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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Twentytwofifty on November 23, 2003, 06:31:31 PM
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HONORABLE MENTION (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=86791.0)
2Pac - Against The World (1995)
Biz Markie - Goin' Off (1988)
Tha Dogg Pound - Dogg Food (1995)
Eric B. & Rakim – Let Rhythm Hit 'Em (1990)
Gang Starr - Daily Operation (1992)
Jungle Brothers - Straight Out The Jungle (1988)
Outkast - ATLiens (1996)
50. Dr. Dre – 2001 (1999) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=73625.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd700/d754/d754764989k.jpg)
49. Outkast – Southernplayalisticaddicmuzik (1994) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=73777.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd100/d134/d13436bg0wb.jpg)
48. Jay-Z – Reasonable Doubt (1996) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=74040.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd400/d461/d46193l4l32.jpg)
47. Kool G Rap & DJ Polo – Wanted: Dead Or Alive (1990) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=74218.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf300/f340/f34097ch3u3.jpg)
46. Redman – Whut? Thee Album (1992) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=74531.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f555/f55576e1tkg.jpg)
45. De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead (1991) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=74834.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd700/d740/d7405260407.jpg)
44. Fugees – The Score (1996) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=75061.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc700/c763/c76385abf37.jpg)
43. The D.O.C. – No One Can Do It Better (1989) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=75381.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc400/c488/c48820e27dx.jpg)
42. Common Sense - Resurrection (1994) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=75589.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd700/d739/d73971i06s5.jpg)
41. Makaveli - The Don Kiluminati: The 7 Day Theory (1996) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=75939.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre700/e771/e77183v60jy.jpg)
40. Public Enemy - Fear Of A Black Planet (1990) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=76104.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc000/c020/c02032s0709.jpg)
39. Ice Cube – Death Certificate (1992) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=76728.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c563/c563880jim5.jpg)
38. Genius/GZA - Liquid Swords (1995) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=77194.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf700/f744/f74464r9k0d.jpg)
37. N.W.A - Efil4zaggin (1991) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=77354.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c570/c570547qq9r.jpg)
36. Main Source – Breaking Atoms (1991) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=77548.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc900/c989/c98959c5996.jpg)
35. Geto Boys – Grip It! On That Other Level (1989) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=78193.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c580/c580313n6yo.jpg)
34. Brand Nubian - One For All (1990) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=78454.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf600/f609/f60977a2u80.jpg)
33. Scarface - The Diary (1994) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=78896.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f590/f59079b6u1x.jpg)
32. Kool G Rap & DJ Polo - Road To The Riches (1989) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=78973.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c508/c50859sg6jt.jpg)
31. Beastie Boys – Licensed To Ill (1986) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=78994.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f550/f55085bm0s5.jpg)
30. Ultramagnetic MC's – Critical Beatdown (1988) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=79307.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc700/c799/c79986pe8vx.jpg)
29. LL Cool J - Radio (1985) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=79487.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf400/f492/f49240eq0c9.jpg)
28. 2Pac - All Eyez On Me (1996) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=79949.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre700/e771/e771847607k.jpg)
27. Mobb Deep - The Infamous... (1995) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=80115.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc700/c706/c7063721xa5.jpg)
26. Eric B. & Rakim - Follow The Leader (1988) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=80302.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd700/d739/d7397588jtk.jpg)
25. Big Daddy Kane – It’s A Big Daddy Thing (1989) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=80735.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f543/f54389fpurw.jpg)
24. Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth – Mecca And The Soul Brother (1992) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=80831.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd500/d561/d56172b4fr0.jpg)
23. Black Moon - Enta Da Stage (1993) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=80894.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc700/c713/c7132584gdb.jpg)
22. Outkast - Aquemini (1998) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=81163.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd200/d280/d28072ioj0v.jpg)
21. A Tribe Called Quest – People’s Instinctive Travels And The Paths Of Rhythm (1990) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=81368.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f590/f59049xo5ff.jpg)
20. Run-D.M.C. - Run-D.M.C. (1984) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=81525.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf700/f745/f74565wr7xh.jpg)
19. Boogie Down Productions – By All Means Necessary (1988) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=81656.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc900/c967/c96757n7en4.jpg)
18. Raekwon – Only Built 4 Cuban Linx… (1995) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=81932.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc700/c706/c706312ed1o.jpg)
17. De La Soul – 3 Feet High And Rising (1989) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=82271.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd700/d739/d739794912y.jpg)
16. Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle (1993) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=82438.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg900/g905/g90550gf0qv.jpg)
15. Ice Cube - AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (1990) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=82573.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c570/c57034necut.jpg)
14. The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die (1994) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=82790.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc300/c376/c37668p4306.jpg)
13. Run-D.M.C. - Raising Hell (1986) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=83190.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc300/c337/c33794yhpr1.jpg)
12. EPMD - Strictly Business (1988) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=83544.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f556/f55641gjtm0.jpg)
11. Big Daddy Kane - Long Live The Kane (1988) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=83825.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc400/c473/c47348852qa.jpg)
10. A Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders (1993) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=84076.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c517/c5174886a6e.jpg)
9. Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded (1987) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=84264.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc900/c955/c9555598282.jpg)
8. N.W.A - Straight Outta Compton (1988) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=84557.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c570/c570717e782.jpg)
7. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back (1988) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=84810.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc900/c991/c991887466w.jpg)
6. A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory (1991) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=85104.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf700/f744/f74467tjqej.jpg)
5. Slick Rick - The Great Adventures Of Slick Rick (1988) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=85409.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc800/c808/c80818f9gw3.jpg)
4. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (1993) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=85701.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf800/f860/f86028e1tkg.jpg)
3. Dr. Dre - The Chronic (1992) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=86113.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf600/f601/f60172iv73v.jpg)
2. Nas - Illmatic (1994) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=86426.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd100/d107/d107033sn8b.jpg)
1. Eric B. & Rakim - Paid In Full (1987) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=86426.0)
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre300/e330/e330774rhvi.jpg)
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Thought this was such a nice and interesting initiative that I made this sticky until the countdown is over.. 8)
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how romantic
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good idea
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oooo its sexy time
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oooo its sexy time
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it smells like sex in here...
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lol
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how romantic
hahahaha
for real though.. props to C2Knuckles. Hopefully you'll have the highest karma by the time this countdown is done
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how romantic
hahahaha
for real though.. props to C2Knuckles. Hopefully you'll have the highest karma by the time this countdown is done
yeh. ive been propping him. hes at -99 tho. got a ways to go.
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As soon as I hit 500, I'll be hitting C2Knuckles up with some props. There looks to be a lot of effort going into this list. I don't agree with some of the spots the albums got, but the reviews are quite entertaining and it just gets me interested to see what his top albums will be.
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Glad to see this was made a sticky, definitely one of the threads I consistently check for.
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no way is breaking atoms better than whut thee album or resurrection
and 2001 shouldnt be top 50
where did u put straight outta compton...cause niggaz4life is better
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no way is breaking atoms better than whut thee album or resurrection
and 2001 shouldnt be top 50
where did u put straight outta compton...cause niggaz4life is better
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those aren't popular opinions though. I think the countdown is legit so far
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no way is breaking atoms better than whut thee album or resurrection
and 2001 shouldnt be top 50
where did u put straight outta compton...cause niggaz4life is better
sorry, but you´re one of those persons who should think a bit more about what the word subjectivity means
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im just curious if Quik will make the top 50 ?
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^ i doubt it
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im just curious if Quik will make the top 50 ?
in Knuckles´ case, i don´t think so. If he will, he should pop up very soon, gets less realistic with every non-Quik album there. but really, i´d put my money on no
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By judging the list so far I doubt a Quik album will make it... It should but wont.
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great idea... you must spend alot of time and effort on theses threads...
so heres a prop ;D
BTW the llist is goin good so far
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Look at it this way guys
You might not agree on how the top 50 lists is ordered...but you'll have 50 great albums ON your computer to listen too!
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only a leper wouldnt have these albums already
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^^there are a LOT of lepers on this board
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Id have said Safe + Sound was better than 2001
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only a leper wouldnt have these albums already
i'd bet that more than HALF of the people wouldn't have had all the above albums before this thread started.
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Out of those albums i would only want to own 8 of them.
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This is a really great album. Nice to see it in your list. You make me curious for your top 10.
Run DMC, Radio, Criminal Minded, Paid in full, Strictly Business, Great Adventures of Slick Rick, Straight outta Compton, It takes a nation of millions to hold us back, Long live the kane, Amerikkka's most wanted?
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I guess not. Radio number 29! This album has meant so much to hiphop. But it's ok.
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yeah i think genero pretty much got the top ten down
RUn DMC, criminal minded, paid in full, great adventures of slcik rick, straight outta compton, it takes a nation of millions to hold us back, low end theory, illmatic.. i dunno.. not sure if Amerikkka is going to be in top 10.
