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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on July 09, 2005, 08:47:14 PM
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I know I am a little bit late on this but I have been too busy to get online until now. But anyway, how stupid are Muslims to commit these terror attacks against Great Britain? Don't they know who they are dealing with? This isn't France or Spain we are talking about....the British aren't going to cower in fear. They had their cities bombed everyday by Nazi warplanes for like a year during World War 2. I highly doubt some scrawny, smelly Arabs with a bomb in their backpack will cause them to lose sleep. I saw on TV how the very next day after the bombings that the subways in London were full. The only thing the Muslims have succeeded in doing is further pissing off people over there. You saw how the US has responded to 9/11, Britain's resolve to fight terrorists around the world is only going to become stronger than it already is.
One thing Britain does have to do is get more serious about radical Muslims in their own country. Since the attacks, the American media has done alot of stories about how Britain's immigration policies are so liberal that the country has been flooded with Muslims extremists. Let's be honest, that is a topic that left wing media organizations like the BBC would never want to touch. Anyway, these guys like Abu Hamza openly call for the destruction of America, Britain, and the West as a whole and they encourage violence against Christians and Jews. That type of incitement to violence probably motivated the people who launched the subway attacks. But for some reason, the British government does nothing about it. The only reason Abu Hamza was ever arrested was after years of pressure that the US put on Britain. Hopefully they will start to get more serious about these Islamic groups and put stricter controls on immigration.
Anyway, my condolences to everyone over in the UK. I know that Americans were deeply moved by what happened and we support the British 110%.
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I saw on TV how the very next day after the bombings that the subways in London were full. The only thing the Muslims have succeeded in doing is further pissing off people over there. You saw how the US has responded to 9/11, Britain's resolve to fight terrorists around the world is only going to become stronger than it already is.
A recent study by Transport for London showed that 26 million journeys were made each day in 2003, compared to less than 23 million in 1993. While TV viewing and newspaper readership declines, audiences are spending more time out of home and travelling, boosting outdoor audiences.
They have no choice...
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They had their cities bombed everyday by Nazi warplanes for like a year during World War 2.
No.
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They had their cities bombed everyday by Nazi warplanes for like a year during World War 2.
No.
care to ellaborate on that?
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I know I am a little bit late on this but I have been too busy to get online until now. But anyway, how stupid are Muslims to commit these terror attacks against Great Britain? Don't they know who they are dealing with? This isn't France or Spain we are talking about....the British aren't going to cower in fear. They had their cities bombed everyday by Nazi warplanes for like a year during World War 2. I highly doubt some scrawny, smelly Arabs with a bomb in their backpack will cause them to lose sleep. I saw on TV how the very next day after the bombings that the subways in London were full. The only thing the Muslims have succeeded in doing is further pissing off people over there. You saw how the US has responded to 9/11, Britain's resolve to fight terrorists around the world is only going to become stronger than it already is.
One thing Britain does have to do is get more serious about radical Muslims in their own country. Since the attacks, the American media has done alot of stories about how Britain's immigration policies are so liberal that the country has been flooded with Muslims extremists. Let's be honest, that is a topic that left wing media organizations like the BBC would never want to touch. Anyway, these guys like Abu Hamza openly call for the destruction of America, Britain, and the West as a whole and they encourage violence against Christians and Jews. That type of incitement to violence probably motivated the people who launched the subway attacks. But for some reason, the British government does nothing about it. The only reason Abu Hamza was ever arrested was after years of pressure that the US put on Britain. Hopefully they will start to get more serious about these Islamic groups and put stricter controls on immigration.
Anyway, my condolences to everyone over in the UK. I know that Americans were deeply moved by what happened and we support the British 110%.
Your post isn't very clever. Streets of London were full one day after? Like other dude said people have to go on living but it doesn't mean they don't think about it n they don't fear. Are u the spokerperson for the British pop ? Plus if u think the US has resolved terrorists problems , u are the only one who thinks that
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I agree with some points i think we are very resiliant people, me and my mates have even been making jokes about it but then we are sick fuckers like that. I know 3 people who there when the bombs went off I know how scary it was for them but everyone else has pretty much got on with things, even the stock markets recovered fully by the next morning. i'd have no isssue with travelling into london.
