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Eminem To Be On The Next Biggie CD
The musician's career continues with a new duets album, featuring a cut with reggae legend Bob Marley. In life, the two never met.
"Hold Ya Head," a new song pairing Notorious B.I.G., who was shot to death in 1997, and reggae icon Bob Marley, who died in 1981, is the latest beyond-the-grave collaboration to push the limits of musical repurposing. The track electronically unites two performers who never so much as shook hands during their lifetimes, much less spent time together in a recording studio.
"It used to be that when an artist died, his career was over," said Nelson George, author of "Hip Hop America." "That's not true anymore."
Rap duet —An article in Monday's Calendar about rap duets said that the Tupac Shakur-Notorious B.I.G. duet "Runnin' (Dyin' to Live)" was on the album "Loyal to the Game." It was on the album "Tupac Resurrection."
Released last week on the AOL Music site and as a promo track for radio DJs, "Hold Ya Head" will be included on "The Notorious B.I.G. Duets: The Final Chapter," a new collection overseen by the rapper's friend, mentor and now tireless B.I.G. proselytizer, Sean "Diddy" Combs.
"To me, the record is eerie and ironic and really moving," Combs said by phone from New York, where he was laying down some rap vocals for "Duets." The album features several unreleased Biggie recordings and pairs him with Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Mary J. Blige, Nas and Ludacris, among others.
In "Hold Ya Head," as in several of his most famous songs, B.I.G. contemplates suicide as well as his own demise by unnatural causes. The single's chorus — the "duet" aspect — is a repurposed sample from Marley's 1976 protest song, "Johnny Was": "Woman hold her head and cry/ 'Cause her son had been shot down in the street and died."
For most rap fans, it will be impossible to ignore the real-life parallel: Biggie (real name: Christopher Wallace) was in a car parked outside of Los Angeles' Petersen Automotive Museum in 1997 when he was slain.
Combs isn't expecting rap fans to be shocked at this beyond-the-grave collaboration.
"It's not like it's Bob Marley and Britney Spears, you know what I'm saying?" Combs said. "It's Bob Marley and Biggie! You could picture them in the studio smoking together."
But not everyone is so sure.
Roger Steffens, a reggae authority and coauthor of "Bob Marley and the Wailers: The Definitive Discography," doubts that the collaboration would have sat well with the Jamaican singer.
"Bob reflected the Rastafarian beliefs that you don't harm anyone," he said. "I don't know that Biggie, who really had a reputation as a thug, would be the kind of person Bob would have wanted to be associated with."
(For his part, Combs said he cleared the licensing agreement for the "Johnny Was" sample with the singer's brothers, Stephen and Damian Marley, and received the family's explicit approval.)
"Unforgettable," Natalie Cole's 1991 duet with her late father, Nat King Cole, is recognized as the first posthumous pop collaboration to grab mainstream attention; it earned a Grammy nomination and sold more than 10 million copies. But "Hold Ya Head's" more direct antecedent is the 2004 Tupac Shakur-Notorious B.I.G. duet single, "Runnin' (Dyin' to Live)" — the first major hip-hop remix sonically juxtaposing two deceased artists into a single song. The album it appears on, Shakur's "Loyal to the Game," debuted at No. 1 on Billboard's Top 200 Albums chart last year.
"They put Biggie and Tupac together because they're great artists — they didn't do it because they're deceased artists," Combs observed. "When it's two people who aren't here, you can't force the vocals to have chemistry. It has to mesh together."
"Hip Hop" author George says Combs' efforts need to be considered within the larger context of hip-hop, which has a rich history of appropriating sounds, manipulating voices and using technology in unexpected ways.
"Hip-hop has always been a postmodern art form, a collage music," George said. "With hip-hop — as with modern technology — the past is not the past anymore. So nobody who's ever made a record is immune to being sampled in a hip-hop record."
Shakur, who was killed in Las Vegas in 1996, has sold more records from the grave than in life. His posthumous albums, made up of tracks from a seemingly bottomless trove of unreleased material, have sold more than 8 million copies in the U.S., according to Nielsen SoundScan.
Combs admits to modeling the "B.I.G. Duets" album on Frank Sinatra's "Duets 2," which electronically paired the deceased crooner with various artists. But the recent commercial successes of two posthumous B.I.G. tracks motivated him to get the project off the ground.
"When 50 Cent first came out, he took Biggie's vocals [on 'The Realest N---as'] and then Ashanti took Biggie's vocals [on 'Unfoolish'] and to see the success they had?" Combs said. "Those were both [from] No. 1 records."
