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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Rizzle on January 05, 2006, 02:44:01 AM
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JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon clung to life in critical condition on Thursday after a massive stroke that is likely to end his dominance of Israeli politics and create a vacuum in the Middle East peace process.
Surgeons said they stemmed the bleeding in the 77-year-old leader's brain in a seven-hour operation. But the Zaka emergency service, in an unconfirmed report issued later, said Sharon's condition was deteriorating.
A cerebral haemorrhage, or bleeding stroke, felled Sharon late on Wednesday in the midst of his fight for re-election on a promise to end conflict with the Palestinians.
IT will now be interesting to see which way the country sways in march, hopefully it will goto the left with labour and maybe there can be peace but if it goes to the right to lukid things will only get worse
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It's Likud(Not Lukid ;D). I hope that Avoda wins- this way some of you will be able to see what I see. Anyway, as far as leaders go I don't see one person I would actually want to vote for right now, good thing we're not voting for people but for parties :).
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I hope he dies a slow painful death.
And before anybody asks... Yes, I will be celebrating when we're blessed with this bastard's death. 8)
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Dude made shit worse out in Israel. Hopefully the new guy will be a little better.
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Dude made shit worse out in Israel. Hopefully the new guy will be a little better.
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He did make shit worse out in Israel, I don't see how the disengagement helped. I think we should maybe undo it, what do you think? Or is this why you did support Sharon?
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wheelchair
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die slow pig
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lets get all the middle eastern kids to turn this into a pointless 8 page thread arguing in circles like usual
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i'm not middle eastern and i still say fuck that hypocrite (Sharon)
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Amen to that JML i won't be shedding any tears. Secondly to address the point about the disengagement it was done for two reasons firstly because the security of the GAZA strip was becoming so expensive and was a drain on the pot of free money that Israel gets from the U.S. Secondly though it was a complete con, the perfect ploy to make those in europe and america be sickened by the sight of jews being evicted from land which wasnt theirs anyway. This serves the purpose of fooling viewers that Israel really wants peace ha! at the same time they are building new settlements and according to Mark Urban (a jewish journalist) for Newsnight the settlements will dwarf Gaza anyway.
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So basically, if I understand what you're saying, it's not good for the Palestinians that Israel left Gaza. Because: 1. Israel is going to save some budget 2.Because Europe may be now more fond of Israel.
I agree with you, I think we should go back in ;D
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So basically, if I understand what you're saying, it's not good for the Palestinians that Israel left Gaza. Because: 1. Israel is going to save some budget 2.Because Europe may be now more fond of Israel.
I agree with you, I think we should go back in ;D
That's the point... you don't understand what he's saying... and you never seem to understand what anyone is saying, and that's just one of the many reasons why you're an idiot.
Secondly to address the point about the disengagement it was done for two reasons...
He simply gave two reasons why Israel went ahead with this plan... he didn't state whether they should or should not have done it. Israel needs to stop illegally occupying the West Bank before it can even claim to want peace.
You need to start understanding what's being said before jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. I feel sorry for you.
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When is this terrorist gonna die so I can go celebrate...
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Alec Guinness dying didnt end Star Wars
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That's the point... you don't understand what he's saying... and you never seem to understand what anyone is saying, and that's just one of the many reasons why you're an idiot.
So if it is good for the Palestinians, why make assumptions about Israel's motives? 1 reason- PROPAGANDA!
Anyway you choose to interpret his statement, it sayes the same thing. Funny that you don't see it, or maybe even sad on second thought.
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That's the point... you don't understand what he's saying... and you never seem to understand what anyone is saying, and that's just one of the many reasons why you're an idiot.
So if it is good for the Palestinians, why make assumptions about Israel's motives? 1 reason- PROPAGANDA!
Anyway you choose to interpret his statement, it sayes the same thing. Funny that you don't see it, or maybe even sad on second thought.
It's good for the Palestinians living in Gaza... not for the ones in the West Bank... is this really that hard to understand?
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I have a feeling this will benefit both groups in the end. If they don't pick another hard ass that is.