Our media does report on immigration its just when ever a politicuan brings it up they get branded as rascist.
but on a side note we are on ultra hugh alert and they evacuated 20k people from the centre of birmingham do to a terrror alert.
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I highly doubt some scrawny, smelly Arabs with a bomb in their backpack will cause them to lose sleep.
they caused Americans to...
PS-Youre a fuckin idioit...
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They had their cities bombed everyday by Nazi warplanes for like a year during World War 2.
difference is...they knew back then who was bombing them
peace
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They had their cities bombed everyday by Nazi warplanes for like a year during World War 2.
difference is...they knew back then who was bombing them
peace
we know that now it was a group related to al quaeda, ww2 is a bit different we fighting to maintain our freedom now we are fighting to keep our country safe. also during ww2 churchill made some incredible speaches which inspired the nation not to give up and give it our all which made up for some of his more foolish military decisons. tony blair is the new churchill of our times he can make fantastic speaches and dispite much public hate for taking us into iraq the british people overwhelmingly want blair to lead in time of crisis.
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2 of the 7 areas that were bombed are arab/muslim areas
one is bangoli and the other the infamous edgeware road which is packed with arab citizens and tourists
u know al qaeda uses islam as an excuse to bomb
i mean i understand that the backlash has to happen any ways
but 1 thing for sure arabs aint smelly and definately not stupid
and i aint siding with no shit, wat happend was wrong.. WRONG
BUT speaking of fair fights and cowerdness
using british tanks and american F-22's and apaches to bomb kids throwing stones aint fair either.... bin laden is in afghanistan
go catch him and slay his bitch ass but dont be accusing all muslims/arabs for that guilt
streotyping iz a bitch
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Of course they attack Britain, clear logic thing, with them being the major partner of the US when it comes to fucking up eastern countries. Of course it will ultimately hurt themselves, giving people a reason to hate on them and fuck their countries up further. Just like 9/11, this will ONLY help Bush.
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You cant stop terrorism, unless u kill all muslims
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I highly doubt some scrawny, smelly Arabs with a bomb in their backpack will cause them to lose sleep.
they caused Americans to...
PS-Youre a fuckin idioit...
NO U ARE A FUCKIN IDIOT, THE MAN IS RIGHT
Okay, they caused americans to, because they never had war or something bad happen in their own country before 9/11.
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You cant stop terrorism, unless u kill all muslims
How about we just stop allowing Muslim immigrants into our countries? I mean, no other part of the world is as open and tolerant as the West is towards immigrants. But when members of certain groups become intent on killing us while the rest refuse to condemn their actions, we have a right to say no more.
Say what you want about immigrants from places like Mexico, China, Africa, etc....at least they aren't trying to blow us up because of our religion and nationality.
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bin laden is in afghanistan
go catch him and slay his bitch ass but dont be accusing all muslims/arabs for that guilt
streotyping iz a bitch
1.. is he really. u have proof? tell the FBI where.. there;s a reward!
and..
2.. killing bin laden isnt likely to stop this.. al queda isnt a traditional top down organisation.. its a blanket term for muslim extremists.. bin laden may not have had any involvement or hand in this attack -yet- its still an al queda attack..
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I highly doubt some scrawny, smelly Arabs with a bomb in their backpack will cause them to lose sleep.
they caused Americans to...
PS-Youre a fuckin idioit...
NO U ARE A FUCKIN IDIOT, THE MAN IS RIGHT
Okay, they caused americans to, because they never had war or something bad happen in their own country before 9/11.
uhhh....Pearl Harbor?
And i dont know how long youve been here man. Ive been here for a few years. And yeah, Cwalker has been a fuckin idiot for years now. He's a racist piece of shit, and everyone knows it.
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You cant stop terrorism, unless u kill all muslims
How about we just stop allowing Muslim immigrants into our countries? I mean, no other part of the world is as open and tolerant as the West is towards immigrants. But when members of certain groups become intent on killing us while the rest refuse to condemn their actions, we have a right to say no more.
Say what you want about immigrants from places like Mexico, China, Africa, etc....at least they aren't trying to blow us up because of our religion and nationality.
then they just go in a plane, fly over the border and blow shit up
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Jesus, you guys are still taking this ignorant fool serious?