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I think his Top 10 will look somewhat like this:
1.Paid In Full
2.Illmatic
3.The Chronic
4.Low End Theory
5.Enter the Wu Tang: 36 Chambers
6.It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
7.Straight Outta Compton
8.Great Adventures of Slick Rick
9.Criminal Minded
10.Run DMC
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^ yep something like that
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I Predict The Pharcyde Somewhere in this countdown
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after the countdown is done i'm going to make my own list , some of the arrangements are a lil too scetchy
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off topic, C2 is now in positive karma. at least i just noticed this. :)
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after the countdown is done i'm going to make my own list , some of the arrangements are a lil too scetchy
This is the last thing we need. Everyone is gonna start putting up lists.
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^yeah
If they really heve to they should be posted in this thread.
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^and that's what i was planning on doing
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only a leper wouldnt have these albums already
i'd bet that more than HALF of the people wouldn't have had all the above albums before this thread started.
I don't think anyone on this thread has ALL of the albums in the countdown, except for maybe CKnuckles
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Id have said Safe + Sound was better than 2001
i'd have said rhythmalism is better than 2001... safe n sound is in a league of its own... better than the chronic i.m.o...
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only a leper wouldnt have these albums already
i'd bet that more than HALF of the people wouldn't have had all the above albums before this thread started.
I don't think anyone on this thread has ALL of the albums in the countdown, except for maybe CKnuckles
name one album you dont already have on the list.
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Thought this was such a nice and interesting initiative that I made this sticky until the countdown is over.. 8)
:sign_banhim:
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^^ Mad because there's no Dipset related, Village People related or Enya related albums on the list.
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:sign_werd:
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dipset ha!
cant wait to c
1. Vanilla Ice!!!! :D
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are people still making vanilla ice jokes and passing them off as witty?
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witty clever u name it! :D
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1. Foesum - Perfection
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2pac's "All eyez on me" at 28 is a fuckin joke. It's like top 5 material, easily
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2pac's "All eyez on me" at 28 is a fuckin joke. It's like top 5 material, easily
half of CD 2 is filler
yeah, I would´ve wanted to see Enya too. She´s the queen of real hiphop
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2pac's "All eyez on me" at 28 is a fuckin joke. It's like top 5 material, easily
half of CD 2 is filler
yeah, I would´ve wanted to see Enya too. She´s the queen of real hiphop
Ambitionz Az a Ridah
All About You
Got My Mind Made Up
How Do You Want it
2 of Amerika'z Most Wanted
Life Goes On
Only God Can Judge Me
Tradin War Stories
California Love
I Ain't Mad at Cha
Can't C Me
Shorty Wanna Be a Thug
Holla At Me
Wonda Why They Call u Bitch
When We Ride
Picture Me Rollin
Check Out Time
Rather Be Your N.I.G.G.A.
All Eyez
Run The Streetz
Ain't Hard to Find
U gotta be kiddin me... NO other CD has as many classics on it
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2pac's "All eyez on me" at 28 is a fuckin joke. It's like top 5 material, easily
It should be higher then 28, but I wouldnt say its top 5 either. Definately top 15 and arguably top 10 even, but not top 5......7 Day Theory, however, is absolutly top 5.
Disc 2 of Eyez does indeed have filler, but there are still alot of bangers on there.....its not nearly as weak as some people make it out to be. Plus, the first disc is nearly flawless, and when you combine that with the fact its one of the most influential hip hop albums ever, you have a landmark achievement. Its still easily the best rap double cd ever IMO, and to be honest, I dont consider ANY album to be flawless.
There is always at least one track on every album that isnt up to par with the others.
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2pac's "All eyez on me" at 28 is a fuckin joke. It's like top 5 material, easily
half of CD 2 is filler
yeah, I would´ve wanted to see Enya too. She´s the queen of real hiphop
Ambitionz Az a Ridah
All About You
Got My Mind Made Up
How Do You Want it
2 of Amerika'z Most Wanted
Life Goes On
Only God Can Judge Me
Tradin War Stories
California Love
I Ain't Mad at Cha
Can't C Me
Shorty Wanna Be a Thug
Holla At Me
Wonda Why They Call u Bitch
When We Ride
Picture Me Rollin
Check Out Time
Rather Be Your N.I.G.G.A.
All Eyez
Run The Streetz
Ain't Hard to Find
U gotta be kiddin me... NO other CD has as many classics on it
Since when are "Check Out Time" or "Rather Be Your N.I.G.G.A." classics outside the Pac fan community?
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^^^ They're not. He just listed every song he liked from the album and labeled them classics.
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^^^ They're not. He just listed every song he liked from the album and labeled them classics.
that was what I was trying to suggest. No offense Suffice, but not half of those cuts are classic to people who are just hiphop fans in general and not huge Pac fans in particular
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The following songs from AEOM are classic, meaning songs I would give a perfect 5/5 to.
From Disc 1:
Ambitionz Az a Ridah
Got My Mind Made Up
2 Of Amerikaz Most Wanted
No More Pain
Heartz Of Men
Life Goes On
Only God Can Judge Me
I Aint Mad At Cha
Skandolouz, How Do U Want It, All About U, Tradin War Stories, and Cali Love are all near classic but a notch below the above songs in quality......Whatz Ya Phone # is garbage, im a die hard Pac fan and even I dislike that song.
Disc 2:
Cant C Me
Shortys Gonna Be a Thug
Holla At Me (my fav song on Disc 2)
Wonder Why They Call U Bitch
All Eyez On Me
Heaven Aint Hard To Find
^^^those are the classics on disc 2.......the rest range from very good to below average depending on the song.
So, its not a flawless album by any means. But its influence is undeniable and even the non classic songs have sick beats, so the album is definately a classic.
I can see where Suffice is coming from though......people still play and buy this album as if it were only 2-3 years old, so even the lesser songs are classic in the sense that people gonna be playing them for years to come.
Cant really use the fanbase argument either, because Pac's fanbase is more then likely the largest in hip hop history, thus a good portion of hip hop fans in general are gonna think those songs are classic.
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^^^ They're not. He just listed every song he liked from the album and labeled them classics.
Thats what most Pac fans do.
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ImmortalOne:
you´re not making a bad point, but like you said yourself
im a die hard Pac fan
...personally, I do like Pac, but I´m no die hard fan (I used to be btw, but that was way back) and I listen to basically every stlye of hiphop...IMO, there are about 4-5 5/5 cuts on AEOM and there is below-average filler stuff, and many non-die hard fans think the same. And while the album did have an impact and was/is incredibly popular, I don´t see anything wrong with any album ranked higher in the list. Both quality- and importance-wise they´re on a par or better, none has as much stuff you could call filler, only popularity-wise they might not be as huge as AEOM
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ImmortalOne:
you´re not making a bad point, but like you said yourself
im a die hard Pac fan
...personally, I do like Pac, but I´m no die hard fan (I used to be btw, but that was way back) and I listen to basically every stlye of hiphop...IMO, there are about 4-5 5/5 cuts on AEOM and there is below-average filler stuff, and many non-die hard fans think the same. And while the album did have an impact and was/is incredibly popular, I don´t see anything wrong with any album ranked higher in the list. Both quality- and importance-wise they´re on a par or better, none has as much stuff you could call filler, only popularity-wise they might not be as huge as AEOM
There's definatly more then 5 classic songs on AEOM, come on now. Disc 1 by itself got at least 7 flawless songs on it....on the songs I listed, try and find flaws on any of them (especially the ones on Disc 1). You cant.....
Quality-wise, there are NOT 27 albums better then this....maybe 10-15 albums. And based on impact ALONE with nothing else considered, this album is top FIVE all time (theres only a handful of hip hop albums that had more impact then this one). When you combine that, this gotta be a top 15 album. Also, you gotta base this on the test of time factor also.....alot of the old school albums on the list havent aged well, and many of them are dated and its very possible, that 10 years from now, they will almost be completely forgotten about. Pac's albums though, will be passed on from generation to generation, making them timeless.
All this hip hop shit is really subjective though, because everyones tastes are so different. CKnuckles loves old school shit alot. While I respect it, its not really my taste (a few albums, but most of my favs were released 92' or later).
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^^ I see where you´re coming from. The vast majority of MY favs were released 92-97, Mecca & Thev Soul Brother, 36 Chambers, Cuban Linx, Liquid Swords, Makaveli, Illmatic, The Infamous, Hell On Earth, The War Report, The Chronic, Reasonable Doubt, ATLiens, Soul Food, Season Of Da Siccness etc...All of these and many more are albums I def feel more than "Criminal Minded" or "Strictly Business" cause most 80´s shit ("Paid In Full" being the best example of an exception though, that album´s just unfuckwithable) does sound too old to me, too. Still I find Knuckles´ list is fair. There´s only a very few older albums you could have left out, "One For All" and "Breaking Atoms" maybe, but generally they´re all about where they belong.
Now AEOM is full of dope fucking songs, BUT in that entire list it remains the album with the most filler material IMO. There´s no doubt you have to mention it and had Pac compiled the flawless songs on one disc and left the filler stuff out (and don´t tell me "What´s Ya Phone Number" or the 2nd version of "Cali love" ain´t filler), the album would be better. That´s the flaw of AEOM though, even though it´s full of great stuff.