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Dude made shit worse out in Israel. Hopefully the new guy will be a little better.
The new guy is more crazier then Sharon he's the one that would fire a nuke at Iran...
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Just like it's good for the Jews living in the west bank and bad for the Jews that used to live in Gaza. Through compromise you please both sides to the extent possible. Otherwise it's not a compromise.
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My point as you well know was Gaza was only a token gesture because as you know there are 10 times more jews in the west bank then there is in Gaza. So yes its good for the palestinians in the Gaza Strip but look at what was occuring at the same time and now with, massive new settlements being built. This is just spitting in the faces of palestinians, how can Israel claim it wants a peaceful solution and then build yet more settlements?
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My point as you well know was Gaza was only a token gesture because as you know there are 10 times more jews in the west bank then there is in Gaza. So yes its good for the palestinians in the Gaza Strip but look at what was occuring at the same time and now with, massive new settlements being built. This is just spitting in the faces of palestinians, how can Israel claim it wants a peaceful solution and then build yet more settlements?
I don't agree with Sharon's politics, but I though this was actually a good move. Some people though *cough* will always have something to bitch about until Israel doesn't exist anymore.
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I don't agree with Sharon's politics, but I though this was actually a good move. Some people though *cough* will always have something to bitch about until Israel doesn't exist anymore.
Exactly my point!
You people should listen to someone who knowes what he's talking about^^^
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Just like it's good for the Jews living in the west bank and bad for the Jews that used to live in Gaza. Through compromise you please both sides to the extent possible. Otherwise it's not a compromise.
Illegally occupied territories... giving back a portion of someone's land just to take another's is a compromise? LOLLL.. you Zionists must really be at peace with yourselves with that mentality.
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JML welcome to bizarro world, where the taking down of one settlement only to then build an even bigger settlement, is seen by these fools as a good compromise ::)
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It's also interesting to note that he called it propaganda and yet mark urban who was the bbc man reporting on the new settlements is himself a jew. But at this point I guess he becomes a self hating jew for telling the truth. You truly are twisted.
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You're switching it again man. I wasn't talking about entitlement. You people oppose Sharon's policies, right? Do you think it would be better if Israel never left Gaza?- If you do then ok if you don't you're in contradiction with yourselves, AGAIN.
You agree that it's good for Palestinians in Gaza.Then before Israel left gaza it was bad for both Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. My point is that you guys are practicing demagogy and have no actual point with yout bashing rhetoric.
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You people oppose Sharon's policies, right?
Like I said at the beginning back in one of the other threads... I oppose Zionism.
The reason I hate Sharon is not because of "his" policies... it's because he's responsible for the deaths of a lot of innocent people.... which is basically what Zionism accomplishes.
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On the contray when I first heard the news I was really pleased, I was beginning to think they were serious about peace, if they had left Gaza without then shitting at the palestinians ever more in the west bank then yes it would have been good. However this is a case of giving with the one hand taking with the other. So if anything is a contradiction its Israeli saying it wants peace and here we are closing Gaza, whilst all the team building more settlements.
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^what are your SAT scores jamal?
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^what are your SAT scores jamal?
760 math
720 verbal
why?
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You could apply for Harvard with that shit
I was interested cause Ive never taken one and I also never talked to anyone who took one and basically don't know how 'hard' it is to achieve a certain score, so scores from others help me to get it into perspective
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You could apply for Harvard with that shit
I was interested cause Ive never taken one and I also never talked to anyone who took one and basically don't know how 'hard' it is to achieve a certain score, so scores from others help me to get it into perspective
Math is very easy... Algebra, Geometry, etc.. nothing advanced... the only thing is you have to make sure to take your time on a problem and assure yourself your answer is right because some of the questions look really easy, but they purposely put in a twist to make them a little tricky.
Verbal... reading comprehension... so just don't be like I Geezy and you'll be fine... and the rest is pretty much vocabulary (analogies, fill in the blank, etc)... so that's a "you know it or you don't"
Some schools also require the SAT II... which is again a math section... a writing section (grammar.. correcting sentences)... and the third subject is of your choice (bio, history, physics, chem, etc.)...
