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Title: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: infinite59 on April 23, 2002, 07:05:24 PM
Hip-hop musicians are more "genius" than these cats.

Yo... I'm in music appreciation, Beathoven, Back, those cats ain't shit, they made music for the King, it's like today if some "geniuses" made music for president Bush, to please him and the wealthy class of freemasons, it would be wack, the real music is in the streets, from the streets, for the streets, that's where the true genius comes from, neccessity, like hip-hop, they created their own art form out of neccessity.  Robert Moses had Brooklyn all fucked up because of the Cross Bronx expressway.  Hip-hop saved Brooklyn.
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Woodrow on April 23, 2002, 07:17:24 PM
Did you know Ludwig van Beethoven was deaf for the last part of his life? He still composed without ANY hearing. That's genius to me! There are 7 piano sonatas that he composed while he was deaf, some of them are thought to be his GREATEST shit...

It was weak that they had to make music for the king, but thats how shit was back then. Artists had to do shit for the king as well... They were compsoing for their own enjoyment, but they did it in the name of the king.

To say they arent shit isnt fair. Just wait till Dj quiks new CD comes out, check out Chopin's groove to see how these guys can play a big part in Rap music today!

-Engelwood
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: infinite59 on April 23, 2002, 07:45:36 PM
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Did you know Ludwig van Beethoven was deaf for the last part of his life? He still composed without ANY hearing. That's genius to me! There are 7 piano sonatas that he composed while he was deaf, some of them are thought to be his GREATEST shit...

It was weak that they had to make music for the king, but thats how shit was back then. Artists had to do shit for the king as well... They were compsoing for their own enjoyment, but they did it in the name of the king.

To say they arent shit isnt fair. Just wait till Dj quiks new CD comes out, check out Chopin's groove to see how these guys can play a big part in Rap music today!

-Engelwood


Check this though.... I bet back in those days, the real people, working 9:00 to 5:00 and the disenfranchised people of the day, people of the streets, I bet they were like "Fuck Mozart" and they were listening to better shit that just didn't get popular.  Years from now they'll say the band Creed were geniuses and won't mention Bone.
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Ant on April 24, 2002, 02:35:13 AM
please shut up this post is retarded
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: ExZit on April 24, 2002, 02:57:11 AM
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Posted by: Ant Posted on: Today at 07:35:13
please shut up this post is retarded  



LOL  ;D

lock this topic!

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Years from now they'll say the band Creed were geniuses and won't mention Bone.


dont think soo!
do u think the president can control the hisstory books?

j/k   ;)
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Jay ay Beee on April 24, 2002, 03:18:42 AM
Which King?  Of which country?  

Straight crappy post right here, I'm surprised at who it's by

Safe
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Nosak on April 24, 2002, 05:03:59 AM
i really don't think that they were wack , they're shit is there for how many years and it still classic, who know if classic from nowadays will remain in 300 years from now,you heard them music mostly everywhere u go, and u don't hear rap in restaurant like mcdonald or in the elevator or some, c'mon , it just ain't your style, but it ain't wack ;)
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: infinite59 on April 24, 2002, 06:04:35 AM
you win some, you lose some
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: West Coast Veteran on April 24, 2002, 06:16:37 AM
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you win some, you lose some


but you live to fight another day
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Murrow on April 24, 2002, 08:36:25 AM
Yo Infinite, you gotta start respecting other types of music, and not act like the world revolves around Hip-Hop.  These guys were genius's, and still are influecenial.  Just ask Alicia Keys.  It's not who you make the music for either, it's how it sounds.

I hope you don't get sick of Hip-Hop soon cause you gotta peep other shit once and a while to stay fresh.

Peace
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Braindead on April 24, 2002, 08:51:33 AM
No classical music = no Dre 2001
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: infinite59 on April 24, 2002, 09:26:59 AM
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Yo Infinite, you gotta start respecting other types of music, and not act like the world revolves around Hip-Hop.  These guys were genius's, and still are influecenial.  Just ask Alicia Keys.  It's not who you make the music for either, it's how it sounds.

I hope you don't get sick of Hip-Hop soon cause you gotta peep other shit once and a while to stay fresh.

Peace


To stay fresh?  Man.... you crazy homie..... during hip-hop's golden age of 88' I wasn't even listening to hip-hop, I was too young, and up until like 98, I was a straight West Coast head, that's a 10 YEAR PERIOD of major album releases that I may have missed.  I'll be busy with hip-hop for a LONG time.
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: min0rity on April 24, 2002, 10:33:12 AM
yeah like i said on the other thread...i think they are overrated as fuck.....gets too much credit
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Don Jacob on April 24, 2002, 12:59:13 PM
infinate with all due respect and no beef....BUT


this is THE MOST:BLATENTELY IGNORANT, CLOSED MINDED,HISTERICLE, RETARDED, DUMBEST, GAYEST, FUNNIEST, BIASED, PLUS MANY MORE NEGATIVE ADJECTIVES.....things i've ever read, (i'm not dissing you AT ALL) but this really deteriorates ALOT of your other philosopies as well


like the other homie said , if composing THE BEST melodies ever and being deaf ain't genius i don't know what is, lol dude straight up u need to get your mind in check a lil bit
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: DreSnoop00 on April 24, 2002, 01:37:38 PM
yeah i'm not into classical music much fur beethoven, mozart, bach.. all geniuses
beethoven..a deaf man and composed some of the most classic music.. listen to "fur elise" all by beethoven, that really is straight up genius right there

all three of those men all geniuses and all fit under classical music.
i heard this today about them three being under the categories of classical:
romantic
heroic
classical itself

Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: bLaDe on April 24, 2002, 01:44:30 PM
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yeah i'm not into classical music much fur beethoven, mozart, bach.. all geniuses
beethoven..a deaf man and composed some of the most classic music.. listen to "fur elise" all by beethoven, that really is straight up genius right there

all three of those men all geniuses and all fit under classical music.
i heard this today about them three being under the categories of classical:
romantic
heroic
classical itself



word, i disagree infinite, sure everyone has their own taste, for example, i hate pop, but i will easily admit most of the pop artists...can sing...

