West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: hotdamn on September 01, 2005, 06:54:12 PM
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I decided to make a thread where we can continue our discussion instead of flooding the board. That way people don't have to read your dumb posts in every thread.
Let me ask you a question, ignorant one... when you refer to Western Civilization are you talking about just North America and Europe, or are there other nations you're including?
Western civilization pretty much refers to Europe, the US, Canada, Australia.......
I understand there are different definitions, since the meaning has changed over time, and even today it has multiple meanings, but in this discussion we'll just stick to the inclusions of the term since the Cold War. If you want to talk about First World/Third World... developed nations and developing nations... then I have to inform you that Japan is a developed nation.
If you want to talk about capitalism/economies I could give you a list of countries you didn't include where a capitalist system is in use. In addition, I could name several countries where the per capita GDP is higher than that of certain countries in Europe. By the way, Israel is not in Europe, America, or Australia, so do you also want to include Israel in your list? (democracy, capitalism). Since you mentioned democracy... did you know that about 3 billion people in the world are living under "democracies" (by name), and about 1/3 of those are living in India? 1/6 of the world's population is living under a democracy in India.
Now we could also talk about the literal meaning of the word... "the West", which would also include Latin America. You obviously weren't using it in the literal sense then. The term is generally used to refer to richer nations, so some people have decided to use "the North" instead... but then again, Australia would not be on your list.
So let's see... you use the term, but make your own exclusions, so that only nations generally considered to be WHITE are included. I thought you don't try to be politically correct, so just say what you meant to say, Adolf. You are saying that white people are superior to other people, but you're afraid to admit that you agree with Hitler's beliefs. You're no American, buddy.
This is a dumb post. Obviously countries like Japan and India have democracies. But the fact is that democracy arose in Europe. Those countries patterned their governments on those in the west.
As I said before, democracy, capitalism, separation of church and state, human rights, freedom of speech, etc.....these are all concepts that arose in the west and are most widespread in the west. Some other countries may have them.........by following the model of western nations. Western civilization is the shining example for the whole world. So by pointing out other countries that are applying our concepts you are proving my point that our way of life is superior.
First of all, you're the last person to be talking about dumb posts... especially when mine contains nothing but facts, rather than racist opinions. So whoever came up with something first is superior? LOLLLL yea... you're not dumb at all. Do you want a list of some things that "non-Western" societies came up with first, and were borrowed by "Western civilization"? Let's start with something you may be quite familiar with... the concept of 0... which Arabs came up with. Without this, we wouldn't be able to ascribe a number to your IQ. If you want more things borrowed by Western Civilization, let me know.
Guantanamo Bay = Human Rights? LOL. Shut the fuck up.
You mentioned human rights, and other societies applying "our concepts".... BUT... did you know that the first Human Rights Charter was declared by Cyrus the Great (Persian Empire)? LOLL JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP.. YOU ARE AN IGNORANT IDIOT.
edit: I'd just like to add on a side-note.... both Trauma and CWalker have been officially dick-slapped by me on TOT today.
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man Jamal, you braggin about sonnin Trauma and Cwalker is like Reggie Miller throwin a party after making a free throw...homie what u doin aint hard 8)
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man Jamal, you braggin about sonnin Trauma and Cwalker is like Reggie Miller throwin a party after making a free throw...homie what u doin aint hard 8)
LOL... just making it known
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Hey Jamal, didn't that charter include allowing citizens to kiss his feet?
Anyway, the Native Americans had superb human rights among the tribe and a pure democracy. Not this pseudo democracy we have today. The people chose what to do next, not chose who will tell them what to do.
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Anyway, the Native Americans had superb human rights among the tribe and a pure democracy. Not this pseudo democracy we have today. The people chose what to do next, not chose who will tell them what to do.
Yeah that would work in a nation of 300 million people you fucking idiot.
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CWalker... how about a response?
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Hey Jamal, didn't that charter include allowing citizens to kiss his feet?
Don't know... can you show me where it says that? Even if it does say that... do you see something wrong with ALLOWING? If it said that it was a mandatory act.. then I'd understand where you're coming from... anyways, I don't know if it states that or not, but if you know that it does, I'd like to read that part.
Let's say the charter included "Cyrus has the power to imprison anyone he feels for no reason... and torture them"... it would still be equal to Guantanamo/Abu Gharib.
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CWalker... how about a response?
There is nothing to respond to. Your arguement has no basis. All societies, cultures, civilizations...whatever you want to call it...are not equal no matter what you say.
A dictatorship (North Korea) is not equal to a democracy (England). A society that has slavery (Sudan) is not equal to a free society (Canada). A society built on communism (Cuba) is not equal to a capitalist country (US). A society that is a theocracy (Iran) is not equal to a society that is secular and has freedom of religion (England). Each civilization in the world has unqiue characteristics. It just so happens that western civilization is the superior civilization in the world. Just accept it man. You know damn well you would rather live in a western country instead of China, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, etc
Now stop with the nonsense and go to bed little boy.
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CWalker... how about a response?
There is nothing to respond to. Your arguement has no basis. All societies, cultures, civilizations...whatever you want to call it...are not equal no matter what you say.
