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Title: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Ant on September 24, 2005, 03:11:28 PM
Maybe this is just coincidence, or maybe it says something about the party as a whole but.... I'm pretty sure this administration just set the record for having top leadership being investigated for illegal activity at the same time.

The Majority Leader in Congress - Tom Delay has been investigated multiple times already for ethics violations and more continues to leak about the fucked up shit he's done.

http://news.google.com/news?q=tom%20delay

The Majorty Leader in the Senate - Bill Frist is being investigation for insider trading

http://news.google.com/news?ie=UTF-8&q=bill+frist

and George Bush's Number One Pal in the Whitehouse and most trusted advisor is being investigated for intentionally outting an undercover CIA agent for political retribution against her husband. 

http://news.google.com/news?ie=UTF-8&q=karl+rove

Ya, I know... innocent until proven guilty, but the irony is a bit too much. 

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and for more see the links above. 
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Twentytwofifty on September 24, 2005, 05:35:23 PM
I’m not surprised in the least seeing how Republicans are dirty, corrupt, greedy, dim-witted, heartless, cruel, racist, selfish, murderous scumbags.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: UAK on September 24, 2005, 07:43:05 PM
I’m not surprised in the least seeing how Republicans are dirty, corrupt, greedy, dim-witted, heartless, cruel, racist, selfish, murderous scumbags.

Don't forget bible reading white christian scum  :D ;D loser.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Ant on September 28, 2005, 03:39:35 PM
September 28, 2005
DeLay Is Indicted and Forced to Step Down as Majority Leader
By DAVID STOUT

WASHINGTON, Sept. 28 – Representative Tom DeLay of Texas, the powerful House Republican majority leader, was accused by a Texas grand jury today of criminal conspiracy in a campaign fund-raising scheme.

Mr. DeLay was indicted on one count charging that he violated state election laws in September 2002. Two political associates, John D. Colyandro and James W. Ellis, were indicted with him.

The indictment of Mr. DeLay, while not entirely unexpected, still reverberated through the Capitol. The House Republican rules require a member of the leadership to step down, at least temporarily, if indicted.

Late this afternoon, Representative Roy Blunt of Missouri, the majority whip, was appointed temporary House majority leader, with David Dreier of California, the chairman of the Rules Committee, designated to assist him. Earlier in the day, Republicans on Capitol Hill said Speaker J. Dennis Hastert intended to appoint Mr. Dreier to take over for Mr. DeLay.

A conviction on the felony charge against Mr. DeLay, 58, carries a maximum sentence of two years in prison.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: J Bananas on September 30, 2005, 11:32:55 AM
^^^
do you even voice your real thoughts?
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Machiavelli on October 01, 2005, 06:42:06 PM
I’m not surprised in the least seeing how Republicans are dirty, corrupt, greedy, dim-witted, heartless, cruel, racist, selfish, murderous scumbags.

And Liberals are lazy, hypocrtical, dumb, no life, rude, scared, worthless, disrespectful,  bureaucratic, pussies....
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Javier on October 01, 2005, 07:19:19 PM
I’m not surprised in the least seeing how Republicans are dirty, corrupt, greedy, dim-witted, heartless, cruel, racist, selfish, murderous scumbags.

And Liberals are lazy, hypocrtical, dumb, no life, rude, scared, worthless, disrespectful,  bureaucratic, pussies....


Liberals?  Those adjectives fit  politicians, both democratic and republican
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 01:22:00 PM
I’m not surprised in the least seeing how Republicans are dirty, corrupt, greedy, dim-witted, heartless, cruel, racist, selfish, murderous scumbags.

And Liberals are lazy, hypocrtical, dumb, no life, rude, scared, worthless, disrespectful,  bureaucratic, pussies....

