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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Jome on August 31, 2005, 05:46:14 AM
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http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1184469,00.html (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1184469,00.html)
Article is dated 2004, zee Germans saw this one coming.. and it may happen again.
Trittin: We want to save the U.S.
If the U.S. does not take action to reduce its emissions, Trittin warned, parts of the East Coast and nature reserves like the Everglades in Florida could be covered with water in several decades due to the melting of glaciers, which threaten to the sea level worldwide.
"We, from the other side, want to save these areas of the U.S.," Trittin said. "We love the Everglades, for example. And this is the reason why we think the Kyoto Protocol must enter into force."
Trittin read out a laundry list of celluloid nightmares of global warming, from Kevin Costner's "Waterworld" to Roland Emmerich's latest movie, which depicts the Earth falling into an overnight ice age as a result of global warming.
"We have a challenge," he said. "The challenge is that the reality of 'The Day After Tomorrow' should not become reality, the picture should not become reality. Therefore, the next 15 years are key for preventing polar ice caps from melting. And this is the reason why we think the Kyoto Protocol must enter into force."
The same Jürgen Trittin recently told German TV-station ZDF: "Americans have themselves to blame. Germany have reduced emissions with 18.5% since 1990, but in U.S., emissions are rising and rising. It shows on the environment."
According to Trittin, the average American is responsible for 2.5 times as much emissions as the average European, and he is very skeptical to George Bush for declining the Kyoto Protocol, and says it will most likely happen again.
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It's not the first time. We warned them before 9/11, we still warn them about stuff now and then, and in a couple years there will be the consequences we predicted. Right now we try to cut atomic energy and work on using wind energy and shit, we might see somebody crying in 50 years because they didnt.
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Right now we try to cut atomic energy and work on using wind energy and shit
Yeah, Germany is unique in that.
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OH, I get it! Bush caused the Hurricane. You are fucking pathetic. There's people dead over here and you see it as political.
The point is that the US has been warned about this and didn't do anything with the information.
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OH, I get it! Bush caused the Hurricane. You are fucking pathetic. There's people dead over here and you see it as political.
^^ Who are you referring to ?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/national/30cycle.html?ei=5065&en=9e0e24b0c5ee1d90&ex=1125979200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print
Storms Vary With Cycles, Experts Say
By KENNETH CHANG
Because hurricanes form over warm ocean water, it is easy to assume that the recent rise in their number and ferocity is because of global warming.
But that is not the case, scientists say. Instead, the severity of hurricane seasons changes with cycles of temperatures of several decades in the Atlantic Ocean. The recent onslaught "is very much natural," said William M. Gray, a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University who issues forecasts for the hurricane season.
From 1970 to 1994, the Atlantic was relatively quiet, with no more than three major hurricanes in any year and none at all in three of those years. Cooler water in the North Atlantic strengthened wind shear, which tends to tear storms apart before they turn into hurricanes.
In 1995, hurricane patterns reverted to the active mode of the 1950's and 60's. From 1995 to 2003, 32 major hurricanes, with sustained winds of 111 miles per hour or greater, stormed across the Atlantic. It was chance, Dr. Gray said, that only three of them struck the United States at full strength.
Historically, the rate has been 1 in 3.
Then last year, three major hurricanes, half of the six that formed during the season, hit the United States. A fourth, Frances, weakened before striking Florida.
"We were very lucky in that eight-year period, and the luck just ran out," Dr. Gray said.
Global warming may eventually intensify hurricanes somewhat, though different climate models disagree.
In an article this month in the journal Nature, Kerry A. Emanuel, a hurricane expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, wrote that global warming might have already had some effect. The total power dissipated by tropical cyclones in the North Atlantic and North Pacific increased 70 to 80 percent in the last 30 years, he wrote.
But even that seemingly large jump is not what has been pushing the hurricanes of the last two years, Dr. Emanuel said, adding, "What we see in the Atlantic is mostly the natural swing."
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^So why did God do this? Any thoughts? ::)
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There is no fucking way mankind is even remotely powerful enough to affect the weather on a catastrophic scale, that's insanity.
LOL
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Yes yes, ignore my article...
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I just went back and read your article, and they're talking about rising sea levels, not hurricanes you moron.
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I just went back and read your article, and they're talking about rising sea levels, not hurricanes you moron.
Yeah, cuz we all know that global warming doesn't effect storms, hurricanes, floods, rising sea levels etc. right ?? ::)
The point in fact, was that the German minister said a disaster would happen, and it did, even if it wasn't 100% on point.
