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Title: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: The Watcher on November 07, 2005, 05:49:56 AM
http://rapidshare.de/files/7303646/Eminem_-_When_I_m_Gone__Radio_Rip__-_Korps_.mp3.html

new track, 1 of 3 on the greatest hits album he's releasing .. this is a radio rip for now though
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: The Watcher on November 07, 2005, 06:06:23 AM
another some about hailie/kim etc.. sort of like mockingbird, save your bandwidth
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: 7even on November 07, 2005, 06:23:39 AM
save your bandwidth
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Post by: No Compute on November 07, 2005, 06:37:08 AM
It's alright, nothing great though.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Twentytwofifty on November 07, 2005, 07:07:12 AM
It's not bad.  The concept could have been executed a little better.
I want to hear a better version to see how good the production is.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Meho on November 07, 2005, 07:18:22 AM
another some about hailie/kim etc.. sort of like mockingbird, save your bandwidth
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Rebel on November 07, 2005, 08:07:32 AM
A decent track (especially for a lead single). The song is about his inner-struggle to decide whether or not to retire as an MC.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: 7even on November 07, 2005, 08:36:17 AM
if there is no passion involved, and you don't feel like expressing yourself in a witty way and reaching the people through your songs, it's a no-brainer to me. just retire, period.
you clearly see he lost all his anger and passion he was loaded with a couple years back. his verses no longer aim at perfection, but more at getting the minutes filled. the fire is out and if he can't gain the fuel to fire it up again, there's no better option than retirement. sad as it is.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: hempside on November 07, 2005, 12:22:54 PM
When he wants some help for his hanging.let me know......................fuck that racist fag..he gets no respect.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Shallow on November 07, 2005, 12:40:06 PM
another some about hailie/kim etc.. sort of like mockingbird, save your bandwidth


I thought Mockingbird was one of the only decent things on Encore.


Speaking of Encore, what did the Source give it? They finally had an excuse to give Em a shit rating, I'm sure they did.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: KURUPTION-81 on November 07, 2005, 12:44:56 PM
if there is no passion involved, and you don't feel like expressing yourself in a witty way and reaching the people through your songs, it's a no-brainer to me. just retire, period.
you clearly see he lost all his anger and passion he was loaded with a couple years back. his verses no longer aim at perfection, but more at getting the minutes filled. the fire is out and if he can't gain the fuel to fire it up again, there's no better option than retirement. sad as it is.

i was listening to some of devils night earlier and thinking the exact same.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Shallow on November 07, 2005, 12:55:51 PM
His problem is he tries to rap too melodically too often. It was amazing on The Way I Am and still great on Em Show but he's run out of melodies. It's just not fresh, (or even cohesive), any more. Someone needs to tell him he's not one of the great melody writers of all time like Elton John.

Fucking guy just needs to start rapping again. I don't care if he's rhyming about a homosexual encounter in graphic detail so long as he's spitting like he spits naturally.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: wcsoldier on November 07, 2005, 01:00:50 PM
His problem is he tries to rap too melodically too often. It was amazing on The Way I Am and still great on Em Show but he's run out of melodies. It's just not fresh, (or even cohesive), any more. Someone needs to tell him he's not one of the great melody writers of all time like Elton John.

Fucking guy just needs to start rapping again. I don't care if he's rhyming about a homosexual encounter in graphic detail so long as he's spitting like he spits naturally.
yep his flow is horrible since the 2nd D12 lp
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: The Watcher on November 07, 2005, 03:00:16 PM
http://rapidshare.de/files/7315459/Eminem_-_When_I_m_Gone__Clean_CDQ_.mp3.html

cdq radio version
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: AlerG on November 07, 2005, 03:55:03 PM
It's a bit better than most of TES, but still only mildly impressive  :-\ he's done these kinds of tracks many times before and the beat is only ok at best, heard it twice on the radio today and thought it was meh, peace.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Shallow on November 07, 2005, 04:06:25 PM
It's a bit better than most of TES, but still only mildly impressive  :-\ he's done these kinds of tracks many times before and the beat is only ok at best, heard it twice on the radio today and thought it was meh, peace.


