAYS RESPECT SOMEONE WHO SPEAKING ON REALITY BUT NOW MASTER P IS A FUKING JOKE.  I TURN WHEN I SEE ON MY TV SCREEN
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: P Nelson on July 26, 2002, 05:56:53 PM
so wak... lol
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Jome on July 26, 2002, 06:39:31 PM
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ludacris and eminem dont be long there

Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: kuniver on July 26, 2002, 07:58:19 PM
Fabolous is talented and Nelly is getting better, before i couldnt stand him, now im starting to feel his music.. Ja Rule is horrible, he deserves to be there, Eminem is still ill but he is kinda poppy with WITHOUT ME, and Ludacris is just fucking raw, hes not the bestrapper but his flow is just ill...   Master P was hard when he first came out and now hes stupid stupid, but ROCK THE BOAT is an alright song.. but i dont know, all of NO LIMIT was on RAP CITY and they were tearing shit up (no joke) and JD isnt the worse rapper, hes better than snoop right now, but then again idont know, snoop can make a comeback with PAID THE COST TO BETHE BOSS..
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on July 26, 2002, 11:35:24 PM
the only thing EM should be charged wit iz "taking hiphop to the next level:dimention-wise"+ he should be charged wit "showing how to be on point lyriclly without using played out cliche's" .
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Maestro Minded on July 27, 2002, 03:04:32 AM
lemme explain why eminem is hip-pop...

1. His rhymes n punches are aimed towards popstars

2. The majority of those who buy his albums also buys backstreet boys and britney spears... (thats fact... go to your cd-store and check how many kids picks up the eminem album... according toamazon.com, people who buys eminem cds also byys cds from nelly, ludacris and ja rule, all of them were on my list..

3. he do have some lyrical skills, but he's barley using them... most of the singles he've released have been a joke for hiphop...

4. he have a very annoying voice



lemme explain why ludacris is there...

1. i never liked him i guess ill never will..lyricly, he's aight.. but id dont like hid rsppin..and i definatly dont like any of his videos...he's also a pop-raper and have the same buyers as fabolous and ja rule (according to amazon.com)




Tom187.. if you wanna cee snoop as a pop-rapper, well its your call...



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2-Pac was the same shit as Eminem is now

hell muthafucking no.... 2pac never dissed popstars... he never made those funny childish videos to attract more kids to buy his shit, he nnever dissed the weaker peeps (popstars).. and when stronger mc's dissed him, he was quick to diss back... they dont have similar lyrics, they dont have similar attitudes... they dont have nothing similar exept that they are both rappers


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the only thing EM should be charged wit iz "taking hiphop to the next level:dimention-wise"+ he should be charged wit "showing how to be on point lyriclly without using played out cliche's" .

yeah right... :/
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Post by: D.R.E.-Dogg on July 27, 2002, 04:36:14 AM
I don't think the fact that kids buy somebodys album makes him pop.
Ludacris defently got his own style but I think his production is kinda wack but he's still a good rapper.
In a way I agree with Eminem's singels.
But there're betta tracks on his albums than those singels.
Concerning his voice, that's just taste, but I don't think a voice makes somebody pop neither.
I'm sure somebody who don't know Eazy and hear his voice wouldn't think he's one of the most important people in the history of Gangsta rap cause it's anything but the typical gangsta rap voice(if there is any typical voice).

I agree bout the rest
Nelly and Ja Rule are probably the biggest bitches of'em all.
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Maestro Minded on July 27, 2002, 04:52:50 AM
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I don't think the fact that kids buy somebodys album makes him pop.
Ludacris defently got his own style but I think his production is kinda wack but he's still a good rapper.
In a way I agree with Eminem's singels.
But there're betta tracks on his albums than those singels.
Concerning his voice, that's just taste, but I don't think a voice makes somebody pop neither.
I'm sure somebody who don't know Eazy and hear his voice wouldn't think he's one of the most important people in the history of Gangsta rap cause it's anything but the typical gangsta rap voice(if there is any typical voice).