A dictatorship (North Korea) is not equal to a democracy (England). A society that has slavery (Sudan) is not equal to a free society (Canada). A society built on communism (Cuba) is not equal to a capitalist country (US). A society that is a theocracy (Iran) is not equal to a society that is secular and has freedom of religion (England). Each civilization in the world has unqiue characteristics. It just so happens that western civilization is the superior civilization in the world. Just accept it man. You know damn well you would rather live in a western country instead of China, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, etc
Now stop with the nonsense and go to bed little boy.
You're not answering anything. Read my post, and respond to what's written instead of talking out of your ass.
I never stated that a dictatorship was equal to a democracy, or that slavery was equal to a free society, or that communism is equal to capitalism, etc. You're trying to bullshit your way out of the argument, but you can't.
You said: "So by pointing out other countries that are applying our concepts you are proving my point that our way of life is superior."
You're implying that since we came up with it first, we must be superior. This alone proves that you're a fucking moron.. however, to stick to the topic... I then told you that other, "non-Western" societies have come up with a lot of concepts, and even gave you a couple of examples.... this trashes your entire argument.
You claimed that we're superior because of "human rights"... I then showed you that the first charter of human rights was declared by Cyrus The Great (a Persian leader). Again, your argument going down the drain...
Why don't you respond to the actual post instead of going off on tangents and making claims to shit I never stated.
If you can't do this, then just admit that you're a fucking ignorant bigot who believes that white people are superior to non-whites. Hitler was a lot like you in his young age. :)
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Here's an excerpt from the charter.... remember, this was around 539 B.C.
"And until I am the monarch, I will never let anyone take possession of movable and landed properties of the others by force or without compensation. Until I am alive, I prevent unpaid, forced labor. To day, I announce that everyone is free to choose a religion. People are free to live in all regions and take up a job provided that they never violate other's rights."
When was slavery abolished in the U.S.? 1865? CWalker, just shut up. Go back to the Ukraine. If you don't want to learn the language and adapt, then get the fuck out of my country, you illegal immigrant!
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Daamn on point, I wanna see what CWalker says to that
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Daamn on point, I wanna see what CWalker says to that
He isn't capable of responding while sticking to the argument.
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lol at the haven thing in your sig.
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Anyway, the Native Americans had superb human rights among the tribe and a pure democracy. Not this pseudo democracy we have today. The people chose what to do next, not chose who will tell them what to do.
Yeah that would work in a nation of 300 million people you fucking idiot.
We are in a digital age. I can't imagine it being hard to have a vote for every major decision, anmd quite easy for municipal decisions. "Do You want to go to war with Iraq?", at least the people can decide. Look at ancient Greece; it's democracy wasn't perfect but it's methods were still light years better thanthe current system which came from Rome's idea of democracy.
And Jamal, I was just joking around, but I did read something like that. It was something about other kings coming to kiss his feet. He was a king after all and felt people should more or less praise him. Read up on him if you like. The point of what I was saying was that a human rights charter in those days is about as good as shit in today's time.
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The foundation of Western Society comes from the Pre-Roman and Pre-Islamic invaded Egypt which was populated by people who look more like the people of New Orleans than in Europe.
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The foundation of Western Society comes from the Pre-Roman and Pre-Islamic invaded Egypt which was populated by people who look more like the people of New Orleans than in Europe.
Greece was already well established centuries before Alexander came into a war torn Egypt. That's not to say that Greece didn't learn from Egypt, or that Egypt didn't learn from Greece. It's also never really been proven how black Egyptians were in general. Afrocentrics say that Egyptians were as black as any other Africans, but they also say the Jews were as well. That doesn't explain to me how neither Egyptians nor Jews are black today, while the rest of Africa is black. Even in South Africa which has had a non black presence for hundreds of years still has black people, many may be light skinned but no one confuses them for arabs. So how can their be absolutely no black Egyptians or Jews (I don't mean converted Jews like Sammy Davis) today?
My best guess is that Egypt was primarily arab looking and they had close relations with black kingdoms and the land had been ruled by them at one point but even though some sculptures look to be black people, it is clear from the facial structure that many aren't.
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The foundation of Western Society comes from the Pre-Roman and Pre-Islamic invaded Egypt which was populated by people who look more like the people of New Orleans than in Europe.
Greece was already well established centuries before Alexander came into a war torn Egypt. That's not to say that Greece didn't learn from Egypt, or that Egypt didn't learn from Greece. It's also never really been proven how black Egyptians were in general. Afrocentrics say that Egyptians were as black as any other Africans, but they also say the Jews were as well. That doesn't explain to me how neither Egyptians nor Jews are black today, while the rest of Africa is black. Even in South Africa which has had a non black presence for hundreds of years still has black people, many may be light skinned but no one confuses them for arabs. So how can their be absolutely no black Egyptians or Jews (I don't mean converted Jews like Sammy Davis) today?
My best guess is that Egypt was primarily arab looking and they had close relations with black kingdoms and the land had been ruled by them at one point but even though some sculptures look to be black people, it is clear from the facial structure that many aren't.
egyptians were brown like arabs... they hated on blacks and whites.
