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Title: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Eihtball on November 07, 2005, 07:23:52 PM
Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
by Anthony B. Bradley

http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=1501

What does it mean for a black person to “sell out”? Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Tiger Woods and many more, are often branded as “sell outs” or accused of “acting white” because they speak understandable English, pursue learning and have racially integrated lives. What is overlooked, however, is that much of the hip-hop and rap world represents a different form of “acting white” and “selling out.” That is, hip hop culture can be traced to the urbanization of the southern “redneck,” or to use the more socially offensive term, “cracker” culture of the past.

Thomas Sowell, in his latest book, Black Rednecks and White Liberals, reminds us that what is often construed as urban black culture has striking similarities to the cracker culture of the old South. This cracker culture emerged in the American South through the immigration of culturally lowbrow English immigrants. In the antebellum era, about 90 percent of U.S. blacks were immersed in this expression of southern living. When blacks migrated into major northern cities, beginning in the early twentieth century, Sowell argues that they brought redneck culture with them.

The dominant social, moral, and cultural values among Southern rednecks that Sowell highlights, and that have been explained in works such as Grady McWhiney’s Cracker Culture: Celtic Ways in the Old South, include aversion to work, proclivity for violence, contentment with little to no education, sexual promiscuity, short-term thinking, drunkenness, an anti-entrepreneurial spirit, reckless pursuit of excitement, and wild music and dance. Rednecks had touchy pride, what you might call today a “bling-bling” vanity, a boastfully dramatized sense of self, and little self-control.

This “cracker” ethos of the past has been baptized into the hip-hop world with reckless abandon. When black kids call studious blacks “white,” or when black kids scold other black kids for sounding “white,” they have adopted a ghetto cracker mentality. Only a ghetto cracker would ridicule the pursuit of education, the speaking of correct English, and working hard. They boast of violent activities, sexual promiscuity, and “gettin’ high and drunk,” “acting a fool up in da’ club,” or bumping and grinding on the dance floor. The ghetto cracker celebrates being out of control and spending money instead of saving and investing.

Being a ghetto cracker, regardless of race, is the pursuit of a lifestyle of self-sabotage that undermines human dignity and despises the morality that undergirds civil society. Selling out one’s dignity and future to regressive moral standards is the way of the ghetto cracker.

Hip hop magazines like Vibe, The Source, and XXL celebrate the ghetto cracker. In the July issue of Vibe, we find celebration of the strip-club lifestyle of rappers the Ying Yang Twins, affirmation of fighting to display toughness, and a picture of rapper Pitbul holding his toddler son while standing in front of two naked women painted red, not to mention a repugnant set of advertisements that would make all of our grandmothers gasp.

There is, however, an alternative vision of black American culture that recognizes the dual values of moral and economic responsibility. The July issue of Black Enterprise magazine does not promote misleading racial dichotomies but celebrates living wisely. The pages are filled with articles about investment strategies, starting businesses, homeownership, and a profile of black astrophysicist Neil Tyson, who received a PhD from Columbia University in 1991. There are ads featuring the Harlem Book Fair, the American Black Film Festival, and Morehouse College. Hard work, pursuing education, the virtues of prudence, integrity, self-discipline, humility, and the advantages of marriage and family are all part of the fabric that supports the activities celebrated in this alternative expression of the black community.

This is not “selling out”; it is “buying in.” Buying in to the fact that authentic blackness is not being a ghetto cracker. Buying in embraces a worldview that understands our common human nature and what it means to live in a way that is truly fulfilling—a worldview that promotes dignity, work, marriage, family, and healthy community. The real sell-out is the one who urbanizes counterproductive moral values and behaviors. They are people like Russell Simons, Puff Daddy, 50 Cent, the Ying Yang Twins, and others who encourage minorities to adopt the attitudes of the Southern, redneck cracker culture of the past while claiming authentic blackness. Being a chocolate covered antebellum redneck of the past is not being “black”; it is simply “selling out” disguised as hip hop.