I agree bout the rest
Nelly and Ja Rule are probably the biggest bitches of'em all.


i agree.. but i dont mean that its wrong to make kids buy the album... but when when the entire point with his singles are  to make kids to buy the album, then i consider him as pop... cuz eminem is mentined on the same sentence as biritney and nsync.... and eazy'z voice isnt bad.. i mean.. he aint got the dopest voice... but it doesnt hurts my ears... i cant even stand listen to eminems voice... he sounds like somebody ripped his balls of....¨


people might see me as a hater now, but i aint... i never make fun of eminem in every thread like the haters does... when eminem show came up and everybody were hype in wcc, i layed low and let yall have the fun.. .. when people ask me if i like eminem, i say that he aint my type of mc... so please dont start trippin and calling me hater... im just being real..
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: jay on July 27, 2002, 09:41:21 AM
i d put eminem into hip rock

ludacris doesn t necessarily belong here
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Maestro Minded on July 27, 2002, 09:51:32 AM
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i d put eminem into hip rock

ludacris doesn t necessarily belong here


ok.. ludacris doesnt neccesarly have to be there.. but eminem sticks there....

hip-rock... hm.. maby.... nah.. i cant imagine metallica feat eminem... but i can definatly imagine "Eminem feat Nelly & N'Sync"..
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Doggystylin on July 27, 2002, 10:01:52 AM
Eminem and Ludacris are dope IMO and i wouldnt put them on that list

Master P, he was tight before MP Da Last Don, so no he shouldnt be on there, he did a lot for hip hop.

JD? no he shouldnt be on that list, i know everyone was feelin somethin related to JD

Nelly?
Ja Rule?

now those 2 , you can bring up a lot on them so im not gonna say anything, even tho im not hating on them either
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: EastsideLBC on July 27, 2002, 10:38:04 AM
I dont think that Eminem belongs on that list or Ludacris but Ja Rule and Nelly hell yea! Eminem is poppy sometimes but at other times he can bring fire! Ludacris can also be poppy but he can also bring fire too! Ja and Nelly deserve to be on that list cause that are just str8 pop! Doing shit wit N'Sync and singing in songs and shit that is just str8 bubble gum poppy!!
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: ExZit on July 27, 2002, 11:00:07 AM
i totally agree about Eminem..


but i like JD... he makes nice beats... n he raps pretty good too... but he need to stop with that" uhuh...yeaa... c'mon" stuff...lol

i also like Master P.... his video "ohhweeee" is so funny... i mean... he is a complete joke.  ;D
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: topdogg187 on July 27, 2002, 11:14:12 AM
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jus curious by why do u bring up nas in half your post when he isnt mentioned.... hmmmm


yeah and its funny how u bring snoops name in every post and put him down in every post, and u claim not to be a hater  ::)
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Sikotic™ on July 28, 2002, 08:51:31 AM
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ludacris and eminem dont be long there


JD neither because even though his rappin is wack, he is still a dope producer. I wouldn't even list Ja Rule anymore, because he puts out decent stuff. It ain't his fault he a huge mainstream success.

Fuck the rest though lol
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: murderer on July 28, 2002, 08:54:03 AM
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2-Pac was the same shit as Eminem is now...He popular but no way is his contents pop.


just curious how could anyone compare eminem to 2pac??? first off regardless if theyre rappers, they were COMPLETELY 2 different people from 2 different backgrounds. they have different styles, different lyrics, different flow, different voice, etc. etc. etc. come on man, i know you must be a big fan of eminem, but don't compare that whack ass fool to the GOAT. and to answer to your question, yes they were both popular but look at their content, pac didn't give a fuck about MTV and stayed real and did what he wanted to do, but for eminem he cares about MTV and he has to make singles and songs that MTV would like, not because he likes them.

-murderer
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: bez on July 28, 2002, 09:43:25 AM
I dont think there shud be n e body on that list.  Every rapper has there own voice everyone has there own styles and everyone is just doing their own thing.  

Sure Ja Rule and nelly are commerical but dam they are selling and they are making money.  And I have Pain is Love and Country Grammar in my collection.  

Fuck the list.
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Real_G on July 28, 2002, 11:41:40 AM
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I dont think there shud be n e body on that list.  Every rapper has there own voice everyone has there own styles and everyone is just doing their own thing.  

Sure Ja Rule and nelly are commerical but dam they are selling and they are making money.  And I have Pain is Love and Country Grammar in my collection.  

Fuck the list.