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The SAT's are different now. They took out the analogies and some math stuff and they also added a writing section for the SAT's I, so now to get a perfect score you have to get a 2400
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The SAT's are different now. They took out the analogies and some math stuff and they also added a writing section for the SAT's I, so now to get a perfect score you have to get a 2400
I heard they changed the test a little... but I didn't know they changed the scale... well that makes it better then...
I think they took out the quantitative reasoning in the math section... and analogies were probably the hardest part of the test.. so I guess this change is good as long as you don't have a problem with writing... I assume they'd focus on grammar, rather than style.
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Now as for reading comprehension. I asked whether you oppose the disengagement not whether you like Sharon.
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Now as for reading comprehension. I asked whether you oppose the disengagement not whether you like Sharon.
getting out of gazaa was a good move for both parties, but israel only moved those they evacuated into the west bank so it hasn't been this big jesture israel likes to make out...on the one hand they give back and with the other they take more
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israel only moved those they evacuated into the west bank
NO it didn't. Again I understand that you base your views upon lies and misconceptions but this needs to be pointed out for those who still value facts. Israel DIDN'T move those evacuated from Gaza into the West Bank. I wonder where you derive your disinformation from.
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Lol you talking about disinformation is such an irony I guess its better than your previous response. Your logic says that it doesnt matter if things are actually worse thanks to the new settlements its better because they pulled out of gaza. Even though this can't be true since they are taking more away then they are giving. As for the supposed disinformation this gives them new settlements to move into as even bigger community so whilst the settlements werent built for them, i am sure they will be wanting to move into the wonderful neighbouroohd (sarcasm).
P.S Looks like that terrorist Sharon is going to survive must be god saving for him for all his goodness, im gonna stop before I vomit ???
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As for lies and living in a deluded mind state JML exposes you every time. In fact he doesnt need to your very words expose you as a complete idiot lol. By all means though carry on, clowns like you just become more stupid all the time.
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Although this is what Don was referring to
Gaza Strip settlers may go to West Bank
Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Wednesday November 17, 2004
The Guardian
Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip and the northern West Bank will be able to use the compensation they receive from Israel to build homes in other West Bank settlements, the director of the agency responsible for evacuating settlers said yesterday.
Yonathan Bassi said the settlers would be able to spend their compensation wherever they wanted.
"They are free people - they can go where they want. They can go to Canada, Jerusalem or any of the settlements in the West Bank," he said.
Settlers who went to the West Bank would receive as much money as those who chose Jerusalem or Tel Aviv. Those who moved to the Negev or the Galilee, where there are big Arab populations, would receive a $30,000 (£16,000) bonus.
The news angered Palestinians, with the possibility of up to 9,000 settlers moving directly from Gaza to the West Bank.
Saeb Erekat, the chief Palestinian negotiator, said the transfer of settlers from Gaza and the northern West Bank to other settlements would "create more obstacles to peace". He said: "One of the main things that we have stressed about making the disengagement plan work is that they must be transferred to Israel. Moving them to the West Bank will kill the whole project and destroy the idea of evolving the peace process."
Ariel Sharon, Israel's prime minister, has said the Gaza disengagement did not replace the road map peace plan sponsored by George Bush and Tony Blair but was a unilateral action to improve security.
The plan called for a freeze on settlement activity, although the US and Israel agreed some building to cater for natural growth.
Palestinians believe the dismantling of the majority of West Bank settlements is vital for a viable Palestinian state. But an influx of up to 9,000 settlers would make evacua tion of these settlements more difficult under a future peace agreement.
The legislative phase of the disengagement plan is due to end in March. Between March and June, the army will prepare for the evacuation, which will take place during the summer. The government has decided that all private homes will be destroyed but is negotiating to sell the businesses. Mr Bassi said between one quarter and one third of settlers' families had contacted his office to inquire about compensation and relocation, although most insisted on complete secrecy.