According to Combs, "Duets" will expend the last of Wallace's previously unheard material. "That," he said, "is why it's called 'The Final Chapter.' "
As George sees it, these hip-hop duets from beyond the grave should be recognized for what they really are: a sincere form of admiration.
"Hip-hop culture is very adventurous and unsentimental," he said. "We revere our artists. We treat the tracks as sacrosanct. And that spills over to where we want to keep creating so we can keep the artists in the mix."
http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl...op-blurb-right
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of course he is...
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of course he is...
this guy is such a fag, acting like he fuckin knew these dead guys or somethin
why are they even making another CD? this is pathetic, and I'm not even a Biggie fan, let his ass rest in peace
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wont be as good as the dead wrong remix
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^ def not, that was a sickening verse.
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of course he is...
this guy is such a fag, acting like he fuckin knew these dead guys or somethin
why are they even making another CD? this is pathetic, and I'm not even a Biggie fan, let his ass rest in peace
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someone needs to ask that dick Eminem (since he's such an asshole anyways)
if you died, would you want some stranger who you didn't know to go in your vault, take out songs and revise, mix, and fuck with your vocals and add his own voice to your track and have tons of people make money off something you made yet your dead and there's nothing to be done about it?
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Great another CD he's gonna ruin ::)
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Great another CD he's gonna ruin ::)
fuck that, another rappers good name he's gonna ruin
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For what it's worth, I thought Eminems work on Tupac's Resurrection was pretty dope.
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dayum this news sucks.. i used to be a big fan of bigg's. and you know em'z not goin to do nething good with this project, his just cashing in on his name and trying to get the non-teeney boopers back in his music... >:(
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again i dont know if this is good or bad news. em has fallen off real crucial like as of late, but his production has gotten better. hopefully this track will be like "Drama Setter", where he laces a nice beat and comes with a coo hook.
so was that line-up we read about a year ago false? i remember it said that DJ Quik would be producing "Going Back to Cali" featuring Snoop
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i think peope should shut up and wait to hear the finished product before mouthing off about ruining projects...im just looking forward to hearing some unreleased Biggie...
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i think peope should shut up and wait to hear the finished product before mouthing off about ruining projects...im just looking forward to hearing some unreleased Biggie...
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Eminem To Be On The Next Biggie CD
The musician's career continues with a new duets album, featuring a cut with reggae legend Bob Marley. In life, the two never met.
"Hold Ya Head," a new song pairing Notorious B.I.G., who was shot to death in 1997, and reggae icon Bob Marley, who died in 1981, is the latest beyond-the-grave collaboration to push the limits of musical repurposing. The track electronically unites two performers who never so much as shook hands during their lifetimes, much less spent time together in a recording studio.
"It used to be that when an artist died, his career was over," said Nelson George, author of "Hip Hop America." "That's not true anymore."
Rap duet —An article in Monday's Calendar about rap duets said that the Tupac Shakur-Notorious B.I.G. duet "Runnin' (Dyin' to Live)" was on the album "Loyal to the Game." It was on the album "Tupac Resurrection."
Released last week on the AOL Music site and as a promo track for radio DJs, "Hold Ya Head" will be included on "The Notorious B.I.G. Duets: The Final Chapter," a new collection overseen by the rapper's friend, mentor and now tireless B.I.G. proselytizer, Sean "Diddy" Combs.
"To me, the record is eerie and ironic and really moving," Combs said by phone from New York, where he was laying down some rap vocals for "Duets." The album features several unreleased Biggie recordings and pairs him with Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Mary J. Blige, Nas and Ludacris, among others.
In "Hold Ya Head," as in several of his most famous songs, B.I.G. contemplates suicide as well as his own demise by unnatural causes. The single's chorus — the "duet" aspect — is a repurposed sample from Marley's 1976 protest song, "Johnny Was": "Woman hold her head and cry/ 'Cause her son had been shot down in the street and died."
For most rap fans, it will be impossible to ignore the real-life parallel: Biggie (real name: Christopher Wallace) was in a car parked outside of Los Angeles' Petersen Automotive Museum in 1997 when he was slain.
Combs isn't expecting rap fans to be shocked at this beyond-the-grave collaboration.
"It's not like it's Bob Marley and Britney Spears, you know what I'm saying?" Combs said. "It's Bob Marley and Biggie! You could picture them in the studio smoking together."
But not everyone is so sure.
Roger Steffens, a reggae authority and coauthor of "Bob Marley and the Wailers: The Definitive Discography," doubts that the collaboration would have sat well with the Jamaican singer.
"Bob reflected the Rastafarian beliefs that you don't harm anyone," he said. "I don't know that Biggie, who really had a reputation as a thug, would be the kind of person Bob would have wanted to be associated with."