And flawless is not the same as classic. "Season Of Da Siccness" is full of flawless songs, but none of them are classic outside the Sac-town gangsta rap community. Pac fans, no offense, should just get rid of their tendency to label anything they find flawless classic. "Only God Can Judge Me", "Tradin War Stories", "Shorty Wanna Be A Thug" or "Holla At Me" are NOT overall hiphop classics, flawless as they might be
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^^^Yea, but Pac's fanbase is just a *LITTLE* larger then Brother Lynch's fanbase ;)
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Quality-wise, there are NOT 27 albums better then this....maybe 10-15 albums. And based on impact ALONE with nothing else considered, this album is top FIVE all time (theres only a handful of hip hop albums that had more impact then this one)
c'mon now are you serious ? Just look at knuckles list and you see a whole lotta albums wit a bigger impact. Considering how far developed hiphop was when AEOM was released you really can't compare this to shit like paid in full, raising hell, criminal minded, str8 outta cpt, chronic, 36 chambers, great adventures of slick rick ect, albums that build hiphop / established major styles. AEOM was a dope album, extremely well known and sold, but musically it was in no way groundbreaking, it didn't bring anything new to the table, neither established anything that wasn't yet popular.
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Quality-wise, there are NOT 27 albums better then this....maybe 10-15 albums. And based on impact ALONE with nothing else considered, this album is top FIVE all time (theres only a handful of hip hop albums that had more impact then this one)
. AEOM was a dope album, extremely well known and sold, but musically it was in no way groundbreaking, it didn't bring anything new to the table, neither established anything that wasn't yet popular.
AEOM brought several new things to the table.
First, it was the rap's first double cd ever. Nobody even thought about making a double album until Pac did it and sold 7 million+......year later everyone and their mommas are releasing double albums.
Second, musically it wasnt groundbreaking, but it was the first album to put up MC Hammer type numbers AND maintain hip hop respect. Also, it is arguably the most COMPLETE rap album ever made, the mainstream album every MC that has come out since dreams of making. It was an album made to appeal to a broad audience yet still be loved by street cats. You can say what you want about all the albums that came out before it, but bottomline, this is the blueprint (sorry Jay) for how a mainstream rap album is made nowadays, been that way since 97'. Its just that todays cats dont do it nearly as well as Pac did. Most of the albums on Knuckles list only had impact in the hip hop world....they didnt have the universal appeal that Pac's albums, in particular this one, had. Im not saying its the best rap album ever but its by far the most COMPLETE hip hop album ever made.
Hip hop has been through so many different trends in the last 8 years and yet this album continues to be a standard regardless of how much the rap landscape changes.
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Quality-wise, there are NOT 27 albums better then this....maybe 10-15 albums. And based on impact ALONE with nothing else considered, this album is top FIVE all time (theres only a handful of hip hop albums that had more impact then this one)
. AEOM was a dope album, extremely well known and sold, but musically it was in no way groundbreaking, it didn't bring anything new to the table, neither established anything that wasn't yet popular.
AEOM brought several new things to the table.
First, it was the rap's first double cd ever. Nobody even thought about making a double album until Pac did it and sold 7 million+......year later everyone and their mommas are releasing double albums.
Second, musically it wasnt groundbreaking, but it was the first album to put up MC Hammer type numbers AND maintain hip hop respect. Also, it is arguably the most COMPLETE rap album ever made, the mainstream album every MC that has come out since dreams of making. It was an album made to appeal to a broad audience yet still be loved by street cats. You can say what you want about all the albums that came out before it, but bottomline, this is the blueprint (sorry Jay) for how a mainstream rap album is made nowadays, been that way since 97'. Its just that todays cats dont do it nearly as well as Pac did. Most of the albums on Knuckles list only had impact in the hip hop world....they didnt have the universal appeal that Pac's albums, in particular this one, had. Im not saying its the best rap album ever but its by far the most COMPLETE hip hop album ever made.
Hip hop has been through so many different trends in the last 8 years and yet this album continues to be a standard regardless of how much the rap landscape changes.
I said musically,´as for success and it being a double album might've been major but hiphop is a music culture, not a selling tool (well at least it shouldn't be) so what counts to me is the musical impact. Also snoop for example sold nearly as many copies and got love in the streets, it being a double album was also the reason for the high numbers. That doesn't matter much though, no matter how successfull it was and how much love it got, gangsta rap, conscious rap, political rap, has all been 100% established before this album, production wise it wasn't new either. It couldn't possibly compete with albums that built hiphop and established these styles, AEOM wouldn't even sound the way it sounds if it wasn't for these albums. hiphop development until '96 is 100 x more important than hiphop development after '96 for hiphop. The changes that albums made until '96 are on a whole nother level than changes that albums from then on, inculding AEOM made.
Even IF it is the blueprint of nowadays mainstream albums, it STILL couldn't possibly compete with those kinda albums I mentioned for the simple fact that mainstream rap since '96 is NOTHING compared to the very foundation of the musical culture, which happened before '96. Musically AEOM didn't bring / established anything new, it was all done before, so at least the albums that did that must necessarily be placed above AEOM whenit comes to impact.
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^^^Yea, but Pac's fanbase is just a *LITTLE* larger then Brother Lynch's fanbase ;)
you sure? No, of course that´s a point, but even Pac´s fanbase considering something flawless does not make it a hiphop classic
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Id have said Safe + Sound was better than 2001
way 2 fonky is better than 2001 aswell..
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Ok..I know it's YOUR opinion..
But how can GZA'S - LIQUID SWORDS not be in your top 10 :o :loco:
Same goes for Doggystyle and No One Can Do It Better
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Ok..I know it's YOUR opinion..
But how can GZA'S - LIQUID SWORDS not be in your top 10 :o :loco:
Same goes for Doggystyle and No One Can Do It Better
hahaha
Which three albums in my top ten would you take out to get these in? Let's see your top ten.
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this immortalone cat is spittin sum truth on u bitches keep it up dogg i got ur back. these niggas hatin on aeom
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^^^chillout man....it aint that serious. Just a friendly disagreement.
I dont think they are hating on AEOM, just underrating it.
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Ok..I know it's YOUR opinion..
But how can GZA'S - LIQUID SWORDS not be in your top 10 :o :loco:
Same goes for Doggystyle and No One Can Do It Better
hahaha
Which three albums in my top ten would you take out to get these in? Let's see your top ten.
My top 10
1. 2 Pac - All Eyez On Me
2. Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle
3. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
4. The D.O.C. - No One Can Do It Better
5. TQ - They Never Saw Me Coming (not really rap..but yeaah)
6. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
7. GZA - Liquid Swords
8. Mobb Deep - Hell On Earth
9. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
10. Ghostface (Killah) - The Pretty Toney Album
Other Notable Mentions:
Murs - 3:16 (the 9th Edition)
Westside Connection - Bow Down
N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton!
Nas - Illmatic
2 Pac - Me Against The World
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
Ok..I gotta agree I never really listened much to groups like A Tribe Called Quest, Boogie Down Productions etc. etc.
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Pretty Toney Album ::)
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Yess..
Pretty Toney Album is easily the best album of the last 5 years
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Yess..
Pretty Toney Album is easily the best album of the last 5 years
no. It´s good but hell naw...even ´04 had better stuff. Plus, it had no such thing as an influence on the rap game
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My top 10
1. 2 Pac - All Eyez On Me
2. Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle
3. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
4. The D.O.C. - No One Can Do It Better
5. TQ - They Never Saw Me Coming (not really rap..but yeaah)
6. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
7. GZA - Liquid Swords
8. Mobb Deep - Hell On Earth
9. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
10. Ghostface (Killah) - The Pretty Toney Album
Other Notable Mentions:
Murs - 3:16 (the 9th Edition)
Westside Connection - Bow Down
N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton!
Nas - Illmatic
2 Pac - Me Against The World
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
Ok..I gotta agree I never really listened much to groups like A Tribe Called Quest, Boogie Down Productions etc. etc.
hahahaha
You got me. That is a superior list.
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My top 10
1. 2 Pac - All Eyez On Me
2. Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle
3. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
4. The D.O.C. - No One Can Do It Better
5. TQ - They Never Saw Me Coming (not really rap..but yeaah)
6. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
7. GZA - Liquid Swords
8. Mobb Deep - Hell On Earth
9. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
10. Ghostface (Killah) - The Pretty Toney Album
Other Notable Mentions:
Murs - 3:16 (the 9th Edition)
Westside Connection - Bow Down
N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton!
Nas - Illmatic
2 Pac - Me Against The World
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
Ok..I gotta agree I never really listened much to groups like A Tribe Called Quest, Boogie Down Productions etc. etc.
hahahaha
You got me. That is a superior list.
why are you so arrogant?
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seriously tho this knuckles nigga think he sum shit. nigga complainin sayin his list is his opinion n shit n then he go clownin another niggas list what a fuckin hipokrit
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I'm a cocky motherfucker, what can I say.
