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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Rizzle on December 16, 2005, 06:16:05 AM
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British UN worker unlawfully shot
By Nic Rigby
BBC News, Ipswich
A British UN project manager, shot by an Israeli sniper, was unlawfully killed a UK inquest has concluded.
Iain Hook, 54, of Felixstowe, Suffolk, was in a UN compound in Jenin when he was shot in November 2002.
On Friday, jurors unanimously agreed that Mr Hook, who was born in Essex, was unlawfully killed.
Coroner Dr Peter Dean said he was so concerned by the case and that 13 UN workers have died in Jenin he will write to Prime Minister Tony Blair.
Dr Dean will send copies of his letters to the Foreign Secretary Jack Straw and the Israeli ambassador and said when delivering the verdict that the Ipswich inquest was the only one to consider other deaths in the area.
The inquest at Ipswich Crown Court had heard that the shooting took place after troops surrounded the nearby hideout of an Islamic Jihad leader.
Mr Hook was leading a UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) project to rebuild the camp in the West Bank, which was home to 13,000 Palestinian refugees.
Not mistaken identity
Earlier Dr Peter Hansen, former Commissioner General of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) said that over the past four years 13 UNRWA workers, including Mr Hook, had been shot in similar circumstances by the Israeli army.
Mr Hook was the only non-Palestinian.
On Monday in a statement Paul Wolstenholme, a colleague of Mr Hook who was in the compound at time of the shooting, said the Israeli special forces sniper would have known Mr Hook was not a Palestinian.
"It was not a case of mistaken identity, it was a deliberate act," he said.
The Israeli authorities declined to attend the inquest.
The inquest heard that the Israeli authorities claimed the sniper had mistaken Mr Hook's mobile phone for a pistol.
Dr Hansen showed the jury photographs of where the gunman was positioned and said: "It is fairly difficult to imagine how a small mobile phone could be mistaken for a gun."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/suffolk/4534620.stm
Published: 2005/12/16 12:09:17 GMT
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Dr Hansen showed the jury photographs of where the gunman was positioned and said: "It is fairly difficult to imagine how a small mobile phone could be mistaken for a gun."
In the battlefield it's enough to reach into your pocket, without a cue, to get shot, especially under the circumstances under which the IDF is forced to operate.
I'd like to see this Dr Hensen guy after a week in Jenin at that time, I bet he'd mistake not only phones for guns but even smaller objects...People who don't know shit about guerilla warfare make ungrounded assumptions(lol@ deliberate) and call them inquest conclusions.
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Nothing new... Israeli soldiers always try to kill reporters and peace activists...
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you really sicken me with your apologetic stance in defence of all actions, ffs use your brain. I suppose when Israeli bulldozers have ran over peace activists that was accidental to, or maybe they thought the peace activists were carrying bombs.
Im just waiting now for some zionist bs newslink now about english suicide bombers posing as peace activists.
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Dr Hansen showed the jury photographs of where the gunman was positioned and said: "It is fairly difficult to imagine how a small mobile phone could be mistaken for a gun."
In the battlefield it's enough to reach into your pocket, without a cue, to get shot, especially under the circumstances under which the IDF is forced to operate.
I'd like to see this Dr Hensen guy after a week in Jenin at that time, I bet he'd mistake not only phones for guns but even smaller objects...People who don't know shit about guerilla warfare make ungrounded assumptions(lol@ deliberate) and call them inquest conclusions.
LMFAO!!!! Man, u killing me here. im dying lol.
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Why do you think this is an apologetic stance?
Do you disagree with the fact that there is a great deal of coercion in the battlefield?
When you're being shot at from all directions and in the midst of this mess you see someone reaching into his pocket what do you do? Walk up to him and shake his hand?
I deplore every innocent death but people need to know how to conduct themselves in the battlefield if they regard themselves as peace activists. Trust me, Israel doesn't gain anything from dead UN project managers, but do you know who does?
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Explain bulldozing over a peace activist who was trying to prevent another home from being unjustly demolished. Entertain us.... you Zionists come with the funniest explanations for things... "She didn't want the home to be bulldozed because she was working for al-Qaeda and the home was used to store weapons to be supplied to terrorists". LOL.. I know I'm not as creative as you Zionists
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Explain bulldozing over a peace activist who was trying to prevent another home from being unjustly demolished.
The moment one starts perceiving oneself as a justice compass in the battlefield repercussions are likely to be tragic.