Of course you will find experts with lots of different theses, but you will find more experts supporting global warming than "happens from time to time" or Trauma's "It's GOD!".
I see you corrected the grammar in your picture, good work. (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/thumbup.gif)
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You chew on this one, go Google it for further info:
global warming
n.
An increase in the average temperature of the earth's atmosphere, especially a sustained increase sufficient to cause climatic change.
Climatic change!
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East Coast and nature reserves like the Everglades in Florida could be covered with water in several decades due to the melting of glaciers, which threaten to the sea level worldwide.
which depicts the Earth falling into an overnight ice age as a result of global warming.
preventing polar ice caps from melting.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
I don't even know where to begin with your asinine logic... This guy comes out with an article warning about the melting polar ice caps. A hurricane brought about flooding. Please show me how the two are connected.
Stick to what you know: Taxi cabs.
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East Coast and nature reserves like the Everglades in Florida could be covered with water in several decades due to the melting of glaciers, which threaten to the sea level worldwide.
which depicts the Earth falling into an overnight ice age as a result of global warming.
preventing polar ice caps from melting.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
I don't even know where to begin with your asinine logic... This guy comes out with an article warning about the melting polar ice caps. A hurricane brought about flooding. Please show me how the two are connected.
Stick to what you know: Taxi cabs.
To your info, I didn't write the article and neither was I quoted in it, good job Sherlock.
You never learned about global warming in school, and you don't think ice melting will nor can affect the global weather ?
You think it's just "natural cycles" that causes all these nature disasters lately ?? :D
The climate is changing pretty fast, and you're obviously clueless to why.
OR wait, is it god ?!?? ;D
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Pick an argument and stick with it.
You initially came out saying the floods were caused by ice caps melting.
Now you're saying its climate change?
All this shit is really just semantics and shows was a creep you really are. Instead of having compassion like a regular person, you feel the need to place blame on the victims. Good one.
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Pick an argument and stick with it.
You initially came out saying the floods were caused by ice caps melting.
Now you're saying its climate change?
All this shit is really just semantics and shows was a creep you really are. Instead of having compassion like a regular person, you feel the need to place blame on the victims. Good one.
Climate change is caused by GLOBAL WARMING (raised temperature), and GLOBAL WARMING will melt ice caps (already have), which eventually will lead to raised sea levels, it will upset the climates natural ways, and will eventually cause disasters like cities/countries being FLOODED, it will cause STORMS & HURRICANES/CYCLONES on a regular unpredictable basis, the atmospheric disturbance will make the weather/climate very unpredictable, and the recent disasters shows it.
Is Global Warming just a fairytale to you ?
I'm not saying the New Orleans disaster is neccessarily caused by Global Warming, but doesn't this stuff happen a little too often Engel ?
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Climate change is caused by GLOBAL WARMING (raised temperature), and GLOBAL WARMING will melt ice caps (already have), which eventually will lead to raised sea levels, it will upset the climates natural ways, and will eventually cause disasters like cities/countries being FLOODED, it will cause STORMS & HURRICANES/CYCLONES on a regular unpredictable basis, the atmospheric disturbance will make the weather/climate very unpredictable, and the recent disasters shows it.
Thats all fine and dandy... Why didn't you post up an article showing that? All I see is bullshit about ice caps melting and causing flooding. You have shown NOTHING to back up your statements.
I'm not saying the New Orleans disaster is neccessarily caused by Global Warming,
Check the title of the thread moron.
but doesn't this stuff happen a little too often Engel
Yep! You're right. There were no hurricanes before the industrial revolution!!! You've been alive for what? 14, 15 years? How do you know what's "A little too often"?? Are you a climatologist? A meteorologist? A college graduate? A storm chaser? None of the above? Great. Then you have no room to lecture people on climate change, epecially because you drive a taxi cab. You pollute MUCH more than the average person.
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Climate change is caused by GLOBAL WARMING (raised temperature), and GLOBAL WARMING will melt ice caps (already have), which eventually will lead to raised sea levels, it will upset the climates natural ways, and will eventually cause disasters like cities/countries being FLOODED, it will cause STORMS & HURRICANES/CYCLONES on a regular unpredictable basis, the atmospheric disturbance will make the weather/climate very unpredictable, and the recent disasters shows it.
Thats all fine and dandy... Why didn't you post up an article showing that? All I see is bullshit about ice caps melting and causing flooding. You have shown NOTHING to back up your statements.