You mean Encore right? No way is this better than Cleaning Out My Closet, Soldier, Say Goodbye to Hollywood, Sing For the Moment, 'Till I Collapse, White America, or even Square Dance.
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Post by: EAsideST on November 07, 2005, 06:02:23 PM
Awesome!!! A new song about halie his ex wife the weight of stardom the pains of fatherhood and how difficult everything is, YES! How does Em stay so creative? I hope this track is produced by him, oowww maybe it will have loud thumping drums and a simple string loop! Man this just made my week
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: 2nd ROund KnockOuT on November 07, 2005, 07:35:45 PM
yea eminem stopped doing drugs that way his raops are so uninteresting and makes sense
u can tell we was onsomething when he recorded MMLP
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 07, 2005, 07:53:21 PM
It's a good song, it's just that this song has been remixed a billion times. Same lyrics, different beat.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: 'DsR' on November 07, 2005, 08:23:03 PM
not impressive.. em fell off.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: 7even on November 08, 2005, 06:54:22 AM
Awesome!!! A new song about halie his ex wife the weight of stardom the pains of fatherhood and how difficult everything is, YES!

LOL
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: mauzip on November 08, 2005, 08:51:04 AM
It's a good song, it's just that this song has been remixed a billion times. Same lyrics, different beat.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Elevz on November 08, 2005, 09:16:35 AM
I somewhat like the lyrics, it's a good story... The vocals sound rushed tho, and the beat is a thirteen in a dozen type Eminem beat... This could have been so much more. Props for the hookups though.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Ðøšïå on November 08, 2005, 10:20:03 AM
i like this track
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: ac1386 on November 08, 2005, 12:11:56 PM
The fact that he stay's inside his safe little box of kim, haile and the pressure of fame is expected of eminem, aside from a few tracks on sslp thats all hes been. Besdies that this song isnt bad at all. Usual em beat, but it has a good feel. And his lyrics arent incredible but it reminds me of an emotional tupac song in that sense, and the passion is definetly there. Even with all the faults ide rather listen to this then most of the shit thats out now adays, i think the only rapper who brings emotion as well as em is tupac who is unmatched in that catagory.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: -Euthanasia- on November 08, 2005, 12:36:52 PM
just coz he talks about similar subjects repeatedly doesnt automatically make it bad. your favorite thug rapper does the same, only he recycles the same topics as the millions of other thug rappers. at least these topics are eminems own, and nobody has ever rapped about them before, ever. except for that one where slim thug had a song about missing hailie, that was kinda weird.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Elevz on November 08, 2005, 01:33:28 PM
just coz he talks about similar subjects repeatedly doesnt automatically make it bad. your favorite thug rapper does the same, only he recycles the same topics as the millions of other thug rappers. at least these topics are eminems own, and nobody has ever rapped about them before, ever. except for that one where slim thug had a song about missing hailie, that was kinda weird.

Benzino rapped about Kim and Hailie  ;D
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Larrabee on November 08, 2005, 01:59:44 PM
I'm not feeling this too much, but it's decent. It sounds like an angrier version of Mockingbird. Even uses the same snare. The problem is that this sounds like an Encore leftover in a way...nothing fresh.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: The Watcher on November 08, 2005, 04:03:59 PM
http://rapidshare.de/files/7329637/Eminem-When_Im_Gone__www.rapbasement.com_-dirty-cdq.mp3.html

CDQ/Dirty version
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Ðøšïå on November 08, 2005, 04:45:18 PM
ive been listening to this alot but sum1 leaked koopa's sound of revenge (clean) so fuck this shit! em has to step his game up.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: NP_POISON_247365 on November 08, 2005, 11:50:35 PM
just coz he talks about similar subjects repeatedly doesnt automatically make it bad. your favorite thug rapper does the same, only he recycles the same topics as the millions of other thug rappers. at least these topics are eminems own, and nobody has ever rapped about them before, ever. except for that one where slim thug had a song about missing hailie, that was kinda weird.

Just what I was thinkn..I am sorry but u can't really find many good rappers nowadays that ain't saying/rappin' about the same shit pretty much..tight track I like it. I havent bought a CD in over 3 years and I got piles of songs/burn'd cds..his greatest hits CD will be 1st cd ill buy in awhile..
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: SlickPants on November 09, 2005, 01:27:46 AM
i downloaded this bullshit and deleted it, eminem used to be real good, great flow and original concepts and ways of getting information across.  i feel like i've heard this song 992384927812394 times before.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: 7even on November 09, 2005, 07:35:13 AM
I typed a part of the last verse up, and I'm a little offended by the content, it's like he's claimin' that to a certain extent his fans ruin his life lol