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I don't think he's a bad guy, maybe he grew up without a mom :(
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I don't think he's a bad guy, maybe he grew up without a mom :(
or maybe he grew up wit the truth. If you grow up among muslim people u dislike them. As simple as that
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I don't think he's a bad guy, maybe he grew up without a mom :(
or maybe he grew up wit the truth. If you grow up among muslim people u dislike them. As simple as that
theres a shitload of Muslims in my city. Mostly African and Iraqi. But, some from other countries too like Iran, etc. I dont really dislike any of them. Well, not anymore then anyone else. And definetely not anymore then those lying, hypocritcal piece of shit Christians...lol
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if extremists blow up shit in your town.. will your view of them change?
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^^ ye agreed
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Those who blow up people & buildings are no Muslims but brainwashed extremists, no more, no less.
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thing is.. its an invisible enemy.. a battle we can't fight properly.
the problem is.. muslims won't combat these rotten elements in their own community..
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if extremists blow up shit in your town.. will your view of them change?
Of the particular "extremists" who did it, yes. Of the entire group of people who have nothing to do with it, no. You would know this history more then me, but for how long had there been problems between Ireland and yall? All the time i used to see shit on the news showing bombs in trash cans hurting or killing people, etc. The Irish are what, mainly Catholic? Do you have a problem with Catholics? Im not of any religion at ALL. But why is it when a Muslim does something their entire religion has to be vilified? When ANY other person does something, their religion doesnt even come into play. No one even asks. If a regular white guy (the Unibomber for example in the US) does anything like this, no one immediately asks what religion they are. But if he was muslim, it would be known RIGHT away. Its like there is this worldwide accepted hatred for Muslims now. You said something about Muslim countries not taking care of these "extremists" in their own countries. You ever think that maybe their just afraid? Do you see a lot of civilians in countries like Mexico being willing to stand up to the drug lords there? No. Even the police chiefs in border cities cant stand up to them, or they die. Plain and simple. Id imagine things arent THAT different in those countries. Shit, even in certain neighborhoods in America citizens are scared of groups that occupy their area. In my city its that way, and i guarentee its that way in a lot of cities where if you try to get in the way you put yourself and maybe your family in harms way. Would you put yourself or your family at risk to keep any violence from occuring in a foreign country, to people who you dont even know or care about? I doubt it. I dont know, ive manage to make the distinction between Muslim and Terrorist....White man and KKK...German and Nazi...English and....j/k I dont wanna get banned, but u get the idea.
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What is the conflict in Northern Ireland about?
Following a 1916 uprising and years of guerrilla war led by the legendary Irish nationalist Michael Collins, the British government decided in 1920 to divide Ireland, which it had ruled as a colony for centuries. An independent state, the Republic of Ireland, was created in the island’s predominantly Catholic south, and the six Ulster counties in the north, with a Protestant majority, remained part of the United Kingdom. The conflict is both political and religious: many Catholic “republicans” in Ulster have complained of being treated as second-class citizens, and they seek to unite Northern Ireland with the Republic of Ireland, but most Protestants want Northern Ireland to remain part of the United Kingdom. Almost 3,500 people on both sides have died since the Troubles began in 1969.
more here >> http://cfrterrorism.org/groups/uvf_print.html
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Attacking "them" back will never resolve the issue, it will only multiply their troops & anger. I dont see how the west could resolve this issue. The middle east only is capable of stopping this at some level by straighting up alot of diffuse relgious interpretations and that only can be done by the influence of relgious leaders.
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^ they;re saying here the pressure needs to be put on the muslim community to take care of this itself.
they're saying that if imam's were to put in the work
unfortunately there is more evidence of the opposite right now.
however.. over here we have new "anti race hate" laws which can prosecute people promoting hatred
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^ they;re saying here the pressure needs to be put on the muslim community to take care of this itself.
they're saying that if imam's were to put in the work
unfortunately there is more evidence of the opposite right now.
however.. over here we have new "anti race hate" laws which can prosecute people promoting hatred
Seer, what do you see as putting the pressure on the muslim community? Just by watching the news I heard about 70 attacks on individual muslims commited just hours after the bombings, also alot of Muslim areas where the pressure between British & Muslims risis in London. This sort of actions will never get Iman's to put a stop to Muslim terrorists.