Anthony B. Bradley is a research fellow at the Acton Institute. He can be contacted at: abradley@acton.org This article was published by the Acton Institute.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Eihtball on November 07, 2005, 07:26:57 PM
I don't completely agree with a lot of what he says (I firmly believe Colin Powell and Condi are sellouts, and NOT because they are educated), but it does provide food for thought.  It is true that a lot of the thug rappers out there make their music by and large for white kids (I'm willing to bet a lot of people on this site are white kids), and something like 80% of hip-hop albums are bought by white kids.  If you're giving white folks a certain image just because it sells, without regard for the impact you're having on yourself and your own people, couldn't you be called a sellout?
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: J Bananas on November 07, 2005, 07:27:39 PM
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Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: WestCoasta on November 07, 2005, 10:15:44 PM
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Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
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Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Trauma-san on November 07, 2005, 10:39:17 PM
Interesting read although I just skimmed it because it looked like a whole lotta bullshit.  It's my opinion that problems arise when you study the racism or the relationships between the races in the past, and then try to use that to 'fix' problems in the world today... I know that goes ass backwards against the fact that knowledge brings truth and good and etc.... but when you're talking about racial differences, unfortunately the conversation usually turns negative, lol.  I think as long as we're making a big deal out of racial inequality, the races will continue to be unequal. 

In closing, when African Americans can get over the fact that they got fucked, and start blaming their shortcomings on their individual, unique selves and not some image of past offenses upon their race, then we'll all be much better off. 
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: WestCoasta on November 07, 2005, 10:50:50 PM
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Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: J Bananas on November 08, 2005, 12:08:02 AM
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Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: WestCoasta on November 08, 2005, 12:20:10 AM
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Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: J Bananas on November 08, 2005, 12:22:16 AM
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Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Eihtball on November 09, 2005, 09:04:32 AM
^^^ uh oh I smell a ban coming from the almighty lord and creator  :P


J Bananas 4 Prezident

Why?  I didn't write this article.  I just posted it.  I linked where I got it from.

Also, I think some people should keep in mind that racist white folks more often than not point to hip-hop culture right now as proof that blacks are just lazy degenerates who don't deserve any help.  I realize it's stupid to do that, but that's what they do.  Look at CWalker187 (on this board) - he's a staunch conservative, but he claims to like gangsta rap.  Why do you think that is?  It's quite simple - listening to this music and seeing blacks acting uncivilized and thuggish allows him to justify his beliefs that they deserve whatever they get at the hands of Uncle Sam.  They essentially use this music as racist imagery to validate what they want to believe.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: 7even on November 09, 2005, 09:15:29 AM
Am I the only one who finds this article funny as fuck? I don't mean funny as fuck in a degratory way. I just think it's really funny as hell, not willing to imply that it's wrong or anything like that. Do you know what I mean? lol.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: J Bananas on November 09, 2005, 09:28:56 AM
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Also, I think some people should keep in mind that racist white folks more often than not point to hip-hop culture right now as proof that blacks are just lazy degenerates who don't deserve any help.  I realize it's stupid to do that, but that's what they do.  Look at CWalker187 (on this board) - he's a staunch conservative, but he claims to like gangsta rap.  Why do you think that is?  It's quite simple - listening to this music and seeing blacks acting uncivilized and thuggish allows him to justify his beliefs that they deserve whatever they get at the hands of Uncle Sam.  They essentially use this music as racist imagery to validate what they want to believe.

Exactly, it's no surprise that racist white kids love hip hop, it reinforces negative stereotypes, to a hot beat.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Mr. O on November 09, 2005, 03:22:52 PM
I want to see brothers from new generations mang..to just get educated and live a descent life.  Shit..I don't need another brothaz be rappin' just because they ain't got anything else to do.  I don't think they should degrade other brothaz just because they wanna achieve their dreams and all.  Reversing this will stigmatize them for rest of their lives.  I don't wanna hear people outside to think "this" brotha is stupid and is nothing but criminal thug.  Know what I mean?
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: J Bananas on November 09, 2005, 03:52:41 PM
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Know what I mean?

No. at no point in your incoherent rambling did you piece together anything that resembled an actual statement. We are all dumber for having listened to you. i award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Mr. O on November 09, 2005, 06:01:11 PM
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Know what I mean?