You and your Google links, didn't you learn this shit in SCHOOL !?!?!? ???
I asked you before, but I got no answer, so I assume you have no idea what Global Warming means.
Check the title of the thread moron.
Not NECESSARILY, but it may be a huge part of it.
Yep! You're right. There were no hurricanes before the industrial revolution!!! You've been alive for what? 14, 15 years? How do you know what's "A little too often"?? Are you a climatologist? A meteorologist? A college graduate? A storm chaser? None of the above? Great. Then you have no room to lecture people on climate change, epecially because you drive a taxi cab. You pollute MUCH more than the average person.
24 years, if you may wonder. College, yes.
Storm chaser/Climatologist/meteorologist, no. I assume you're neither either, Google links doesn't count!
Polluting more than the average person maybe, but not more than the average American. :wavey:
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Thats all fine and dandy... Why didn't you post up an article showing that? All I see is bullshit about ice caps melting and causing flooding. You have shown NOTHING to back up your statements.
The very first result in a simple Google search, common knowledge, even in 1996:
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1848/global.html (http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1848/global.html)
THE EFFECTS OF GLOBAL WARMING
"Global warming will be the greatest environmental challenge in the 21st century."
- Vice President, Albert Gore.
One of the most current and widely discussed factor which could lead to the ultimate end of existence of Earth and man is global warming and its devastating effects. Scientists have asked how fast the Earth is heating up, and how the warming effects on Earth may effect crops and climatic conditions. Several current trends clearly demonstrate that global warming is directly impacting on; rising sea levels, the melting of icecaps, and significant worldwide climatic changes..
When many people think of global warming, their first concern is the possible rise of sea levels. With a large number of the world's cities in coastal areas, this is a significant problem. There are two major causes of rising sea levels. First, extra water is produced when ice melts. Secondly, the natural expansion of sea water as it becomes warmer. The range of sea ice around both poles continues to shrink, as it melts. Even with the level of greenhouse gases present today, the earth may warm enough in the next 50 years or so to completely melt the sea ice located on the poles.
Damage from rising seas is very diverse. Buildings and roads close to the water could be flooded and they could suffer damage from hurricanes and tropical storms. "There are good physical reasons to suggest that more intense storms (hurricanes) could result from global warming." Warmer oceans cause more intense storms. Experts believe that global warming could increase the intensity of hurricanes by over 50 percent. Hurricane Andrew's devastation in 1992 set new records. According to the National Hurricane Center in Miami, the 1990 season was the most active year on their records for combined Atlantic and Pacific hurricanes. Damage caused by future hurricanes to populated areas will be more severe since higher sea levels are predicted for the next century. In addition, as the sea rises, beach erosion takes place, particularly on steep banks. Wetlands are lost as sea levels rise. Another serious problem is the threat of salt water intruding into underground fresh water reserves in coastal areas.
Like I said earlier, floods, hurricanes/cyclones, storms, sea level rising, + I forgot the salt water being mixed with fresh water part, etc.
I learned it in school, I don't really need links to back me up.
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LMAO!!!!!
GEOCITIES!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, a Geocities page with somebody who knows what they're talking about.
Time serious enough for you ??
http://www.time.com/time/2001/globalwarming/a.html
http://www.time.com/time/2001/globalwarming/b.html
http://www.time.com/time/2001/globalwarming/c.html
http://www.time.com/time/2001/globalwarming/d.html
http://www.time.com/time/2001/globalwarming/e.html
The same info. Don't make yourself look dumber than you are.
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East Coast and nature reserves like the Everglades in Florida could be covered with water in several decades due to the melting of glaciers, which threaten to the sea level worldwide.
which depicts the Earth falling into an overnight ice age as a result of global warming.
preventing polar ice caps from melting.
typical none spirital GERMAN...why germans think they know every fucking thing.I understand what your trying to say,but that was real direspectful about oh!it was god...thats the reason why fucking GERMANY is HEX for life.yall muthafuckas are souless.only thing yall want to do is drink,sing bullshit songs together,,and complane......go take a holiday or something bitch. :psych:
HAHAHAHAHAHA
I don't even know where to begin with your asinine logic... This guy comes out with an article warning about the melting polar ice caps. A hurricane brought about flooding. Please show me how the two are connected.
Stick to what you know: Taxi cabs.
To your info, I didn't write the article and neither was I quoted in it, good job Sherlock.
You never learned about global warming in school, and you don't think ice melting will nor can affect the global weather ?