These guys were geniuses IMO.....thaz all i gotta say

 -{bLaDe}
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 24, 2002, 02:09:40 PM
i would say like this:

like Einstein said, "Everything Is Relative"

to be considered as a genious, you gotta be compared with somebody, the only classical composers we know are thoose who played for royalities and raises to the nobilities . we can say that their music were tremendous, but the definition of genious is "exceptional creative ability" and to know if somebody have a exceptional creative ability, we gotta compare with all the rest of the composeres, witch we cant, cuz 95% of them are unknown by us...maby the unknown talents had much more skillz than mozart, but didnt had enough connection to enter the royalities, we dont know that

so i dont consider mozart, beethoven and the rest as genius, BUT i do consider them as very musical talented composers..


that was some deep shit, wasnt it? 8)
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Don Jacob on April 24, 2002, 02:12:59 PM
if they arn't geniess than dj quik , dr. dre and organized noize are helmet retards,lol
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 24, 2002, 02:14:50 PM
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if they arn't geniess than dj quik , dr. dre and organized noize are helmet retards,lol


they are genius compared to who??
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Alex_Wreck on April 24, 2002, 02:20:20 PM
You are so, so, so greatly ignorant.

All the respect I once had for you is gone.

I should have lost all respect for you when I found out you want to make a Tupac religion.

Tupac... religion.

Riight.
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Don Jacob on April 24, 2002, 02:24:20 PM
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they are genius compared to who??




every composer that ever lived before or after them, NOTE they wern't the first of their kind, and the deeper you'll get into music you'll find out that there were other note worthy musical arrangers before them, they are just more popular becuase Bach and Beetoven were the greatest
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 24, 2002, 02:31:57 PM
the period for classic music reaches over 400 years ... i dont think there is more than 400 known composers witch means that the most educated person knows an avreage of 1 composer / year .... thats not enough to be cassified as a genious ...

its like saying that dre is a hiphop-genius when there's only 15-20 producers in the whole hiphop-history
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Don Jacob on April 24, 2002, 02:36:33 PM
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the period for classic music reaches over 400 years ... i dont think there is more than 400 known composers witch means that the most educated person knows an avreage of 1 composer / year .... thats not enough to be cassified as a genious ...

its like saying that dre is a hiphop-genius when there's only 15-20 producers in the whole hiphop-history



lol your so ignorant it's amuzing me, snoop dogg is greater than 2pac huh?



and as far as rap producers theres been way more than 15-20, hell theres more than 15 and 20 now...in the westcoast alone i can name 10

1. dre
2. quik
3. battlecat
4. soopafly
5. fredwreck
6. ant banks
7. qdIII
8. muggs
9. e-swift
10. daz


ok theres 10, and that's not even including all the down south and eastcoast , AND other westcoast producers
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 24, 2002, 02:43:15 PM
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lol your so ignorant it's amuzing me, snoop dogg is greater than 2pac huh?



and as far as rap producers theres been way more than 15-20, hell theres more than 15 and 20 now...in the westcoast alone i can name 10

1. dre
2. quik
3. battlecat
4. soopafly
5. fredwreck
6. ant banks
7. qdIII
8. muggs
9. e-swift
10. daz


ok theres 10, and that's not even including all the down south and eastcoast , AND other westcoast producers


**correction**
its like saying that dre is a hiphop-genius IF there's only been 15-20 producers in the whole hiphop-history

and yes, snoop dogg is better than 2pac, but what snoop got to do with this???
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Don Jacob on April 24, 2002, 02:44:48 PM
LMAO your a funny little piece
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 24, 2002, 02:47:01 PM
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LMAO your a funny little piece


ROTF, you funny big piece of shit...
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Don Jacob on April 24, 2002, 02:50:06 PM
the ignrant can only result in childish 4th grade insult in defeat
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 24, 2002, 02:57:39 PM
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the ignrant can only result in childish 4th grade insult in defeat


denial - a defense mechanism that denies painful thoughts
:-/
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Don Jacob on April 24, 2002, 03:01:12 PM
what am i denying,lol
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: bLaDe on April 24, 2002, 03:07:45 PM
lmao

 -{bLaDe}
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 24, 2002, 03:09:50 PM
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what am i denying,lol


1. You Denying The Fact That You're Bein Childish By Callin Me That.. ( i just replied to your childish post where u called me "a funny little piece"

2. You're Denying The Fact That Mozart Rightfully Cant Be Called Genius, Cuz We Dont Know Much About The Cmposers That Lived During His Era... We Know Max 30-40 Composers From That 40 Year Period, Witch Cant Make Us Entitled T Determine Whever He Was Better Than The Other Composers Living During His Era Or Not.

3. You're Denying The Fact That Even Though You Have A Musical Schoolarship, It Doesnt Neccecarily Means That You're The Most Educated Person Here And That Everything You Say Is Correct, And That Wer're Wrong If We Dont Agree

4. You're Denying The Fact That A Person Doesnt Have To Be Familar With Classical Music To Produce Dope Ass BEats...
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Don Jacob on April 24, 2002, 04:17:01 PM
from that post you just proved how much you are in denile amongst other things (ignorant, liar, desperate, and foolish)


Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: DreSnoop00 on April 24, 2002, 04:18:44 PM
LOL, this thread is turnin into something else lol
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Don Jacob on April 24, 2002, 04:22:49 PM
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1. You Denying The Fact That You're Bein Childish By Callin Me That.. ( i just replied to your childish post where u called me "a funny little piece"

2. You're Denying The Fact That Mozart Rightfully Cant Be Called Genius, Cuz We Dont Know Much About The Cmposers That Lived During His Era... We Know Max 30-40 Composers From That 40 Year Period, Witch Cant Make Us Entitled T Determine Whever He Was Better Than The Other Composers Living During His Era Or Not.