Mr Bassi, who lives in a kibbutz inside Israel, has become a hate figure for settlers and the right, who have equated his job with that of a Nazi bureaucrat planning the deportation of Jews.
Despite the interest of some settlers in compensation, Mr Bassi said more than 50% had ignored his agency's calls. "Denial is the biggest problem. Some of the settlers seriously believe nothing will happen while the prime minister says that he is 100% certain it will happen. I still do not know if 90% of settlers will still be there next summer ..." he said.
Ranaan Gissin, an adviser to Mr Sharon, said the disengagement would continue regardless of Yasser Arafat's death. "We are involved in one disengagement," he said.
"The Palestinians need to disengage from violence and anarchy. If both prove successful then we can move to a position where we can get back to negotiations outlined by the road map."
· The Israeli economy has lost $12bn (£6.4bn) and the Palestinian economy $4.5bn as a result of the past four years of fighting, an Israeli economist said yesterday.
Danny Singerman, chief economist at the research firm Business Data Israel, said the intifada had cut the Palestinian GDP by about 30% and Israel's GDP by some 10%.
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My favourite part is the israelis insisting that palestinians stop with terrorism even though....
Israel assinates people
Bulldozes peoples homes
Mr Sharon himself and his 101 squad should know all about this of course
Rocket attack residential areas
Shoot palestinians who throw stones and this has been captured on tv footage before, shooting with live bullets
Destroys water supplies, which is exactly what they did in Jenin
Lol its so sick its funny, you fools must love being hypocrites
But here let me just emphasise something because your a brainless fool who will scream racism otherwise., Palestinians and Israelis alike anyone that massacres the innocent are scum. The difference is that we always see and hear every loss that the israelis suffer and each time they scream evil terrorists and it is they who claim the moral highground. Then of course there is that line about it doesnt matter if the palestinians have had this land for 10.000 years its our god given right bs.
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israel only moved those they evacuated into the west bank
NO it didn't. Again I understand that you base your views upon lies and misconceptions but this needs to be pointed out for those who still value facts. Israel DIDN'T move those evacuated from Gaza into the West Bank. I wonder where you derive your disinformation from.
Those who value facts? LOLLLL
Genetic researches on Ashkenazi Jews don't show any Khazar bloodline
A researcher deals with science and facts and wouldn't say all Jews didn't have Khazar bloodline because that would be a generalization. Generalization is something you're used to
:)
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JML you should have included the sig in which he says he doesnt believe facts lol
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Nothing that you might say changes the fact Israel did not evacuate people from Gaza to the West Bank. This was a lie I don't care what Don omitted. Most of them are scattered in what can only be called improvised refugee camps within Israel and among chip hotels.
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People Israel intentionally assassinates are all active terrorists.
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yea i did some research and i was wrong but still some moved to west bank creating new illegal settlements or joining existing ones
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Nothing that you might say changes the fact Israel did not evacuate people from Gaza to the West Bank. This was a lie I don't care what Don omitted. Most of them are scattered in what can only be called improvised refugee camps within Israel and among chip hotels.
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People Israel intentionally assassinates are all active terrorists.
Yes and it often requires bombing entire villages to "pinpoint" these guys, huh? Collateral damage? LOLL
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I wasn't talking about Palestinian refugees you challenged clown...lollol
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Nothing that you might say changes the fact Israel did not evacuate people from Gaza to the West Bank. This was a lie I don't care what Don omitted. Most of them are scattered in what can only be called improvised refugee camps within Israel and among chip hotels.
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People Israel intentionally assassinates are all active terrorists.
Yes and it often requires bombing entire villages to "pinpoint" these guys, huh? Collateral damage? LOLL
I wasn't talking about Palestinian refugees you challenged clown...lollol
Who said anything about Palestinian refugees? LOLLL you're a fucking retard man...
As stupid as you have come off... I'm not surprised.
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Read my sig and talk about "clown".... LOLLLL
Time to go into hiding again... and come back with another "riddle", huh?