You think it's just "natural cycles" that causes all these nature disasters lately ?? :D
The climate is changing pretty fast, and you're obviously clueless to why.
OR wait, is it god ?!?? ;D
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Yes yes, ignore my article...
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LMFAOOOOOOO CLASSIC
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http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml
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i know this is very random, but i remember reading that if the U.S. Engergy companies would spend 1 year's profits to make solar batteries, they could supply every roof in the United States with these batteries, which would produce about as much energy is being used
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OH, I get it! Bush caused the Hurricane. You are fucking pathetic. There's people dead over here and you see it as political.
glodal warming is why the frequency of natural disasters is increasing and so is the scale of damage they cause. and its not just that now more than 2 million homes in uk are prone to flooding this has only happenned in recent years so go figure
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OH, I get it! Bush caused the Hurricane. You are fucking pathetic. There's people dead over here and you see it as political.
glodal warming is why the frequency of natural disasters is increasing and so is the scale of damage they cause. and its not just that now more than 2 million homes in uk are prone to flooding this has only happenned in recent years so go figure
People like Trauma just don't want to feel responsible for anything that's fucked up in the world. When something bad like 9/11 happens, it can't be that the US policies might have created a motive for terrorists doing something like this or that the US didnt enough to prevent such an attack. When New Orleans gets flooded the fuck out it can't be that people fucked around with nature too much, because "humans could *NEVER do ANYthing to have an influence on nature, that's insanity." so it must be God doing random stuff for no reason but being the naughty motherfucker He is. Fucking super.(http://www.board.rawdawgz.net/deu/images/icons/icon16.gif)
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I would like to bring something to everyone's attention. I was just checking out the Farmers Almanac and I found something kind of interesting.
September 2005
1st-3rd. Fair. 4th-7th. Windy New Mexico. Scattered showers Texas east, then fair. 8th-11th. Severe thunderstorms Southern Rockies and Southern Plains; tornadoes possible. 12th-15th. Clearing, pleasant, except hurricane threat Texas and Louisiana coasts, then fair. 16th-19th. Turning unsettled, showers northern New Mexico and Southern Plains, then fair. 20th-23rd. Fair, then scattered showers and a few thunderstorms. 24th-27th. Windy, locally heavy showers New Mexico and Texas. Showery, thundery Louisiana, Arkansas. 28th-30th. Fair and unseasonably chilly.
http://www.farmersalmanac.com/weather/uszone5.html
So by simple deduction from a couple hundred years of recording weather patterns, someone actually predicted a hurricane would occur even though it is about 3 weeks off. There is global warming happening, but if someone can look at previous years and see a pattern, it can't be that bad. It just so happened that the hurricane was devastating. Especially when all of New Orleans is lower than sea level, I believe what happened was inevitable. Emissions should definately be reduced, but I think a few of yall are freaking out about it like we're all going to die in the next 10 years from it.
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http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml
glodal warming is why the frequency of natural disasters is increasing and so is the scale of damage they cause. and its not just that now more than 2 million homes in uk are prone to flooding this has only happenned in recent years so go figure
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http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml
glodal warming is why the frequency of natural disasters is increasing and so is the scale of damage they cause. and its not just that now more than 2 million homes in uk are prone to flooding this has only happenned in recent years so go figure
Emissions should definately be reduced, but I think a few of yall are freaking out about it like we're all going to die in the next 10 years from it.
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http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml
Yeah, that's until 2004.
But when was the last time a hurricane flooded/ruined a whole city like Katrina in New Orleans ??
And what about worldwide statistics..
This is also interesting:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastcost.shtml
The 11 most expensive hurricanes all occured in the 90's/00's. 4 of top 6 happened in 2004.
Expect Katrina to top this list.
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Increasing destructiveness of tropical cyclones over the past 30 years
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v436/n7051/abs/nature03906.html (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v436/n7051/abs/nature03906.html)
This trend is due to both longer storm lifetimes and greater storm intensities. I find that the record of net hurricane power dissipation is highly correlated with tropical sea surface temperature, reflecting well-documented climate signals, including multi-decadal oscillations in the North Atlantic and North Pacific, and global warming. My results suggest that future warming may lead to an upward trend in tropical cyclone destructive potential, and—taking into account an increasing coastal population—a substantial increase in hurricane-related losses in the twenty-first century.
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^cmon now. every european school kid knows those things are related.. I guess in America they don't teach it for a reason.