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The foundation of Western Society comes from the Pre-Roman and Pre-Islamic invaded Egypt which was populated by people who look more like the people of New Orleans than in Europe.
Greece was already well established centuries before Alexander came into a war torn Egypt. That's not to say that Greece didn't learn from Egypt, or that Egypt didn't learn from Greece. It's also never really been proven how black Egyptians were in general. Afrocentrics say that Egyptians were as black as any other Africans, but they also say the Jews were as well. That doesn't explain to me how neither Egyptians nor Jews are black today, while the rest of Africa is black. Even in South Africa which has had a non black presence for hundreds of years still has black people, many may be light skinned but no one confuses them for arabs. So how can their be absolutely no black Egyptians or Jews (I don't mean converted Jews like Sammy Davis) today?
My best guess is that Egypt was primarily arab looking and they had close relations with black kingdoms and the land had been ruled by them at one point but even though some sculptures look to be black people, it is clear from the facial structure that many aren't.
egyptians were brown like arabs... they hated on blacks and whites.
Actually there was a time when Kush had taken over Egypt in 800 or 900 BC, so the rulers at that time were almost definately black, and many argue that it was once black before that. There isn't any concrete proof of anything, just archeological stuff.
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The foundation of Western Society comes from the Pre-Roman and Pre-Islamic invaded Egypt which was populated by people who look more like the people of New Orleans than in Europe.
Greece was already well established centuries before Alexander came into a war torn Egypt. That's not to say that Greece didn't learn from Egypt, or that Egypt didn't learn from Greece. It's also never really been proven how black Egyptians were in general. Afrocentrics say that Egyptians were as black as any other Africans, but they also say the Jews were as well. That doesn't explain to me how neither Egyptians nor Jews are black today, while the rest of Africa is black. Even in South Africa which has had a non black presence for hundreds of years still has black people, many may be light skinned but no one confuses them for arabs. So how can their be absolutely no black Egyptians or Jews (I don't mean converted Jews like Sammy Davis) today?
My best guess is that Egypt was primarily arab looking and they had close relations with black kingdoms and the land had been ruled by them at one point but even though some sculptures look to be black people, it is clear from the facial structure that many aren't.
egyptians were brown like arabs... they hated on blacks and whites.
Actually there was a time when Kush had taken over Egypt in 800 or 900 BC, so the rulers at that time were almost definately black, and many argue that it was once black before that. There isn't any concrete proof of anything, just archeological stuff.
ohh... because i was under the impression they were brown, because of their canes n shit... they had little sculptures of black and white people bent backwards on the cane, symbolising slavery...
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"Western Civilization", by CWalker's definition, has adopted a lot from other "non-Western" societies... including Egypt, the Middle East (especially Assyria/Mesopotamia/Persians/Arabs during Islam's Golden Age), India, China, etc.... there is no denying that. So when CWalker says that those who come up with something first are superior (which I think is fucking retarded), then he's actually contradicting his original argument... that WHITE people are superior to non-whites. Fucking pussy is too scared to say what he really means.
edit: He's not a true American
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so CWalker tell me this, u said somewhere that u consider australia, europe, america and canada as the most evolved countries and all those coloured countries are like 3rd world shit, what about japan then? dont tell me they dont have an evolved enviroment.
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so CWalker tell me this, u said somewhere that u consider australia, europe, america and canada as the most evolved countries and all those coloured countries are like 3rd world shit, what about japan then? dont tell me they dont have an evolved enviroment.
Read my post at the top of this page. I addressed all that... he ignored it because he realized that he has exposed himself. He only meant "WHITE" countries.... he's just a scared pussy and doesn't want to admit that's what he meant... he's afraid to admit that he shares Hitler's views. He's not a true American (I think this line hurts him more than anything... I get so many PMs telling me that I'm an asshole for saying this).
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^ so why we even discussing with this stupid airhead.
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I wanna see CWalker's reply so badly.
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I'd like to apologize about one thing.... I stated that CWalker wasn't American and that he was Ukrainian... I was wrong.... he's Polish.
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CWalker... you Polish Communist...
I think Hispanics should stop being so disrespectful and start learning English the way every other ethnic group that has come to America has.
Take your own fucking advice.
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CWalker... how about a response?
There is nothing to respond to. Your arguement has no basis. All societies, cultures, civilizations...whatever you want to call it...are not equal no matter what you say.
A dictatorship (North Korea) is not equal to a democracy (England). A society that has slavery (Sudan) is not equal to a free society (Canada). A society built on communism (Cuba) is not equal to a capitalist country (US). A society that is a theocracy (Iran) is not equal to a society that is secular and has freedom of religion (England). Each civilization in the world has unqiue characteristics. It just so happens that western civilization is the superior civilization in the world. Just accept it man. You know damn well you would rather live in a western country instead of China, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, etc
Now stop with the nonsense and go to bed little boy.
You're not answering anything. Read my post, and respond to what's written instead of talking out of your ass.