3. You're Denying The Fact That Even Though You Have A Musical Schoolarship, It Doesnt Neccecarily Means That You're The Most Educated Person Here And That Everything You Say Is Correct, And That Wer're Wrong If We Dont Agree

4. You're Denying The Fact That A Person Doesnt Have To Be Familar With Classical Music To Produce Dope Ass BEats...




1. you just admitted how paranoid and defensive you are, all i said is 'you are a funny little peice' in american slang that just means your a funny dude, you humor me, meaning you make me chuckle

2. you just admitted how ignorant you are, because that whole statement/theory is false and if you studied more about these artists you wouldn't be saying that

3. you're desperate, the only person here that's even on my level and visa versa about music, which most people will admit is trauma, and everything i say he agrees with , and most of the people that agree with you think snoop is the best rapper ever

4. your a liar, becuase i never said that. But if i did it is true, and scientifically proven that if you listen to classical music as a young child u will succeed more in life
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: infinite59 on April 24, 2002, 06:09:56 PM
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infinate with all due respect and no beef....BUT


this is THE MOST:BLATENTELY IGNORANT, CLOSED MINDED,HISTERICLE, RETARDED, DUMBEST, GAYEST, FUNNIEST, BIASED, PLUS MANY MORE NEGATIVE ADJECTIVES.....things i've ever read, (i'm not dissing you AT ALL) but this really deteriorates ALOT of your other philosopies as well


like the other homie said , if composing THE BEST melodies ever and being deaf ain't genius i don't know what is, lol dude straight up u need to get your mind in check a lil bit


Okay...... I will compromise with you and say that it isn't wack, it's incredible music, however, it has been glorified, while hip-hop has been demonized, so I am standing up on behalf of hip-hop............

Jake, check this out, here is what you aren't understanding.  American culture is unique, in that our music in the 20's, began to divide across opposing races and classes, due to the Industrial Revolution and America's rise to power.  CD's, Albums, Records, also became avalaible for purchase.  So instead of being in the 1800's and having some 7 composers to choose from, you now have hundreds of artists and sounds to choose from.  Today's music, is not a sign of decreased musical intelligence, but rather an advance in technology, increase in consumerism, and a seperation of races and classes.  Therefore your whole argument bastardizing and degrading hip-hop music because it isn't like European influenced classical music is bogus, and completely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: The Big Bad Ass on April 24, 2002, 07:57:14 PM
Wow infinite, pretty bold statements. I'm hip hop till I die, but being that I have some piano background from when I was younger, I gotta say that Mozart is amazing. I don't know too much about Bach, beethoven, ect, but Mozart was so far ahead of his time, it is insane. I'm a closet classical fan due to my musical upbringing, and I think you were way off with your initial statements. At least about Mozart. I would rate him one of my all time fave musicians. Next to Dre of course:)
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: infinite59 on April 24, 2002, 08:07:32 PM
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Wow infinite, pretty bold statements. I'm hip hop till I die, but being that I have some piano background from when I was younger, I gotta say that Mozart is amazing. I don't know too much about Bach, beethoven, ect, but Mozart was so far ahead of his time, it is insane. I'm a closet classical fan due to my musical upbringing, and I think you were way off with your initial statements. At least about Mozart. I would rate him one of my all time fave musicians. Next to Dre of course:)


Yeah, my initial statements were to attract attention to the thread, but I honestly believe that Dre, Em, 2pac, Primo, Rza, those guys are on the same level as Beathoven and the leading musicians of those times, but it's a different world today, and the music and culture is a reflection of that.
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: The Big Bad Ass on April 24, 2002, 08:16:18 PM
^^ I agree. I would rate Dre on the same page as a mozart personally. I was just sounding off in support of those other musicians.
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Post by: Maestro Minded on April 24, 2002, 08:49:06 PM
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1. you just admitted how paranoid and defensive you are, all i said is 'you are a funny little peice' in american slang that just means your a funny dude, you humor me, meaning you make me chuckle

2. you just admitted how ignorant you are, because that whole statement/theory is false and if you studied more about these artists you wouldn't be saying that

3. you're desperate, the only person here that's even on my level and visa versa about music, which most people will admit is trauma, and everything i say he agrees with , and most of the people that agree with you think snoop is the best rapper ever

4. your a liar, becuase i never said that. But if i did it is true, and scientifically proven that if you listen to classical music as a young child u will succeed more in life


why dont we tel trauma speak on this....???

the onöy overrated guy i know is you, and you're overrated by-yourself....
u're saying that what i say is bullshit, can u specify or do yu think im speaking 100% bulls like chicago...
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Don Jacob on April 24, 2002, 09:16:27 PM
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Okay...... I will compromise with you and say that it isn't wack, it's incredible music, however, it has been glorified, while hip-hop has been demonized, so I am standing up on behalf of hip-hop............