Again whose interest was served? 8)
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Explain bulldozing over a peace activist who was trying to prevent another home from being unjustly demolished.
The moment one starts perceiving oneself as a justice compass in the battlefield repercussions are likely to be tragic.
Again whose interest was served? 8)
LOL... thank you that will be all... that's all I wanted to, and was expecting to hear....
you people are disgusting
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you people are disgusting
You're welcome.
And just so we're clear, is that us Jews, us Zionists, us Israelis, us IDF soldiers? I mean, I understand that you love to generalize because that's how propaganda works but I just want to know.
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you people are disgusting
You're welcome.
And just so we're clear, is that us Jews, us Zionists, us Israelis, us IDF soldiers? I mean, I understand that you love to generalize because that's how propaganda works but I just want to know.
Zionists whose actions have victimized people are bad as it is but my reference to the disgusting ones are those won't admit to it and try to deny everything. I view the same way you'd view someone who tries to deny the Holocaust.
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There's a diff between denying the holocaust and denying misportrayals of reality.
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There's a diff between denying the holocaust and denying misportrayals of reality.
"Misportrayals of reality" LOL
Palestinian villages bombed = misportrayal of reality?
Palestinian people killed by Zionist colonizers/terrorists = misportrayal of reality?
Palestinian children killed by IDF soldiers = misportrayal of reality?
Palestinian homes demolished = misportrayal of reality?
Peace activists bulldozed = misportrayal of reality?
Yeah... there's a big difference between denying any of those having occurred and denying the holocaust.. because after all, it was the Jews who were the victims then...
I say it again... you people are disgusting.
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Explain bulldozing over a peace activist who was trying to prevent another home from being unjustly demolished.
The moment one starts perceiving oneself as a justice compass in the battlefield repercussions are likely to be tragic.
Again whose interest was served? 8)
ok so israel killing innocent people and protecting the pertpurtrators is all just made up propergander by the palestinians? dude seriously your mind is warped you try and twist israel punishing innocent people and say it just serves palestinian interests, israel retreating and stop interfering with the palestinians would be in their interest. just goes to show how brainwashed really you are.
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Explain bulldozing over a peace activist who was trying to prevent another home from being unjustly demolished.
The moment one starts perceiving oneself as a justice compass in the battlefield repercussions are likely to be tragic.
Again whose interest was served? 8)
ok so israel killing innocent people and protecting the pertpurtrators is all just made up propergander by the palestinians? dude seriously your mind is warped you try and twist israel punishing innocent people and say it just serves palestinian interests, israel retreating and stop interfering with the palestinians would be in their interest. just goes to show how brainwashed really you are.
If that's the only thing that matters to you when deciding who is at fault, then let's ask eachother... "whose interest was served with the Holocaust?" I'd say getting your own country is more than enough to be considered an interest being served. :)
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"whose interest was served with the Holocaust?" I'd say getting your own country is more than enough to be considered an interest being served. :)
Very true, it's interesting that you're capable of making such intelligent observations when it comes to somehow harming Israeli/Jewish/Zionist image. Thing is the holocaust was not triggered by Jewish actions but those Palestinian "victims" are results of Palestinian actions[Palestinian Terrorism, indifference of the Palestinian Leadership to Palestinian Terrorism]. I've never denied or argued death rates, funny how you're trying to discredit me through things I've never expressed. Misportrayal or reality is when you're taking things out of context. When Germany was bombed at the end of WW2 many innocent people died as well, but a war is a war, leaders who want war bring war on their subordinates.When you choose a demeanor choose the consequences.
p.s Do you remember what was going down in Gaza after sep 11th?....same thing right now, they've heared about Sharon having suffered a minor stroke, spread a rumor he's gone already, and are cheering in the streets right now.<LIVE FROM ISRAEL
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I didn't even mean what I said when I made that statement... I was just showing you how dumb and irrational it sounds because that's how you come off. That's the thing... I didn't even mean it... but when I said it you were quick to reply that I could make those types of observations when it comes to harming the image of Israel/Jews/Zionism... you're doing everything in your power to accomplish the exact opposite, I'm not trying to do anything because I didn't even mean what I said... you mean it when you make comments like "Palestinians have not been victims of Zionism in any way"... and quite frankly, that's just as retarded as the comment you were presented with. You probably think the Iranian leader sounds like a moron when he said the holocaust was a myth, but you shouldn't because what you're saying isn't any better.