LOL at any conservative on a hiphop site, ur public enemy number one homie in hiphop culture, death to the right wing
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Twentytwofifty on October 02, 2005, 01:33:06 PM
LOL at any conservative on a hiphop site, ur public enemy number one homie in hiphop culture, death to the right wing

You're an idiot.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Machiavelli on October 02, 2005, 02:19:09 PM
LOL at any conservative on a hiphop site, ur public enemy number one homie in hiphop culture, death to the right wing

You're an idiot.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Lincoln on October 02, 2005, 02:35:03 PM
LOL at any conservative on a hiphop site, ur public enemy number one homie in hiphop culture, death to the right wing

You're an idiot.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 02:43:47 PM
and ur all a bunch of fags if u support people like Bush and Cheney, i got 120,00 dead civilians in iraq im speaking for.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on October 02, 2005, 02:55:05 PM


LOL at any conservative on a hiphop site, ur public enemy number one homie in hiphop culture, death to the right wing

Co-sign.  Word.  Maybe they feel giulty for being so immersed in black hip-hop culture that they try to overcompensate by posting up pictures of white rock artists (on a hip-hop website) and advocating the political views of right wing pundits.  Views that are "passed down" as news, from horn-rimmed glasses wearing men who work "up there" in confrence rooms where the air is permeated with old Bob Hope jokes.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 02:57:14 PM


LOL at any conservative on a hiphop site, ur public enemy number one homie in hiphop culture, death to the right wing

Co-sign.  Word.  Maybe they feel giulty for being so immersed in black hip-hop culture that they try to overcompensate by posting up pictures of white rock artists (on a hip-hop website) and advocating the political views of right wing pundits.  Views that are "passed down" as news, from horn-rimmed glasses wearing men who work "up there" in confrence rooms where the air is permeated with old Bob Hope jokes.

for real homie, Like Tupac said "if u walked a mile in my shoes then ud be crazy too/with nothing to lose"

its easy to live in denial when u have always lived a life of comfort
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Twentytwofifty on October 02, 2005, 03:20:09 PM
and ur all a bunch of fags if u support people like Bush and Cheney, i got 120,00 dead civilians in iraq im speaking for.

 ::)
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Twentytwofifty on October 02, 2005, 03:23:08 PM
Co-sign.  Word.  Maybe they feel giulty for being so immersed in black hip-hop culture that they try to overcompensate by posting up pictures of white rock artists (on a hip-hop website) and advocating the political views of right wing pundits.  Views that are "passed down" as news, from horn-rimmed glasses wearing men who work "up there" in confrence rooms where the air is permeated with old Bob Hope jokes.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: 7even on October 02, 2005, 03:25:09 PM
Fuck a Bush-voter.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 03:26:32 PM
and ur all a bunch of fags if u support people like Bush and Cheney, i got 120,00 dead civilians in iraq im speaking for.

 ::)

yet another simple minded reply, so u saying bush doesnt have some responsability for the civilian casulties in this war for oil and influence
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Twentytwofifty on October 02, 2005, 03:49:42 PM
yet another simple minded reply, so u saying bush doesnt have some responsability for the civilian casulties in this war for oil and influence

 :grumpy:
I'm not saying that at all.  I'm rolling my eyes at your stupid comment.  Calling you an idiot had nothing to do with Bush, Iraq, Republicans, etc.  It's because you made a dumb post.

For the record, I don't like the job Bush is doing in the office.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 03:55:40 PM
yet another simple minded reply, so u saying bush doesnt have some responsability for the civilian casulties in this war for oil and influence

 :grumpy:
I'm not saying that at all.  I'm rolling my eyes at your stupid comment.  Calling you an idiot had nothing to do with Bush, Iraq, Republicans, etc.  It's because you made a dumb post.

For the record, I don't like the job Bush is doing in the office.

what the death to the right wing part?Maybe it was harsh but if u read up on some of the atrocities purpotrated by Reagan and Nixon then u might see where im coming from.Republicans have used violence to get what they want for decades so it seems like thats all they understand.Conservatives who listen to hiphop are strange to me because they were there since the Run DMC days trying to censor it and ban it and quickly try to sweep it aside as some ghetto fad.They have been trying to censor rap since the beginning so a conservative who listens to rap is just funny to me.But thanks for explaining urself i give u  props
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Machiavelli on October 02, 2005, 03:58:11 PM
You left wing idiots assume to much....
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 04:01:15 PM
You left wing idiots assume to much....

u actually gonna explain ur position and what u stand for or keep with the cheap shots?Let me ask you something would u get offended if i pissed on the confederate flag?
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Machiavelli on October 02, 2005, 04:07:43 PM
You left wing idiots assume to much....

u actually gonna explain ur position and what u stand for or keep with the cheap shots?Let me ask you something would u get offended if i pissed on the confederate flag?