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^ political or moral pressure..
the UK muslim council has spoken out against the attacks.. but from the outside it seems that muslims are scared to speak up against their own..
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^ political or moral pressure..
the UK muslim council has spoken out against the attacks.. but from the outside it seems that muslims are scared to speak up against their own..
You've got a point. I think Muslims are not allowed to judge other Muslims. To give a little example; I did college at a 80% muslim school and at some day there was a massive fight going on at school between muslims during the Ramadan. When a muslim friend of mine was questioned about there actions those muslims did within the Ramadan period he answered "Well I'm not to judge on another muslim, if they want to fight, its there decision." Which he ment like each moslim decides on how he understands the koran, if they act different then most of us its their understanding." so I do think there is some kind of rule which disables muslims to judge on eachother. Maybe a moslim here could tell us about it :)
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Do you see a lot of civilians in countries like Mexico being willing to stand up to the drug lords there? No. Even the police chiefs in border cities cant stand up to them, or they die.
That is way different though. The only people looking to stop the drug trade is the FBI. The Mexican government could give 2 shits. It brings money into their country that seriously is the only thing keeping every city outside of Mexico City and the spring break spots from going belly up. Their economy depends on the drug money that is being brought in. The cops know that, so they don't say shit. And that is why the latin countries grow enough cocaine to supply every nation in the world.
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^ the middle east has ALWAYS been fucked
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^ uhh. u ever heard of the Crusades?
long before america even existed..
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the problem is.. muslims won't combat these rotten elements in their own community..
That is the essence of the problem. Muslims as a whole won't condemn terrorists. Have you ever seen Muslims anywhere hold a march against terrorism? I haven't....even after all the attacks in New York, Bali, Madrid, and London. Some kind of demonstration against terrorism would do alot to improve the image of Muslims, but for some reason they have never done that. In my opinion, that is because Muslims at best don't care about attacks on non-Muslims and at worst support them.
And for the people wondering why Muslims are associated with terrorism..... take a look around the world. Wherever there is Islam there is terror. It is not the US foreign policy, it is the Islamic religiion. Muslims are currently bombing Christians in the US and UK, Hindus in Kashmir, Jews in Israel, black Christians in Sudan, Russians in Chechynya, etc. In Indonesia and the Phillipines, Muslim rebels are trying to overthrow the governments and create a Muslim state. Hell, even in places like Pakistan different sects of Islam are blowing up each others mosques. Why is it that wherever there are Muslims there is violence? It seems like every group of people in the world gets along except Muslims. They are the problem...despite what people like Ghost want us to believe. Muslims are violent and intolerant of anyone who is different. They want to enforce their religion and culture on anyone who is different.
Muslims are stuck in the 14th century with their backwards religion. I don't want them living around me.
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Jesus, you guys are still taking this ignorant fool serious?
exactly...some of you guys are fucked up.
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thing is.. its an invisible enemy.. a battle we can't fight properly.
the problem is.. muslims won't combat these rotten elements in their own community..
no the problem is you repeating the same garbage that has been stuffed down our throat for the last 4 years.
WHAT-YOU-ARE-SAYIN-IS-GARBAGE-AND-INCORRECT
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thing is.. its an invisible enemy.. a battle we can't fight properly.
the problem is.. muslims won't combat these rotten elements in their own community..
no the problem is you repeating the same garbage that has been stuffed down our throat for the last 4 years.
WHAT-YOU-ARE-SAYIN-IS-GARBAGE-AND-INCORRECT
funny.. we have muslims all over TV saying i'm right :D
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thing is.. its an invisible enemy.. a battle we can't fight properly.
the problem is.. muslims won't combat these rotten elements in their own community..
no the problem is you repeating the same garbage that has been stuffed down our throat for the last 4 years.
WHAT-YOU-ARE-SAYIN-IS-GARBAGE-AND-INCORRECT
Well then please feel free to correct us. :)
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the problem is.. muslims won't combat these rotten elements in their own community..
