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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: mauzip on May 20, 2005, 02:05:44 PM

Title: European Constitution
Post by: mauzip on May 20, 2005, 02:05:44 PM
On June 1st the Dutch can vote for or against the European Constitution. I don't know if the people can vote in other countries as well, but what would you vote? I'll vote for it cause I'd like to see Europe as one country in the future. It's an utopia, I know, but this would be a step in the right direction.


I did a little quiz that shows if you're for or against it... it shows that I am for it.

(http://img218.echo.cx/img218/5739/eu3rx.jpg)


What would you vote for?
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: 7even on May 20, 2005, 05:46:34 PM
I think globalisation is like communism. Good in theory, impossible to act out. Means: No. Id vote against it.
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: mauzip on May 21, 2005, 12:42:50 AM
I think globalisation is like communism. Good in theory, impossible to act out. Means: No. Id vote against it.


 ::)
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Low Key on May 21, 2005, 01:38:34 AM
More than just Europe would be affected by it. People who are in power now would have to step down, and you know they wouldn't want to do that. It all comes down to if you want to wait. The process would take years. Personally, I wouldn't support it.
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Noname on May 21, 2005, 03:20:45 AM
Im voting for it.
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Don Rizzle on May 21, 2005, 06:27:00 AM
I think globalisation is like communism. Good in theory, impossible to act out. Means: No. Id vote against it.
i think you miss understand the constitution if you just think its globalisation.

i'm voting against it, there very little chance the biritish people will vote for it. its 70% aginst 30% for in the polls here, the reason i'm againmst it and growing mroe anti eu is its corrupt, too beurocratic, and innefficent. All this stuff latley about scaping our opt out of the 48 hour maximum working week , what a load of bollocks if we're gonna stay competitive we can't have such strict and rigid labour laws it dissasterous for the economy especially in the long run, the whole socialist / welfare states of old europe are in a bad at the mo, and the eurocrats with their red tape make stupid laws restricting our economies.

I would favour a free trade block without all the bull shit from brussels, scrap the CAP so we not paying for a food 2 or 3 times over and third world farmers can make a living, kick all the french and spannish fishing boats out of our waters because they're being over fished, they did it in spain so they all just come over here now it takes the piss. and a big fuck you to the likes of jaques chirac whose got a hard on for blair, he corrupt, arogant and just a twat basically and theres no way were giving up our rebate  especially not when french farmers earn so much money out of the cap, but since we let the soviets in france has started putting more money into the eu than it recieves so there getting their knickers in a twist. gerhard schoeder is just his bitch, and should not forget germany is just our biggest military base and he should respect our authoritai!
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: 7even on May 21, 2005, 07:04:14 AM
I think globalisation is like communism. Good in theory, impossible to act out. Means: No. Id vote against it.
i think you miss understand the constitution if you just think its globalisation.


How is countries doing more and more shit together and having more and more laws in common and having no borders etc etc not a form of globalisation? I can give a fuck what exactly the constitution is about, what matters is that it should bring europe more and more together until it is almost one country and I really dont want that.
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: 'EclipZe on May 21, 2005, 08:03:54 AM
im gonna vote against it, it sucks... where did you do the test mauzip?
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: mauzip on May 22, 2005, 06:24:50 AM
www.stemwijzer.nl
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Don Seer on May 22, 2005, 07:35:15 AM
the EU was set up to try and be a trade partnership for equal and fair trade across europe...

now its trying to take over and involve itself in things that arent its business and weren't in its original mandate.

weak countries like spain are propped up by the EU


i hear france is like to vote against this...

seems govt's are falling over themselves to put a pro-EU agenda... but why!?

the Euro has done bad for european economies.. england as always is better off isolated from all this

Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Elevz on May 31, 2005, 03:22:11 PM
I'm pro. Fuck the haters  ;D
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: rafsta on May 31, 2005, 09:14:40 PM
excluding mauzip, have any of you taken the time to read up on the constitution ?
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on May 31, 2005, 10:52:15 PM
I think globalisation is like communism. Good in theory, impossible to act out. Means: No. Id vote against it.
i think you miss understand the constitution if you just think its globalisation.

i'm voting against it, there very little chance the biritish people will vote for it. its 70% aginst 30% for in the polls here, the reason i'm againmst it and growing mroe anti eu is its corrupt, too beurocratic, and innefficent. All this stuff latley about scaping our opt out of the 48 hour maximum working week , what a load of bollocks if we're gonna stay competitive we can't have such strict and rigid labour laws it dissasterous for the economy especially in the long run, the whole socialist / welfare states of old europe are in a bad at the mo, and the eurocrats with their red tape make stupid laws restricting our economies.

I would favour a free trade block without all the bull shit from brussels, scrap the CAP so we not paying for a food 2 or 3 times over and third world farmers can make a living, kick all the french and spannish fishing boats out of our waters because they're being over fished, they did it in spain so they all just come over here now it takes the piss. and a big fuck you to the likes of jaques chirac whose got a hard on for blair, he corrupt, arogant and just a twat basically and theres no way were giving up our rebate  especially not when french farmers earn so much money out of the cap, but since we let the soviets in france has started putting more money into the eu than it recieves so there getting their knickers in a twist. gerhard schoeder is just his bitch, and should not forget germany is just our biggest military base and he should respect our authoritai!

 ???
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Don Seer on June 01, 2005, 12:15:36 AM

how did the french vote?  i been too busy to watch the news
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Don Seer on June 01, 2005, 02:02:13 AM
France voted against the EU constitution!

this means us english dont have to vote.

thank fuck!!
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: rafsta on June 01, 2005, 03:19:50 AM
France voted against the EU constitution!

this means us english dont have to vote.

thank fuck!!

if you dont have to vote, then tony blair will vote 'yes' from what i know...
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Don Seer on June 01, 2005, 03:23:01 AM
France voted against the EU constitution!

this means us english dont have to vote.

thank fuck!!

if you dont have to vote, then tony blair will vote 'yes' from what i know...

from what you know?

the constitution depends upon all member countries agreeing.. since france has fucked it up.. the process cant happen anyways


Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Elevz on June 01, 2005, 03:39:46 AM
excluding mauzip, have any of you taken the time to read up on the constitution ?

I haven't read it but I know most of what's in it, and I agree with almost all of it. Where Mauzip got an 66% score on that "referendumwijzer" thingy, I got 80% (which means I'll agree more with the content of the constitution)

75% europese instellingen
60% sociaal beleid / economie
75% milieu landbouw
100% justitie
100% defensie/buitenland beleid

Overall the motives of those who vote "no" are kinda weak, for example they don't like our prime minister SO they're voting against the constitution. I mean, wtf? Quit hating and start thinking about the actual subject instead of just trying to get against the prime minister.
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: rafsta on June 01, 2005, 04:43:54 AM
France voted against the EU constitution!

this means us english dont have to vote.

thank fuck!!

if you dont have to vote, then tony blair will vote 'yes' from what i know...

from what you know?

the constitution depends upon all member countries agreeing.. since france has fucked it up.. the process cant happen anyways




well isnt it true even if France voted yes, you wouldnt be voting ? because Tony Blair was deciding with the govt for the public ?
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Don Seer on June 01, 2005, 06:10:03 AM
^ no its not. if france had voted yes we'd be having to vote.

british people as a whole are very anti centralisi9ng european power.