No I wouldnt give a flying fuck since im not white--im brazilian...
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: 7even on October 02, 2005, 04:09:21 PM
even in my heart, I see, the right wing dudes arent being true to me.. even in my soul, I feel, nothing is like it should be.. sometimes I wish I could turn back time.. impossible as it may seem, yet I wish I could, for real man.
I mean, keep thinkin about it.. you leavin your country in the president's hands. for real, what the hell you think re-electin bush? you gotta be crazy or be blind.. it's a mystery to me.. don't care what is writtin in your history, or where you're from, as long as you know what you're doin..
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 04:12:41 PM
You left wing idiots assume to much....

u actually gonna explain ur position and what u stand for or keep with the cheap shots?Let me ask you something would u get offended if i pissed on the confederate flag?

No I wouldnt give a flying fuck since im not white--im brazilian...


ok then what are we assuming that is grossly wrong?U really think people living in the favelas share right wing positions?Are u a Luna Silva hater?
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Machiavelli on October 02, 2005, 04:22:47 PM
You left wing idiots assume to much....

u actually gonna explain ur position and what u stand for or keep with the cheap shots?Let me ask you something would u get offended if i pissed on the confederate flag?

No I wouldnt give a flying fuck since im not white--im brazilian...


U really think people living in the favelas share right wing positions?Are u a Luna Silva hater?

How is that relevent? Why do I care what political positions people "no morro"(favelas) have? I use to live in a favela but its still irrelevant...

 Who the fuck is LUNA Silva? If your talking about Lula the president, then yes im not one of his supporters or supporter of his party the PT...
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Lincoln on October 02, 2005, 04:26:03 PM
This asshole assumes way too much with respect to someone holding right wing conservative views. All you're doing is stereotyping. I am a conservative, I believe in limited government intervention, low taxes, free speech, a free market, and socially conservative values. Just because someone is conservative does not make them a supporter of Bush. Conservatism is a pretty broad term, so you assuming that all conservatives love dead Iraquis is like someone saying all blacks support gang violence. Both obviously not true and just broad stereotypes.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Ant on October 02, 2005, 04:26:14 PM
yet another simple minded reply, so u saying bush doesnt have some responsability for the civilian casulties in this war for oil and influence

 :grumpy:
I'm not saying that at all.  I'm rolling my eyes at your stupid comment.  Calling you an idiot had nothing to do with Bush, Iraq, Republicans, etc.  It's because you made a dumb post.

For the record, I don't like the job Bush is doing in the office.

The dude's post isn't really all that dumb... Conservative ideology is definitely at odds with hiphop culture. 
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 04:32:34 PM
You left wing idiots assume to much....

u actually gonna explain ur position and what u stand for or keep with the cheap shots?Let me ask you something would u get offended if i pissed on the confederate flag?

No I wouldnt give a flying fuck since im not white--im brazilian...


U really think people living in the favelas share right wing positions?Are u a Luna Silva hater?

How is that relevent? Why do I care what political positions people "no morro"(favelas) have? I use to live in a favela but its still irrelevant...

 Who the fuck is LUNA Silva? If your talking about Lula the president, then yes im not one of his supporters or supporter of his party the PT...


unbelievable, so the people in the favelas dont matter?Theyre lives and opinions are just as important as yours and dont ever forget that.Poverty isnt a joke and should never be ingnored it should be addressed.Get Pac out of your avatar, hes an icon and left winger to the fullest u dont deserve that in ur sig.

I support my brothers to the fullest
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Pt_flag.png)


thats whats up^^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 04:36:34 PM
This asshole assumes way too much with respect to someone holding right wing conservative views. All you're doing is stereotyping. I am a conservative, I believe in limited government intervention, low taxes, free speech, a free market, and socially conservative values. Just because someone is conservative does not make them a supporter of Bush. Conservatism is a pretty broad term, so you assuming that all conservatives love dead Iraquis is like someone saying all blacks support gang violence. Both obviously not true and just broad stereotypes.