Jake, check this out, here is what you aren't understanding.  American culture is unique, in that our music in the 20's, began to divide across opposing races and classes, due to the Industrial Revolution and America's rise to power.  CD's, Albums, Records, also became avalaible for purchase.  So instead of being in the 1800's and having some 7 composers to choose from, you now have hundreds of artists and sounds to choose from.  Today's music, is not a sign of decreased musical intelligence, but rather an advance in technology, increase in consumerism, and a seperation of races and classes.  Therefore your whole argument bastardizing and degrading hip-hop music because it isn't like European influenced classical music is bogus, and completely ridiculous.





your missng the point, the whole point is , unlike todays music, beetoven, Bach, Mozart had no blue print, they created their own templates of art. plus if you look at any of their tabs or notes it is by far some of the best, most complex, melodic, and intellegent which bars of melodies in ONE song could expand for 20 pages compared to modern music mostly hip hop which is lucky to even fill up a quarter of a page with melodies ....and  half the time the melodies arn't original!

also today's music is lucky if it has a shelf life for 3 months where as ALL of the works of thos famous composers have lasted for centuries



its almost insane to put eminem up there with Bach,lol, that's like putting Hoobastank up there with Aerosmith or sum 41 up with Metallica or better yet 98 degrees up there with the Beatles



i can see where your  coming from .......your a big fan of this genre (rap) and like it better than any other genre. so if YOU like it, it must be the best and if you don't like something else it must be bad...sorry doesn't work that way. i'm not dissing you it's only natural for humans to feel that way about certain things


and as far as your theory of freedom of choice.....that's a sad comparison.....theres more choices, yah , but for some reason theres less great work. I don't know if you knew this or not but the reason why there were limited choices back in the days was becuase if you sucked, you were killed or sent to work as a farmer. so actuallly making music for the king could be looked at as a filtration system



but infinate, what you are saying like this man, bob ross (that old white painter guy on tv with the afro) is just as good as Michaelangelo , because he can draw a good Pine tree
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: infinite59 on April 24, 2002, 11:38:33 PM
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and as far as your theory of freedom of choice.....that's a sad comparison.....theres more choices, yah , but for some reason theres less great work. I don't know if you knew this or not but the reason why there were limited choices back in the days was becuase if you sucked, you were killed or sent to work as a farmer. so actuallly making music for the king could be looked at as a filtration system


Jake, I can't argue with you unless you point out facts, so I stripped your reply of all the waste, and kept the substance, so I can respond.  You saying that the reason for limited choices back in the baroque and classical periods was because you were killed if you sucked... LMFAO!!!!!! No, actually, there was alot of folk music being sung, like "Ohh Brother Where Art Thou" type shit, and other music was made, but the resources and instruments were scarce, other than the piano, and you couldn't record anything onto a tape, and you couldn't make money off your music unless you were one of the 7 or so elite composers of the day.

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Post by: Ant on April 25, 2002, 05:31:12 AM
dre is not on the same level as mozart... lets explain it like this


DRE samples all of his music... despite the fact that he doesnt use samples anymore he still in essence does the same

his most classic beats are not even changed up, nothing but a G thang, gz and hustaz, next episode was completely jacked, etc

the albums he makes now that are supposedly sample free, dont contain any previously heard samples but now he has a bunch of musicians jam, and make melodies which he loops and samples... he still samples just not in the same way he prviously did


mozart bach whoever on the otherhand sat down with a pen and wrote music onto paper completely on their own.  they composed melodies in their head and wrote it on paper, and extremely complex melodies at that... im not a classical fanatic a lot of it is amazing...

they not only wrote the music but they thought out every small detail, it wasn't just a composition for a piano they wrote for whole orchestras, mozart created plays that sold out repeatedly.... dre helped make the wash which grossed jack shit

i love dre, and listen to hip hop way more

further more we only know of 40 major classical composers becuz that shit happened 100s of years ago...

do you think people are going to remember every single rap producer in another 300 years peeps arent gonna know who daz dillinger, alchemist, swiss beats, dj glove, mike dean, whoever hte fuck else is out is... they are gonna remember like 15 names at most that might last the test of time

u think it was any diff back then?  there was definitely other music but every single artist doesnt stand the test of time, only those that can do something special no one else can.... thats why those guys got remember forever

dre might get remember for a long time, but i doubt people will still be bumpin him 300 years from now
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Post by: Nosak on April 25, 2002, 08:34:07 AM
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but what snoop got to do with this???

true, u turning this to a snoop dogg beef, whats the deal  ::)
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Tito on April 25, 2002, 08:35:33 AM
I'M NOT A MODERATOR.....BUT WHY THIS TOPIC IS AND STILL HERE AND NOT ON "ANYTHING GOES"?  ::)
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 25, 2002, 08:42:25 AM
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I'M NOT A MODERATOR.....BUT WHY THIS TOPIC IS AND STILL HERE AND NOT ON "ANYTHING GOES"?  ::)


this is a music-related topic and should stay in main section
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: infinite59 on April 25, 2002, 09:21:44 AM
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dre is not on the same level as mozart... lets explain it like this


DRE samples all of his music... despite the fact that he doesnt use samples anymore he still in essence does the same

his most classic beats are not even changed up, nothing but a G thang, gz and hustaz, next episode was completely jacked, etc

the albums he makes now that are supposedly sample free, dont contain any previously heard samples but now he has a bunch of musicians jam, and make melodies which he loops and samples... he still samples just not in the same way he prviously did


mozart bach whoever on the otherhand sat down with a pen and wrote music onto paper completely on their own.  they composed melodies in their head and wrote it on paper, and extremely complex melodies at that... im not a classical fanatic a lot of it is amazing...

they not only wrote the music but they thought out every small detail, it wasn't just a composition for a piano they wrote for whole orchestras, mozart created plays that sold out repeatedly.... dre helped make the wash which grossed jack shit

i love dre, and listen to hip hop way more

further more we only know of 40 major classical composers becuz that shit happened 100s of years ago...

do you think people are going to remember every single rap producer in another 300 years peeps arent gonna know who daz dillinger, alchemist, swiss beats, dj glove, mike dean, whoever hte fuck else is out is... they are gonna remember like 15 names at most that might last the test of time

u think it was any diff back then?  there was definitely other music but every single artist doesnt stand the test of time, only those that can do something special no one else can.... thats why those guys got remember forever

dre might get remember for a long time, but i doubt people will still be bumpin him 300 years from now


Hip-hop was spawned from sampling.  Two turntables and a microphone.
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Jay ay Beee on April 25, 2002, 09:32:09 AM
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Hip-hop was spawned from sampling.  Two turntables and a microphone.