Thats the thing, Fuck money they shouldnt make bullshit singles just to sell records. Eminem is perfect example of this. Every time he makes a new cd he always has this really bad single out. we all know what songs im talkin about. My name is, real slim shady, purple pills, without me. Now if im not mistaken hes gone platinum every time so why does he care if he has a #1 single? He should make a video for an actully good song becuase he has enough fans that he'll go platinum no matter what. If he's so real why does he care if hes #1? He is talented and could make amazing songs yet he ruins so many rapping about the same things (pop stars, his mom, ex-wife) You guys complain about him not getting 5 mics but i could name so many reasons why he shouldnt have. And yes I think he deserves to be on that list. He makes poppy catchy singles and that is far from what real hip hop is.
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Post by: That_Cracka_J on July 28, 2002, 12:37:33 PM
Well, I disagree with Eminem...but Master P starting No Limit Records???  Come on, I know No Limit is wack now, but back in '96 and '97 it was the shit!
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 28, 2002, 09:32:40 PM
WTF?...I've had enough of your Eminem hating man...It's cuz he's white, huh?

Come on man, be honest...You're talking about how his single's are only aimed towards the mainstreem hip hop fan, yet you like Snoop? WTF is this I'm hearing about Snoop Dogg Produced by Neptunes, or Snoop Dogg Feat Ja Rule??!! How come you don't hate on Snoop for that?



Eminem is raw lyricist, he has a dope flow, and he expanded his content on "The Eminem Show"...You're saying you don't like Eminem because half of the people who like Em's music also like Nelly and Ja Rule...That's like me saying I dont like Rap because half of the people who like rap also listen too Pop...You're still complaining about how he disses pop stars, yet he only dissed one pop star on the WHOLE "Eminem Show"...You say you dont like his voice, yet you like DJ Quik and Eazy E...As a matter of fact, Eazy's voice is even squeekier than Eminems...Man, you can keep acting like you're not hating, but at the end of the day, u just are...PeAcE
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Post by: DJ_Jay_Deee on July 29, 2002, 12:17:49 AM
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WTF?...I've had enough of your Eminem hating man...It's cuz he's white, huh?

Come on man, be honest...You're talking about how his single's are only aimed towards the mainstreem hip hop fan, yet you like Snoop? WTF is this I'm hearing about Snoop Dogg Produced by Neptunes, or Snoop Dogg Feat Ja Rule??!! How come you don't hate on Snoop for that?


Eminem is raw lyricist, he has a dope flow, and he expanded his content on "The Eminem Show"...You're saying you don't like Eminem because half of the people who like Em's music also like Nelly and Ja Rule...That's like me saying I dont like Rap because half of the people who like rap also listen too Pop...You're still complaining about how he disses pop stars, yet he only dissed one pop star on the WHOLE "Eminem Show"...You say you dont like his voice, yet you like DJ Quik and Eazy E...As a matter of fact, Eazy's voice is even squeekier than Eminems...Man, you can keep acting like you're not hating, but at the end of the day, u just are...PeAcE

Word. Thats the truth right there.
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Maestro Minded on July 29, 2002, 01:07:48 AM
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WTF?...I've had enough of your Eminem hating man...It's cuz he's white, huh?

Come on man, be honest...You're talking about how his single's are only aimed towards the mainstreem hip hop fan, yet you like Snoop? WTF is this I'm hearing about Snoop Dogg Produced by Neptunes, or Snoop Dogg Feat Ja Rule??!! How come you don't hate on Snoop for that?



Eminem is raw lyricist, he has a dope flow, and he expanded his content on "The Eminem Show"...You're saying you don't like Eminem because half of the people who like Em's music also like Nelly and Ja Rule...That's like me saying I dont like Rap because half of the people who like rap also listen too Pop...You're still complaining about how he disses pop stars, yet he only dissed one pop star on the WHOLE "Eminem Show"...You say you dont like his voice, yet you like DJ Quik and Eazy E...As a matter of fact, Eazy's voice is even squeekier than Eminems...Man, you can keep acting like you're not hating, but at the end of the day, u just are...PeAcE


the best thing would be if you actually could read the content of the thread before replying...

the argument you casted was reason number 2 and 4 to why eminem is murdering hiphop... and yes... by watching with other albums the eminems buyers also buys, youcann tell witch type of person they are... in this case: kids and peope under 16... u can check this with your nearest cd-store, im not playing...


i dont know what u think... but i LOVE dj quiks voice... and eazy'z voice :-/ .. but his lyrics was straight raw..... in an old thread i already explained why i dont liked eminems latest album, he's feignin all the time, that means his lyrics.. and ive already said that his 3:rd album was his biggest efort, cuz the first 2 were straight garbage... .. calling me a hater only cause i dont like your biggest idol is ignorant... if i were i hater, how come you never see's me trashing eminem threads he way tom187 is trashing snoop threads? ... i hater dont keep his hatred for himself, his expressing it on every opportuniny he have, so if i was a hater y'all would have noticed it when wcc had tons of eminem show thread and everybody were hyped... so please, again.. dont call me hater...