My views are completely opposite of yours, and i cant say all consevatives are bigots but every one i have come across is a racist and a greedy piece of shit to soem degree.I work in wall street so i have a front row seat to hundreds of opinons daily.I dont say things to shock, im tired of u guys using Christ to con votes out of people.Even the Pope condemned the war in Iraq as immoral.Explain to me this mr conservaitve?How is it that u can be pro life and pro death penalty?Hypocrisy at its finest, a murder is a murder is amurder in God eyes.He is the judge not us
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Ant on October 02, 2005, 04:39:35 PM
This asshole assumes way too much with respect to someone holding right wing conservative views. All you're doing is stereotyping. I am a conservative, I believe in limited government intervention, low taxes, free speech, a free market, and socially conservative values. Just because someone is conservative does not make them a supporter of Bush. Conservatism is a pretty broad term, so you assuming that all conservatives love dead Iraquis is like someone saying all blacks support gang violence. Both obviously not true and just broad stereotypes.

The fact is tho, you've come out bitching a number of times when people criticize Bush and the republican party, which really makes no sense since you're not even American.   No doubt, conservatism is a pretty broad term NOW, cuz modern republicans distorted the concept so much we have no clue what it really means anymore.  Now you can't say your liberal, conservative, progressive... you gotta come out and say specifically what you stand for if you want to make sense.  Conservative means small government? Then how come our government exploded under Bush?  Conservative means limited government?  Then why is the Bush II government repeatedly getting caught acting inappropriately, i.e. paying off reporters, fucking with Joe Wilson, going to court for the right to hide pictures from Abu Graib.   And how the fuck can you be libertarian (which i thought you were) and socially conservative at the same time?  You want the govt. to leave us the fuck alone, but you want them deciding what type of sex we engage in, whether or not we have access to porn, what we get to watch on TV, and listen to on the radio? 
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Ant on October 02, 2005, 04:45:45 PM
Get Pac out of your avatar, hes an icon and left winger to the fullest u dont deserve that in ur sig.

Thank you.  This guy is walking contradiction. There is no real point to even arguing with this dude, anyone that worships pac and hates the left might as well just get dumbass tattooed across their belly. 
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 04:50:05 PM
Get Pac out of your avatar, hes an icon and left winger to the fullest u dont deserve that in ur sig.

Thank you.  This guy is walking contradiction. There is no real point to even arguing with this dude, anyone that worships pac and hates the left might as well just get dumbass tattooed across their belly. 

seriously, has the dude even listened to songs like "soldier", "letter to the president" and "changes"?Pac had black panther blood flowing thru his veins, the same panthers that were incarcerated, broken and murdered by Reagan in the 70s, mr right wing icon
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Lincoln on October 02, 2005, 04:52:07 PM
This asshole assumes way too much with respect to someone holding right wing conservative views. All you're doing is stereotyping. I am a conservative, I believe in limited government intervention, low taxes, free speech, a free market, and socially conservative values. Just because someone is conservative does not make them a supporter of Bush. Conservatism is a pretty broad term, so you assuming that all conservatives love dead Iraquis is like someone saying all blacks support gang violence. Both obviously not true and just broad stereotypes.

My views are completely opposite of yours, and i cant say all consevatives are bigots but every one i have come across is a racist and a greedy piece of shit to soem degree.I work in wall street so i have a front row seat to hundreds of opinons daily.I dont say things to shock, im tired of u guys using Christ to con votes out of people.Even the Pope condemned the war in Iraq as immoral.Explain to me this mr conservaitve?How is it that u can be pro life and pro death penalty?Hypocrisy at its finest, a murder is a murder is amurder in God eyes.He is the judge not us

Maybe in the US you only meet racists, but my family in my country (Canada), most of my friends, many of my classmates and myself are all self-proclaimed conservatives, and none of us has any sort of racist views. As far as you working on wall street you are a hypocrite, how do you rail against the machine and then work for it? And I don't agree with the Iraq war, find one post of mine where I do in every post I have in this forum. My conservatism is with respect to non-intervensionism and small government, so invading countries is not something I believe in.