But baby wait - it's too late dad, you made your choice
now go out there and show 'em that you love 'em more than us,
that's what they want, they want you Marshall, they keep
screaming your name, it's no wonder you can't go to sleep
just take another *sleeping pill*, yeah I bet you will
you rap about it, yeah word, kee-keep it real
I hear applause, all this time I couldn't see
how could it be, that the curtain is closing on me?
I turn around, find a *gun* on the ground
*cock it*, put it to my brain, sceam "die Shady!"
and *pull it*, the sky darkens, my life flashes


after this verse Im 100% sure. he hates rapping.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: EAsideST on November 09, 2005, 08:39:12 AM
I typed a part of the last verse up, and I'm a little offended by the content, it's like he's claimin' that to a certain extent his fans ruin his life lol

But baby wait - it's too late dad, you made your choice
now go out there and show 'em that you love 'em more than us,
that's what they want, they want you Marshall, they keep
screaming your name, it's no wonder you can't go to sleep
just take another *sleeping pill*, yeah I bet you will
you rap about it, yeah word, kee-keep it real
I hear applause, all this time I couldn't see
how could it be, that the curtain is closing on me?
I turn around, find a *gun* on the ground
*cock it*, put it to my brain, sceam "die Shady!"
and *pull it*, the sky darkens, my life flashes


after this verse Im 100% sure. he hates rapping.


I'm sorry but what a little faggot eminem is, really. Em was the shit until he started to think he was some kind of thug or gangster or whatever. When he made that "go to sleep" track where he was talking about killing and shooting his gun, that was the turn for the worst. I remember playing that track and even the girls would be like "change this it sucks" and they were right, no one was buying Em's new soldier façade. Then when 50 signed everything was about beef and conflict and wack overly heavy depressing recycled shit. The reason eminem wants to retire is because his album sales are slipping, his shady clothing line is worthless and hes loosing fans. What a fucking bitch blaming his problems on stardom and the fans, fucking faggot is richer than 90% of all musicians ever.   
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: 7even on November 09, 2005, 08:43:39 AM
I don't think he wants to retire because of the reasons you mentioned, his music turned out terrible before those things happened. The whole falling off shit started after 8Mile was over. I hoped he was just playing around and shit and then he released Encore which was ice on the cake, lol. Im sure as hell he hated making that album. He talked about retiring during The Eminem Show already. He hates his job.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: ac1386 on November 09, 2005, 09:08:56 AM
I typed a part of the last verse up, and I'm a little offended by the content, it's like he's claimin' that to a certain extent his fans ruin his life lol

But baby wait - it's too late dad, you made your choice
now go out there and show 'em that you love 'em more than us,
that's what they want, they want you Marshall, they keep
screaming your name, it's no wonder you can't go to sleep
just take another *sleeping pill*, yeah I bet you will
you rap about it, yeah word, kee-keep it real
I hear applause, all this time I couldn't see
how could it be, that the curtain is closing on me?
I turn around, find a *gun* on the ground
*cock it*, put it to my brain, sceam "die Shady!"
and *pull it*, the sky darkens, my life flashes


after this verse Im 100% sure. he hates rapping.

He may be tired of rapping, or he may not. But i dont think hes blamin fans for ruinin his life. People gotta understand that writing a song doesnt always say your exact beleifs. It's about your mood, where the beat takes you and how you feel at that moment. Just cause he says that shit doesnt mean he hates his fans, hes always said he loves his fans but no one pays attention to that. Tupac contradics him self more than anyone, you people should know this shit.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Don Breezio on November 09, 2005, 11:21:38 AM
he doesnt want to retire because he's tired of rapping...he wants to retire cuz he's sick of trying to live up to the sslp....everyone wants slim shady....think about it he's rapped about it a hundered times...that album was classic...great album...and the only one of its kind...he came with another album that was great but a different persona...the mmlp...again a great album and while not exactly the sslp still very slim shady-esque.....then he came a little more serious with TES...which is (in my opinion) his best album because he matured a ton...got less angry...and talked about more important things besides what kind of drugs he was on. but everyone was so used to Slim Shady they didnt want eminem...then there was encore....well that album just sucked so whatever

personally i think this song is really good for what i expected...I expected it to be just like encore...while this is a lot like it...its on par with the good songs of encore (like toy soliders, mockingbird, etc.)...and some of the lesser tracks of the eminem show....this song to me gives me hope for some more good material on upcoming albums...even the other 2 new songs on the greatest hits cd im looking forward to now
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: WestCoasta on November 09, 2005, 11:54:59 AM
His problem is he tries to rap too melodically too often. It was amazing on The Way I Am and still great on Em Show but he's run out of melodies. It's just not fresh, (or even cohesive), any more. Someone needs to tell him he's not one of the great melody writers of all time
da da da da da da da that's all I hear when he raps
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 09, 2005, 12:03:17 PM
then he came a little more serious with TES...which is (in my opinion) his best album because he matured a ton...got less angry...and talked about more important things besides what kind of drugs he was on. but everyone was so used to Slim Shady they didnt want eminem...then there was encore....well that album just sucked so whatever