No. at no point in your incoherent rambling did you piece together anything that resembled an actual statement. We are all dumber for having listened to you. i award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

o...k.... :monkey_dance2:
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 09, 2005, 06:23:46 PM
(I firmly believe Colin Powell and Condi are sellouts, and NOT because they are educated),

how so?
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Trauma-san on November 10, 2005, 11:21:37 PM
(I firmly believe Colin Powell and Condi are sellouts, and NOT because they are educated),

how so?

... because they're not on the plantation like most black politicians.  They don't support affirmative action... and generally, they disagree with his polticial viewpoints, so it's much easier to call them sellouts then to think that maybe they're onto something. 


If you ever wanna see something eye opening about why Blacks vote almost strictly democrat, look up Martin Luther King Jr.'s comments in the mid 60's about the impending vote.  ... basically, in a nutshell, King Jr. (whom I respect very much) met with both presidential candidates, and decided to vote democrat because the republican candidate had a friend who was racist.  One of the people in his party used to be a klansmen, or something like that, so Dr. King endorsed the democratic party... it's stuck ever since, even though, in my opinion, a black man would be crazy to vote democratic today.  Blacks NEVER voted democrat before that, because it was the democrats who were fighting them hand and foot in the south, fighting against desegregation, democrats were the ones in Alabama burning their churches and shit down, democrats were the ones beating Emmitt Till to death.  Just like in the early part of the 20th century, and the latter part of the 19th century, the democratic party has always been down with representing blacks as inferior.  The only difference today is, they tell them they're helping them, and then pass laws and government programs that virtually ensure that every poor black kid is gonna stay poor, and every uneducated family is gonna stay uneducated.  They tell them "Hey, you're not intelligent enough to get this job by yourself, so we're gonna make the guy give you the job, and when it comes time to vote, we want you to vote all our guys in."  Over and Over and Over and Over again they pull this shit, and the whole time they're smiling and shaking hands and you've got Bill Clinton going around telling everybody he's the first black president, and showing up at the BET awards to tell everybody how much he loves black entertainment television.  It's sickening. 

On the other hand, the republicans have the same plan for everybody, no matter if you're black, white, asian, mexican, whatever the fuck you want to be, they don't give a shit.  They don't even differentiate, they want everybody to get so fucking filthy rich it isn't even funny.  They look to lower taxes for everybody... they're against unions because they don't think it's right that somebody should tell you when to quit your job when you've got kids at home.  they want you to keep more of your social security money, so you can invest it privately and make a higher rate of return, instead of letting the fucked up government invest it for you.  The republicans believe if there's an asshole in the world talking shit about us, we should go bomb said asshole and anybody he's ever came into contact with back into hell where he crawled out of in the first place.  The list goes on and on and on.  Makes much more sense to me, then telling people you're helping them, while you're passing laws that are holding them back.

The MOST hilarious part about it is, all these fucking democrats that are running shit for these black voters are all rich as fuck! Everyone of them (nearly) is worth 10 times what president Bush is, but yet people wanna talk about how corrupt and evil Bush is, and all the money he's making on Oil.  Bush is worth 15 million dollars, Cheney is worth 50 million dollars, and you've got John Edwards with 100 milllion dollars, and John Kerry is a fucking BILLIONAIRE!  ... but yet, liberals are going around, actually fucking BELIEVING, that Bush, with his 15 million, and Cheney, with his 50 million, are making a fortune behind the scenes scamming everybody.... but it's alright that Edwards and Kerry are worth over a billion fucking dollars.  I mean it's just ludicrious the logic that goes on in the mind of a liberal, and I think it's fucking SAD that blacks have been duped into voting for these clowns, EVERY election, because of what Dr. King said 40 fucking years ago. 


But yet Condi's a sellout, because she's not on television talking about how much she loves BET. 
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: 7even on November 11, 2005, 05:08:59 AM
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Know what I mean?

No. at no point in your incoherent rambling did you piece together anything that resembled an actual statement. We are all dumber for having listened to you. i award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

dipset bitch
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 11, 2005, 07:10:41 AM
(I firmly believe Colin Powell and Condi are sellouts, and NOT because they are educated),

how so?

... because they're not on the plantation like most black politicians.  They don't support affirmative action... and generally, they disagree with his polticial viewpoints, so it's much easier to call them sellouts then to think that maybe they're onto something. 