And how can one be pro life and pro death penalty? How about the baby did nothing wrong while the criminal broke the law. It's pretty simple. I don't know why people don't get this.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Lincoln on October 02, 2005, 04:56:08 PM
This asshole assumes way too much with respect to someone holding right wing conservative views. All you're doing is stereotyping. I am a conservative, I believe in limited government intervention, low taxes, free speech, a free market, and socially conservative values. Just because someone is conservative does not make them a supporter of Bush. Conservatism is a pretty broad term, so you assuming that all conservatives love dead Iraquis is like someone saying all blacks support gang violence. Both obviously not true and just broad stereotypes.

The fact is tho, you've come out bitching a number of times when people criticize Bush and the republican party, which really makes no sense since you're not even American.   No doubt, conservatism is a pretty broad term NOW, cuz modern republicans distorted the concept so much we have no clue what it really means anymore.  Now you can't say your liberal, conservative, progressive... you gotta come out and say specifically what you stand for if you want to make sense.  Conservative means small government? Then how come our government exploded under Bush?  Conservative means limited government?  Then why is the Bush II government repeatedly getting caught acting inappropriately, i.e. paying off reporters, fucking with Joe Wilson, going to court for the right to hide pictures from Abu Graib.   And how the fuck can you be libertarian (which i thought you were) and socially conservative at the same time?  You want the govt. to leave us the fuck alone, but you want them deciding what type of sex we engage in, whether or not we have access to porn, what we get to watch on TV, and listen to on the radio? 


I don't care if people critisize the Republican party, so I don't know where you got that from. I bash Bush, I just hate the stupid celebrities and students who don't give a fuck about politics, but hate Bush. Not because they should like him but simply because they get their opinions in there on a bandwagon.

Now your country is an anomaly, so I agree with the fact that the Bush Administration really isn't conservative for the reasons you stated.

And I might be inclined to fiscal libertarianism but I am socially conservative with issues like abortion, homosexual marriage and the like.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 04:57:53 PM
This asshole assumes way too much with respect to someone holding right wing conservative views. All you're doing is stereotyping. I am a conservative, I believe in limited government intervention, low taxes, free speech, a free market, and socially conservative values. Just because someone is conservative does not make them a supporter of Bush. Conservatism is a pretty broad term, so you assuming that all conservatives love dead Iraquis is like someone saying all blacks support gang violence. Both obviously not true and just broad stereotypes.

My views are completely opposite of yours, and i cant say all consevatives are bigots but every one i have come across is a racist and a greedy piece of shit to soem degree.I work in wall street so i have a front row seat to hundreds of opinons daily.I dont say things to shock, im tired of u guys using Christ to con votes out of people.Even the Pope condemned the war in Iraq as immoral.Explain to me this mr conservaitve?How is it that u can be pro life and pro death penalty?Hypocrisy at its finest, a murder is a murder is amurder in God eyes.He is the judge not us

Maybe in the US you only meet racists, but my family in my country (Canada), most of my friends, many of my classmates and myself are all self-proclaimed conservatives, and none of us has any sort of racist views. As far as you working on wall street you are a hypocrite, how do you rail against the machine and then work for it? And I don't agree with the Iraq war, find one post of mine where I do in every post I have in this forum. My conservatism is with respect to non-intervensionism and small government, so invading countries is not something I believe in.

And how can one be pro life and pro death penalty? How about the baby did nothing wrong while the criminal broke the law. It's pretty simple. I don't know why people don't get this.

I work in the machine because i have no choice,  im stuck in this capitalist dog eat dog world and i have a family and a mortgage.Family comes first before any of my ideological beliefs so i do what i have to do.But beleive me im working on that political science degree homie i plan on doing something to contribute to the cause.Starting with Obradors campaign in Mexico for 2006.Im new to this section so i apologize if i am not familiar with ur views on Iraq.Killing somebody with lethal injection is still a murder in Gods eyes so its the same crime.Unless ur views on abortion have nothing to do with religion then thats a hypocrite move
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Machiavelli on October 02, 2005, 04:58:29 PM
Get Pac out of your avatar, hes an icon and left winger to the fullest u dont deserve that in ur sig.