I agree with ya. He slowly improved as an artist up until The Em Show. Then something went terribly wrong.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Shallow on November 09, 2005, 12:30:13 PM
I typed a part of the last verse up, and I'm a little offended by the content, it's like he's claimin' that to a certain extent his fans ruin his life lol

But baby wait - it's too late dad, you made your choice
now go out there and show 'em that you love 'em more than us,
that's what they want, they want you Marshall, they keep
screaming your name, it's no wonder you can't go to sleep
just take another *sleeping pill*, yeah I bet you will
you rap about it, yeah word, kee-keep it real
I hear applause, all this time I couldn't see
how could it be, that the curtain is closing on me?
I turn around, find a *gun* on the ground
*cock it*, put it to my brain, sceam "die Shady!"
and *pull it*, the sky darkens, my life flashes


after this verse Im 100% sure. he hates rapping.

He may be tired of rapping, or he may not. But i dont think hes blamin fans for ruinin his life. People gotta understand that writing a song doesnt always say your exact beleifs. It's about your mood, where the beat takes you and how you feel at that moment. Just cause he says that shit doesnt mean he hates his fans, hes always said he loves his fans but no one pays attention to that. Tupac contradics him self more than anyone, you people should know this shit.


Except Tupac was a lot more versatile, had a delivery that expressed the tone of his lyrics more than anyone in rap, and had a poetry in his music that most of rap can't compare to. At least when Tupac contradicted himself he was still amazing musically. And that's all we knew him as; Tupac the rapper. No one here knew Tupac the man so his contradictions are meaningless to us.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Gangstauu on November 09, 2005, 12:57:05 PM
i like it
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: macknlatin36 on November 09, 2005, 01:00:12 PM
if there is no passion involved, and you don't feel like expressing yourself in a witty way and reaching the people through your songs, it's a no-brainer to me. just retire, period.
you clearly see he lost all his anger and passion he was loaded with a couple years back. his verses no longer aim at perfection, but more at getting the minutes filled. the fire is out and if he can't gain the fuel to fire it up again, there's no better option than retirement. sad as it is.

I never read anything more true
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Wessia4LiaNia Chieee Chieee on November 09, 2005, 04:31:37 PM
i feel it more than mockinbird
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: NFX on November 09, 2005, 04:59:26 PM
The reason eminem wants to retire is because his album sales are slipping, his shady clothing line is worthless and hes loosing fans. What a fucking bitch blaming his problems on stardom and the fans, fucking faggot is richer than 90% of all musicians ever.   

His last album went 4x platinum I think. His sales are not slipping so bad but his last album was garbage from a quality point of view and it could be he's lost the fire and desire to get out there every night on the grind. Especially when he's got as much dough as he's got. If he is contemplating retiring, I give him credit for recognizing he needs to do it, if he's not retiring, he better step up his game and come with something fresh.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: The Watcher on November 09, 2005, 05:47:41 PM
he's retirin from rappin because he hates the spotlight and hates bein this famous, like he's said a million times he never thought he'd get that amount of stardom .. he hates havin to live up to slim shady which is why you hear him say in the song he puts a gun to shady's head & kills him, and how he still loves kim etc, none of the shit like her slicin up her wrists if it wasnt for him rappin
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Inspire / Moss on November 09, 2005, 07:00:29 PM
if there is no passion involved, and you don't feel like expressing yourself in a witty way and reaching the people through your songs, it's a no-brainer to me. just retire, period.
you clearly see he lost all his anger and passion he was loaded with a couple years back. his verses no longer aim at perfection, but more at getting the minutes filled. the fire is out and if he can't gain the fuel to fire it up again, there's no better option than retirement. sad as it is.

