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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: mauzip on July 26, 2005, 09:49:21 AM
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Killer of Dutch filmmaker jailed
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) -- A Dutch court sentenced the killer of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh to life in prison Tuesday, the harshest sentence possible for a murder that heightened ethnic tensions and raised concerns about homegrown Islamic terrorism.
Mohammed Bouyeri, 27, had mounted no defense at his two-day trial earlier this month for the Nov. 2 slaying of Van Gogh, whom he accused of insulting Islam, and told the court he would do it again if given the chance.
Presiding judge Udo Willem Bentinck said life in prison was the only fitting punishment for a crime that sought to undermine Dutch democracy and the political system. He said the three-judge panel had concluded there was no possibility for Bouyeri to return to society, citing his lack of remorse.
Bouyeri, wearing a black and white checkered headscarf, showed no emotion as he shook his lawyer's hand following the verdict. He had earlier told the court he had intended to die in the action and become a martyr for his faith.
Bouyeri has two weeks if he wants to lodge an appeal, but that appeared unlikely.
He was convicted of the murder, described in the judgment as a terrorist attack, the attempted murder of bystanders and police officers, illegal possession of firearms and of impeding the work of a member of parliament, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, whom he had threatened to kill in a letter impaled in Van Gogh's chest.
Bouyeri ambushed the filmmaker on an Amsterdam street, shot him repeatedly, stabbed him and slit his throat before thrusting his manifesto into his chest on the point of a knife.
Some witnesses said he was so calm "it looked like he was out walking his dog," the judge said, describing the murder and the subsequent shootout with police.
In his earlier court appearance, Bouyeri said he had acted in the name of Islam and felt no pain for Van Gogh's family. "What moved me to do what I did was purely my faith," he told the court. "I was motivated by the law that commands me to cut off the head of anyone who insults Allah and his prophet."
Bouyeri is the son of Moroccan immigrants but was raised and educated in the Netherlands.
Reprisal attacks
Van Gogh, a distant relative of the famous painter, was a social critic and columnist who attacked the treatment of women in fundamentalist Islamic households in a short film, "Submission," which offended many Muslims.
The film's scriptwriter was Hirsi Ali, a Somali-born member of parliament who went into hiding for several months after Van Gogh's murder because she was named in the note left on the corpse.
The killing led to dozens of arson attacks against Islamic schools and mosques and has strained relations with the country's 1 million Muslim immigrants.
The judgment referred to Bouyeri's links with a terrorist cell known as the Hofstad Network. He was said to have attended private prayer sessions with a Syrian spiritual leader, Redouan al-Issar, who is reportedly in custody in Damascus, Syria.
On Wednesday, another Dutch court will review the case of a dozen suspected Hofstad Network members. Though they were not accused of having links to Van Gogh's murder, prosecutors say they were plotting other terrorist attacks.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/26/dutch.killer.ap/index.html
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buh that guy is totally crazy in his head.
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Im in shock that he got life sentence. I thought he would only get a few months. Since we live in holland
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oh yeah u get all feely when a dutch guy gets killed huh?
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oh yeah u get all feely when a dutch guy gets killed huh?
no, i couldnt stand the guy that was killed neither. But the reason why this dude killed him bothers me.
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oh yeah u get all feely when a dutch guy gets killed huh?
Oh yeah, of course a human life doesn't mean shit, so it doesn't matter if you take it away from someone. Huh?
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Its that a muslim CANT diss another muslim.. no matter what they've done.
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shut up man
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buh that guy is totally crazy in his head.
so are you saying his jail sentence ain't justified?
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shut up man
truth hurts king tetchy?
p.s. watch out Mauzip.. one of the failed british bombers is rumoured to have possibly boarded a coach to holland right after the attack failed..
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shut up man
truth hurts king tetchy?
p.s. watch out Mauzip.. one of the failed british bombers is rumoured to have possibly boarded a coach to holland right after the attack failed..
he'll be one of the many extremists out here :-\
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buh that guy is totally crazy in his head.
so are you saying his jail sentence ain't justified?
I think we all know the blame for this terrorist murder lies with America's foreign policy.....
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buh that guy is totally crazy in his head.
so are you saying his jail sentence ain't justified?
I think we all know the blame for this terrorist murder lies with America's foreign policy.....
LOLLL how the fuck is this a terrorist murder?
Who are you going to blame for your stupidity?
C-Walker mentality: Muslim killing whitey = Terrorist attack
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This is a terrorist murder cause this guy wants/wanted to cause tension among the people, just like how other terrorists have that intention.
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It's alright... Bush started a trend... bigots all across the country are now making up their own words and definitions for things...
I once wrote a really good essay about this created trend in an english test. I had to turn that test in though so I don't have it at home. I got maximum points and the teacher said it was brilliant and shit, so yeah I liked it too, maybe I ask him if I can get it back for a day to type it up. I don't see him before late september though lol. I think all this terrorist name-calling is quite comparable to the which-hunting attitude a couple 100 years back, for instance.