(For his part, Combs said he cleared the licensing agreement for the "Johnny Was" sample with the singer's brothers, Stephen and Damian Marley, and received the family's explicit approval.)
"Unforgettable," Natalie Cole's 1991 duet with her late father, Nat King Cole, is recognized as the first posthumous pop collaboration to grab mainstream attention; it earned a Grammy nomination and sold more than 10 million copies. But "Hold Ya Head's" more direct antecedent is the 2004 Tupac Shakur-Notorious B.I.G. duet single, "Runnin' (Dyin' to Live)" — the first major hip-hop remix sonically juxtaposing two deceased artists into a single song. The album it appears on, Shakur's "Loyal to the Game," debuted at No. 1 on Billboard's Top 200 Albums chart last year.
"They put Biggie and Tupac together because they're great artists — they didn't do it because they're deceased artists," Combs observed. "When it's two people who aren't here, you can't force the vocals to have chemistry. It has to mesh together."
"Hip Hop" author George says Combs' efforts need to be considered within the larger context of hip-hop, which has a rich history of appropriating sounds, manipulating voices and using technology in unexpected ways.
"Hip-hop has always been a postmodern art form, a collage music," George said. "With hip-hop — as with modern technology — the past is not the past anymore. So nobody who's ever made a record is immune to being sampled in a hip-hop record."
Shakur, who was killed in Las Vegas in 1996, has sold more records from the grave than in life. His posthumous albums, made up of tracks from a seemingly bottomless trove of unreleased material, have sold more than 8 million copies in the U.S., according to Nielsen SoundScan.
Combs admits to modeling the "B.I.G. Duets" album on Frank Sinatra's "Duets 2," which electronically paired the deceased crooner with various artists. But the recent commercial successes of two posthumous B.I.G. tracks motivated him to get the project off the ground.
"When 50 Cent first came out, he took Biggie's vocals [on 'The Realest N---as'] and then Ashanti took Biggie's vocals [on 'Unfoolish'] and to see the success they had?" Combs said. "Those were both [from] No. 1 records."
According to Combs, "Duets" will expend the last of Wallace's previously unheard material. "That," he said, "is why it's called 'The Final Chapter.' "
As George sees it, these hip-hop duets from beyond the grave should be recognized for what they really are: a sincere form of admiration.
"Hip-hop culture is very adventurous and unsentimental," he said. "We revere our artists. We treat the tracks as sacrosanct. And that spills over to where we want to keep creating so we can keep the artists in the mix."
http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl...op-blurb-right
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Em loves pissing over legends music, :monkey_piss: dont he.
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Eminem's probably on one track... you're all acting like it's the end of the world...
Don't you think Puffy had a little part in this?
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i think peope should shut up and wait to hear the finished product before mouthing off about ruining projects...im just looking forward to hearing some unreleased Biggie...
Exactly! People on here actin' like Em's doing the whole album or something. It's only one song and if I remember right Em tore it up on the Dead Wrong joint on Big's other posthumous album. Sorry, but I'm anticipating this shit.
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For what it's worth, I thought Eminems work on Tupac's Resurrection was pretty dope.
I agree with this guy..and Leggy Hendrix.
All you other guys are pretty pathetic, you hear eminem's name and already think its gonna be trash, yea eminem has had some bad shit, but other then that he is pretty fuckin tight. And who the fuck cares if they are making fake 2pac or BIG..its just letting us hear them on some new verses..I've heard fuckin 2pac's shit since I was 7 years old and I have never gotten old of his tracks so how the fuck are you gonna say that shit he didnt even drop is gonna ruin his name OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW SOME1 ELSE MADE IT DIPSHIT..and with the new shit eminem produced that doesent change what he really made..we should be grateful and stoked that we have the technology to put these mother fuckers voices again, wether its a weak track or not..who cares.
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dead wrong was some tight shit
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lol yall say it like we have no reason to have mixed feelings about this. you hear how bad he ruined "Loyal 2 the Game"?! maybe people just dont want a repeat of that
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^ def not, that was a sickening verse.
Yes. One of the wildest verses I've ever heard from anybody, I don't even know if Em's still got it like that.
What people got to understand about this shit is, Biggie is dead, he never intended any of this to happen, so you just need to look at it as what it is. It's not even Biggie's voice, it's a bunch of 0's and 1's that sound like Biggie's voice. It's just a fucking digital file, and Eminem and whoever owns Bob Marley's music are just manipulating some old noises around and making new ones out of it. This has absolutely nothing to do with the Biggie Smalls we all knew and loved, this isn't even something in his catalog, no matter how they label it. This is nothing more than some perverted mixtape or something.