I never stated that a dictatorship was equal to a democracy, or that slavery was equal to a free society, or that communism is equal to capitalism, etc. You're trying to bullshit your way out of the argument, but you can't.
You said: "So by pointing out other countries that are applying our concepts you are proving my point that our way of life is superior."
You're implying that since we came up with it first, we must be superior. This alone proves that you're a fucking moron.. however, to stick to the topic... I then told you that other, "non-Western" societies have come up with a lot of concepts, and even gave you a couple of examples.... this trashes your entire argument.
You claimed that we're superior because of "human rights"... I then showed you that the first charter of human rights was declared by Cyrus The Great (a Persian leader). Again, your argument going down the drain...
Why don't you respond to the actual post instead of going off on tangents and making claims to shit I never stated.
If you can't do this, then just admit that you're a fucking ignorant bigot who believes that white people are superior to non-whites. Hitler was a lot like you in his young age. :)
Where you at Wienerschnitzel?
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Where you at Wienerschnitzel?
LMAO
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here you at Wienerschnitzel?
Again, there is nothing to respond to. This whole debate started when I said that western civilization was superior to all other cultures. You said I was wrong, then I proved it when I brought up democracy, human rights, secularism, capitalism, etc. Those concepts are unique to the west. Sure a country like Japan may have democracy and capitalism, but that is because Japan is a modeled on a western country. The United States built that entire country's economy and government after World War 2. You mentioned that the west practiced slavery for hundreds of years, but they were also the first countries to eventually ban slavery as an immoral and evil practice. Those kind of innate ideas about funademental human rights started in the west. Even as other nations continue to absorb our practices and values, that doesn't make them any less western.
Do you have any formal education, man? Because I honestly feel like I am talking to a little kid. You cannot grasp basic reasoning. Other people on this board have agreed with what I am saying about western superiority, so why can't you?
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Yeah, I agree. The United States is superior to any other country in the world. All in 200 years, too.
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here you at Wienerschnitzel?
Again, there is nothing to respond to. This whole debate started when I said that western civilization was superior to all other cultures. You said I was wrong, then I proved it when I brought up democracy, human rights, secularism, capitalism, etc. Those concepts are unique to the west. Sure a country like Japan may have democracy and capitalism, but that is because Japan is a modeled on a western country. The United States built that entire country's economy and government after World War 2. You mentioned that the west practiced slavery for hundreds of years, but they were also the first countries to eventually ban slavery as an immoral and evil practice. Those kind of innate ideas about funademental human rights started in the west. Even as other nations continue to absorb our practices and values, that doesn't make them as less western.
Do you have any formal education, man? Because I honestly feel like I am talking to a little kid. You cannot grasp basic reasoning. Other people on this board have agreed with what I am saying about western superiority, so why can't you?
You PROVED it by bringing up democracy, human rights, and capitalism? You didn't PROVE shit. First you said that Western Civilization only includes Europe, U.S., Canada, and Australia. I AM the one who proved that according to certain definitions of the word, countries like Japan could also be included. You were trying to imply that only nations where WHITE people are the majority, are considered part of Western Civilization when you said that Western Civilization was superior.... hence you were implying that WHITE people are superior to non-whites... without actually saying it because you're such a fucking pussy.
You've also said numerous times that those who CAME UP with the concepts are "superior"... then I showed you that the first Human Rights Charter was declared by Cyrus The Great (Persian Empire... not part of Europe, U.S., Canada, or Australia). By the way, Haiti isn't considered part of Western Civilization (especially not by your standards, since it's not a "white" nation".... but I hope you know that Haiti abolished slavery before the U.S.... so if you want to use that as your argument, it's working against you.
If you were to say that Western society is more advanced technologically, then I'd say yea it is. If you're going to argue that it is "superior" and you back that up with false reasoning... then I'm going to point it out, and tell you why according to your definition of superiority, your statement is false. This leads to me to conclude that when you defined Western Civilization, you actually were just listing nations where the majority of the people are WHITE... and when you said they're superior... you were implying that White people are superior to non-whites. Now that we've cleared this up, you may now go on and live your life as the racist Polish faggot that you are. You're welcome for your lesson.
edit: You mentioned Europe... are you including Eastern Europe as well, or just Western Europe? I could bring a whole lot more to shatter your argument.... but then again, you're from Poland, so why would you not include Eastern Europe.
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Yeah, I agree. The United States is superior to any other country in the world. All in 200 years, too.
Once again you don't know what the fuck is going on, and decide to talk out of your ass... you don't want me to make you look like a fucking idiot again, do you? Shut the fuck up... or just respond to this:
Also; you're accusing me of being racist, but using the word political. Get a fucking dictionary. Learn what you're talking about before you step to someone with a fucking intellect.
LMAO @ the irony. I don't think I need to say anything about this, since it's pretty much self-explanatory, but I still wouldn't expect a dumbfuck like you to see what's wrong with that.
The correct word would've been: BY (not but).
Which leads us to "Get a fucking dictionary".... TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE, DUMBFUCK.
"Someone with a fucking intellect"? THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT YOU. LOLL... if anything, you need to take your advice on this on as well, since you're the dumbfuck here, and I'm the one who exposed you to be the dumbfuck that you are.