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its an extremist murder not a terrorist one.
we hear how things 'are' in the middle east, but few see it with their own eyes.
"I was motivated by the law that commands me to cut off the head of anyone who insults Allah and his prophet."
this sends the worst kind of message to people outside islam. it says if you speak against islam they want you dead.
no wonder people inside the faith are not forthcoming or slow in condeming terrorist attacks by muslims.
this brings what we 'hear' home where we're used to freedom of speech.
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Janal, do you really think you have any right to judge this situation? You don't know what this murder did to The Netherlands and you don't know what the intentions of Mohammed Bouyeri were. You may have read like two articles on this shit and that's it. You don't know enough to judge this. And check this:
He was convicted of the murder, described in the judgment as a terrorist attack, the attempted murder of bystanders and police officers, illegal possession of firearms and of impeding the work of a member of parliament, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, whom he had threatened to kill in a letter impaled in Van Gogh's chest.
:idea:
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buh that guy is totally crazy in his head.
so are you saying his jail sentence ain't justified?
I think we all know the blame for this terrorist murder lies with America's foreign policy.....
LOLLL how the fuck is this a terrorist murder?
Who are you going to blame for your stupidity?
The murder was designed to cause terror among the public and serve as a warning to anyone who dares to criticize Islam as a religion. We can't live in a society where people fear for their life because of something that they say. So because their was a poltiical motivation it was a terrorist attack, and the government in the Netherlands are treating it as such. The guy who did it was a member of a terror organization.
Seriously, educate yourself man because you are coming off incredibly stupid.
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Seriously, educate yourself man because you are coming off incredibly stupid.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4720867.stm
Dutch face future after Van Gogh
By Laura Smith-Spark
BBC News
Following the jailing of a radical Islamist for the murder of controversial film-maker Theo van Gogh, the Netherlands faces the question of how best to move forward.
Bouyeri was jailed for life for murder and committing a terrorist act
The life sentence handed down to 27-year-old Mohammed Bouyeri came as little surprise after he confessed to the killing in court - and vowed to do the same again, given the chance.
But a day later, debate continues over what can be done to heal the tensions his actions have stirred up between Muslim and non-Muslim in the Netherlands.
The news that Bouyeri will now also be charged as a leader of an alleged Islamist terror network plotting attacks against politicians may add to public unease.
Paul Scheffer, professor of urban sociology at Amsterdam University, said the future of Dutch multi-ethnic relations could hinge on the period following Bouyeri's sentencing.
'Price of freedom'
He said: "If there is more violence or more forms of terrorism then it will be seen as a beginning of a longer period of instability and conflict, and that would be something of a turning point.
"If nothing along those lines happens again, people would look at it as a tragic event but more as an isolated incident."
Theo Van Gogh was a well-known critic of fundamentalist Islam
Prof Scheffer said Van Gogh's murder - a direct response to his film, Submission, which criticised the treatment of women under Islam - had also raised serious questions about freedom of speech.
"It's something that was felt in the Netherlands very sharply after this murder - people were really hesitant to express themselves," he said.
"Many Muslims claim the rights of freedom of expression and freedom of religion for themselves but aren't willing to understand that in an open society the criticism of religion is completely legitimate... It's the price of an open society."
He believes that while security forces must be quicker to deal with radical imams who preach hate, the Muslim community also has a responsibility to fight against terrorism.
Target for terror?
Peter van Heemst, the opposition Labour party spokesman on terrorism, warns the feelings stirred up by Van Gogh's murder last November remain very volatile.
While there is relief at the life sentence handed down to Bouyeri, he said, people now have a greater fear the Netherlands could, like Madrid and London, become a wider target for terror.
If there was a terrorist attack in this country it could very easily lead to an explosion of violence
Opposition MP Peter van Heemst
"I think those tensions are a little bit less visible now but they are still very strong and they are under the surface," he said.
"If there was a terrorist attack in this country it could very easily lead to an explosion of violence. I am very worried."
Mr van Heemst is critical of the court's decision not to deprive Bouyeri of his voting rights.
The MP fears Bouyeri, who has joint Dutch-Moroccan nationality, could win the support of some 60,000 voters if he decided to enter politics from his prison cell.
Sebastiaan Gottlieb, international law editor for Radio Netherlands, said the country's newspapers seem to share the concern that Bouyeri could gain a political following.
"His actions are not denounced by everyone because some young people especially think what he did was right or can understand why he murdered Van Gogh," he said.
"They were really upset by his insults to the Islamic religion."
'Not a big issue'
But Ahmed Larouz, a Dutch Moroccan and chairman of the group Towards A New Start, said it was easy to over-estimate the strength of feeling in the Muslim community.
He said he was now more concerned by events in London, although he acknowledges the Van Gogh case has had an impact on Moroccans in the Netherlands.
"It affected the dialogue, it affected everything here in this country. It affected the way we live," Mr Larouz said.