What i'm trying to get at is, it really has nothing at all to do with Biggie, so there's no reason to think it's tarnishing his image or whatever. Everybody knows that it's just some experimental shit, no harm done.
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^^^
binary nigggaa!
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it doesn't matter if he's doing 1 track, it's the fact that some creeps are putting out a dead guys music for money in their pockets
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Great another CD he's gonna ruin ::)
fuck that, another rappers good name he's gonna ruin
Why can't he just fuck up is own career?
Em is improving in his production, but practicing it on the 2 legends of rap ain't right.
^ def not, that was a sickening verse.
Yes.? One of the wildest verses I've ever heard from anybody, I don't even know if Em's still got it like that.?
What people got to understand about this shit is, Biggie is dead, he never intended any of this to happen, so you just need to look at it as what it is.? It's not even Biggie's voice, it's a bunch of 0's and 1's that sound like Biggie's voice.? It's just a fucking digital file, and Eminem and whoever owns Bob Marley's music are just manipulating some old noises around and making new ones out of it.? This has absolutely nothing to do with the Biggie Smalls we all knew and loved, this isn't even something in his catalog, no matter how they label it.? This is nothing more than some perverted mixtape or something.
What i'm trying to get at is, it really has nothing at all to do with Biggie, so there's no reason to think it's tarnishing his image or whatever. Everybody knows that it's just some experimental shit, no harm done.
I guess. Nobody will really think of this as a real "biggie album" or anything, but none the less
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if you dont like it dont buy/download it. simple as that.
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if you dont like it dont buy/download it. simple as that.
^^^ thanks, I was uncertain as to what I was gonna do about this situation ::)
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you guys all make it sound like eminems the bad guy. People approach him about this, moneys not on his mind for this. Wouldnt a basketball player want to shoot around with Micheal Jordan in the gym if you had the chance, well this is the closest he can get to that. These are his idols, this is a tribute to them and you cant say they wouldnt allow it, would want nothin to do with em, ect ect, cause they arent hear. Em is just doin his thing, hes not tarnishing anyones name or some bull shit, hes just doin his thing. If you dont like it, dont listen, half pac verses are rereleased anyway, QUIT BITCHIN!
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People approach him about this, moneys not on his mind for this.
ya ok ::)
you cant say they wouldnt allow it, would want nothin to do with em, ect ect, cause they arent hear.
exactly, they aren't here....... so leave em alone and don't touch their shit because I'm pretty sure they wanted to do it themselves and not have strangers make money off their name
this doesn't just apply to Eminem, it's everybody..... Death Row, etc.
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of course he is...
this guy is such a fag, acting like he fuckin knew these dead guys or somethin
why are they even making another CD? this is pathetic, and I'm not even a Biggie fan, let his ass rest in peace
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What a bunch of hating ass faggots.
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^^^ :laugh:
we have good reason to hate....... this shit is disrespectful
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if you dont like it dont buy/download it. simple as that.
^^^ thanks, I was uncertain as to what I was gonna do about this situation ::)
LMAO
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What a bunch of hating ass faggots.
Catching Feeling's aren't we ? :loser:
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i honestly dont understand how its disrespectful. I mean i know what all you guys are sayin, you dont feel the shit em puts out like you felt the old pac stuff so you feel like its ruining it which makes it seem disrespectful. plus you feel like they are just using these rap legends who should rest in peace to make money. i understand that argument, but guys like eminem, i just dont see as being disrespectful. and im not taking ems side because im a fan, im tryin to take a subjective view. i feel like the last thing em needs is more money, when ever i hear about the new pac shit with em producing or spittin a verse, i know from my view its cool to hear two of my favorite artists on the same song. i always felt like thats what it was about, that and just trying to do right on pacs part from ems point of view. maybe it starts off with money but i never felt like it was ems motive. its all in the eye of the beholder cause i dont feel like its disrespect, im willing to bet that pacs mom isnt using her dead son to make money, and i doubt em sees it as disrespect.
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The album features several unreleased Biggie recordings and pairs him with Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Mary J. Blige, Nas and Ludacris, among others.
there are gonna be other people on the album too. Em is just doin a guest verse.. just like on Born Again, he's not producin on it.. Snoop, Mary J, Nas & Luda will ruin the album too
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^^^^
this doesn't just apply to Eminem, it's everybody.....
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em sucks dick...fuck that racist fag. 8)
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The album features several unreleased Biggie recordings and pairs him with Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Mary J. Blige, Nas and Ludacris, among others.
there are gonna be other people on the album too. Em is just doin a guest verse.. just like on Born Again, he's not producin on it.. Snoop, Mary J, Nas & Luda will ruin the album too
:o SNOOP DOGG :o Biggie is rolling in his grave right now