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If the PLO/Fatah would be so kind to hunt them down to prevent future terrorist acts Israel wouldn't have to. The PLO doesn't need pinpointing, they know exactly where the terrorists are. Only proves they don't want peace and that they are interested in terrorist acts.
I thought that maybe there was more to your statement aside from proving my point, I'm sorry, my bad.
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yall know what i think of the jews.
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We do, try keeping it to yourself you fuckin skinhead.
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If the PLO/Fatah would be so kind to hunt them down to prevent future terrorist acts Israel wouldn't have to. The PLO doesn't need pinpointing, they know exactly where the terrorists are. Only proves they don't want peace and that they are interested in terrorist acts.
I thought that maybe there was more to your statement aside from proving my point, I'm sorry, my bad.
why shud they hunt the terrorists when israel aren't offering their land back? it would only create anarchy in the occupied territories and bring no benifit. until israel is serious about peace in my opinion its a legitimate way of fighting the occupation
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As long as they support terrorism (and as long as the world condones the use of terrorism), the Palestinians will suffer, and not only the ones cooperating with terrorists.
I don't mind you supporting terrorism like you do really, as long as you admit it. The thing I don't like is people being hypocrites and hiding their anti-Jewish/Nazi/terroristic views under politically correct flags. If you look up to terrorists so much you can come to the PA and join Hamas.
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the Palestinians will suffer, and not only the ones cooperating with terrorists.
I agree. Israel needs to stop with the atrocities.
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yall know what i think of the jews.
Yeah.. and you know what we think of you Bam Bam Bigelow.
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I agree. Israel needs to stop with the atrocities.
Israel does, and Israel is trying, but it can't get all them terrorists without the help of the PLO. :)
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Don your absolutely right if the palestinians start arresting those accused of terrorism it will create absolute bedlam and potentially a civil war. This of course would fall right into Israeli hands they want complete chaos. Think about the moment that happens it will no longer be about an illegal occupation and theft of land it will be about the civil war and how the arabs are tearing each other apart.
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I agree. Israel needs to stop with the atrocities.
Israel does, and Israel is trying, but it can't get all them terrorists without the help of the PLO. :)
Thank You... that's all I needed to hear. We both agree that Israel is carrying out atrocities and it needs to stop... therefore we also agree on the fact that innocent Palestinians are victims of these atrocities carried out by Israel... which means that... yes you guessed it... Palestinians have in one way or another been victims of Zionism.
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words from your great ariel sharon
Everyone there should move, should run, should grab more hills, expand the territory. Everything that's grabbed, will be in our hands. Everything we don't grab will be in their hands." — Ariel Sharon, as Israeli Foreign Minister, November 15, 1998
do u really think he is a man of peace?
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So the fact Israel is forced to defend itself from Palestinian terrorism through military operations makes those innocent Palestinians cought in the crossfire victims of Zionism?
Had the Palestinian Leadership given two shits about their people Israel wouldn't have to, otherwise Israel is forced to act! You know we can't go from house to house asking people if they are terrorists! The Palestinian Leadership could've ended this long ago but they are interested in terrorism...
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So the fact Israel is forced to defend itself from Palestinian terrorism through military operations makes those innocent Palestinians cought in the crossfire victims of Zionism?
Had the Palestinian Leadership given two shits about their people Israel wouldn't have to, otherwise Israel is forced to act! You know we can't go from house to house asking people if they are terrorists! The Palestinian Leadership could've ended this long ago but they are interested in terrorism...
Palestinians are defending themselves from Israeli terrorism aka military actions.
Israel is only forced to act because it chose to be in that position... they knew that stealing land wasn't gonna be that easy.
I guess Israel is also forced to build the wall on PALESTINIAN LAND... they couldn't build it on the border... yeah, it's all the Palestinians fault for Israel stealing their land... you make sense.
You're right... you can't go from house to house... so instead they bomb the entire village.... as long as we both know
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Israel is only forced to act because it chose to be in that position...
So for Israel it's a matter of choice to be attacked by terrorists?