If you ever wanna see something eye opening about why Blacks vote almost strictly democrat, look up Martin Luther King Jr.'s comments in the mid 60's about the impending vote.  ... basically, in a nutshell, King Jr. (whom I respect very much) met with both presidential candidates, and decided to vote democrat because the republican candidate had a friend who was racist.  One of the people in his party used to be a klansmen, or something like that, so Dr. King endorsed the democratic party... it's stuck ever since, even though, in my opinion, a black man would be crazy to vote democratic today.  Blacks NEVER voted democrat before that, because it was the democrats who were fighting them hand and foot in the south, fighting against desegregation, democrats were the ones in Alabama burning their churches and shit down, democrats were the ones beating Emmitt Till to death.  Just like in the early part of the 20th century, and the latter part of the 19th century, the democratic party has always been down with representing blacks as inferior.  The only difference today is, they tell them they're helping them, and then pass laws and government programs that virtually ensure that every poor black kid is gonna stay poor, and every uneducated family is gonna stay uneducated.  They tell them "Hey, you're not intelligent enough to get this job by yourself, so we're gonna make the guy give you the job, and when it comes time to vote, we want you to vote all our guys in."  Over and Over and Over and Over again they pull this shit, and the whole time they're smiling and shaking hands and you've got Bill Clinton going around telling everybody he's the first black president, and showing up at the BET awards to tell everybody how much he loves black entertainment television.  It's sickening. 

On the other hand, the republicans have the same plan for everybody, no matter if you're black, white, asian, mexican, whatever the fuck you want to be, they don't give a shit.  They don't even differentiate, they want everybody to get so fucking filthy rich it isn't even funny.  They look to lower taxes for everybody... they're against unions because they don't think it's right that somebody should tell you when to quit your job when you've got kids at home.  they want you to keep more of your social security money, so you can invest it privately and make a higher rate of return, instead of letting the fucked up government invest it for you.  The republicans believe if there's an asshole in the world talking shit about us, we should go bomb said asshole and anybody he's ever came into contact with back into hell where he crawled out of in the first place.  The list goes on and on and on.  Makes much more sense to me, then telling people you're helping them, while you're passing laws that are holding them back.

The MOST hilarious part about it is, all these fucking democrats that are running shit for these black voters are all rich as fuck! Everyone of them (nearly) is worth 10 times what president Bush is, but yet people wanna talk about how corrupt and evil Bush is, and all the money he's making on Oil.  Bush is worth 15 million dollars, Cheney is worth 50 million dollars, and you've got John Edwards with 100 milllion dollars, and John Kerry is a fucking BILLIONAIRE!  ... but yet, liberals are going around, actually fucking BELIEVING, that Bush, with his 15 million, and Cheney, with his 50 million, are making a fortune behind the scenes scamming everybody.... but it's alright that Edwards and Kerry are worth over a billion fucking dollars.  I mean it's just ludicrious the logic that goes on in the mind of a liberal, and I think it's fucking SAD that blacks have been duped into voting for these clowns, EVERY election, because of what Dr. King said 40 fucking years ago. 


But yet Condi's a sellout, because she's not on television talking about how much she loves BET. 

Totally agree with everything you said there.  Even though I'm not black, and really don't know from firsthand experience what it's like to be black, I do agree with all of that.  What goes on in the mind of liberals really confuses me.

Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: 7even on November 11, 2005, 07:14:09 AM
Liberals > Reps

Kerry is rich because of Ketchup not because of pipelines in Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 11, 2005, 07:20:52 AM
Liberals > Reps

Kerry is rich because of Ketchup not because of pipelines in Afghanistan.
so why does that make him better?
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: 7even on November 11, 2005, 07:22:33 AM
Liberals > Reps

Kerry is rich because of Ketchup not because of pipelines in Afghanistan.
so why does that make him better?

You think Kerry is an asshole noone should vote for cause his wife inherited a big food company? Are you fucking serious? Cheney is a fuckin criminal.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 11, 2005, 07:24:33 AM
Liberals > Reps

Kerry is rich because of Ketchup not because of pipelines in Afghanistan.
so why does that make him better?