You just proved his point





Ask Dre if he thinks Mozart, Beethoven et al are wack and he'd just laugh at you
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Tito on April 25, 2002, 12:21:12 PM
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this is a music-related topic and should stay in main section


I DON'T THINK SO CUZ IF I PUT HERE A TOPIC ABOUT PAVAROTTI OR MADONNA SOMEBODY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY!
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 25, 2002, 12:28:05 PM
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I DON'T THINK SO CUZ IF I PUT HERE A TOPIC ABOUT PAVAROTTI OR MADONNA SOMEBODY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY!


this topic handels wether mozart had more skills than todays hiphop producer, therfore, it is connected to hiphop and should stay in the main section
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Don Jacob on April 25, 2002, 01:54:39 PM
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Jake, I can't argue with you unless you point out facts, so I stripped your reply of all the waste, and kept the substance, so I can respond.  You saying that the reason for limited choices back in the baroque and classical periods was because you were killed if you sucked... LMFAO!!!!!! No, actually, there was alot of folk music being sung, like "Ohh Brother Where Art Thou" type shit, and other music was made, but the resources and instruments were scarce, other than the piano, and you couldn't record anything onto a tape, and you couldn't make money off your music unless you were one of the 7 or so elite composers of the day.




1. bluegrass, wasn't even around back then
2. wether theres 7 or 700, those artists STILL made better music back in the day, go look at the musical notes to a beetoven song that can last up to 20 pages long, and still be listenable and intriging damn near half a millenium later , and the new wu tang joint that got played out in 3 months and who's musical notes and melodies wouldn't even be as long as this single post by me
3. anyone who wasn't great WHO PERFORMED or ENTERTAINED  the king in anyway was sent to a dungeon, executed, or banished, i am not wrong
4. people freely made music back in the day but they were more times than not old church hymms which were composed by other GREAT composers who STILL are better than the contemporary artists of today



it's sooooo obvious your in basic Music Appreciation, becuase you clearly arn't getting all the facts



Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Don Jacob on April 25, 2002, 01:59:20 PM
plain and simple the music speaks for it'self



modern music depends on on space age and super technological advancements  which aid modern day musicians AAAAAAAAAALOOOOOOT


the fact that Big B, Bach, 'zart, VB, ect were only working with basic instruments and analouge and primative technology and is STILL better than modern music speaks for it'self


think about it why do big time music experts , and geniuses from mensa agree with me, and only rap fans who are very limited in their musical tastes agree with you?
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Ant on April 26, 2002, 07:27:47 AM
i think it was summed up best when someone said "tell dre (or any big time procuder) what infinite said and they will laugh at you"

Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Jay ay Beee on April 26, 2002, 07:39:40 AM
Yeah that was me lol


Oh and Jake - I agree with what you're saying - but you  (and a lot of others) I've seen write on this board have such a stereotypical view of European monarchs

"anyone who wasn't great WHO PERFORMED or ENTERTAINED  the king in anyway was sent to a dungeon, executed, or banished, i am not wrong "

Yes you are actually

But apart from that I agree 100% with everything else you said
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 26, 2002, 07:41:22 AM
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the fact that Big B, Bach, 'zart, VB, ect were only working with basic instruments and analouge and primative technology and is STILL better than modern music speaks for it'self


strings, brass, flutes. .. do you call that basic instruments??? hats shows how uneducated you really are ... all the akai samples dre and other producers are using are trying to simulate those "simple instruments" .... how cheap do you think it is to buy 8 violins, 8 cello's, 8 violas, 2 contrabasses, 4 flutes, 4 diffrent kind of trumpets, 8 diffrent kinds of grand pianos, 20 diffrent kind of drum-sets, 10 diffrent kinds of guitars, 15 diffrent kind of basses... etc etc etc??? thats the reason hiphopers the uses mpc's insted of live instruments all the time ... nobody is willing to spend half million for instruments .. they prefere spending 10'000 bucks for an mpc 3000 + 30-50 akai sample discs  ... dont say that those instruments are primitive, it only shows your stupidity... a sampler is primitive... compared to live instruments)
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Trauma-san on April 26, 2002, 11:17:11 AM
You know; I retired.  But I couldn't keep my nose out of this one.  This is the most blatently stupid post I've ever read in my entire life.  You're so hellbent on proving that everything's a conspiracy from Mr. Whitey you've forgotten You're Mr. Whitey yourself, infinite.

First off, Dr. Dre grew up on Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, etc. etc. etc.  He knows all this crap.  Dr. Dre composes songs, true.  Most of his melodies are 4 seconds long, and his beats almost ALWAYS loop after 2 bars.  He does 2-4 bar compositions, then just plugs them together, over and over.  

If you knew anything about music, ANYTHING at all, you wouldn't have ever even spoken their names in the same sentence.  Dr. Dre's talent isn't his musical ability.  It's his ability to give the people what they want.  Lemme tell you a story.