Sharon is sick... and people are cheering... what's your point? I'm cheering. If that terrorist dies, best believe I'm throwing a party. I'm sure the Jews were a little happy about Hitler being dead... don't expect the Palestinians not to cheer when Sharon dies like the bastard he is.
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I'm not trying to do anything because I didn't even mean what I said...
Great technique^ a debate with someone who does not mean what he sayes is a treat.
And it's nice that you've disregarded the fact Palestinians have suffered all along because of the conduct of their self proclaimed Leaderships.
PS.Same thing they did after 9-11th.
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^ You stool pigeon....maybe youll get the truth if its wrapped in a deadly dose of funk
BEFORE THERE WAS A "PALESTINIAN LEADERSHIP" ..........THERE WAS A FUCKIN OCCUPATION
BEFORE HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD ............THERE WAS A FUCKIN OCCUPATION
BEFORE A SINGLE SUICIDE BOMBING ..........THERE WAS A FUCKIN OCCUPATION
sing it with me now, i wanna hear all the ladies in the front and the gangstaz in the back, I wanna hear altos and saxos and all the shit
OCCCCUUUUUPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAA SHHHHUUUNNNNNNN
just the ladies
*c walker and his pops stands up*
OCCUUUPPAAAA SHHHHUUUUNNNNNNN
BEFORE A SINGLE ARAB STATE LAUNCHED A WAR, WHAT DID WE HAVE?
*points to random poster in Outbound Connections*
OCCUUUPPPAAA SHHHHUUUUN
*sips water*
*clears throat*
SHHHUUUUNNNNNN
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^ You stool pigeon....maybe youll get the truth if its wrapped in a deadly dose of funk
BEFORE THERE WAS A "PALESTINIAN LEADERSHIP" ..........THERE WAS A FUCKIN OCCUPATION
BEFORE HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD ............THERE WAS A FUCKIN OCCUPATION
BEFORE A SINGLE SUICIDE BOMBING ..........THERE WAS A FUCKIN OCCUPATION
sing it with me now, i wanna hear all the ladies in the front and the gangstaz in the back, I wanna hear altos and saxos and all the shit
OCCCCUUUUUPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAA SHHHHUUUNNNNNNN
just the ladies
*c walker and his pops stands up*
OCCUUUPPAAAA SHHHHUUUUNNNNNNN
BEFORE A SINGLE ARAB STATE LAUNCHED A WAR, WHAT DID WE HAVE?
*points to random poster in Outbound Connections*
OCCUUUPPPAAA SHHHHUUUUN
*sips water*
*clears throat*
SHHHUUUUNNNNNN
LMFAO...Homie you're loosing it :)...You should also add "BEFORE JEWISH RETURN THERE WAS OCCUPATION"
and "BEFORE HAMAS, JIHAD ETC THERE WAS AN AGREEEMENT SIGNED BETWEEN ZIONISTS AN ARAB LEADER"
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I'm not trying to do anything because I didn't even mean what I said...
Great technique^ a debate with someone who does not mean what he sayes is a treat.
And it's nice that you've disregarded the fact Palestinians have suffered all along because of the conduct of their self proclaimed Leaderships.
PS.Same thing they did after 9-11th.
It's a treat because I was able to show you how fucking dumb you sound.
I never disregarded it... do you want me to go back and quote every single post where I admitted that their leadership has made things worse for them... the only thing is that it's retarded to the extent of denying the holocaust to say that they haven't in any way been victims of Zionism. Next time you hear someone criticize the Iranian leader for calling the holocaust a myth, go up to that person and say "I'm just as stupid."
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Next time you hear someone criticize the Iranian leader for calling the holocaust a myth, go up to that person and say "I'm just as stupid."
LOL!!
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I've never argued death rates(I can bring as many quotes as you like), funny that you compare a FACT to holocaust denying, guess it's all the same to you.It's also interesting how you don't see the connection between misconduct of the Palestinian leadership and Israel's right for self-defence.
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guess it's all the same to you.
Since you never have any facts, all you can do is guess... nothing new to me.
Anyways, Israel's right for self-defense? Palestinians blowing themselves up = Palestinian right for self-defense.
I think I'm gonna use the Zionist theories for things from now on...