Now please do yourself a favor, and hop off my dick... I'm not Mormon, and not one of your relatives.
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I want to know why every time I post Shallow got a reply.
I didnt say ONE MOTHERFUCKING THING ABOUT GREECE.
I DID NOT SAY that the Egyptains WERE Black, but I BET YO ASS THAT IF A ANCIENT EGYPTAIN WAS IN AMERICA IN THE 50S HED BE AT THE BACK OF THE BUS.
Unlike Yourself Homeboy.
Next time read my text, B4 U start typing replys to every post I put up.
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There are Black Egyptains today in Nubia (they have facial features that resemble the statues), and there are Black Jews in Isreal.they are called Falashas.Even most white Jews have some Negroid blood in them ( Egypt is one of the longest enduring countries on Earth, Egyptains have been assimilating and mixing races for 1000s of years. South Africa maybe not even 100yrs
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CWalker... how about a response?
There is nothing to respond to. Your arguement has no basis. All societies, cultures, civilizations...whatever you want to call it...are not equal no matter what you say.
A dictatorship (North Korea) is not equal to a democracy (England). A society that has slavery (Sudan) is not equal to a free society (Canada). A society built on communism (Cuba) is not equal to a capitalist country (US). A society that is a theocracy (Iran) is not equal to a society that is secular and has freedom of religion (England). Each civilization in the world has unqiue characteristics. It just so happens that western civilization is the superior civilization in the world. Just accept it man. You know damn well you would rather live in a western country instead of China, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, etc
Now stop with the nonsense and go to bed little boy.
in other words....a brown society is not equal to a white one. youre racist, its obvious, admit it....and kill yourself.
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here you at Wienerschnitzel?
Again, there is nothing to respond to. This whole debate started when I said that western civilization was superior to all other cultures. You said I was wrong, then I proved it when I brought up democracy, human rights, secularism, capitalism, etc. Those concepts are unique to the west. Sure a country like Japan may have democracy and capitalism, but that is because Japan is a modeled on a western country. The United States built that entire country's economy and government after World War 2. You mentioned that the west practiced slavery for hundreds of years, but they were also the first countries to eventually ban slavery as an immoral and evil practice. Those kind of innate ideas about funademental human rights started in the west. Even as other nations continue to absorb our practices and values, that doesn't make them as less western.
Do you have any formal education, man? Because I honestly feel like I am talking to a little kid. You cannot grasp basic reasoning. Other people on this board have agreed with what I am saying about western superiority, so why can't you?
You PROVED it by bringing up democracy, human rights, and capitalism? You didn't PROVE shit. First you said that Western Civilization only includes Europe, U.S., Canada, and Australia. I AM the one who proved that according to certain definitions of the word, countries like Japan could also be included. You were trying to imply that only nations where WHITE people are the majority, are considered part of Western Civilization when you said that Western Civilization was superior.... hence you were implying that WHITE people are superior to non-whites... without actually saying it because you're such a fucking pussy.
You've also said numerous times that those who CAME UP with the concepts are "superior"... then I showed you that the first Human Rights Charter was declared by Cyrus The Great (Persian Empire... not part of Europe, U.S., Canada, or Australia). By the way, Haiti isn't considered part of Western Civilization (especially not by your standards, since it's not a "white" nation".... but I hope you know that Haiti abolished slavery before the U.S.... so if you want to use that as your argument, it's working against you.
If you were to say that Western society is more advanced technologically, then I'd say yea it is. If you're going to argue that it is "superior" and you back that up with false reasoning... then I'm going to point it out, and tell you why according to your definition of superiority, your statement is false. This leads to me to conclude that when you defined Western Civilization, you actually were just listing nations where the majority of the people are WHITE... and when you said they're superior... you were implying that White people are superior to non-whites. Now that we've cleared this up, you may now go on and live your life as the racist Polish faggot that you are. You're welcome for your lesson.
edit: You mentioned Europe... are you including Eastern Europe as well, or just Western Europe? I could bring a whole lot more to shatter your argument.... but then again, you're from Poland, so why would you not include Eastern Europe.
This is 100% correct, but CWalker cant face defeat so hes gonna some way make a reply that has nothing to do with responding to this...
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CWalker, where you at you fucking Wienerschnitzel?
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This debate is thoroughly addressed in Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jarod Diamond... its worth reading.
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CWalker, where you at you fucking Wienerschnitzel?
No response? :-*
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CWalker, where you at you fucking Wienerschnitzel?
No response? :-*
Response to what? I already proved that western civilization is superior, which was what the whole arguement was about. How many more times can I state the obvious?
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here you at Wienerschnitzel?
Again, there is nothing to respond to. This whole debate started when I said that western civilization was superior to all other cultures. You said I was wrong, then I proved it when I brought up democracy, human rights, secularism, capitalism, etc. Those concepts are unique to the west. Sure a country like Japan may have democracy and capitalism, but that is because Japan is a modeled on a western country. The United States built that entire country's economy and government after World War 2. You mentioned that the west practiced slavery for hundreds of years, but they were also the first countries to eventually ban slavery as an immoral and evil practice. Those kind of innate ideas about funademental human rights started in the west. Even as other nations continue to absorb our practices and values, that doesn't make them as less western.