The guy calls me crazy for my top ten then the kid says TQ and Ghostface albums are more deserving? Please
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well dats his opinion jus like u said ur list is ur opinion so if u say that i cant be sayin shit bout ur list then u cant be sayin shit bout his. fuckin white ppl always thinkin they better
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well dats his opinion jus like u said ur list is ur opinion so if u say that i cant be sayin shit bout ur list then u cant be sayin shit bout his. fuckin white ppl always thinkin they better
c'mon now, don't turn this into black/white thing, it has nothing to do with this
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Ok..I know it's YOUR opinion..
But how can GZA'S - LIQUID SWORDS not be in your top 10 :o :loco:
Same goes for Doggystyle and No One Can Do It Better
hahaha
Which three albums in my top ten would you take out to get these in? Let's see your top ten.
My top 10
1. 2 Pac - All Eyez On Me
2. Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle
3. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
4. The D.O.C. - No One Can Do It Better
5. TQ - They Never Saw Me Coming (not really rap..but yeaah)
6. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
7. GZA - Liquid Swords
8. Mobb Deep - Hell On Earth
9. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
10. Ghostface (Killah) - The Pretty Toney Album
Other Notable Mentions:
Murs - 3:16 (the 9th Edition)
Westside Connection - Bow Down
N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton!
Nas - Illmatic
2 Pac - Me Against The World
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
Ok..I gotta agree I never really listened much to groups like A Tribe Called Quest, Boogie Down Productions etc. etc.
You get a prop from me.
I'm a cocky motherfucker, what can I say.
The guy calls me crazy for my top ten then the kid says TQ and Ghostface albums are more deserving? Please
Well, They Never Saw Me Coming is not a hip hop album, but it's flawless. It's absolutely incredible. Top notch production, great guest appearances and one hell of a singer. Two if you include Ericka Yancey.
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My top 10, no specific order:
7 Day Theory
Illmatic
OB4CL
Aquemini
Doggystyle
Chronic
Wu Tang Forever (this shoulda made the top 50 at least somewhere IMO...it didnt have as much impact as 36 Chambers but I honestly believe it to be a better album, musically and lyrically)
Me Against the World (another album that shoulda been in the top 50...this is at least as good as AEOM if not superior. Eyez had better production and more impact, but this was Pac's most introspective and personal work by far)
E.1999 Eternal (also shoulda made the top 50, put the midwest on the map before Nelly or Eminem were even a figment of peoples imaginations)
Death Certificate
its all a matter of taste but honestly, I think all these albums can definatly be argued as being top 10 material.
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^^ Wu-Tang Forever: No, top 50 maayyybe, but there´s more important stuff that has been left out. Few people think it´s better than 36 Chambers and although its a great album but disc 2 wasn´t flawless at all, disc 1 almost maybe
MATW: Top 10, no. Only to Pac fans. Top 50 ok
E.1999: Hell no. Only BTNH fans consider that classic, I know so many real hiphop heads who don´t give a shit about any Bone Thugs...and I really like them, personally
the rest I can see, even though my top 10 would be different. But putting E.1999 above something like "Great Adventures" or "Paid In Full" would be, no offense, fuckin crazy
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^^^ Listen to 36 Chambers and Wu Forever back to back......Wu Forever is EASILY the better album lyrically and musically, regardless of how much impact 36 had. Yea, it has some filler, but overall, I think it was a better and more well rounded effort then their debut. "Triumph", "Older Gods", "Impossible", and "Reunited" are all so much more musically and lyrically advanced then any song on 36 Chambers, its not even funny. Its kinda the same situation with All Eyez On Me vs 7 Day Theory......Eyez had more impact, but which is the better album quality wise?? Most heads, Pac or otherwise, will tell you 7 Day Theory is Pac's masterpiece.
MATW only top 10 to Pac fans?? I see it in many hip hop heads top 10, in fact, its probably the Pac album I see in peoples top 10 the most often (though I personally rate it as Pac's #2 album behind 7 Day Theory). Also, how do you separate a Pac head from a so-called "real hip hop head"?? Last I checked, Pac was the best selling hip hop artist of all time, and more then likely, has the most amount of fans of any rap artist ever.
E.1999 Eternal gotta be a top 50 album.....thats the album that put the midwest on the map, and every track was a banger. They brought a style that so many cats would try to bite, its ridiculous. Plus, it has what is arguably rap's biggest hit ever on it, Tha Crossroads. The only people that would totally hate this album are people with VERY biased taste to old school rap that think they know more then everyone else (but really dont). Album is a classic, nuff said.
And I know im gonna upset Knuckles and all the other old school headz here, but Great Adventures and Paid In Full are OVERRATED.....yea, they were impactful for their time and set standards to come, but both (especially Paid In Full) are extremely outdated musically, and not really relevent anymore. You aint gonna see cats cranking up "My Melody" in the ride......
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that aint true my nig we still be bumpin dat paid in full especially da remix shits bangin
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I also still bump that Paid in Full album...
Maybe that album had more influence on the rap game than the pretty toney album, but my top 10 is 'bout the music I LIKE, not the music that I THINK have influenced hip-hop music!
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^^ yeah, in that sense, I won´t complain bout your top 10, not a bad taste actually
^^^ Listen to 36 Chambers and Wu Forever back to back......Wu Forever is EASILY the better album lyrically and musically, regardless of how much impact 36 had. Yea, it has some filler, but overall, I think it was a better and more well rounded effort then their debut. "Triumph", "Older Gods", "Impossible", and "Reunited" are all so much more musically and lyrically advanced then any song on 36 Chambers, its not even funny. Its kinda the same situation with All Eyez On Me vs 7 Day Theory......Eyez had more impact, but which is the better album quality wise?? Most heads, Pac or otherwise, will tell you 7 Day Theory is Pac's masterpiece.
MATW only top 10 to Pac fans?? I see it in many hip hop heads top 10, in fact, its probably the Pac album I see in peoples top 10 the most often (though I personally rate it as Pac's #2 album behind 7 Day Theory). Also, how do you separate a Pac head from a so-called "real hip hop head"?? Last I checked, Pac was the best selling hip hop artist of all time, and more then likely, has the most amount of fans of any rap artist ever.
E.1999 Eternal gotta be a top 50 album.....thats the album that put the midwest on the map, and every track was a banger. They brought a style that so many cats would try to bite, its ridiculous. Plus, it has what is arguably rap's biggest hit ever on it, Tha Crossroads. The only people that would totally hate this album are people with VERY biased taste to old school rap that think they know more then everyone else (but really dont). Album is a classic, nuff said.
And I know im gonna upset Knuckles and all the other old school headz here, but Great Adventures and Paid In Full are OVERRATED.....yea, they were impactful for their time and set standards to come, but both (especially Paid In Full) are extremely outdated musically, and not really relevent anymore. You aint gonna see cats cranking up "My Melody" in the ride......
1. I agree on the lyrical part, musically....not really IMO. You can argue it was more advanced, but it wasn´t that grimey angry-street-nigga fury they´d unleashed on the world on 36 Chambers anymore. They had undoubtedly improved, but it did not strike the listener the same as their first. Plus, IMO they should have put out a 70-minute one-disc album, just like Pac should´ve done it with AEOM. I can see it´s top 50 but top 10 naaw. Top 10 HAS TO HAVE HAD a considerable impact, because there´s a lot of top notch shit you could say deserves to be top 10 merely because of its quality
2. When did I seperate Pac fans from real hiphop heads?? I´m just saying that people who don´t listen to Pac more than to several other artists don´t usually put MATW top 10. That´s how I see it at least.
3. BTNH sounded a lot like older stuff too when they came out. They didn´t invent a style...they might have been important for the midwest, ok. But "Crossroads" biggest rap song ever? HELL NO.
4. Look, if you don´t listen to 80´s stuff, fine. Me too, I prefer the 90´s and an album like "Criminal Minded" is not one I can´t get enough of...but saying that shit is not important today is just ignorant. A lot of people still bump it, rap artists keep sampling "Paid In Full" (probably the most sampled hiphop record ever), they rap by a scheme that Rakim fucking brought into hiphop, they use the techniques from back then...and some people do listen to it, even younger cats. But most importantly, EVERY rap record today feeds off Paid In Full and a bunch of other 80´s classics, since they introduced to hiphop what is normal today. Not relevant anymore, you bet your ass they are.
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hey just wondering just a lil wondering you know yeah just a lil but ummm what about bonethugs n harmoney cause ie top see that they wernt on the top 50
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^^ yeah, in that sense, I won´t complain bout your top 10, not a bad taste actually
^^^ Listen to 36 Chambers and Wu Forever back to back......Wu Forever is EASILY the better album lyrically and musically, regardless of how much impact 36 had. Yea, it has some filler, but overall, I think it was a better and more well rounded effort then their debut. "Triumph", "Older Gods", "Impossible", and "Reunited" are all so much more musically and lyrically advanced then any song on 36 Chambers, its not even funny. Its kinda the same situation with All Eyez On Me vs 7 Day Theory......Eyez had more impact, but which is the better album quality wise?? Most heads, Pac or otherwise, will tell you 7 Day Theory is Pac's masterpiece.