i hope it doesnt get a Snoop feat Ja Rule, and if you check the neptunes-thread, you will cee that im gainst the snoop and  neptunes collabo.... BUT, i gotta say that the neptunes sometimes produce DOPE beats, and if i realise that snoop got one of the dope beats, ill eat my words...

concerning ja rule... fuck him...


like i say, i know things would be heated...... but hey.. i just wanna share my opinion

Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on July 29, 2002, 04:10:52 AM
Ok this is what I truelly think of this whole arguement:

Em is an an outstanding,amazing, groundbreaking MC- and NO, not because of the topics and contents he talks about and discusses in his raps(simply becuase this isn't the creteria by which rappers\mcz should be judged, it's his choice to talk about whatever he wants to, if anyone doesn't agree wit it, it showes how censouring and closed minded he is towards Em) but mainlly cause of the next reasons:

1.Totally amazing 7d-cinematism he can make u see tha shit he talks about (much like Biggie used to work in his day) examples: The amazing storytelling joints "Stan", "Kim"

2. Lyricism- straight up heater, using prolly some of the sharpest (and yea.. most hillarious),on point(yet sometimes seeminglly far) assosiations, smillies and punches while mantaining a structural focus.

3. flow and delivery- prolly one of the most versitile flowes ever+ his delivery is so on point all throughout tracks that Im sometimes starting to doubt he is human(..lollol) and take into consideration he is one of those mcz who covers many vocal paterns of delivery so it would show real bad if he wasn't as "in control" delivery-wise as they come.

4. energy- not many(u could prolly count them on yo 10 fingaz) rappers who are as energetic while also being up there wit all the previous creteriaz.

now, as for singles, that as the homie I-BO said are aimed towards a very particular target audience of people, well, Does the fact someone buys yo shit mean right away he is yo target audience? ..I dont think that some groupie, who listens to Em cause he's a star now, cause he is aclaimed, talked about and controversial content-wise, is considered a hiphop head, no one thinks so, true heads know exactlly what Em is(- one of the best rappers to ever come up to the game) .but this is what mainstreem-crossover sucsess means to rappers(dat's how new people get into hiphop as well btw...but aside of this) This don't mean he is any less of an MC- it never did.what he sells has lil to do wit his quallity.
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Maestro Minded on July 29, 2002, 04:24:14 AM
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Ok this is what I truelly think of this whole arguement:

Em is an an outstanding,amazing, groundbreaking MC- and NO, not because of the topics and contents he talks about and discusses in his raps(simply becuase this isn't the creteria by which rappers\mcz should be judged, it's his choice to talk about whatever he wants to, if anyone doesn't agree wit it, it showes how censouring and closed minded he is towards Em) but mainlly cause of the next reasons:

1.Totally amazing 7d-cinematism he can make u see tha shit he talks about (much like Biggie used to work in his day) examples: The amazing storytelling joints "Stan", "Kim"

2. Lyricism- straight up heater, using prolly some of the sharpest (and yea.. most hillarious),on point(yet sometimes seeminglly far) assosiations, smillies and punches while mantaining a structural focus.

3. flow and delivery- prolly one of the most versitile flowes ever+ his delivery is so on point all throughout tracks that Im sometimes starting to doubt he is human(..lollol) and take into consideration he is one of those mcz who covers many vocal paterns of delivery so it would show real bad if he wasn't as "in control" delivery-wise as they come.

4. energy- not many(u could prolly count them on yo 10 fingaz) rappers who are as energetic while also being up there wit all the previous creteriaz.

now, as for singles, that as the homie I-BO said are aimed towards a very particular target audience of people, well, Does the fact someone buys yo shit mean right away he is yo target audience? ..I dont think that some groupie, who listens to Em cause he's a star now, cause he is aclaimed, talked about and controversial content-wise, is considered a hiphop head, no one thinks so, true heads know exactlly what Em is(- one of the best rappers to ever come up to the game) .but this is what mainstreem-crossover sucsess means to rappers(dat's how new people get into hiphop as well btw...but aside of this) This don't mean he is any less of an MC- it never did.what he sells has lil to do wit his quallity.


according to you he's probably the best rapper ever lived.... according to you he have the best flow, bst carisma, and best in everything else you wrote, atleast ´by reading your rates... "amazing 7d-cinematism he can make u see tha shit he talks about ....".... Lyricism- straight up heater, using prolly some of the sharpest (and yea.. most hillarious),on point.... one of those mcz who covers many vocal paterns of delivery...

ill just point out that if somebody wrote that about nas, jayz, snoop, kurupt, crooked i  or somebody else, we would eazily consider him as a dickryder...

Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on July 29, 2002, 04:39:00 AM
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ill just point out that if somebody wrote that about nas, jayz, snoop, kurupt, crooked i  or somebody else, we would eazily consider him as a dickryder...



well, I dunno if he is Thee Best ever but he's surelly one ofem and this is just being objective,
as for saying it about nas,jay,snoop or crooked I would make one look like a dickrider,.<<<prolly and simply cause each of these dudes(no metter how much love I got to each and every one of them) lacks at some of these creterias or at least doesn't hit up to the same spot as EM at these creterias.
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Maestro Minded on July 29, 2002, 05:30:06 AM
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well, I dunno if he is Thee Best ever but he's surelly one ofem and this is just being objective,
as for saying it about nas,jay,snoop or crooked I would make one look like a dickrider,.<<<prolly and simply cause each of these dudes(no metter how much love I got to each and every one of them) lacks at some of these creterias or at least doesn't hit up to the same spot as EM at these creterias.


well... i guess i know your opinion concerning the skills of eminem now
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on July 29, 2002, 06:13:41 AM
Guess so  :D..lol
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: budsmokeronly on July 29, 2002, 06:22:37 AM
I agree with you 99% IBO.  The only part I don't agree on really is Master P.  Yeah his music is wack, but it was decent in the mid 90's.  He helped a hell of a lot of black people out.  Many of the rappers on his label probably wouldn't be living too good of lives if it wasn't for P.  And he helped pave the way for independent labels.  And he got Snoop out of the Death Row mess.  But all those others are ruining rap.  I give credit to eminem though, cause he has talent, but I think he is highly overrated.
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: 40oz GRApHire on July 29, 2002, 10:22:10 AM
I agree with I-Bo
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Big BpG on July 29, 2002, 10:30:44 AM
Eminem is not a pop star...

why is he popular?

cause he is the best rapper right now...

-Big BpG

p.s.    ludacris doesn't deserve to be there either...
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Tecknine on July 29, 2002, 10:36:33 AM
I am not comparing the styles of Pac and Em i am comparing Fan Bases...Tupac had bout as many teeny bitches jocking him as Em does..
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Real_G on July 29, 2002, 10:40:33 AM
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Eminem is not a pop star...

why is he popular?

cause he is the best rapper right now...

-Big BpG

p.s.    ludacris doesn't deserve to be there either...


What do have to back this up? I dont think hes the best rapper right now at all.
Title: Em & Luda don't belong on that list.
Post by: HairWuzEre on July 29, 2002, 12:37:06 PM
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the only thing EM should be charged with is "taking hiphop to the next level, dimention-wise" + he should be charged with "showing how to be on point lyrically without using played out cliches".
Right on point. ;)
Title: Eminem hasn't ruined hip hop, he has progressed it
Post by: HairWuzEre on July 29, 2002, 12:48:46 PM
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Ok this is what I truelly think of this whole arguement:

Em is an an outstanding,amazing, groundbreaking MC- and NO, not because of the topics and contents he talks about and discusses in his raps(simply becuase this isn't the creteria by which rappers\mcz should be judged, it's his choice to talk about whatever he wants to, if anyone doesn't agree wit it, it showes how censouring and closed minded he is towards Em) but mainlly cause of the next reasons:

1.Totally amazing 7d-cinematism he can make u see tha shit he talks about (much like Biggie used to work in his day) examples: The amazing storytelling joints "Stan", "Kim"

2. Lyricism- straight up heater, using prolly some of the sharpest (and yea.. most hillarious),on point(yet sometimes seeminglly far) assosiations, smillies and punches while mantaining a structural focus.

3. flow and delivery- prolly one of the most versitile flowes ever+ his delivery is so on point all throughout tracks that Im sometimes starting to doubt he is human(..lollol) and take into consideration he is one of those mcz who covers many vocal paterns of delivery so it would show real bad if he wasn't as "in control" delivery-wise as they come.