Do you have any formal education, man? Because I honestly feel like I am talking to a little kid. You cannot grasp basic reasoning. Other people on this board have agreed with what I am saying about western superiority, so why can't you?
You PROVED it by bringing up democracy, human rights, and capitalism? You didn't PROVE shit. First you said that Western Civilization only includes Europe, U.S., Canada, and Australia. I AM the one who proved that according to certain definitions of the word, countries like Japan could also be included. You were trying to imply that only nations where WHITE people are the majority, are considered part of Western Civilization when you said that Western Civilization was superior.... hence you were implying that WHITE people are superior to non-whites... without actually saying it because you're such a fucking pussy.
You've also said numerous times that those who CAME UP with the concepts are "superior"... then I showed you that the first Human Rights Charter was declared by Cyrus The Great (Persian Empire... not part of Europe, U.S., Canada, or Australia). By the way, Haiti isn't considered part of Western Civilization (especially not by your standards, since it's not a "white" nation".... but I hope you know that Haiti abolished slavery before the U.S.... so if you want to use that as your argument, it's working against you.
If you were to say that Western society is more advanced technologically, then I'd say yea it is. If you're going to argue that it is "superior" and you back that up with false reasoning... then I'm going to point it out, and tell you why according to your definition of superiority, your statement is false. This leads to me to conclude that when you defined Western Civilization, you actually were just listing nations where the majority of the people are WHITE... and when you said they're superior... you were implying that White people are superior to non-whites. Now that we've cleared this up, you may now go on and live your life as the racist Polish faggot that you are. You're welcome for your lesson.
edit: You mentioned Europe... are you including Eastern Europe as well, or just Western Europe? I could bring a whole lot more to shatter your argument.... but then again, you're from Poland, so why would you not include Eastern Europe.
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You didn't prove shit, and you haven't responded to this post. Come on Wienerschnitzel.... you can do it... !
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Response to what? I already proved that western civilization is superior, which was what the whole arguement was about. How many more times can I state the obvious?
Why do you refuse to adapt to our lifestyle? Why do you refuse to learn the language? Why do you insist on holding on to your backwards Polish beliefs? Get the fuck out of my country if you don't want to learn our language!
After all... it was you who said:
my father taught me that when you move to another country you should show basic respect to that country by assimilating to their way of life. And one way you do that is by learning their language.
I think Hispanics should stop being so disrespectful and start learning English the way every other ethnic group that has come to America has.
:-*
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CWalker, just because you feel like a dumbass and have no response does not mean you need to send me messages like this:
Shouldn't you be out beheading infidels like your beloved prophet (peace be upon him)?
Instead, just say that you have no response.
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Response to what? How many times do I have to make you look foolish? You already admitted that democracy, capitalism, human rights, separation of church and state, etc are all superior to any alternative. Those are indeed aspects of western culture. The West did them first and we do them best today.
Japan definitely has embraced those values, but that is only because their country was rebuilt by the US after World War2. We taught them our ways and our values. The fact that they embraced them doesn't make them any less ours. Just like the fact that Eminem is a rapper doesn't make hip hop any less of a black artform.
Please run off and play now, little boy. You have me repeating myself over and over and having to state obvious truths that only you seem incapable of grasping.
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here you at Wienerschnitzel?
Again, there is nothing to respond to. This whole debate started when I said that western civilization was superior to all other cultures. You said I was wrong, then I proved it when I brought up democracy, human rights, secularism, capitalism, etc. Those concepts are unique to the west. Sure a country like Japan may have democracy and capitalism, but that is because Japan is a modeled on a western country. The United States built that entire country's economy and government after World War 2. You mentioned that the west practiced slavery for hundreds of years, but they were also the first countries to eventually ban slavery as an immoral and evil practice. Those kind of innate ideas about funademental human rights started in the west. Even as other nations continue to absorb our practices and values, that doesn't make them as less western.
Do you have any formal education, man? Because I honestly feel like I am talking to a little kid. You cannot grasp basic reasoning. Other people on this board have agreed with what I am saying about western superiority, so why can't you?
You PROVED it by bringing up democracy, human rights, and capitalism? You didn't PROVE shit. First you said that Western Civilization only includes Europe, U.S., Canada, and Australia. I AM the one who proved that according to certain definitions of the word, countries like Japan could also be included. You were trying to imply that only nations where WHITE people are the majority, are considered part of Western Civilization when you said that Western Civilization was superior.... hence you were implying that WHITE people are superior to non-whites... without actually saying it because you're such a fucking pussy.
You've also said numerous times that those who CAME UP with the concepts are "superior"... then I showed you that the first Human Rights Charter was declared by Cyrus The Great (Persian Empire... not part of Europe, U.S., Canada, or Australia). By the way, Haiti isn't considered part of Western Civilization (especially not by your standards, since it's not a "white" nation".... but I hope you know that Haiti abolished slavery before the U.S.... so if you want to use that as your argument, it's working against you.