MATW only top 10 to Pac fans?? I see it in many hip hop heads top 10, in fact, its probably the Pac album I see in peoples top 10 the most often (though I personally rate it as Pac's #2 album behind 7 Day Theory). Also, how do you separate a Pac head from a so-called "real hip hop head"?? Last I checked, Pac was the best selling hip hop artist of all time, and more then likely, has the most amount of fans of any rap artist ever.
E.1999 Eternal gotta be a top 50 album.....thats the album that put the midwest on the map, and every track was a banger. They brought a style that so many cats would try to bite, its ridiculous. Plus, it has what is arguably rap's biggest hit ever on it, Tha Crossroads. The only people that would totally hate this album are people with VERY biased taste to old school rap that think they know more then everyone else (but really dont). Album is a classic, nuff said.
And I know im gonna upset Knuckles and all the other old school headz here, but Great Adventures and Paid In Full are OVERRATED.....yea, they were impactful for their time and set standards to come, but both (especially Paid In Full) are extremely outdated musically, and not really relevent anymore. You aint gonna see cats cranking up "My Melody" in the ride......
1. I agree on the lyrical part, musically....not really IMO. You can argue it was more advanced, but it wasn´t that grimey angry-street-nigga fury they´d unleashed on the world on 36 Chambers anymore. They had undoubtedly improved, but it did not strike the listener the same as their first. Plus, IMO they should have put out a 70-minute one-disc album, just like Pac should´ve done it with AEOM. I can see it´s top 50 but top 10 naaw. Top 10 HAS TO HAVE HAD a considerable impact, because there´s a lot of top notch shit you could say deserves to be top 10 merely because of its quality
2. When did I seperate Pac fans from real hiphop heads?? I´m just saying that people who don´t listen to Pac more than to several other artists don´t usually put MATW top 10. That´s how I see it at least.
3. BTNH sounded a lot like older stuff too when they came out. They didn´t invent a style...they might have been important for the midwest, ok. But "Crossroads" biggest rap song ever? HELL NO.
4. Look, if you don´t listen to 80´s stuff, fine. Me too, I prefer the 90´s and an album like "Criminal Minded" is not one I can´t get enough of...but saying that shit is not important today is just ignorant. A lot of people still bump it, rap artists keep sampling "Paid In Full" (probably the most sampled hiphop record ever), they rap by a scheme that Rakim fucking brought into hiphop, they use the techniques from back then...and some people do listen to it, even younger cats. But most importantly, EVERY rap record today feeds off Paid In Full and a bunch of other 80´s classics, since they introduced to hiphop what is normal today. Not relevant anymore, you bet your ass they are.
If Crossroads aint the biggest rap song ever, its easily top 3......I still remember when that shit came out in 96', it got more burn then even Cali Love or Killing Me Softly did, which were its biggest competition at the time. Plus, the single alone sold like over 3 million. Shit was friggin HUGE, it even broke a Beatles record.
And who did Bone sound like back then?? Nobody was flowing like that at the time, and if they were, it doesnt really matter because it was without question Bone who popularized it.
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Tha Crossroads broke the Beatles record 4 fastest rising single.
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Tha Crossroads broke the Beatles record 4 fastest rising single.
Yep.
I think that fact alone makes it the biggest rap hit of all time. Not even Pac, Biggie, Eminem, Puffy, and other huge names can make such a claim. I wouldnt say its the best ever, but as far as commercial success goes, its pretty much unfuckwithable.
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Yeah cause if you broke a record the Beatles held it has 2 be good.
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It WAS a huge hit, but today it´s just not as well known about as Cali Love or Killing Me Softly. Plus, it (I dunno why) never got that much attention overseas. You can pull the what-do-you-fuckin-europeans-know-about-hiphop card, but to me, the biggest rap song ever has to be a worldwide hit that is still played everywhere years later. Now, I´m European, so I don´t know what it´s like in the US, but you won´t hear the song at an average hiphop party round here, whereas "What´s My Name" or "Cali Love" are always put on. And I know people who listen to Big L, JMT and Little Brother, but in whose case I´m 98% sure that if I told them about "Crossroads", they´d be like "what´s that?". Strange to you maybe, but true.
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It WAS a huge hit, but today it´s just not as well known about as Cali Love or Killing Me Softly. Plus, it (I dunno why) never got that much attention overseas. You can pull the what-do-you-fuckin-europeans-know-about-hiphop card, but to me, the biggest rap song ever has to be a worldwide hit that is still played everywhere years later. Now, I´m European, so I don´t know what it´s like in the US, but you won´t hear the song at an average hiphop party round here, whereas "What´s My Name" or "Cali Love" are always put on. And I know people who listen to Big L, JMT and Little Brother, but in whose case I´m 98% sure that if I told them about "Crossroads", they´d be like "what´s that?". Strange to you maybe, but true.
only reason Cali Love and Killing Me Softly would be more well known overseas is because of WHO made them. Pac and the Fugees are much bigger worldwide then Bone is. But as far as commercial success goes, Crossroads was a bigger hit then either of them. Again, that shit broke a Beatles record. A BEATLES record!!
And of course it isnt gonna get played in clubs or parties, its not a club/party type of song, lol.
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I was going to address the Bone Thugs issue after I was done butI don't think it'll be a suprise that they aren't in the top two.
To put it bluntly, they are a one-hit wonder. This board is the only place I've ever seen BTNH get love. In the mid-90s when they were at the height of their popularity, not once did I even hear their names when my friends and I discussed hip-hop in high school. I've never heard them played at a party, never heard any other their songs at a club. They might get an article on them in some of the hip-hop mags when they have albums coming out but I've never noticed them get an real love. They are pretty much nobodies in the history of hip-hop as far as I'm concerned.
They have made just about no impact on the rap game, they are original, I'll give them that but no one seemed to bite thier style or copy them, they aren't influencial at all. The other big artists from the mid-west, Common, Eminem, Kayne, etc. took nothing from them. I don't see how they put the mid-west on the map. They are just a group from that area that happened to sell a lot of records.
You'll never hear anyone of them mentioned as one of the greatest MCs ever or even good MCs for that matter. They aren't top notch producers. Bone Thugs haven't made an album anywhere in the same league as the albums mentioned and frankly, wouldn't even make the top 100.
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And actually you can't really argue against Fressh_Deini and hellrazor's top 10 because those are obviously thier personal top ten and just has to do with thier own personal taste. My list isn't done like that.
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I never really saw Knuckles list as some personal stuff tbh. It was like some official, mathematical generated list if you know what I mean :D Like if done by an independent, quality magazine (that doesnt get paid for ranking something or applying to its fanbase, etc)
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I never really saw Knuckles list as some personal stuff tbh. It was like some official, mathematical generated list if you know what I mean :D Like if done by an independent, quality magazine (that doesnt get paid for ranking something or applying to its fanbase, etc)
Pretty much. For example, I don't even like Public Enemy and they have two albums there and one up way up at number seven.
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Bone Thugs have had many hits Thuggish Ruggish Bone, Tha 1st Of Tha Month, Tha Crossroads, Look Into My Eyes, Days Of Our Livez,etc. Maybe where your from they don't like Bone but pretty much everyone I know likes Bone and in school we talk about Bone alot. I know alot more people who listen 2 Bone than they do Common or Eminem. If you ever listened 2 The Gift by Bizzy Bone you would know he is a very underated MC and Lyricist. When they blew up really no one from tha Midwest was know. But it's your opinion that alot here disagree with.
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i have a weird feeling illmatic will be no. 1...
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I've never heard them played at a party, never heard any other their songs at a club
Not all music is made 2 dance 2 and Bone Thugs don't make club music. How tha hell do you dance 2 Mo Murda, Buddah Luvaz, or Die Die Die?
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I was going to address the Bone Thugs issue after I was done butI don't think it'll be a suprise that they aren't in the top two.
To put it bluntly, they are a one-hit wonder. This board is the only place I've ever seen BTNH get love. In the mid-90s when they were at the height of their popularity, not once did I even hear their names when my friends and I discussed hip-hop in high school. I've never heard them played at a party, never heard any other their songs at a club. They might get an article on them in some of the hip-hop mags when they have albums coming out but I've never noticed them get an real love. They are pretty much nobodies in the history of hip-hop as far as I'm concerned.
They have made just about no impact on the rap game, they are original, I'll give them that but no one seemed to bite thier style or copy them, they aren't influencial at all. The other big artists from the mid-west, Common, Eminem, Kayne, etc. took nothing from them. I don't see how they put the mid-west on the map. They are just a group from that area that happened to sell a lot of records.
You'll never hear anyone of them mentioned as one of the greatest MCs ever or even good MCs for that matter. They aren't top notch producers. Bone Thugs haven't made an album anywhere in the same league as the albums mentioned and frankly, wouldn't even make the top 100.