1. Blacks shouldn't bitch about slavery. They're better off in America now than they would've been in Africa if we didn't force them to come here. (Palestinians are better off in Israel than the Palestinian "autonomy")
2. The early American colonizers had the right to self-defense because the Native Americans were attacking them... trying to prevent them from stealing their land. (Israel has the right to self-defence)
3. Jews are responsible for the Holocaust. (Palestinians are responsible for Zionists killing them)
Help me out I Geezy... I need some more ridiculous things to say...
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Palestinians blowing themselves up = Palestinian right for self-defense.
LOL Again you set yourself up. Do you see the problem with this? I know that you're going to say that you "did not mean what was said" but check out the logic "I blow myself up to defend myself".... They kill themselves to defend themselves? See the problem? Just like they're forced to seek self-determination and eventually end up harming themselves? Nice analogy Jamal, guess my work is done ;D
And as for Blacks and slavery, Blacks didn't have a choice Israeli Arabs did. And it's nice to finally know your views on the Holocaust, oh wait, you probably didn't mean what you said. ::)
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Palestinians blowing themselves up = Palestinian right for self-defense.
LOL Again you set yourself up. Do you see the problem with this? I know that you're going to say that you "did not mean what was said" but check out the logic "I blow myself up to defend myself".... They kill themselves to defend themselves? See the problem? Just like they're forced to seek self-determination and eventually end up harming themselves? Nice analogy Jamal, guess my work is done ;D
And as for Blacks and slavery, Blacks didn't have a choice Israeli Arabs did. And it's nice to finally know your views on the Holocaust, oh wait, you probably didn't mean what you said. ::)
So when an IDF soldier kills Palestinians he's doing it for himself (which would only prove that he's a cold-blooded killer like the early Zionists were) or is he doing it for his people/his country (which is what the Palestinian is doing, and I assumed the Israeli soldiers are doing... but then again, I may have given the IDF soldiers too much credit, and you'd be telling me that they just want to kill).
Israeli Arabs had a choice? LOLLLLL yeah... what choice they had...
"We're taking your land... you have the choice to live on the land that used to be yours, but under us, or you can get the fuck out"
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Israeli Arabs had a choice? LOLLLLL yeah... what choice they had...
To fold up under their leadership's and Arab states' threats and leave or to listen to the Zionists who wanted them to stay.
P.S The IDF soldier doesn't kill himself. :) You're funny.
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Israeli Arabs had a choice? LOLLLLL yeah... what choice they had...
listen to the Zionists who wanted them to stay.
P.S The IDF soldier doesn't kill himself. :) You're funny.
1. LOLLLL are you arguing for me or against me because you keep proving my point.
According to your theory, Jews weren't victims of the Spanish Inquisition because "THEY HAD THE CHOICE TO LEAVE" LOLLLL
2. No he doesn't... he's either killing Palestinians for his own pleasure, which so many of them do.... or he's doing it for his country, which is what you imply... and which would explain that the Palestinian isn't blowing himself up for his personal self-defense... but for his occupied people.
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Palestinian isn't blowing himself up for his personal self-defense.
You can't shake this mate, this is a paradox, it ain't self-defence by definition when you end up dead and it ain't self-determination when you encourage people to kill themselves through stimulatiion of frustration.
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Palestinian isn't blowing himself up for his personal self-defense.
You can't shake this mate, this is a paradox, it ain't self-defence by definition when you end up dead and it ain't self-determination when you encourage people to kill themselves through stimulatiion of frustration.
LOL... so an IDF soldier shooting little Palestinian girls is self-defense or self-determination? Since this is justified...
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LOL... so an IDF soldier shooting little Palestinian girls is self-defense or self-determination? Since this is justified...
Depends on wether she's strapped(like it happent before), if she wasn't it's a deplorable mistake resulting in combat conditions IDF is coerced to operate under by terrorist groups that exploit children- there is nothing in this to justify such turn of events but enough to explain. A war is a war.
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LOL... so an IDF soldier shooting little Palestinian girls is self-defense or self-determination? Since this is justified...
Depends on wether she's strapped(like it happent before), if she wasn't it's a deplorable mistake resulting in combat conditions IDF is coerced to operate under by terrorist groups that exploit children- there is nothing in this to justify such turn of events but enough to explain. A war is a war.
LOL... you're not brainwashed at all...
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you're not brainwashed at all...
Well Said.
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you're not brainwashed at all...
Well Said.
Thank you for recognizing my great use of sarcasm.
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Thank you for recognizing my great use of sarcasm.
My pleasure.
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ha ha now he admits hes brainwashed
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And while I'm at it I should also commend you on your knowledge regarding the middle east :P