If you were to say that Western society is more advanced technologically, then I'd say yea it is. If you're going to argue that it is "superior" and you back that up with false reasoning... then I'm going to point it out, and tell you why according to your definition of superiority, your statement is false. This leads to me to conclude that when you defined Western Civilization, you actually were just listing nations where the majority of the people are WHITE... and when you said they're superior... you were implying that White people are superior to non-whites. Now that we've cleared this up, you may now go on and live your life as the racist Polish faggot that you are. You're welcome for your lesson.
edit: You mentioned Europe... are you including Eastern Europe as well, or just Western Europe? I could bring a whole lot more to shatter your argument.... but then again, you're from Poland, so why would you not include Eastern Europe.
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You didn't prove shit, and you haven't responded to this post. Come on Wienerschnitzel.... you can do it... !
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You are telling me that human rights is part of Persian culture??????? Iran and human rights????
Just stop man. You lost.
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You are telling me that human rights is part of Persian culture??????? Iran and human rights????
Just stop man. You lost.
No, I'm telling you that the first human rights charter was established in Persia... and you said that Western civilization (by your definition the correct term would be White Civilization) was superior because these things "arose" and were practiced here first. Now do you get it, fucktard?
You also ignored the fact that Haiti abolished slavery before the U.S.
You lost, Polski.
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Guantanamo Bay = Human Rights?
Abu Gharib = Human Rights?
U.S. operations in Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East = democratic and caring for human rights?
The history of Black people in the U.S. = democratic/human rights?
Seriously, go back to Poland.
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o, I'm telling you that the first human rights charter was established in Persia... and you said that Western civilization (by your definition the correct term would be White Civilization) was superior because these things "arose" and were practiced here first. Now do you get it, fucktard?
You also ignored the fact that Haiti abolished slavery before the U.S.
You lost, Polski.
Western civilization is superior. There are no human rights in Iran, which makes the West superior to that country. Why you keep bringing up some alleged charter from Persia a thousands years ago I have no clue. Whether there was or was a "charter" not does not matter. THERE ARE NO HUMAN RIGHTS IN IRAN/PERSIA! That is the point.
You are really grasping for straws man. Same thing with Haiti. Of course the Haitians banned slavery after the revolution. THEY WERE THE FUCKING SLAVES! What else do you expect them to do? They didn't develop the concepts of individual human rights, freedoms, etc that arose in the west. Western nations like Britain were the first to speak out against the practice of slavery as an evil and immoral practice that violated people's inherent rights.
Just stop this stupid exercise in futility man. Let the thread die so you don't look any more stupid.
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The reason I brought these examples up is because YOU stated that Western Civilization was superior BECAUSE it came up with these concepts (including human rights and the abolishing of slavery) FIRST. My response was that if you were to base your argument on that, then it's not true. Do you get it now or no? By the way, it's funny how at first you didn't mention Japan, but only after I brought up that by your definition of Western Civilization, Japan should be included, did you decide to touch upon that. You have this mind-set that white people are superior to non-whites, and that's why you're a modern-day Hitler. :)
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Western nations like Britain were the first to speak out against the practice of slavery as an evil and immoral practice that violated people's inherent rights.
Actually that was also included in that charter... ancient Persia :-*
Sorry CWalker.
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o, I'm telling you that the first human rights charter was established in Persia... and you said that Western civilization (by your definition the correct term would be White Civilization) was superior because these things "arose" and were practiced here first. Now do you get it, fucktard?
You also ignored the fact that Haiti abolished slavery before the U.S.
You lost, Polski.
Western civilization is superior. There are no human rights in Iran, which makes the West superior to that country. Why you keep bringing up some alleged charter from Persia a thousands years ago I have no clue. Whether there was or was a "charter" not does not matter. THERE ARE NO HUMAN RIGHTS IN IRAN/PERSIA! That is the point.
You are really grasping for straws man. Same thing with Haiti. Of course the Haitians banned slavery after the revolution. THEY WERE THE FUCKING SLAVES! What else do you expect them to do? They didn't develop the concepts of individual human rights, freedoms, etc that arose in the west. Western nations like Britain were the first to speak out against the practice of slavery as an evil and immoral practice that violated people's inherent rights.
Just stop this stupid exercise in futility man. Let the thread die so you don't look any more stupid.
You're a fucking dumbass, man. He has the evidence right in your face and now all your saying is that," Oh they have no human rights, no, your wrong!!", What the fuck? Why can't you just accept that this country ( which your not even from) isn't "superior"? You keep saying, no what is there to respond to, there is a lot to respond to, asshat, read the fucking posts
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CWalker, I already stated in one of my posts (one of the many you decided to ignore the main points in) that Western Civilization was superior in the sense that we're more advanced technologically and have higher standards of living. BUT... what I was arguing is your definition of Western Civilization and your basis on what makes it superior. I don't think a democratic country like the U.S. is superior to another country because it claims to support democracies around the world and stands up for human rights... when in fact it sets up dictatorships when necessary and carries out things like Guantanamo/Abu Gharib. That doesn't define superiority in my eyes. Maybe in your eyes it does... since the life of a white person is worth more than the life of a non-white.