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Israel is only forced to act because it chose to be in that position...
So for Israel it's a matter of choice to be attacked by terrorists?
"Has any People ever been seen to give up THEIR territory of their own free will? In the same way, the Arabs of Palestine will not renounce their sovereignty without violence" - Vladimir Jabotinsky (A Zionist faggot that I'm sure you're familiar with)
By the way, the Zionists are the ones who came to colonize the Palestinians' land... not the other way around.... so do you think it's the Palestinians' choice to be attacked by Zionist/Israeli terrorists(government)? I know your media will have you believe otherwise, but in actuality it's the Palestinians who are carrying out the "counter-terrorism" actions.
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God bless u i geezy. every day u bring a smile to my face no homo
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In other words you're saying that you support what the Palestinian terrorist groups are doing. That's all I needed really.
Jabotisnky was essentially in support of a peaceful solution and incorporation of Palestinian Arabs within a bi-national state. However he opposed the policy that called for no reprisals despite the serious loss of Jewish civilian life. Retaliation against one's attackers is self-defense, not terrorism. Palestinian terrorism is targeted at civilian population much more than it is targeted at the IDF. I'm glad you view the intentional murder of civilians as counter-terrorism since it proves my point even further.
Here is something from Jabotinsky. Something you love to disregard.
Jabotinsky Bi-national Palestine
1930:
"This writer, as some readers may have heard, is chauvinist and an extremist and generally a political cannibal, but he can produce documentary evidence of having always been a staunch adherent of the bi-national, even the multi-national state idea."
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You really are a victim of double think. A so called terrorist runs into a civilian complex and the israeli helicopters respond by firing several missiles indiscriminately at the building killing many civilians women and children. A peaceful protest in Gaza suddenly shattered by an israeli helicopter firing a missile into the crowd, killing scores of people? what happened to that so called investigation by the way?. An israeli bulldozer runs straight over a peace activist instantly crushing him to death. I will never forget the footage shown last year of an israeli soldier shooting down a street when suddenly he notices a palestinian father and his son cowering in the corner absolutely terrified as they are caught in no mans land. Without hesitation the soldier turns his rifle towards the two and shoots the father through the head. Again the Israeli army promised an investigation.
These are terrorist acts, you Geezy are a sck excuse for a human being as you ignore all this every time you try and take a moral high ground.
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Since you're basing your views on the shooting of the 12 year old Mohammed Al-Dura you should know that solid evidence was provided he wasn't shot by the IDF.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_alaqsa_dura.php
Since you're basing your views on half-truths I can understand how you are this brainwashed.
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This would be a lot easier to believe if it wasnt for the helicopter attack, why havent you explained this also?
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In other words you're saying that you support what the Palestinian terrorist groups are doing. That's all I needed really.
That's your assumption. I never stated anything to imply that, but if it makes losing an argument easier for you, then be it.
Jabotisnky was essentially in support of a peaceful solution and incorporation of Palestinian Arabs within a bi-national state. However he opposed the policy that called for no reprisals despite the serious loss of Jewish civilian life.Retaliation against one's attackers is self-defense, not terrorism.
So Palestinians are defending themselves against their attacker... by your definition it's self-defense... I was gonna say counter-terrorism, but we can use yours.
Palestinian terrorism is targeted at civilian population much more than it is targeted at the IDF. I'm glad you view the intentional murder of civilians as counter-terrorism since it proves my point even further.
IDF terrorism is ONLY targeted at civilians.
Here is something from Jabotinsky. Something you love to disregard.
Jabotinsky Bi-national Palestine
1930:
"This writer, as some readers may have heard, is chauvinist and an extremist and generally a political cannibal, but he can produce documentary evidence of having always been a staunch adherent of the bi-national, even the multi-national state idea."
I don't know what this has to do with anything... I don't care about his stance... I was just presenting the quote to show you that the Zionists knew the NATIVE PALESTINIAN population that they were killing and driving off the land was going to retaliate.