Man, if this aint the defintion of a hater, I dont know what is......E.1999 Eternal not in the top 100?? Wow, I dont even know what to say to that.....How can you not see that they put the midwest on the map?? Who was repping the midwest before Bone, on a successful commercial level?? No one. And Em, Common, and Kanye may not have been influenced from Bone, but other groups such as Crucial Conflict, Do or Die and 3-6 Mafia all started rapping like Bone after E.1999 dropped. They just never blew up, because they didnt do the style as good as Bone, nor did they have the mainstream appeal that Bone did. Without Bone, midwest would have gone another 5-6 years before they would have been seen as force like the east and west were.
sad thing is, its pretty far from the truth. Especially the part of them being one-hit wonders.
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I was going to address the Bone Thugs issue after I was done butI don't think it'll be a suprise that they aren't in the top two.
To put it bluntly, they are a one-hit wonder. This board is the only place I've ever seen BTNH get love. In the mid-90s when they were at the height of their popularity, not once did I even hear their names when my friends and I discussed hip-hop in high school. I've never heard them played at a party, never heard any other their songs at a club. They might get an article on them in some of the hip-hop mags when they have albums coming out but I've never noticed them get an real love. They are pretty much nobodies in the history of hip-hop as far as I'm concerned.
They have made just about no impact on the rap game, they are original, I'll give them that but no one seemed to bite thier style or copy them, they aren't influencial at all. The other big artists from the mid-west, Common, Eminem, Kayne, etc. took nothing from them. I don't see how they put the mid-west on the map. They are just a group from that area that happened to sell a lot of records.
You'll never hear anyone of them mentioned as one of the greatest MCs ever or even good MCs for that matter. They aren't top notch producers. Bone Thugs haven't made an album anywhere in the same league as the albums mentioned and frankly, wouldn't even make the top 100.
Man, if this aint the defintion of a hater, I dont know what is......E.1999 Eternal not in the top 100?? Wow, I dont even know what to say to that.....
sad thing is, its pretty far from the truth. Especially the part of them being one-hit wonders.
Yeah they had alot of hits plus other classic tracks like No Surrender, Foe Tha Love of Money,Thug Luv,Notorius Thugs, and no one can touch them when in comes 2 tracks about weed.
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yo 2 dat nigga talkin bout crossroads i agree i dont think its da biggest song n shit but damn u cant be bustin dat well if it aint big in europe it aint as big as dat shit dat is played a lot here cuz man if sum rapper was rappin over techno music n shit dat shit would blow da fuck up in like japan n shit but dat dont mean its a big ass single
also mayne if u sayin e1999 aint top 100 u on sum serious hater shit
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It WAS a huge hit, but today it´s just not as well known about as Cali Love or Killing Me Softly. Plus, it (I dunno why) never got that much attention overseas.
I don't think I know anybody who doesn't know Tha Crossroads.
if u sayin e1999 aint top 100 u on sum serious hater shit
Yep.
And to whoever said Bone Thugs didn't have an original style... LOL!!
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Not all music is made 2 dance 2 and Bone Thugs don't make club music. How tha hell do you dance 2 Mo Murda, Buddah Luvaz, or Die Die Die?
The parties I've gone to they don't really play music for dancing, they just throw on what people like. I'll hear Mobb Deep, Outkast, Dr. Dre...but never Bone Thugs. Just an example of how I don't notice anyone giving a fuck about them.
Yeah they had alot of hits plus other classic tracks like No Surrender, Foe Tha Love of Money,Thug Luv,Notorius Thugs, and no one can touch them when in comes 2 tracks about weed.
They can't be too big of hits, I've only heard of one song there ("Notorious Thugs") and I don't even think that was a single. Redman and Devin The Dude will make better weed songs hands down.
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^^^^Redman, maybe......Devin the Dude, no.
plus, E.1999 > any Redman or Devin album
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man wtf is dat bullshit music at parties not 4 dancin man u gots 2 be goin 2 sum cockfests where errbody be jus sittin down wackin off n shit get sum bitches at ur parties n ppl will wanna dance
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Redman and Devin The Dude will make better weed songs hands down.
Have you ever heard Buddha Lovaz, Fried Day, Bud Smokers Only, Smokin Buddha, Smoke Wit Me? Hell Krayzie Bone is going 2 release a Bones Greatest Weed Songs Cd on his website. Trust me when I say no one can touch them when it comes 2 songs about weed. Shit If you want me 2 post up some of their weed songs I will.
The parties I've gone to they don't really play music for dancing, they just throw on what people like. I'll hear Mobb Deep, Outkast, Dr. Dre...but never Bone Thugs.
Like I said maybe where your from they don't like Bone but almost everyone I know likes Bone Thugs.
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Knuckles, why didnt me against the world make it. Musically its pac's best. And impact and influence wise you can make a legit argument for me against the world, all eyez on me, an makaveli having the biggest influence/impact.
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Not all music is made 2 dance 2 and Bone Thugs don't make club music. How tha hell do you dance 2 Mo Murda, Buddah Luvaz, or Die Die Die?
The parties I've gone to they don't really play music for dancing, they just throw on what people like. I'll hear Mobb Deep, Outkast, Dr. Dre...but never Bone Thugs. Just an example of how I don't notice anyone giving a fuck about them.
WTF!!
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Not all music is made 2 dance 2 and Bone Thugs don't make club music. How tha hell do you dance 2 Mo Murda, Buddah Luvaz, or Die Die Die?
The parties I've gone to they don't really play music for dancing, they just throw on what people like. I'll hear Mobb Deep, Outkast, Dr. Dre...but never Bone Thugs. Just an example of how I don't notice anyone giving a fuck about them.
WTF!!
im tellin u nigga dis guy be attendin str8 cockfests listenin 2 shook ones n shit
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one-hit wonder might be a bit exaggerated, but really, this board is full of BTNH fans and in MY real life (I of course know I can´t talk about yours), I´m the person caring about BTNH most by just liking them a bit. Everybody else either doesn´t know them or finds them boring and I´m not talkingh about people who learnt about hiphop from GRODT and could name about a dozen artists. Like I said, I´m talking bout fans of Little Brother, Pharoahe Monch, Mobb Deep, Non-Phixion, Cunninlynguists, Masta Ace, even MC Eiht...lot of different stuff.
Top 100 maybe, but top 50, really, find some non-Bone fan (as in just a hiphop fan in general) putting E.1999 top 10. Even top 50 won´t be that easy.
Crucial Conflict and Do Or Die are so trifling, they don´t make a point for somebody having had a huge impact. 3-6 had an own style, they had some similarities to BTNH, but they´d already had that sound on their oldest stuff that was released before "Mystic Stylez" which came out the same year as "E.1999". Saying they just bit BTNH is "sum serious hating" as well.
I don´t know what clubs y´all go to. But good DJ´s keep making fun of colleagues who start the party at 9.30 pm by putting on "Ante Up". DJ´s don´t waste the hype-up-the-crowd stuff in the beginning, the first phase is a warm-up and the last phase is a slow-down. Hence, there IS time for slower and less "danceable" material, at the time people are usually just chilling...I´ve seen it like that in Spain, France, Switzerland, Germany and Italy, that´s the way a party usually goes. So, if the DJ´s rather put on a Hieroglyphics song than a BTNH one at that time, that does say something
And again, I like BTNH
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yo 2 dat nigga talkin bout crossroads i agree i dont think its da biggest song n shit but damn u cant be bustin dat well if it aint big in europe it aint as big as dat shit dat is played a lot here cuz man if sum rapper was rappin over techno music n shit dat shit would blow da fuck up in like japan n shit but dat dont mean its a big ass single
also mayne if u sayin e1999 aint top 100 u on sum serious hater shit
LOL Flamboyant i actually agree witchu on dat shit ;D
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Not all music is made 2 dance 2 and Bone Thugs don't make club music. How tha hell do you dance 2 Mo Murda, Buddah Luvaz, or Die Die Die?
The parties I've gone to they don't really play music for dancing, they just throw on what people like. I'll hear Mobb Deep, Outkast, Dr. Dre...but never Bone Thugs. Just an example of how I don't notice anyone giving a fuck about them.
Yeah they had alot of hits plus other classic tracks like No Surrender, Foe Tha Love of Money,Thug Luv,Notorius Thugs, and no one can touch them when in comes 2 tracks about weed.
They can't be too big of hits, I've only heard of one song there ("Notorious Thugs") and I don't even think that was a single. Redman and Devin The Dude will make better weed songs hands down.
so you listed all these albums most people havent even heard of... then you go on and say you havent even heard e.1999 ? but you listened to a whole lot of bullshit unknown albums ?? wtf man.
people that dont like hip-hop i have introduced to bone and they went out and baught their cd's.... what does that tell you ?
p.S: notorious thugs is off "life after death". and devin tha dude or red-man cannot make better weed songs...