Beethoven, everyone knows, had long gone deaf by the time he finished his career.  What they don't know is how he got his start.  As a child, his mother died early, and his father was an alcoholic.  Beethoven had his father retired, and supported his two brothers on his own musical compositions.  He wasn't famous at the time, at all... but still made money from music.  Of course, you'd like to believe that poor people didn't make money off music, but Beethoven himself started that way.  He was supported by the king, however, who knew his father.  Beethoven through his younger years largely survived off of teaching piano of all things.  Ask Dr. Dre if he ever had to pimp his piano skills to make money.  At the age of 30, he had already started going deaf, and retreated to his home in Vienna to cope with it.  He wrote  a series of letters to his brothers, and finally, after 2 years of almost complete deafness, told them he was going to "seize fate by the throat," ... he emerged basically as the greatest of all time, and he was completely deaf.  He composed by cutting the legs off of his piano, and laying on the floor, feeling the vibrations the piano made.  His "moonlight sonata" was inspired by his "Immortal Beloved" an unnamed woman he fell madly in love with, but never married.. it's probably the saddest song I've ever heard in my life.  His "Pathetique" is another one of the greatest songs ever written, he could totally create a mood with ONLY music, no words.  Dr. Dre has never in his best day created a story in my head with only music; DJ Quik did it 1nce with Rogers Groove.  

At 53 beethoven created his greatest masterpiece, his 9th Choral Symphony.  He added in words to finish it off, and had a choir march on stage to sing it.. even though he was deaf, he insisted on conducting the first presentation of it, to the COMMON PEOPLE, who were always invited and anxious to attend Beethoven's public concerts.  The organizers hid a second conducter behind Beethoven, and the orchestra was instructed to follow his lead, and not beethoven's.  After the end of the symphony, he was greeted with thunderous applause, and a standing ovation, Beethoven couldn't even hear the thundering crowd behind him, and was turned around by the first chair violinist, when he saw the crowd's reaction to his masterpiece he broke into tears on stage.  You never hear about beethoven's contemporaries because he DOMINATED the scene of that day with his musical ability, next to mozart, he's without a doubt the greatest composer ever, and not because a king said so, because the common people, who attended his concerts said so.  His melodies are so ingenious, 200 years later they haven't been forgotten.  Beethoven worked at his genius, he strived for perfection, and his rough drafts are covered in markings where he changed this sound, tweaked this, tweaked that.  He's considered revolutionary, and totally changed the music scene.  When Beethoven died, Lightning flashed, thunder rolled, he rose out of bed, Said "Friends, Applaud.  The Comedy is Over"... Clenched his fist towards the sky, and fell back into he bed dead.  That's a perfect testament to what his music was, Passionate, inspired, genius, furious.  

Mozart was a totally different story.  Where beethoven worked at his, Mozart was a phenom.   He came slightly before Beethoven, and Beethoven actually performed FOR Mozart as a child.  Mozart was writing minuets at 5, you and me have't written one yet.  He was writing full symphonies at 9; he was performing piano concerts at 6.  His compositions were totally finished in his head before he wrote them down, he could perform complete concertos with no sheet music.  It wasn't enough for him to be a piano virtuoso; he decided to learn Violin, and soon was a master at it, too.  He was working on a symphony when he died, and roughly sketched it out, it was a funeral song.  It's unfinished, but still thought of as one of the great requiem's written, LOL.  Dude was gangsta.

As you can see, both people got famous, touring, and performing for the people.  So your theory is wrong, and your negativity, and agenda against THE MAN just got another hole shot in it.  

You say the regular people were listening to other music, what are you talking about? What, you think they were bumpin' the real grimy-grimy in their Walkmans?  You think their homie Ignacious was waiting on his record deal?  THe people that WERE great, rose to the top! The way you got famous was public concerts, then, if you were good, the King would sign you to write music.  That's the reward, it's the same way it worked for Dr. Dre and DJ Quik.  There were no records, no radio stations, no music videos; all their was were public performances, and sheet music.  Beethoven, and Mozart, both got their starts, from their fathers touring them around, pimping their performances for cash.  They were 'from the streets' as you would say, and for you to insult them just shows that you know nothing about music outside of hiphop.  Hiphop is genius, but it's a different breed of genius.  A totally, totally different breed of genius.  I'm sure there were people that are unheard of around then, but beethoven and mozart are the wrong people to pick on.  That's just 2 out of dozens and dozens of crazy talented classical composers.  Each has a story, and most of them were poor at first, and rose out of their own destitute to become famous, just like today, it works the same way.  They didn't get famous because the king said so, they got famous because they were talented, and the people (who attended the performances) liked them.  

Peace~
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 26, 2002, 11:33:20 AM
^^

u havent said anythnig ther i can decline exept maby cutting the pianos... ive read that might be a rumor.. anyway... i belive that even though Mozart maby was a genious, we cant call him that since we dont know the skillz of the other composers during his era... ALOTTA composers had really greatly skillz, but only a few managed to play for the royalities (aint many roalities avaiable..) .. what made a composer a chance for the "deal" ?

1. High Quality Skillz
2. Contacts
3. Effort By The Parents...

thats means not only the best succeed to the hills... the may have been alot better composers than mozart... maby 60% of the composers had equal skillz as mozart.. if they did, we cant call mozart a genoius, cuz the majority had same skillz... jermaine dupre is on the top of the game, but not many people considers him as a top-notch rapper ...

all im sayingis that with 2days history knowledge, we cant determine if mozart acually was a genious or not... to be a good composer you gotta start at an early age... a huge majority of the probably around 400 composers known since day one did start their career when they were younger than 4-5 years ... and they all have very greatly skillz... but to call them all for genious, we gotta know witch skillz the other, unknown composers had, witch we currently dont know ...

again, like Einstein said: "Everything Is Realative"

if you find "bad", you also find "good"
if you find "wackness", you also find "skillz"
..
..

since we dont know where to place the unknown composers, we also dont know where to place mozart...
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Liger187 on April 26, 2002, 01:24:29 PM
First I wanna say great post Trauma, that really refreshed my memory about Mozart and Bethoven. As far as Dr. Dre goes, I think that he is the best producer of all time and he is a genious in his own right, but it is not fair to compare him to someone like Bethoven, because he is living in a different time and the type of music that he makes is not even close to as complicated as what the classical geniuses did.