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JML you responded in the other topic but remember they didnt drive palestinians off their land, palestinians fled because of lies that were told about the jews massacring remember? and Sharon didnt bulldoze people in their own homes thats a lie also, according to Geezy that is.
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IDF targets terrorists- civilians die in the process, hard to tell who is who. Terrorists target civilians- By definition their actions are not defensive.
You said that you regard the actions of Palestinian militant groups as anti-terrorism. You said that you don't support terrorism.
This is simple deduction mate, you support Palestinian militants' actions.
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^ u make these red neck americans look like classical sophisticated oxford educated internationalists
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Much easier than actually presenting an argument, isn't it homie?^^^
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Geezy do you think Israel has a right to keep palestinian land?
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Erase that, I already know you will say yes :(
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Define Palestinian Land...lol
Do you think the Jewish People are entitled to a state?
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Define Palestinian Land...lol
Do you think the Jewish People are entitled to a state?
If it means killing and removing the indigenous population of a land and not allowing them to return... then No.
Let me ask you this... in the case of Europeans coming to America... were the Native Americans the victims or the Europeans?
Any person with even a minimal amount of common sense and knowledge will tell you it was obviously the Native Americans.
Now just switch America with Palestine, and Native Americans with Palestinians and you have yourself the truth.
Also, ask yourself... who was living there, and who arrived to colonize... that will tell you who has "claim" to the land.
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Your analogy is flawed.
Europeans who came to colonize America already had national homes/countries.
Europeans who came to colonize America weren't persecuted because they didn't have a national home.
Europeans who came to colonize America wanted to force their culture and religion on the native population.
Jews came back to their Historical homeland, from which they were exiled, to save themselves from Anti-semitism.
Jews didn't have a national home
Jews were persecuted for centuries because they didn't have a national home
Jews didn't come with an intention to force anything on the native population
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Your analogy is flawed.
Europeans who came to colonize America already had national homes/countries.
Europeans who came to colonize America weren't persecuted because they didn't have a national home.
Europeans who came to colonize America wanted to force their culture and religion on the native population.
Jews came back to their Historical homeland, from which they were exiled, to save themselves from Anti-semitism.
Jews didn't have a national home
Jews were persecuted for centuries because they didn't have a national home
Jews didn't come with an intention to force anything on the native population
The reasons you have provided.... none of them justify killing and removing an indigenous population off their land and not allowing them to return.
You're right about one thing... they didn't force anything on the native population... what are they gonna force on them if they drive them off their own land?
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So it's about justification now.
Does the fact Jews came to settle on the same piece of land, give people the right to kill Jews?...If that's your ideology, I'm not surprised we're still having this debate.
When it is a question of survival.
When Jews are being slaughtered in the only place in the world where they expected to live in peace, after years of persecution and oppression in Europe.
When for the first time in 2000 years the Jewish People can finally establish a national home- A REFUGE, first and formost due to persecution elsewhere.
Aggression can't be tolerated.
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In reality we all know that jews have massacred the palestinians before, we know that sharons infamous squad bulldozed peoples homes with the people stay inside them, we know that israel has deliberately destroyed palestinian water supplies before, we know that israel has driven the natives off their land and we know that sharon allowed the massacres in refugee camps. Your absolutely right aggression shouldnt be tolerated if the so called civilised world gave a shit they would have put a stop to israels sickening abuses but they dont they just bankroll them all the more, provide them with yet more military hardware.
The prime example of this was Israel massacring the members on board the USS LIberty that in itself is an act of war and yet the U.S reward them with yet more "aid". The collusion is disgusting, no one seems to give a fuck if a palestinian dies or lives.
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Thing is, you assume or try to convince yourself some of the tragic accidetns that occured, during certain military operations by the IDF, were premeditated.
Whether Palestinian Militants are targeting civilians isn't even debated, it's a fact!
Every and each one of your posts comes to indoctrinate terrorism! You're trying to justify the murder of civilians through assumptions, and misonconceptions you've got, about the IDF and Israel's Agenda.