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man wtf is dat bullshit music at parties not 4 dancin man u gots 2 be goin 2 sum cockfests where errbody be jus sittin down wackin off n shit get sum bitches at ur parties n ppl will wanna dance
LMAO
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^^^^Redman, maybe......Devin the Dude, no.
plus, E.1999 > any Redman or Devin album
LMAO, Redman has at least two albums better than E.1999. Its an ok record, but as Knuckles said, none of them are great rappers, and there production isn't that great either, its an ok record to chill to, but it doesn't have anything on there that would make it anywhere near Top 50 material. I'd even put stuff like The Twinz - Conversation in front of E1999.
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Redman has at least two albums better than E.1999.
none of them are great rappers
Are you kidding me? What's up with dubcc underrating Bone Thugs? Even on pop forums they get more appreciation.
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so you listed all these albums most people havent even and heard of... then you go on and say you havent even heard e.1999 ? but you listened to a whole lot of bullshit unknown albums ?? wtf man.
people that dont like hip-hop i have introduced to bone and they went out and baught their cd's.... what does that tell you ?
p.S: notorious thugs is off "life after death". and devin tha dude or red-man cannot make better weed songs...
Most people that listen to hip-hop have heard of these albums. I never said I haven't heard e.1999. hahaha @ "bullshit unknown albums"
It doesn't tell me much actually.
I know that's where it's from. They have nothing on Redman or Devin.
Are you kidding me? What's up with dubcc underrating Bone Thugs? Even on pop forums they get more appreciation.
dubcc is overrating bone, I've never noticed them get this much love anywhere else.
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I gotta say, musically E. 1999 Eternal is a great album. Thing is, this list wasn't just about music. It's true, I had to teach my friends about BTNH, in fact most of them didn't even know about Tha Crossroads. They recognised the track from a while ago, but they didn't really know it that well. I thought that was a big hit back in 1996, but hey, it seems like it wasn't that much of a mindblowing record that people still remember. In fact, the only BTNH fans I ever saw in real life, were a bunch of wigger geeks on my vacation in Spain. The same ones who were bumping their Spacekees cd all week. Ask the dutch people. Need I say more? Their taste in rap music was totally messed up, and they were the only Bone Thugs fans I ever saw.
When you're talking about weed songs, four artists come to my mind. Cypress Hill, Redman, Devin and Bone Thugs. I can't say Bone Thugs are unfuckwittable when it comes to weed songs. Hits from the bong, How to roll a blunt or I wanna get high... The only BTNH weed song that can compete is Smokin' Buddah.
Question though... I don't think his records are all that great, and I think as an emcee he's mad overrated, but where did Eminem go on your list? Did he just not make it with SSLP and MMLP?
Fuck the hating though, I am really grateful to Knuckles for introducing me to Main Source. Some others I'm glad he hooked me up with, are Black Moon, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Brand Nubian and Kool G Rap & DJ Polo. Major props on that! I'm just glad all of those made the list, no matter how small they may have been in the mainstream.
One thing I still hate... I've been waiting for ages for "Criminal minded" to pop up in the list. That album is extremely hard to get in the stores these days and I never heard it... Just as I went on a vacation, the day after I left Knuckles hooked the album up. Of course, I missed the hookup :-\
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One thing I still hate... I've been waiting for ages for "Criminal minded" to pop up in the list. That album is extremely hard to get in the stores these days and I never heard it... Just as I went on a vacation, the day after I left Knuckles hooked the album up. Of course, I missed the hookup :-\
Hard to get in stores?? Maybe in Holland...I´ll hook you up with wma´s if you want...?
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Yo knuckles, first of the month was a huge party track back in the day. and to people saying shook ones aint a party track, shook ones still gets clubs jumping when its played
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One thing I still hate... I've been waiting for ages for "Criminal minded" to pop up in the list. That album is extremely hard to get in the stores these days and I never heard it... Just as I went on a vacation, the day after I left Knuckles hooked the album up. Of course, I missed the hookup :-\
Hard to get in stores?? Maybe in Holland...I´ll hook you up with wma´s if you want...?
Mmmm... Nah, since it's said to be one of the greatest hiphop albums ever, I might as well just take the guess and see if I can buy it somewhere for $30 :P
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One thing I still hate... I've been waiting for ages for "Criminal minded" to pop up in the list. That album is extremely hard to get in the stores these days and I never heard it... Just as I went on a vacation, the day after I left Knuckles hooked the album up. Of course, I missed the hookup :-\
Hard to get in stores?? Maybe in Holland...I´ll hook you up with wma´s if you want...?
Mmmm... Nah, since it's said to be one of the greatest hiphop albums ever, I might as well just take the guess and see if I can buy it somewhere for $30 :P
If you were being ironic, tell me, cause I know there are people who would do that....
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^^^^Redman, maybe......Devin the Dude, no.
plus, E.1999 > any Redman or Devin album
LMAO, Redman has at least two albums better than E.1999. Its an ok record, but as Knuckles said, none of them are great rappers, and there production isn't that great either, its an ok record to chill to, but it doesn't have anything on there that would make it anywhere near Top 50 material. I'd even put stuff like The Twinz - Conversation in front of E1999.
I see you been smoking that sess lately.........
Whut Thee Album is Redman's best work and it aint touching E.1999 by any means.
Twinz - Conversation better then E.1999?? Hahahaha......now ive truely heard it all.
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Damn, what's with all the BTNH hate ???
Of course, they would never be that dope without Krayzie Bone, but then again Geto Boys wouldn't be much without Scarface..
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It´s not hate. Whatever Knuckles says, it´s his opinion, he backs it up with some points. That is not hating. And I´m far from hating too.
Nobody said BTNH was wack
Nobody said E.1999 sucked ass without saying why
that would be hating. Thinking E.1999 was ok/good, but hardly top 100 material AND stating why is not hating. Or, respectively, if that is hating, then the other section is, simple and plain, dickriding. Neither is true, so stop talking about hating, looks kinda weak IMO. Knuckles or the others didn´t tell you to "let go of their nuts" or something either....peace
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Yo knuckles can you re-up some of the albums. When my computer crashed i lost a few of them i had downloaded. If you cant its no biggie
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One thing I still hate... I've been waiting for ages for "Criminal minded" to pop up in the list. That album is extremely hard to get in the stores these days and I never heard it... Just as I went on a vacation, the day after I left Knuckles hooked the album up. Of course, I missed the hookup :-\
Hard to get in stores?? Maybe in Holland...I´ll hook you up with wma´s if you want...?
Mmmm... Nah, since it's said to be one of the greatest hiphop albums ever, I might as well just take the guess and see if I can buy it somewhere for $30 :P
If you were being ironic, tell me, cause I know there are people who would do that....
Not being ironic... There's plenty of albums I bought for $30, just most of them aren't that old, and most of them are easier to get. This one should be worth the effort though.
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so you listed all these albums most people havent even and heard of... then you go on and say you havent even heard e.1999 ? but you listened to a whole lot of bullshit unknown albums ?? wtf man.
people that dont like hip-hop i have introduced to bone and they went out and baught their cd's.... what does that tell you ?
p.S: notorious thugs is off "life after death". and devin tha dude or red-man cannot make better weed songs...
Most people that listen to hip-hop have heard of these albums. I never said I haven't heard e.1999. hahaha @ "bullshit unknown albums"
It doesn't tell me much actually.
I know that's where it's from. They have nothing on Redman or Devin.
Are you kidding me? What's up with dubcc underrating Bone Thugs? Even on pop forums they get more appreciation.
dubcc is overrating bone, I've never noticed them get this much love anywhere else.
you earlier said the only songs you heard out of a list someone wrote you only heard 'notorious thugs', for the love of tha $ is off e.1999.... if you havent heard for tha love of tha $ you havent heard e.1999...
p.S: maybe i havent heard all those old school east-coast albums, but i will tell you that i downloaded only a few of them and they were bullshit... some of the most boring albums i have ever heard..... just because they were made in the 80's doesnt mean they are better than the best albums that came out in rap history (during 92-96).... thats where all the classics came out, thats when hip-hop was at its peak, not in the fuckin 80's...
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i still like the list tho, and appreciate the effort ofcourse... just feel like being a cunt ;D
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so you listed all these albums most people havent even and heard of... then you go on and say you havent even heard e.1999 ? but you listened to a whole lot of bullshit unknown albums ?? wtf man.
people that dont like hip-hop i have introduced to bone and they went out and baught their cd's.... what does that tell you ?
p.S: notorious thugs is off "life after death". and devin tha dude or red-man cannot make better weed songs...
Most people that listen to hip-hop have heard of these albums. I never said I haven't heard e.1999. hahaha @ "bullshit unknown albums"
It doesn't tell me much actually.
I know that's where it's from. They have nothing on Redman or Devin.