You think Kerry is an asshole noone should vote for cause his wife inherited a big food company? Are you fucking serious? Cheney is a fuckin criminal.

Well, more people voted for Bush last year than Kerry.

Can the left just put Kerry out to pasture.  You would never win with someone as pussy whipped as John Kerry.  If he runs again in 2008, expect 4 more years for the republicians!
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: 7even on November 11, 2005, 07:25:44 AM
Liberals > Reps

Kerry is rich because of Ketchup not because of pipelines in Afghanistan.
so why does that make him better?

You think Kerry is an asshole noone should vote for cause his wife inherited a big food company? Are you fucking serious? Cheney is a fuckin criminal.

Well, more people voted for Bush last year than Kerry.

Can the left just put Kerry out to pasture.  You would never win with someone as pussy whipped as John Kerry.  If he runs again in 2008, expect 4 more years for the republicians!

How the hell is that a response to what I just said?
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 11, 2005, 07:28:35 AM
Liberals > Reps

Kerry is rich because of Ketchup not because of pipelines in Afghanistan.
so why does that make him better?

You think Kerry is an asshole noone should vote for cause his wife inherited a big food company? Are you fucking serious? Cheney is a fuckin criminal.

Well, more people voted for Bush last year than Kerry.

Can the left just put Kerry out to pasture.  You would never win with someone as pussy whipped as John Kerry.  If he runs again in 2008, expect 4 more years for the republicians!

How the hell is that a response to what I just said?

How the hell does his wife inheriting a big food company make him a good politician.  Money is only good enough to get you as a canadiate.

However, it's not enough to get people to vote for you.

And I also want to know why you thought that your reason for saying "Liberals > Reps" was "Kerry is rich because of Ketchup not because of pipelines in Afghanistan.".
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: 7even on November 11, 2005, 07:32:26 AM
I don't give a shit about the money they got, but for you two it seemed to be an issue. Trauma pretty much argued that Kerry is a bastard blacks shouldnt vote for cause he's rich. That's of course an absurd thing to claim, but I let it slide. So in consequence I felt like I had to clear up that Kerry ain't got the money from filthy things, like Cheney. Which makes him less of an asshole in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 11, 2005, 07:37:32 AM
I don't give a shit about the money they got, but for you two it seemed to be an issue. Trauma pretty much argued that Kerry is a bastard blacks shouldnt vote for cause he's rich. That's of course an absurd thing to claim, but I let it slide. So in consequence I felt like I had to clear up that Kerry ain't got the money from filthy things, like Cheney. Which makes him less of an asshole in my opinion.

Well, I think it's time that some people just forget about John Kerry.  It's been over a year now, and the fact that some people are still talking about John Kerry is really scary.  Move on, people.  Move on!

As for the fact about the money they have, all politicans are richer than we could ever hope to be.

There is no politician that will ever come from the ghetto to be President.  It's just impossible, becuase if you ever hope to be President you have to be born rich.

Which I think is unfair, becuase this country was built on letting everyone have a voice.

If eveyone can vote, why can't everyone run?

They can try, but no one will win, and that upsets me more than any political descision.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Javier on November 11, 2005, 07:38:45 AM
The Southern Democrats are a seperate party all together than actual Democrats.  Throughout the U.S History there has been an evolution of political groups. During the time of the Civil Rights movements, the most important thing about a lot of people's beliefs had nothing to do with their political affiliation but more of the region where they are from.  Southern Democrats at the time does not = Democrats
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: 7even on November 11, 2005, 07:40:50 AM

As for the fact about the money they have, all politicans are richer than we could ever hope to be.

There is no politician that will ever come from the ghetto to be President. It's just impossible, becuase if you ever hope to be President you have to be born rich.

Which I think is unfair, becuase this country was built on letting everyone have a voice.

If eveyone can vote, why can't everyone run?

They can try, but no one will win, and that upsets me more than any political descision.

That's the system... what's even worse though, is that Bush got into office like a King would.. by heritage.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 11, 2005, 07:42:37 AM

As for the fact about the money they have, all politicans are richer than we could ever hope to be.

There is no politician that will ever come from the ghetto to be President. It's just impossible, becuase if you ever hope to be President you have to be born rich.