Thank you.  This guy is walking contradiction. There is no real point to even arguing with this dude, anyone that worships pac and hates the left might as well just get dumbass tattooed across their belly.  

seriously, has the dude even listened to songs like "soldier", "letter to the president" and "changes"?Pac had black panther blood flowing thru his veins, the same panthers that were incarcerated, broken and murdered by Reagan in the 70s, mr right wing icon

Assuming things once agian...

Just because I have pac in my avatar makes me a worshiper of him???

Im a fan of his music...music is entertainment, I dont have to believe everything word pac says...You guys are fucking dumb man.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 05:00:50 PM
This asshole assumes way too much with respect to someone holding right wing conservative views. All you're doing is stereotyping. I am a conservative, I believe in limited government intervention, low taxes, free speech, a free market, and socially conservative values. Just because someone is conservative does not make them a supporter of Bush. Conservatism is a pretty broad term, so you assuming that all conservatives love dead Iraquis is like someone saying all blacks support gang violence. Both obviously not true and just broad stereotypes.

The fact is tho, you've come out bitching a number of times when people criticize Bush and the republican party, which really makes no sense since you're not even American.   No doubt, conservatism is a pretty broad term NOW, cuz modern republicans distorted the concept so much we have no clue what it really means anymore.  Now you can't say your liberal, conservative, progressive... you gotta come out and say specifically what you stand for if you want to make sense.  Conservative means small government? Then how come our government exploded under Bush?  Conservative means limited government?  Then why is the Bush II government repeatedly getting caught acting inappropriately, i.e. paying off reporters, fucking with Joe Wilson, going to court for the right to hide pictures from Abu Graib.   And how the fuck can you be libertarian (which i thought you were) and socially conservative at the same time?  You want the govt. to leave us the fuck alone, but you want them deciding what type of sex we engage in, whether or not we have access to porn, what we get to watch on TV, and listen to on the radio? 


I don't care if people critisize the Republican party, so I don't know where you got that from. I bash Bush, I just hate the stupid celebrities and students who don't give a fuck about politics, but hate Bush. Not because they should like him but simply because they get their opinions in there on a bandwagon.

Now your country is an anomaly, so I agree with the fact that the Bush Administration really isn't conservative for the reasons you stated.

And I might be inclined to fiscal libertarianism but I am socially conservative with issues like abortion, homosexual marriage and the like.

those are actually the only 2 issues i agree with the right on, I am pro life and against gay marriage in a church and gay adoption.I think gays can get married in city hall thats fine but u shouldnt force churches to accept it.I also feel there hasnt been enough research into the psychological impact of 2 gay parents on children to agree with it
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 05:02:28 PM
Get Pac out of your avatar, hes an icon and left winger to the fullest u dont deserve that in ur sig.

Thank you.  This guy is walking contradiction. There is no real point to even arguing with this dude, anyone that worships pac and hates the left might as well just get dumbass tattooed across their belly.  

seriously, has the dude even listened to songs like "soldier", "letter to the president" and "changes"?Pac had black panther blood flowing thru his veins, the same panthers that were incarcerated, broken and murdered by Reagan in the 70s, mr right wing icon

Assuming things once agian...

Just because I have pac in my avatar makes me a worshiper of him???

Im a fan of his music...music is entertainment, I dont have to believe everything word pac says...You guys are fucking dumb man.


so like Masta Killa  said, "the dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum"
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Machiavelli on October 02, 2005, 05:05:42 PM
^yeah w.e
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Ant on October 02, 2005, 05:18:01 PM
This asshole assumes way too much with respect to someone holding right wing conservative views. All you're doing is stereotyping. I am a conservative, I believe in limited government intervention, low taxes, free speech, a free market, and socially conservative values. Just because someone is conservative does not make them a supporter of Bush. Conservatism is a pretty broad term, so you assuming that all conservatives love dead Iraquis is like someone saying all blacks support gang violence. Both obviously not true and just broad stereotypes.