What you all should do however is look at some of the composers of today. I mostly listen to Rap, but I also listen to composers like Uematsu and Mitsuda. I don't really follow other composers of today, but these two are amazing composers and they compose music for games.

Check out some of Uematsu's work here on Final Fantasy 6 http://www.gamingforce.com/audio/mp3/af/ff6gf.php

Also check out Mitsuda's work on Xenogears http://www.gamingforce.com/audio/mp3/sz/xenogears.php

Now these two great Japanese composers may not have the genius of Mozart, since they have the entire history of music to work from, but they make some amazing music and I promise that if you have any appreciation for good music you will not be dissapointed.
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Ant on April 26, 2002, 02:37:13 PM
are u really that stupid... I BO you sound like a moron quit it...


its not that hard to recognize that someone who could compose before they reached double digits was a genious..

fuckin for real seeing how people on here go out of their way to tear shit down is disgusting... look you're saying mozart isn't a genious because we dont know that much about the "other" composers.  well look jackass are you sayin that there were lots of composers running aroudn back then composing music at age 8? and in beethovens case with no hearing?  look man i played piano before and its not that easy to learn, i started when i was like 6 too and didnt get to far, there are still tons and tons of composers to this day too that you don't know about, do you know why? BECAUSE THEY ARENT AS GOOD AS MOZART.  so thats bullshit, just becauase you dont know about the 1000's of other classical composers that have existed in society doesnt mean they dont exist... the reason we know about a small few is because those small few were the BEST... just like most poeple dont know the name of EVERY single rap producer they only know the names of the best, DJ primeir, DRE

now look moron re read trauma's post he summed it up best... when i haven't listened to classical music in a long time but did frequently when i was younger, mostly bach, beethoven, mozart, tachiovsky (spelled wrong im sure) among others but like i said its been awhile... either way u sound like a retard...
go read a biography of mozart, and compare it to the life story of dr dre, or dj quik... its a whole lot more amazing garanteed... and to this DAY millions of people still enough the music of classical composers... 300 years from now who is gonna be bumping NWA? lol come on give me a break i luv hip hop but u all are jackasses... u should get banned and required to read a book on these people because u get let back on the site for ur repeated ingnorance.



Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 26, 2002, 03:07:43 PM
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are u really that stupid... I BO you sound like a moron quit it...


its not that hard to recognize that someone who could compose before they reached double digits was a genious..

fuckin for real seeing how people on here go out of their way to tear shit down is disgusting... look you're saying mozart isn't a genious because we dont know that much about the "other" composers.  well look jackass are you sayin that there were lots of composers running aroudn back then composing music at age 8? and in beethovens case with no hearing?  look man i played piano before and its not that easy to learn, i started when i was like 6 too and didnt get to far, there are still tons and tons of composers to this day too that you don't know about, do you know why? BECAUSE THEY ARENT AS GOOD AS MOZART.  so thats bullshit, just becauase you dont know about the 1000's of other classical composers that have existed in society doesnt mean they dont exist... the reason we know about a small few is because those small few were the BEST... just like most poeple dont know the name of EVERY single rap producer they only know the names of the best, DJ primeir, DRE

now look moron re read trauma's post he summed it up best... when i haven't listened to classical music in a long time but did frequently when i was younger, mostly bach, beethoven, mozart, tachiovsky (spelled wrong im sure) among others but like i said its been awhile... either way u sound like a retard...
go read a biography of mozart, and compare it to the life story of dr dre, or dj quik... its a whole lot more amazing garanteed... and to this DAY millions of people still enough the music of classical composers... 300 years from now who is gonna be bumping NWA? lol come on give me a break i luv hip hop but u all are jackasses... u should get banned and required to read a book on these people because u get let back on the site for ur repeated ingnorance.


1. do not call me moron, idiot, faggot or anything similar again

2. i never said dre's level is similar to mozart, infinite said that, take a good look at the post that ive writte before blaming me for something

3. most of the composers started at younger age, like i early stated:
Haydn: 8 years
Schubert: 4 years
Bach 6-7 years
Vivaldi <8 years
Beethoven .(dont remember.. but very young)

4. Apparently you dont understand what i mean with "everything is relative" ... cuz if you did, you wouldnt argue against me.... why dont you go to your local library and pick a book.

5.
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look you're saying mozart isn't a genious because we dont know that much about the "other" composers

^^ dont be frontin.. i never said that... u need to check them stats .. i said that we couldnt claim thats he was a genious becuz of the fact that we dont know on witch level the other composers were in.. BUT he probably was a genius... dont filtrate the word you didnt liked to form diffrent sentences...

6. composing was mozarts fulltime job, it was his 24/7 already at the age of 5... you started when you were six?? .. if you kept playing piano, kept pushing forward, 8 hours / day, 7 days /week, im pretty sure your skillz would be really dope....but i might be wrong ::)

7. Screw all that NWA and Dre, and DJ Quik talk.. i didnt even meition them..

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i dont know who you are, and i dont care.. but i dont want you to have that disrespecting attitude against me, u wanna discuss, im over here, u want beef, then im outta here...



Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 26, 2002, 03:10:18 PM
what yall must understand is that im ot saying that the composers didnt have any skillz or something.. im just saying that yall are quikk to throw that genius status over them...

tell me .. whats the definition of "Genius" ??
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Ro J. Simpson on April 26, 2002, 04:03:10 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

INFINITE????????
A TUPAC RELIGION???.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.....U FUCKING IDIOT...HE'S WACK NE WAY...I DONT RATE HIM..BUT LET HIS SOUL REST IN PIECE AND GET OFF HIS NUTZ!!!!

peash!
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: MidnightPills on April 26, 2002, 04:28:25 PM
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Did you know Ludwig van Beethoven was deaf for the last part of his life? He still composed without ANY hearing. That's genius to me! There are 7 piano sonatas that he composed while he was deaf, some of them are thought to be his GREATEST shit...