And for the people wondering why Muslims are associated with terrorism..... take a look around the world. Wherever there is Islam there is terror. It is not the US foreign policy, it is the Islamic religiion. Muslims are currently bombing Christians in the US and UK, Hindus in Kashmir, Jews in Israel, black Christians in Sudan, Russians in Chechynya, etc. In Indonesia and the Phillipines, Muslim rebels are trying to overthrow the governments and create a Muslim state. Hell, even in places like Pakistan different sects of Islam are blowing up each others mosques. Why is it that wherever there are Muslims there is violence? It seems like every group of people in the world gets along except Muslims. They are the problem...despite what people like Ghost want us to believe. Muslims are violent and intolerant of anyone who is different. They want to enforce their religion and culture on anyone who is different.
Muslims are stuck in the 14th century with their backwards religion. I don't want them living around me.
Thats statement is very untrue, almost each community/religion/organisation has extremists, Jews are terrorists by law in Iraq, no better then the muslim extremists but they have the law in hand & Bush his support. I could name lots of terrorist organisations that have done far more worst in a few years then the Muslim extremists did these last 100 years. So its a bit silly to say Islam is Terrorism.
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of course islam is not terrorism. however it does seem to be slow to condemn its attacks, yet quick to attack those who speak out against it.
however.. the daily terrorism most westerners have seen in the media 'at home' is related to muslims.
i know that historically in england and spain at least we've had the irish and eta (think thats what its called) doing attacks.
soft target attacks are always wrong.
i know that the IRA didn't do many like that.. they went for politcians (e..g brighton bombings) and opposing figures rather than something so random. (not sure about those pub bombings though?)
hell they even fired a mortar in the back garden of #10 one time,.
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its the radical preachers that create terrorism, they turn impressionable young minds into suicide bombers etc as long as muslims allow these people to preach there will be terrorists.
the middle east is fucked because the ottomans got stuck in their ways after the 1600s and spent the next 2 and a half centuries in decline and could never create an identity everyone could relate too, its funny really its the christians subjects in the balklands states who were more pro ottoman.
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maybe not later on but intially christians welcomed the rule of law and it braught an end to the internal feuding which had gone on for centuries before.
on the middle east... ottomans were muslims, the majority of the middle east is muslim, therefore a muslim empire has legitimacy and can bring all these peoples under one identity and hence one nation much like china and russia have achieved, they could still have minorities as long as they don't cause trouble.
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to be honest... when i 1st heard they bombed edgware road.. i was in shock...
because i live in that area and around 70% of my area are muslim :-\
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i specifically didn't go into the europeans who came into in the 19th and 20th century, the ottomans were weak for the reasons i explained and the middle east provide little or no fiscal or militray benefits. what i was pointing out is that you they had their chance but they blew it and the europeans who at that time had better armies and were better at colonising took over.
oh and i point i forgot to mention about your previous post, radical preachers praising terrorist attacks only encourages others to do the same I know things are fucked up for some muslims but killing people who have no control over these things or anything to do with them is a cowardly act and should be condemed strongly be it in pakistan or britain.
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Dhimmitude = Apartheid
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Dhimmitude = Apartheid
LMFAO!!!! Your opinions have no legitimacy little boy.
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the problem is.. muslims won't combat these rotten elements in their own community..
That is the essence of the problem. Muslims as a whole won't condemn terrorists. Have you ever seen Muslims anywhere hold a march against terrorism? I haven't....even after all the attacks in New York, Bali, Madrid, and London. Some kind of demonstration against terrorism would do alot to improve the image of Muslims, but for some reason they have never done that. In my opinion, that is because Muslims at best don't care about attacks on non-Muslims and at worst support them.
And for the people wondering why Muslims are associated with terrorism..... take a look around the world. Wherever there is Islam there is terror. It is not the US foreign policy, it is the Islamic religiion. Muslims are currently bombing Christians in the US and UK, Hindus in Kashmir, Jews in Israel, black Christians in Sudan, Russians in Chechynya, etc. In Indonesia and the Phillipines, Muslim rebels are trying to overthrow the governments and create a Muslim state. Hell, even in places like Pakistan different sects of Islam are blowing up each others mosques. Why is it that wherever there are Muslims there is violence? It seems like every group of people in the world gets along except Muslims. They are the problem...despite what people like Ghost want us to believe. Muslims are violent and intolerant of anyone who is different. They want to enforce their religion and culture on anyone who is different.
lol those last two lines are CLASSIC lol. Coming from someone waiving an American flag. Funny shit...i wonder why the entire world see's us as hypocrits...