The fact is tho, you've come out bitching a number of times when people criticize Bush and the republican party, which really makes no sense since you're not even American.   No doubt, conservatism is a pretty broad term NOW, cuz modern republicans distorted the concept so much we have no clue what it really means anymore.  Now you can't say your liberal, conservative, progressive... you gotta come out and say specifically what you stand for if you want to make sense.  Conservative means small government? Then how come our government exploded under Bush?  Conservative means limited government?  Then why is the Bush II government repeatedly getting caught acting inappropriately, i.e. paying off reporters, fucking with Joe Wilson, going to court for the right to hide pictures from Abu Graib.   And how the fuck can you be libertarian (which i thought you were) and socially conservative at the same time?  You want the govt. to leave us the fuck alone, but you want them deciding what type of sex we engage in, whether or not we have access to porn, what we get to watch on TV, and listen to on the radio? 


 I just hate the stupid celebrities and students who don't give a fuck about politics, but hate Bush. Not because they should like him but simply because they get their opinions in there on a bandwagon.

Now your country is an anomaly, so I agree with the fact that the Bush Administration really isn't conservative for the reasons you stated.

And I might be inclined to fiscal libertarianism but I am socially conservative with issues like abortion, homosexual marriage and the like.

No doubt, I get just as pissed reading liberal blogs as I do reading the conservative ones lately.  The know-it-all bangwagoners on the left are just as obnoxious as Rush, Bill, Sean, and Ann are.  Ironically too, I don't support homo marriage, I can't stand the feminist movement, and I can go either way on abortion.  I think its good for society, but I have no problem with it being a states rights decision.

Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Zeus on October 02, 2005, 05:19:57 PM
This asshole assumes way too much with respect to someone holding right wing conservative views. All you're doing is stereotyping. I am a conservative, I believe in limited government intervention, low taxes, free speech, a free market, and socially conservative values. Just because someone is conservative does not make them a supporter of Bush. Conservatism is a pretty broad term, so you assuming that all conservatives love dead Iraquis is like someone saying all blacks support gang violence. Both obviously not true and just broad stereotypes.

The fact is tho, you've come out bitching a number of times when people criticize Bush and the republican party, which really makes no sense since you're not even American.   No doubt, conservatism is a pretty broad term NOW, cuz modern republicans distorted the concept so much we have no clue what it really means anymore.  Now you can't say your liberal, conservative, progressive... you gotta come out and say specifically what you stand for if you want to make sense.  Conservative means small government? Then how come our government exploded under Bush?  Conservative means limited government?  Then why is the Bush II government repeatedly getting caught acting inappropriately, i.e. paying off reporters, fucking with Joe Wilson, going to court for the right to hide pictures from Abu Graib.   And how the fuck can you be libertarian (which i thought you were) and socially conservative at the same time?  You want the govt. to leave us the fuck alone, but you want them deciding what type of sex we engage in, whether or not we have access to porn, what we get to watch on TV, and listen to on the radio? 


 I just hate the stupid celebrities and students who don't give a fuck about politics, but hate Bush. Not because they should like him but simply because they get their opinions in there on a bandwagon.

Now your country is an anomaly, so I agree with the fact that the Bush Administration really isn't conservative for the reasons you stated.

And I might be inclined to fiscal libertarianism but I am socially conservative with issues like abortion, homosexual marriage and the like.

No doubt, I get just as pissed reading liberal blogs as I do reading the conservative ones lately.  The know-it-all bangwagoners on the left are just as obnoxious as Rush, Bill, Sean, and Ann are.  Ironically too, I don't support homo marriage, I can't stand the feminist movement, and I can go either way on abortion.  I think its good for society, but I have no problem with it being a states rights decision.



u should think about supporting another left party, theres plenty to choose from u just gotta find one that fits what u believe in.A 3rd party will emerge in this country its inevetiable if u ask me
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Ant on October 02, 2005, 07:33:47 PM
This asshole assumes way too much with respect to someone holding right wing conservative views. All you're doing is stereotyping. I am a conservative, I believe in limited government intervention, low taxes, free speech, a free market, and socially conservative values. Just because someone is conservative does not make them a supporter of Bush. Conservatism is a pretty broad term, so you assuming that all conservatives love dead Iraquis is like someone saying all blacks support gang violence. Both obviously not true and just broad stereotypes.