Which I think is unfair, becuase this country was built on letting everyone have a voice.

If eveyone can vote, why can't everyone run?

They can try, but no one will win, and that upsets me more than any political descision.

That's the system... what's even worse though, is that Bush got into office like a King would.. by heritage.

His brother, Jeb, got the brains.  Jeb Bush, the govenor of Florida, has done a great job since 1998.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Trauma-san on November 11, 2005, 08:30:58 AM
I don't give a shit about the money they got, but for you two it seemed to be an issue. Trauma pretty much argued that Kerry is a bastard blacks shouldnt vote for cause he's rich. That's of course an absurd thing to claim, but I let it slide. So in consequence I felt like I had to clear up that Kerry ain't got the money from filthy things, like Cheney. Which makes him less of an asshole in my opinion.

My point is: Don't you think it's a little despicable that John Kerry (and tons, of others) go on Television, acting like they're for the poor man, acting like they're for blacks in the country, and the way they pander to these individuals, then turn right around and do things that help opress them?  How can people complain about the money Bush has, when it's nowhere NEAR the money Kerry has?  Kerry doesn't even know what the fuck a hotdog is.  He's so far removed from regular people, that for him to go on television and act like he's a champion of the poor is fucking DISGUSTING.  How does it help a poor guy to have him join a union?  Kerry thinks it does.  Kerry thinks it's o.k., for a black man to get a job, with a union, at 20 dollars an hour or whatever the union will get him the job at.... and make the employer pay that employee 20 dollars an hour.  Then, like the unions, he thinks it's o.k. to make it almost impossible for that employer to fire the black man they just hired at 20 dollars.  Sounds great, right?  I guess it's great if you're not the employer, but where the bullshit comes in is, John Kerry also thinks it's alright for the rich white guys who run the UNION, to basically 'fire' the employee for whatever reason they see fit.  If the union leaders can't get something done, they will pull the plug and require the black guy to quit, for however long they see fit.

That's fucking enslavery.  It takes away any individual rights of the black guy in this example, and puts them in the hands of the rich motherfuckers running the union (who pay themselves nice big fat multi million dollar paychecks).

Lets say the black guy in question was a great worker, and the greatest worker in the plant.  He gets 20 bucks an hour.  His buddy, a poor white guy, is the fucking biggest loser on the earth.  He doesn't do his job, he fucks stuff up, and makes the black guy work twice as hard to fix it.  Can the place fire this loser?  Probably not, because the union would have a fit.  So it also takes away the ability for the black guy to suceed on his own merits in his job, because there's no accountability involved.

That's just a little bit of rambling on the topics of UNIONS, imagine if I started bitching about EVERYTHING the liberals in the country stand for. 

Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 11, 2005, 08:35:40 AM
Here's the thing about unions.  Unions started out as a good idea.  But over time, they have just become so corrupt, and bullshit, that unions of today stand for totally different values as the original worker's unions in the 1800's.

Unions weren't always full of bullshit.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Trauma-san on November 11, 2005, 08:38:43 AM
Here's the thing about unions.  Unions started out as a good idea.  But over time, they have just become so corrupt, and bullshit, that unions of today stand for totally different values as the original worker's unions in the 1800's.

Unions weren't always full of bullshit.

I agree.  They sure are full of bullshit today, though, aren't they? 
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 11, 2005, 08:39:50 AM
Here's the thing about unions.  Unions started out as a good idea.  But over time, they have just become so corrupt, and bullshit, that unions of today stand for totally different values as the original worker's unions in the 1800's.

Unions weren't always full of bullshit.

I agree.  They sure are full of bullshit today, though, aren't they? 

yeah.  the fact that if somebody isn't doing a good job, but can't be fired becuase of the unions is really stupid.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Shallow on November 12, 2005, 07:21:06 AM
There is no politician that will ever come from the ghetto to be President.  It's just impossible, becuase if you ever hope to be President you have to be born rich.



Wasn't Abe Lincoln dirt poor? And Clinton wasn't rich.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 12, 2005, 10:26:12 AM
There is no politician that will ever come from the ghetto to be President.  It's just impossible, becuase if you ever hope to be President you have to be born rich.



Wasn't Abe Lincoln dirt poor? And Clinton wasn't rich.