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I am glad you brought up Abu Grahab prison. Abu Grahab prison shows just exactly why the west is unique and ultimately superior to other cultures.
Think about it. Here we have Islamic extremists who would like nothing more than to brutally murder ever single American alive. They would not hesitate to slit the throat of any American - man, woman, or child. So here we have these monsters in a prison locked away. Unfortunately, a few prison guards went too far in some of their behavoir and did some wrong things like strip them naked, make them pose in humiliating positions, scare them with dogs, etc. Not exactly the Nazi death camps........but wrong behavoir nonetheless.
What makes the west unique to other countries and ultimately superior is how we responded to these events. Our media released those photos to the world and they made headlines for months and months. Immediately, people became outraged. There was widespread public anger, the government condemned the treatment of the prisoners and launched investigations into what happened, there were congressional hearings,the soliders who did the abuse went to trial and were sent to prison. And so on and so on. All that for some nudie photos of terrorists that wanted to kill us.
That is what makes America and other western nations unique. That kind of reaction doesn't happen in China or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. No one is saying that we are perfect....no one is. But it is the values about things like human rights and how we react to things like Abu Grahab that separate us from other cultures.
God bless America and God bless western civilization. Now go take a nap little boy.
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I'm glad to see a response from you, now will you please respond to:
The reason I brought these examples up is because YOU stated that Western Civilization was superior BECAUSE it came up with these concepts (including human rights and the abolishing of slavery) FIRST. My response was that if you were to base your argument on that, then it's not true. Do you get it now or no? By the way, it's funny how at first you didn't mention Japan, but only after I brought up that by your definition of Western Civilization, Japan should be included, did you decide to touch upon that. You have this mind-set that white people are superior to non-whites, and that's why you're a modern-day Hitler. :)
You stated that all other cultures borrowed those ideas (human rights, etc) from western civilization, but the first Human Rights Charter came from Ancient Persia, so your argument is basically down the toilet.
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Before any argument, you should always realize what the argument is about in the first place. The argument here wasn't whether or not Western Civilization is superior, but whether it is superior based on the guidelines you described, and what countries constitute Western Civilization. You already admitted I was right and you were an ignorant fuck on the latter, but you failed to admit to the first part, which is why it's probably going to take a bit more time for you to realize that as well. You ignorant Polish Communists seem to have difficulty understanding things, so just keep reading the posts over and over until you realize that you're a dumbfuck, if you already don't know. :-*
edit: This is getting boring and I feel like I'm stooping to the level of a Polish retard with this... so let me know if you're going to respond to my posts in full by addressing everything in the posts or if you will admit that you were wrong by saying that Western Civilization only means white people, and that white people are superior to others. Otherwise just go and worship your Hitler poster, and I'll leave your Communist ass alone.
Since you made that remark about me "beheading infidels", let me just say that you just got VERBALLY BEHEADED like the bitch that you are. 8)
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LMAO I just checked my messages....
(http://tinypic.com/dpejv9.jpg)
OWNED!
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That is fake. Not only is this guy uneducated, but he has way too much time on his hands. Get a life, dude.
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That is fake. Not only is this guy uneducated, but he has way too much time on his hands. Get a life, dude.
Uneducated? LOLL this is coming from the WCC Hitler.
My knowledge > your existence
Let me know when you can respond to my posts in their entirety, but until then you're excused from class, BITCH. 8)
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LMAO I just checked my messages....
(http://tinypic.com/dpejv9.jpg)
OWNED!
LMAO! Cwalker187 I like to know how that is fake, but whatever.
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LOOOOLLLLL
The polski had to back down!
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so, u guys hate polish dudes or whut ? ::) what did we do :(
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so, u guys hate polish dudes or whut ? ::) what did we do :(
They are racist bigots. For some reason they think I am Polish, so they call me a Pollock.
It just shows their hatred and their ignorance.
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so, u guys hate polish dudes or whut ? ::) what did we do :(
They are racist bigots. For some reason they think I am Polish, so they call me a Pollock.
It just shows their hatred and their ignorance.
erm but if they are racist bigots wtf are u then ? :P
no offense ;D
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Cwalk, now your getting pwned by someone of the same race as you
Conclusion : You fail at life
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^ same race ? lmao
im only half polish... he's ukrainian or whatev u guys always say he is :P
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^LOL. Cwalker can't win anywhere.
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im ukranian, and damn proud of it.
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CWalker lost at life.
wtf??? cause u "snonned" him on a message board. fuckin geek.
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CWalker lost at life.
wtf??? cause u "snonned" him on a message board. fuckin geek.
Where did I say that? LOLL fucking faggot don't you have websites to post pictures of your ass on, homo
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no, but i have normal pictures on my myspace, 1s in my underwear, if u want the link, just ask for it fagget.
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no, but i have normal pictures on my myspace, 1s in my underwear, if u want the link, just ask for it fagget.
No thanks, I'm not Ukrainian.
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good 1? but i dont really get it?
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east europe haters !