I'm a first person witness to IDF's moral code, from inside. You don't have to believe me since what I'm saying is factual- it makes no difference whether you believe me or not, THE IDF, AS AN INSTITUTION, IS AMONG THE MOST MORALLY AWARE MILITARY ORGANIZATIONS IN THE WORLD!
How many armies in the world can claim to have a warning mechanism for civilians at times of war.
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So it's about justification now.
Does the fact Jews came to settle on the same piece of land, give people the right to kill Jews?...If that's your ideology, I'm not surprised we're still having this debate.
When it is a question of survival.
When Jews are being slaughtered in the only place in the world where they expected to live in peace, after years of persecution and oppression in Europe.
When for the first time in 2000 years the Jewish People can finally establish a national home- A REFUGE, first and formost due to persecution elsewhere.
Aggression can't be tolerated.
1. Jews didn't simply come to "settle" the land. Are you now going to deny the whole definition of Zionism?
2. The Jews were carrying out attacks on Palestinians.
3. Palestinian people have the right to defend THEIR land. If some group of European colonizers is trying to steal the land and create their own country on it, then yes, the Palestinian people have the right to do so. Your own faggot Zionist leaders of the past have acknowledged this.
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Jews came to settle, contrary to wondering from place to place.
Jews came to create a national refuge from Anti-semitism.
Jews didn't exclude bi-national statehood, nor did they exclude two states co-existing side by side.
You're right people have the right to defend their land. Question is, why didn't they?
Why did these large numbers of people leave their land when they were closest to statehood?
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Jews came to settle, contrary to wondering from place to place.
Jews came to create a national refuge from Anti-semitism.
Jews didn't exclude bi-national statehood, nor did they exclude two states co-existing side by side.
You're right people have the right to defend their land. Question is, why didn't they?
Why did these large numbers of people leave their land when they were closest to statehood?
LOLLL @ they didn't exlude bi-national statehood.... NO SHIT... that's like somebody coming to your house and telling you "I'm willing to share it with you"... I can't believe you wouldn't be willing to do that... fucking retard man.
They left because the Zionist terrorist groups were carrying out massacres.
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Zionist terrorists have been active in bombings in Iran, Egypt and in fact all over the middle east. In fact one of labours female mp's who is half jewish said that we should all recognise that Israel got its way through terrorism.
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This is where it ends up JML to deny the holocaust is evil but to deny the massacres is correct, next thing is he will say it was egypt who attacked the USS Liberty not Israel. So in the end all he can resort to is saying you support the terrorists!, lol its so pathetic and predictable. Lets not forget people like him even have a slur for jewish people who are honest, they cant call them anti semetic, so they have to call them self hating jews instead.
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You can talk to each other if that helps you feel better with the bullshit you guys are coming up with.
Someone coming to my house to share it with me? So you're saying Arabs have some sort of natural claim to this land? regardless of mandates it was under?
It's more like if you rent an apartment and then someone comes and tells you you won't need to rent it anymore but you can own it, thanks to me, only if we can share it!
May I remind you that Arab imperialism is what made the Arab population on this land so dominant. Or do you choose again to disregard history?
The Israeli left wing is something you're failing to grasp my friend. What every politician is willing to say for votes is no different in the Israeli democracy. Don't forget we also have a large Arab population(20%) in Israel- they are also voters. I think it's only a showcase of the ideological diversity in Israel. This is something you don't get in terroristic/totalitarian states like Iran, Egypt etc . I wonder where's the Jewish representation in the Palestinian parliament. I clearly recall that Jews can also be "Palestinian" by definition if they were born on this territory before so and so according to their declaration. Oh wait, do they have a Parliament?....lol
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So you're saying Arabs have some sort of natural claim to this land?
Think about it.... a person living there at the time of the Zionists' arrival isn't allowed to live there anymore... but some Zionists from Europe are? You want to talk about claim? LOLL get the fuck outta here
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Shouldn't have left if they wanted to live on this land, when they were granted with a state. :)
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ok for the ones that stayed israel has not allowed new buildings or modification for example east jureseluem is exactly the same it was since the 1967 war.....