This is exactly my opinion, just listen to his older stuff. anything before the eminem show is tight in my opinion...
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Shallow on November 09, 2005, 08:19:51 PM
he's retirin from rappin because he hates the spotlight and hates bein this famous, like he's said a million times he never thought he'd get that amount of stardom .. he hates havin to live up to slim shady which is why you hear him say in the song he puts a gun to shady's head & kills him, and how he still loves kim etc, none of the shit like her slicin up her wrists if it wasnt for him rappin



If he hates the spotlight so bad he should read up on Pearl Jam. They came in strong with TEN and eventually sold 11 million domestic (more than Em has ever done), then they didn't like the stardom and attention they got so they decided to release a black album with VS and even though the album had no real singles or videos it still managed to sell 7 million to date. It didn't phase them though they just kept up with the low profile stuff and released Vitalogy which ended up selling 4 million. By the time No Code and Yield came out Pearl Jam managed to keep only devout fans and barely went platinum. They can still make more money than most artists by touring for these devoted fans and all they have to focus on is there art. Because they are artists.

Eminem has done little to show me he's an artist. He's definately talented but he's way more a businessman than an artist. Even his artistic songs he's selling himself; "look at me I'm tortured", "my wife's a slut", "my daughters an iportant part of my life, I'm a good father", "my fans are too crazy", "buy my album". Fucking guy wants to show he's an artist then he's got to start rapping artistically. He could very easily finish up his deal (unless the guy signed something stupid like a 10 album deal), and release stripped down albums with no videos and no released singles and you'd be surprised how fast the guy fades away. Sure he'll have 90% of the fans that bought MMLP saying "what happened to Eminem? He sucks now." but the rest of his fans, the 10%, and his music will be much better off.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: The Watcher on November 09, 2005, 08:46:13 PM
^ check up on mellowman's post, he said a few times that interscope won't let him release an album with the non poppy singles and he hates it, which is why he did Encore the way it was.. they wanted poppy/trash singles and he gave them an album full of them
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: ac1386 on November 09, 2005, 08:49:39 PM
yeah what this man said, hes not his own boss, he still has to do what they tell him, and i dont think he completely hates stardom i think hes torn between the pros and cons like most things in life. All we hear is him complaining cause no one wants to hear how big his house and how hes got more money then jigga man.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Shallow on November 09, 2005, 09:12:36 PM
^ check up on mellowman's post, he said a few times that interscope won't let him release an album with the non poppy singles and he hates it, which is why he did Encore the way it was.. they wanted poppy/trash singles and he gave them an album full of them


That's why I said he should just finish up as many albums left he has on the contract and then leave.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: DopeDeala on November 10, 2005, 01:33:33 AM
i like it
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: 7even on November 10, 2005, 12:47:29 PM
^ check up on mellowman's post, he said a few times that interscope won't let him release an album with the non poppy singles and he hates it, which is why he did Encore the way it was.. they wanted poppy/trash singles and he gave them an album full of them


That's why I said he should just finish up as many albums left he has on the contract and then leave.

hell yea. that would be fuckin tight. and from then on make tight ass music, releasing black albums, for the adult fans. Im dreamin tho
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: white Boy on November 10, 2005, 03:45:47 PM
^ yea u are.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: NFX on November 10, 2005, 05:46:49 PM
Eminem has done little to show me he's an artist. He's definately talented but he's way more a businessman than an artist. Even his artistic songs he's selling himself; "look at me I'm tortured", "my wife's a slut", "my daughters an iportant part of my life, I'm a good father", "my fans are too crazy", "buy my album". Fucking guy wants to show he's an artist then he's got to start rapping artistically.

Excellent points.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: reeyotch on November 10, 2005, 06:06:59 PM
same ol hailie shit.  i wish i could here some new updated slim shady ep shit
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Don Breezio on November 10, 2005, 06:21:46 PM
^^^and that just proved my point
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: white Boy on November 10, 2005, 06:28:24 PM
^ lmao, that it did.
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Don Breezio on November 10, 2005, 06:52:30 PM
it amazes me how people still talk about slim shady this and slim shady that...face it people eminem hasn't been slim shady in 5 years....get over it!
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: 7even on November 11, 2005, 05:13:52 AM
it amazes me how people still talk about slim shady this and slim shady that...face it people eminem hasn't been slim shady in 5 years....get over it!

people still talk about the westcoast vets like they were alive and kicking so what's the problem
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Mygla on November 11, 2005, 08:59:26 AM
i like this track... the beat's fucking tight to me!
Title: Re: Eminem - When I'm Gone
Post by: Don Breezio on November 11, 2005, 11:39:17 AM
it amazes me how people still talk about slim shady this and slim shady that...face it people eminem hasn't been slim shady in 5 years....get over it!

people still talk about the westcoast vets like they were alive and kicking so what's the problem

good point....people just dont get over shit