Van Gogh's murder has made some people wary of speaking freely
"But we expected the verdict on Bouyeri. He deserved to be punished like that, so he is punished like that. We are not even really talking about it. It's not a big issue any more for us."
Sybrand van Haersma Buma, a spokesman for the Christian Democratic party (CDA), points out that without a change in the law a year ago it would have been difficult to jail Bouyeri for life.
He is concerned that despite the efforts of the authorities, growing cultural divisions may put the Netherlands' traditional freedoms at risk.
"In Europe it is more than ever important to keep our standards of democracy, keep our standards and keep our way we want to live our lives," he said.
Prof Scheffer agreed: "If there is more violence like we've seen in Madrid and London, and in the Netherlands, it will become very difficult to live together in a peaceful way.
"We should try to do everything we can to achieve that - because otherwise everyone loses out."
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Seriously, educate yourself man because you are coming off incredibly stupid.
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Seriously, educate yourself man because you are coming off incredibly stupid.
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Seriously, educate yourself man because you are coming off incredibly stupid.
THERE vs. THEIR
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LOL talk about killing 2 birds with 1 stone 8)
2 Homos left without words after being sonned for the millionth time...
You 2 retards can keep quoting yourselves... let me know when you get to my level, so I can drop some more knowledge on you faggots
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buh that guy is totally crazy in his head.
so are you saying his jail sentence ain't justified?
i was refering to the killer, that he's crazy and DESERVES to be locked up rest for his life.
in no way did I mean it aint justified.
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I'm not exactly sure if you should call this a "terrorist act" since the murderer didn't randomly go out to kill people. He knew what he was doing, but the purpose of the killing can be considered a terrorist act. Shock as many people as possible, mainly those who think differently. That's what he did. Shock, threaten and create a feeling of insecurity. That's what I call terrorism.
Funny how you manage to mix your "intelligence" with pointless insultings, "Fuck you, pay me". I rest my case.
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Shock, threaten and create a feeling of insecurity. That's what I call terrorism.
That's what this guy did.
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That's what you do when you're pissing in public. Fuckin terrorist.
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This entire story is filled with lame ness
This dude who did the killing is a dumb shit for brains immigrant. He thought islam was being insulted and he wanted to do something about it. Despite the fact that Muslims are urged to ignore and stay away from those being disrespectful, not kill them. So this dude is lame, for being a fuckin retard.
The guy who got popped. He;s a fuckin lame too.
Van Gough this guy prided himself on being a bad ass, posing for pictures wit cigarettes in his mouth, being a rebel renegade producer.
Homie wanted to insult Islam, you dumb motherfucker, u shouldve known the job was dangerous when u took it chump.
Yeah he popped all sorts of shit, but when he got checked he was beggin for his life./
Lameness every where.
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The guy who got popped. He;s a fuckin lame too.
Van Gough this guy prided himself on being a bad ass, posing for pictures wit cigarettes in his mouth, being a rebel renegade producer.
Homie wanted to insult Islam, you dumb motherfucker, u shouldve known the job was dangerous when u took it chump.
Yeah he popped all sorts of shit, but when he got checked he was beggin for his life.
Van Gogh was actually making a film about how Muslim women aren't being treated equally in their families. Do you call that insulting the Islam?
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Van Gough this guy prided himself on being a bad ass, posing for pictures wit cigarettes in his mouth, being a rebel renegade producer.
Homie wanted to insult Islam, you dumb motherfucker, u shouldve known the job was dangerous when u took it chump.
Yeah he popped all sorts of shit, but when he got checked he was beggin for his life./
The fact that Muslims think like this is proof that Muslims are incapable of living in western society. They are used to having Islam dominate every aspect of society in their countries, and definitely not ever having it challenged. So when someone does, they don't know how to respond so they resort to violence like Bouyeri, or they attempt to rationalize the violeence like Tech is doing.
Very scary stuff....that is why people like Tech should not be allowed to live in our countries. Thery can't grasp the fact that even the mighty Islam is open to criticism in a free society. Please go away........
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1. Some white bigot killed a Muslim filmmaker in New York after 9/11... was that a terrorist attack? No. This is no different. Just because he's the leader of a so-called terrorist organization (which these days could apply to almost any organization, even the ACLU), doesn't imply that it was a terrorist attack. He's a Muslim fanatic who killed someone, that's not synonymous with terrorism, unless you're an ignorant bigot.
that's a hate crime, there were no political demands. just a scumbag with a bad case of media-bred hysteria
the person this thread is about fits the definition of a terrorist, he acted illegally to spread terror and it was to stop people from bashing his religious beliefs
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Wait, just to clarify for everybody here, what country exactly are Dutch people from?
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Wait, just to clarify for everybody here, what country exactly are Dutch people from?
Same country as Peter Pan... Neverland
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Wait, just to clarify for everybody here, what country exactly are Dutch people from?
Same country as Peter Pan... Neverland
Netherlands.