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1) If The US changes it's immigration laws to ban the entering of Muslims around the world. It would go against everything America stands for. I mean America is basically an immigrant nation. The founders of America weren't native american
2) I myself am Muslim. And you racist bastards will love this even more - I am of Afghan descent as well. My parents came to this country during the 1979 war with Russia. I grew up and still live in a community which is 90% Jewish. I live around the corner from the main jewish center and have known Jewish kids my whole life. My friends will be the first to tell you that they feel no discomfort around me or believe they will be harmed in any way by simply conversating with me.
3) I think the main reason why Muslims do not hold a big march against terrorism is the fear of an attack. If the ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS saw a group of muslims condemning the attacks around the world, they will most likely get bombed in the middle of the march. Its the truth. Muslims do not condone the attacks that have occured or do occur presently, it goes without saying.
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Dhimmitude = Apartheid
Muslims are all for tolerance, diversity, and secularism....in countries where they are in the minority. However, where they are the majority it is a much different story.
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Dhimmitude = Apartheid
Yup... just like Israel with the Palestinians... the U.S. should really put an end to these apartheids
No. It's not ANYTHING like the Israeli's and Palestinians.
Also, what does that have anything to do with what I wrote?
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LMFAO!!!! Your opinions have no legitimacy little boy.
As opposed to the plagiarizing short order cook?
Suuuurrrreeeeee....
Go catch another ban you moron.
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You're right, it's not as bad as the Israeli apartheid.
Israeli Apartheid?!
LMAO.
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You're right, it's not as bad as the Israeli apartheid.
Israeli Apartheid?!
LMAO.
Laugh all you want, it won't change the situation.
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You're right...
Hamas Says Gaza Withdrawal Won't Stop Conflict
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archive\200507\FOR20050714c.html
Explosion rips Israeli shopping mall; three killed
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-12-israel-blast_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA
I don't even know why I respond to your trolling.
Edited because I'm a Moran!
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You're right...
Hamas Says Gaza Withdrawal Won't Stop Conflict
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archive\200507\FOR20050714c.html
Explosion rips Israeli shopping mall; three killed
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-12-israel-blast_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA
I don't even know why I respond to you're trolling.
First of all, since you're always so quick to point out others' mistakes, the correct word is YOUR, not YOU'RE.
In addition, the 2 articles don't say anything about the apartheid wall, which is the argument here.
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First of all, since you're always so quick to point out others' mistakes, the correct word is YOUR, not YOU'RE.
In addition, the 2 articles don't say anything about the apartheid wall, which is the argument here.
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That's what I thought.
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Yes, it is my right to show you and prove to you that I'm right. :)
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http://www.phoenix.edu/
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I don't even know why I respond to you're trolling.
You really are one to talk...
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http://www.phoenix.edu/
You should give it a shot. I like UCLA.
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LMFAO... YOU FUCKING IDIOT.... HAHAHAHAHAHA.
OWNED. 8)
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Oh shit! I didn't even see that bottom one!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!
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The name stays changed until tomorrow
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www.phoenix.edu (http://www.phoenix.edu)
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I agree with some points i think we are very resiliant people, me and my mates have even been making jokes about it but then we are sick fuckers like that. I know 3 people who there when the bombs went off I know how scary it was for them but everyone else has pretty much got on with things, even the stock markets recovered fully by the next morning. i'd have no isssue with travelling into london.
To kind of get it back on to this topic, I think ultimately you have to realize that London was terrorized for a long fucking time during World War 2, they had missles and bombs raining down on them in air raids every fucking morning and not only made it through it, but became stronger after it, I think they'd have to put something in the water to make Londoner's give a fuck about a terrorist.
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You're right...
Hamas Says Gaza Withdrawal Won't Stop Conflict
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archive\200507\FOR20050714c.html
Explosion rips Israeli shopping mall; three killed
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-12-israel-blast_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA
I don't even know why I respond to your trolling.
Edited because I'm a Moran!
come on the gazaa withdrawal is just a ploy to try and keep most of the westbank, particularly east jersulem. Israel has made no secret of this, they want more bargening power when the west bank eventually gets disgussed.
on the the explosion at the weekend I'd hardly say israel has kept up their end of the bargin to make it easier for mr abbas but he did also condem the attacks calling them traitors or sommink.