Lincoln was back in the early days; and clinton wasn't poor.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Shallow on November 12, 2005, 09:02:53 PM
There is no politician that will ever come from the ghetto to be President.  It's just impossible, becuase if you ever hope to be President you have to be born rich.



Wasn't Abe Lincoln dirt poor? And Clinton wasn't rich.

Lincoln was back in the early days; and clinton wasn't poor.


But Clinton wasn't born rich. Neither was Nixon, who came from a very humble upbringing as far as I know. You said you have to be born rich to become president. I was just showing that you don't have to be.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: BizzyR.I.P. on November 12, 2005, 09:12:40 PM
The Southern Democrats are a seperate party all together than actual Democrats.  Throughout the U.S History there has been an evolution of political groups. During the time of the Civil Rights movements, the most important thing about a lot of people's beliefs had nothing to do with their political affiliation but more of the region where they are from.  Southern Democrats at the time does not = Democrats
Exactly, and why didn't he also mention that the Republicans at one point were part of the Democratic party, the Democratic-Republicans until they split.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 12, 2005, 09:13:13 PM
There is no politician that will ever come from the ghetto to be President.  It's just impossible, becuase if you ever hope to be President you have to be born rich.



Wasn't Abe Lincoln dirt poor? And Clinton wasn't rich.

Lincoln was back in the early days; and clinton wasn't poor.


But Clinton wasn't born rich. Neither was Nixon, who came from a very humble upbringing as far as I know. You said you have to be born rich to become president. I was just showing that you don't have to be.

well, it's gotten to the point as to where you have to have a good deal of money.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Shallow on November 12, 2005, 09:23:00 PM
There is no politician that will ever come from the ghetto to be President.  It's just impossible, becuase if you ever hope to be President you have to be born rich.



Wasn't Abe Lincoln dirt poor? And Clinton wasn't rich.

Lincoln was back in the early days; and clinton wasn't poor.


But Clinton wasn't born rich. Neither was Nixon, who came from a very humble upbringing as far as I know. You said you have to be born rich to become president. I was just showing that you don't have to be.

well, it's gotten to the point as to where you have to have a good deal of money.


I'm not doubting that you'd need a whole hell of a lot of money to run for president, or at least your party would have to have it, but that doesn't mean you have to be born rich. It means you have to to what your told, keep your mouth shut on certain things, and know how to bullshit the masses.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 12, 2005, 09:30:44 PM
There is no politician that will ever come from the ghetto to be President.  It's just impossible, becuase if you ever hope to be President you have to be born rich.



Wasn't Abe Lincoln dirt poor? And Clinton wasn't rich.

Lincoln was back in the early days; and clinton wasn't poor.


But Clinton wasn't born rich. Neither was Nixon, who came from a very humble upbringing as far as I know. You said you have to be born rich to become president. I was just showing that you don't have to be.

well, it's gotten to the point as to where you have to have a good deal of money.


I'm not doubting that you'd need a whole hell of a lot of money to run for president, or at least your party would have to have it, but that doesn't mean you have to be born rich. It means you have to to what your told, keep your mouth shut on certain things, and know how to bullshit the masses.
trust me, the money dosen't hurt either!
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Shallow on November 12, 2005, 09:38:22 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm not disputing that.
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: blonde_opie on November 12, 2005, 09:39:42 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm not disputing that.

ok
Title: Re: Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’
Post by: Eihtball on November 13, 2005, 04:18:41 PM
(I firmly believe Colin Powell and Condi are sellouts, and NOT because they are educated),

how so?

Because now I have to listen to assholes like I Want My Donation Back ranting about how more black people need to be like them.  White folks ask me all the time how I put up with the "lowlifes" I grew up with.  They seem to think that just because I'm educated and because I've been called a "sellout" in my life, I'm automatically going to agree with them.  The thing is, I'm not about to forget where I came from, or the fact that they would have gladly let me rot in there.

And yes, BTW, it doesn't matter to me whether you're black and you vote Democrat or Republican...if you're giving the crackers a certain limited view of the black experience that contributes to their racist beliefs, you're a sellout.  For this reason, 50 Cent is as much of a sellout as Condi and Colin.