the EU was meant to be a trade partnership _not_ something that runs all the countries in it!!
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: rafsta on June 01, 2005, 06:23:18 AM
hmmm i was mis-informed, my girl told me that everyone is pissed with the French coz they voted 'no' and that Tony Blair is for 'yes'.... i even saw something about it on news... she also said she's disappointed Jac Shurak (or wateva his name is) allowed the public to vote, because the U.K govt. voted yes for the people.
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: rafsta on June 01, 2005, 06:27:19 AM
but i'm pretty sure Tony Blair was gonna vote in 2006 for it  :-\
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: mauzip on June 01, 2005, 07:59:39 AM
I just voted YES.
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Don Seer on June 01, 2005, 08:01:10 AM
^ you want germans to run your country?
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Mindless Minority on June 01, 2005, 08:08:22 AM
Ja.
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: mauzip on June 01, 2005, 08:09:53 AM
in de club met m'n vriendjes, proberen om een chick te scoren
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Don Rizzle on June 01, 2005, 10:29:17 AM
hmmm i was mis-informed, my girl told me that everyone is pissed with the French coz they voted 'no' and that Tony Blair is for 'yes'.... i even saw something about it on news... she also said she's disappointed Jac Shurak (or wateva his name is) allowed the public to vote, because the U.K govt. voted yes for the people.
tony blair got pressured into giving us a referemdum when he realise labour would never get re-elected if they didn't, french voted no so he can now save himself the embarrassment of an almost certain loss at the polls, because the eu constitution is as dead as the dodo
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: 7even on June 01, 2005, 11:50:48 AM
Luck for you, Im sure the English people wont like that, and now France takes all the blame.
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Don Rizzle on June 01, 2005, 01:32:48 PM
if france had voted yes jaques chirac would have be out to punish us again.

One thing i've noticed particularly in this campain is its gotten very nasty, the eu president telling french voters it would be disasterous to their economy and to the eu as whole if they voted no, and the dutch yes camp saying there will be another austritch if they don't vote yes. its all rubbish because if the constitution isn't ratified we just maintain the status quo, and I hope go back to the drawing board to create a fair and credible and most importantly flexable europe. I am actually pro european however as it stand and the proposed changes put me right behind the fence of the anti euopean camp and this is happening increasingly more across europe when the politicians listen we might be able to work something out.
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Elevz on June 01, 2005, 02:26:49 PM
^ you want germans to run your country?

There is no such thing as being proud of your country when you're dutch. We would be better off if Europe was like the States - one big bunch of countries. It might be different for other European countries, but that's how the majority of the dutch feel.

I really don't understand why 62% of the dutch still voted NO today. What's their problem? Get off the fucking bandwagon & find yourselves some real reasons to be against the constitution.

Random facts about the dutch voters
Over 60% of the dutch men voted YES, less than 40% of the women did so.
Over half of the people who voted YES, are over 50 years of age.
The higher the educational level, the bigger the chance someone voted YES.

So... I guess I'm with the wise old men now ;)
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: mauzip on June 01, 2005, 09:55:28 PM
^^

Most people that voted against the constitution voted against cause they're not happy with the gov't, which is really hypocrite cause they voted these people in. Besides that, this gov't has accomplished more in the past 2 and a half years than Wim Kok's gov't had in 8 years.
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Elevz on June 02, 2005, 03:44:17 AM
^^

Most people that voted against the constitution voted against cause they're not happy with the gov't, which is really hypocrite cause they voted these people in. Besides that, this gov't has accomplished more in the past 2 and a half years than Wim Kok's gov't had in 8 years.

That's just what I'm saying... They just hear the critics on tv talking, and they're like "hey, they got a point there, it's all far from perfect!" Next thing you know, about half of the dutch vote "no" just to go against the government. Leaving about 20% who really are against the European constitution, also voting no. Guess how Geert Wilder's party got so big? He's just spreading hate about the current cabinet and that's exactly what the people want to hear. After what I've heard him saying last night after the voting results were published, I bet you his party's grown even bigger once again. Talking shit, that's all it takes to get some votes.
Title: Re: European Constitution
Post by: Don Rizzle on June 02, 2005, 01:45:49 PM
well it worked in america thats how the rebublicans got in power after the clinton administation, well along with a little bit of fiddling the votes.