4. energy- not many(u could prolly count them on yo 10 fingaz) rappers who are as energetic while also being up there wit all the previous creteriaz.

now, as for singles, that as the homie I-BO said are aimed towards a very particular target audience of people, well, Does the fact someone buys yo shit mean right away he is yo target audience? ..I dont think that some groupie, who listens to Em cause he's a star now, cause he is aclaimed, talked about and controversial content-wise, is considered a hiphop head, no one thinks so, true heads know exactlly what Em is(- one of the best rappers to ever come up to the game) .but this is what mainstreem-crossover sucsess means to rappers(dat's how new people get into hiphop as well btw...but aside of this) This don't mean he is any less of an MC- it never did.what he sells has lil to do wit his quallity.
Actually, THIS shit is "right on point."
Title: Dick rider? Please...
Post by: HairWuzEre on July 29, 2002, 12:52:28 PM
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according to you he's probably the best rapper ever lived.... according to you he have the best flow, bst carisma, and best in everything else you wrote, atleast ´by reading your rates... "amazing 7d-cinematism he can make u see tha shit he talks about ....".... Lyricism- straight up heater, using prolly some of the sharpest (and yea.. most hillarious),on point.... one of those mcz who covers many vocal paterns of delivery...

ill just point out that if somebody wrote that about nas, jayz, snoop, kurupt, crooked i  or somebody else, we would eazily consider him as a dickryder...
Shit, I'm not a dick rider, but I could definitely write that about Q-Tip, Kweli, or J-Live.
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: ExZit on July 29, 2002, 01:03:32 PM
lol... eminem got skillz...... but i hate when is he jokin around like a fuckin clown... he is worse then "weird al yankowich" when it comes to that..... and the controversial stuff is sooooooo played out IMO.... he does it to get publicity... dissin pop stars etc, so lil 10 year old britney fans can relate to his lyrics...


thats the stuff i hate about him, besides that he is a pretty tight rapper...

ya feel me?  :D
Title: Nelly is really the only one who's killing hip hop
Post by: HairWuzEre on July 29, 2002, 01:13:40 PM
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Faboulous - Don't Need To Explain
Ja Rule - He Raps Better Than He Sings, & He Raps Wacker Than Faboulous
Eminem - For Representin & Expanding "Hip-Pop" (people gonna hate on me now)
Nelly - For Representing & Expanding "Hip-Pop"
Ludacris -  For Representing & Expanding "Hip-Pop"
Master P - For Starting No Limit Records
JD - For Starting To Rap
Fabolous is definitely wack, but I don't see how he has "attempted to murder hip hop." He's a shitty rapper, but his album has cool beats. As for Ja Rule, I personally can't stand him, but there are a lot of other artists that are a lot worse than him, (such as Nelly, whom I wish didn't exist. I can't wait until KRS terminates him). Ludacris and Eminem are both intelligent and witty rappers (especially Em), while Jermaine Dupri is an okay producer. As for Master P, I can't say much good about his music, but he has definitely helped the hip hop community (by exposing the world to southern rap, helping Snoop, etc).

Well, it seems to me that Nelly is the only one on your list that is actually "attempting to kill" hip hop, (although I doubt that he is even aware of it ;D ;)).
Title: Re: Should Be Charged For Attempt To Murder Hiphop
Post by: Maestro Minded on July 29, 2002, 01:18:05 PM
im talking about strictly rapping...not producing or the way to run a label...
Title: Eminem can be corny, (but he does it with skill :)
Post by: HairWuzEre on July 29, 2002, 01:30:49 PM
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lol... eminem got skillz...... but i hate when is he jokin around like a fuckin clown... he is worse then "weird al yankowich" when it comes to that..... and the controversial stuff is sooooooo played out IMO.... he does it to get publicity... dissin pop stars etc, so lil 10 year old britney fans can relate to his lyrics...


thats the stuff i hate about him, besides that he is a pretty tight rapper...

ya feel me?  :D
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Title: Only "rapping"? Well, then. . .
Post by: HairWuzEre on July 29, 2002, 01:37:15 PM
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im talking about strictly rapping...not producing or the way to run a label...
Well, then that's a whole different story...

As rappers, Eminem is great, Ludacris is good, Fabolous, Ja Rule, Nelly, and JD are (all four) bad (and in much dire need of practice), and Master P is just plain horrible, as he pretty much just grunts through every verse.