The fact is tho, you've come out bitching a number of times when people criticize Bush and the republican party, which really makes no sense since you're not even American.   No doubt, conservatism is a pretty broad term NOW, cuz modern republicans distorted the concept so much we have no clue what it really means anymore.  Now you can't say your liberal, conservative, progressive... you gotta come out and say specifically what you stand for if you want to make sense.  Conservative means small government? Then how come our government exploded under Bush?  Conservative means limited government?  Then why is the Bush II government repeatedly getting caught acting inappropriately, i.e. paying off reporters, fucking with Joe Wilson, going to court for the right to hide pictures from Abu Graib.   And how the fuck can you be libertarian (which i thought you were) and socially conservative at the same time?  You want the govt. to leave us the fuck alone, but you want them deciding what type of sex we engage in, whether or not we have access to porn, what we get to watch on TV, and listen to on the radio? 


 I just hate the stupid celebrities and students who don't give a fuck about politics, but hate Bush. Not because they should like him but simply because they get their opinions in there on a bandwagon.

Now your country is an anomaly, so I agree with the fact that the Bush Administration really isn't conservative for the reasons you stated.

And I might be inclined to fiscal libertarianism but I am socially conservative with issues like abortion, homosexual marriage and the like.

No doubt, I get just as pissed reading liberal blogs as I do reading the conservative ones lately.  The know-it-all bangwagoners on the left are just as obnoxious as Rush, Bill, Sean, and Ann are.  Ironically too, I don't support homo marriage, I can't stand the feminist movement, and I can go either way on abortion.  I think its good for society, but I have no problem with it being a states rights decision.



u should think about supporting another left party, theres plenty to choose from u just gotta find one that fits what u believe in.A 3rd party will emerge in this country its inevetiable if u ask me

When a reasonable third party emerges then perhaps... But people go thru changes in life its almost impossible to expect a political party to align perfectly with your views. I don't expect a whole lot out of politicians, I just don't want to see our government ran as incompetently as it is by the Bush II administration.  Politics isn't structured to encourage competence to rise to the top.  We all fall for this fantasy that the rigors of our political system force us to elect a president who is undoubtedly the best of the best.  In reality, the rigors of our political system probably scare away the truly competent, and ends up being predisposed towards electing egotistical pricks
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on October 03, 2005, 12:37:17 PM
Today, we have a condition where everyone is running around wanting their rights for themselves to be fullfilled.  But this is not the program for success in this life and the hereafter.  Everybody can fight but everybody can't win.  Every race and people is on here talking about some injustice that they believe has been done to them.  And I'm from a white wing conservative, suburban background, so I know that we I come from people feel that the needs and grievances of all races are consistently recieving attention and recourse, and they believe that white/right wing people are somehow being left out and not having their rights fullfilled.  (And often we expect more then what is really fair for us on a global scale, but that's another subject entirely)

But sometimes we have to give up things that are lawful and desireable for us if we want to succeed in this life and the hereafter.  That's why Allah teaches us in Noble Qu'ran how to learn self-restraint, and Allah makes giving worship.  One of the greatest virtue's of a Muslim, of a man in this life is when he can forego his own rights in preference to the rights of others.  The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was quoted as saying something to the effect of, "you have not believed until you want for your brother what you want for yourself."  But how do you want for your brother what you want for yourself?  This is a learned behaivor.  And so Allah perscribes for us fasting during the month of Ramaddaan.  During the month of Ramaddan, the Muslim gives up what is lawful and desireable for himself, in order to please his Creator.  And when someone comes to quarrel with the fasting Muslim he replies "I'm am fasting", because Allah is teaching us self-restraint.  You have to control your lower desires to always have your attention and needs met, and this is how you gain the pleasure of Allah in this life and the hereafter.  This is the true program for success, that goes beyond lobbying for one's own selfish interest, and you learn to become self-less.  All praise and thanks is due to Allah who has made giving of oneself an act of worship.
Title: Re: Ironic how top republican leaders are all being investigated for wrong-doing
Post by: Ant on October 03, 2005, 02:18:18 PM
The unfortunate thing is, when you die you're we're not gonna get the satisfaction of knowing you finallly realized ur stupid.