It was weak that they had to make music for the king, but thats how shit was back then. Artists had to do shit for the king as well... They were compsoing for their own enjoyment, but they did it in the name of the king.

To say they arent shit isnt fair. Just wait till Dj quiks new CD comes out, check out Chopin's groove to see how these guys can play a big part in Rap music today!

-Engelwood


Man... you know what's up!!! I love Mozart.... He is the Hommie... he Compose Music since he was 3 years old... his father was a famious Austrian Musician... Mozart was actually mentally unstabble and was still able to come up with the best preforming Arts preformances.... He was feared his father even his father passed aways.. and one person who was so envious of him a had alot to with his mental state and death even... Drove him nuts.. be dressing as his father when mozart least thought he would see the images... so he thought.. thats what they were... the man who also was the last one to see mozart alive... spent the last hours of mozart live with him... trying to write a musicial.. with the plans of stealing it and in hopes that Mozart would pass away.. from tiredness...
Man if you hear... classicial music.. with your eyes close.. and just listen to all the sounds.. it is amazing how one person can just think of putting all the right sound and insterments... together to make a unique sound....

and who ever said classicial music was for rich people anyways... mozart preformed for the poor people as well... He was well known at his time.. but famious today... i love classicial music.. bach and valvdi are good as well..

so don't hate on classical music man.. it is great stuff..

And Infiniate..... I notice that you are pestamistic.. about alot of things... if it don't take to your likely.. you don't like.. it or.. put it down.. i just thought you were really religious.. and shit.. but then i realized.. that you were just into what you believe.. and say it.. as if we should all believe it... man.. i think you are some what flaky
~1~
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Tanjential on April 26, 2002, 07:28:58 PM
i'm with jake and trauma.peace-Tanjint
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: DreSnoop00 on April 26, 2002, 09:25:08 PM
yeah jake is on point
like u said infinite. there were like 7 elite compsoes back then and now like hundreds and hundreds or artists to choose from, the thing is people like Beethoven are superior to ALL of them, more of a genius then all of them, of course give respect to some artist because soem today do have raw talent like no other, BUT its not like Beethoven, its not the truly composed, not sampled, but originally made music, the classic stuff, why do you think they have that music in classes and not hip hop? i love hip hop and always have but gotta give respect to some of the geniuses who set many others on the right foot
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 27, 2002, 12:46:29 AM
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like u said infinite. there were like 7 elite compsoes back then and now like hundreds and hundreds or artists to choose from, the thing is people like Beethoven are superior to ALL of them, more of a genius then all of them


thats something that we are assuming...we dont know fo sure..

are theese people genius:

Aritsoteles
Newton
Einstein
Columbus
Caesar

somebody plz answer this
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Trauma-san on April 27, 2002, 04:38:11 AM
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are theese people genius:

Aritsoteles
Newton
Einstein
Columbus
Caesar

somebody plz answer this


Yes, and not because they're compared to anybody.  Because they were originals, one of a kind, and did things nobody else could have done.  Except for maybe Columbus, I wouldn't really call him a genius.  
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Maestro Minded on April 27, 2002, 05:37:31 AM
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Yes, and not because they're compared to anybody.  Because they were originals, one of a kind, and did things nobody else could have done.  Except for maybe Columbus, I wouldn't really call him a genius.  

columbus was a genious, cuz while everybody else said that the world is flat columbus was one of the only scientists that figured that the world gotta be a globe.... his mind were supperior ... therefore he was a genuis...

the diffrence between a genius and a extremly talented person is that a genius dont have to learn stuff the same way.. he already have it in him ... let him read a math-book once, and he'll understand everything, even the things professors dont get ... mozart started when he was four and worked his way through to get his extremly good skillz ..

have anybody seen "Good Will Hunting" .. that dude was a genius .... he didnt learned what he knew.. he just knew it...

Caesar was no genius, people learned his how to be a dominator, how to act when its war, how to do everything right, same with hannibal, same with other good emperrors...

yall acting like if im saying that Mozart wasnt good or something... but you're missunderstanding me ... i just think that you dont really know the definition of "genius" ... dre is no genius, he's not even near genuis.. not even 5% genius... jemmy hendrix is no genius... maby 10% genuis ... genius is a word thats not being used correctly..

if you give a 16 years old boy / girl a piano for for the first time, you give him 2-3 lessons, and he understand everything and starts play like if he've played for 5 years, he's a genius, cuz he didnt lean that.. he just knew ... open the encyclopedia and look at the word genius ....

what im saying isnt an opinion.. it is the fact... check the encyclopedia....
Title: Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
Post by: Trauma-san on April 27, 2002, 07:51:19 AM
Hendrix was definately a genius, because nobody can play guitar like that.  Also, he invented things on guitar that I've only heard him and eric clapton do.  He definatey was genius, because he had a god-given talent to play guitar... Hendrix Played left handed, and while in the army, he'd beg bands to let him play guitar at concerts.  They'd tell him "O.k., but you can't restring it, you gotta play my righty"... so, he'd turn the guitar upside down, and play it lefthanded, backwards.... better than they could playing it properly. That's genius to me.  If you've ever heard "Machine Gun" by him, you'd think that's genius, too... Plus, "Voodoo Chile" his most famous song, was a jam he thought up spontaneously because a film crew needed film of him recording, and he'd already finished the album.  

Mozart could play concerts at 5, that's genius, he didn't practice to get like that, he just was.