Are you kidding me? What's up with dubcc underrating Bone Thugs? Even on pop forums they get more appreciation.
dubcc is overrating bone, I've never noticed them get this much love anywhere else.
you earlier said the only songs you heard out of a list someone wrote you only heard 'notorious thugs', for the love of tha $ is off e.1999.... if you havent heard for tha love of tha $ you havent heard e.1999...
p.S: maybe i havent heard all those old school east-coast albums, but i will tell you that i downloaded only a few of them and they were bullshit... some of the most boring albums i have ever heard..... just because they were made in the 80's doesnt mean they are better than the best albums that came out in rap history (during 92-96).... thats where all the classics came out, thats when hip-hop was at its peak, not in the fuckin 80's...
My copy of E. 1999 Eternal doesn't have a song called "For the love of tha $"?
And about you not appreciating the eastcoast and the 80s... Just because you don't enjoy it, doesn't mean others won't. I'll take Illmatic, By All Means Necessary, Enta Da Stage, Long Live The Kane, Midnight Marauders or Breaking Atoms over your favorite kurupt, jayo felony and 2pac albums, any day.
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One thing I still hate... I've been waiting for ages for "Criminal minded" to pop up in the list. That album is extremely hard to get in the stores these days and I never heard it... Just as I went on a vacation, the day after I left Knuckles hooked the album up. Of course, I missed the hookup :-\
Hard to get in stores?? Maybe in Holland...I´ll hook you up with wma´s if you want...?
Mmmm... Nah, since it's said to be one of the greatest hiphop albums ever, I might as well just take the guess and see if I can buy it somewhere for $30 :P
If you were being ironic, tell me, cause I know there are people who would do that....
Not being ironic... There's plenty of albums I bought for $30, just most of them aren't that old, and most of them are easier to get. This one should be worth the effort though.
cool. But just to have you warned, if you tend to find 80´s shit sounds a lil dated, "Criminal Minded" will be no exception. Undoubtedly classic as it is, I could never get into it, so I would have regretted spending 30 dollars. I spent about 15, which is quite cheap in Switzerland...CD´s a milestone tho, no doubt...it just sounds as old as it is IMO
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Yes, the 80s do sound dated, but I love that dated sound. It's not like I would be jumping in a dark black hole by buying Criminal Minded, as I already own By All Means Necessary and I love it. I'm well aware that Criminal Minded might sound somewhat older, but hey, I also love what Run DMC and Eric B & Rakim did back then, so it's pretty much a sure shot.
Anyways, Makaveli11 already hooked me up with the album, so that'll do for now. I might still buy it some time, but for now I can check it out. Haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, but I'll get into that really soon.
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you earlier said the only songs you heard out of a list someone wrote you only heard 'notorious thugs', for the love of tha $ is off e.1999.... if you havent heard for tha love of tha $ you havent heard e.1999...
I never said I haven't heard "For The Love Of Tha $" I said I never heard OF it. I might have listened to it but forgot about it. For example, I listened to the last Snoop album but I can only remember the names of the singles cause I deleted that shit after three spins. So if someone ask if I heard of some specific Snoop song from that album I'd probably say no because I couldn't remember the song or song title.
p.S: maybe i havent heard all those old school east-coast albums, but i will tell you that i downloaded only a few of them and they were bullshit... some of the most boring albums i have ever heard...
Well, that's your opinion. Many, many people think otherwise including your favourite rappers.
just because they were made in the 80's doesnt mean they are better than the best albums that came out in rap history (during 92-96).... thats where all the classics came out, thats when hip-hop was at its peak, not in the fuckin 80's...
That's bullshit, you don't know what you're talking about.
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just because they were made in the 80's doesnt mean they are better than the best albums that came out in rap history (during 92-96).... thats where all the classics came out, thats when hip-hop was at its peak, not in the fuckin 80's...
That's bullshit, you don't know what you're talking about.
No, he doesn´t, but 92-96 was nevertheless a great era. My personal favorite too
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cant fuck wit most albums released between 92-96 they r all classics!
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I own some 80's hip hop albums, but other then It Takes A Nation and Straight Outta Compton, I dont really listen to them on the regular. They just sound too dated for my taste. Sure, they had a alot of impact, but the stuff from the 90's is far better musically and in some cases lyrically.
Does anyone here honestly think Paid In Full or Criminal Minded has better production then All Eyez on Me, Illmatic, OB4CL, Chronic, Aquemini, etc etc??
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My copy of E. 1999 Eternal doesn't have a song called "For the love of tha $"?
It's not on that album. "For Tha Love Of $" is from "Creepin On Ah Come Up".
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you earlier said the only songs you heard out of a list someone wrote you only heard 'notorious thugs', for the love of tha $ is off e.1999.... if you havent heard for tha love of tha $ you havent heard e.1999...
My copy of E. 1999 Eternal doesn't have a song called "For the love of tha $"?
It's not on that album. "For Tha Love Of $" is from "Creepin On Ah Come Up".
Now that makes sense, don't it?
I own some 80's hip hop albums, but other then It Takes A Nation and Straight Outta Compton, I dont really listen to them on the regular. They just sound too dated for my taste. Sure, they had a alot of impact, but the stuff from the 90's is far better musically and in some cases lyrically.
Does anyone here honestly think Paid In Full or Criminal Minded has better production then All Eyez on Me, Illmatic, OB4CL, Chronic, Aquemini, etc etc??
Production wise... Maybe, the mid 90s was when the head bobbing beats were dominating, but that's not only what I listen to hiphop for. As for myself, the emcee is more important than the production. And damn well in most of the cases the oldschool production is top notch as well - it just sounds harder and more outdated. Yes, I listen quite a lot to music from the 80s (mostly the certified classics) and I fully enjoy it. Isn't it a little hypocrite to be listening to rap music, not for it's raps but for the beats?
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^who said the emcee's were not great in the 90's if not more lyrical and better songwriters? I consider 91-96 to be the peak of hip hop musically and lyrically.
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lol at the Love of $ thing :D
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you earlier said the only songs you heard out of a list someone wrote you only heard 'notorious thugs', for the love of tha $ is off e.1999.... if you havent heard for tha love of tha $ you havent heard e.1999...
My copy of E. 1999 Eternal doesn't have a song called "For the love of tha $"?
It's not on that album. "For Tha Love Of $" is from "Creepin On Ah Come Up".
Now that makes sense, don't it?
I own some 80's hip hop albums, but other then It Takes A Nation and Straight Outta Compton, I dont really listen to them on the regular. They just sound too dated for my taste. Sure, they had a alot of impact, but the stuff from the 90's is far better musically and in some cases lyrically.
Does anyone here honestly think Paid In Full or Criminal Minded has better production then All Eyez on Me, Illmatic, OB4CL, Chronic, Aquemini, etc etc??
Production wise... Maybe, the mid 90s was when the head bobbing beats were dominating, but that's not only what I listen to hiphop for. As for myself, the emcee is more important than the production. And damn well in most of the cases the oldschool production is top notch as well - it just sounds harder and more outdated. Yes, I listen quite a lot to music from the 80s (mostly the certified classics) and I fully enjoy it. Isn't it a little hypocrite to be listening to rap music, not for it's raps but for the beats?
c'mon man, of course I listen to it for the lyrics as much as the beats.....probably moreso for the lyrics. But, if the beat bores me to death, it isnt gonna be very easy for me to enjoy it, even if the lyrics are dope.
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Doggystyle should be in the top 10 and why ain't Dogg Food in the top 50..it should be
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Doggystyle should be in the top 10 and why ain't Dogg Food in the top 50..it should be
how many albums in the list have you heard? Honestly?
...I´m not saying you´ve got no point, but Dogg Food wasn´t that big...top 100 maybe. Doggystyle top 10, maybe 9 or 10, not any higher IMO
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Dogg Food is 93 on the lists i make for fun/
#1 is Company Flow - Funcrusher Plus. cant figure out how that one was overlooked
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^who said the emcee's were not great in the 90's if not more lyrical and better songwriters? I consider 91-96 to be the peak of hip hop musically and lyrically.
c'mon man, of course I listen to it for the lyrics as much as the beats.....probably moreso for the lyrics. But, if the beat bores me to death, it isnt gonna be very easy for me to enjoy it, even if the lyrics are dope.
I guess it's just a matter of taste then, about how much you really dig them oldschool beats. I personally love the style. That definately won't bore me to death, and it really doesn't take a great beat to make a great song imo.
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@ G-Funk:
Is there a possibility for you to upload Dogg Food?
Cause I'm lookin' for that album for a long time but can't find it in the cd-stores or on the internet.
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@ G-Funk:
Is there a possibility for you to upload Dogg Food?
Cause I'm lookin' for that album for a long time but can't find it in the cd-stores or on the internet.
yeah if I can learn how to use yousendit I'll up in in no time 8)
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Doggystyle should be in the top 10 and why ain't Dogg Food in the top 50..it should be
how many albums in the list have you heard? Honestly?
...I´m not saying you´ve got no point, but Dogg Food wasn´t that big...top 100 maybe. Doggystyle top 10, maybe 9 or 10, not any higher IMO
i've heard every album on the list and I own atleast half of the album's on the list and I think Doggystyle atleast should be top 10
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yeah, well fuck you all... 8)
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Big L -Life style ov da poor and dangerous
Big Pun -Capital punishement