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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Lincoln on January 10, 2006, 08:10:46 AM
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Harper's way up in the polls, but I'm trying not to get too excited, the only poll that matters is the one of the 23rd. I'm really glad to see that Quebecers are opening up to the Tories as a good federalist alternative. I'm also glad that Dumont is helping them out and that Premier Charest is showing general support.
Martin looks tired, old, and out of ideas. It's gonna be a huge smear campaign for the next 2 weeks.
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kick the bloc quebequois or however u spell it out of politics. im not old enough to vote but my parents said u cant even vote for them here on the westcoast even if u wanted. what the fuck r they doin in canadian politics cuz they def not for canada as a nation. the green party has more legitimacy as all canadians can vote for them and even though this has nuttin to do wit anything that duceppe looks like a pure blood swindling rascist.
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I support the bloc. If Quebec wants to leave, let em.
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kick the bloc quebequois or however u spell it out of politics. im not old enough to vote but my parents said u cant even vote for them here on the westcoast even if u wanted. what the fuck r they doin in canadian politics cuz they def not for canada as a nation. the green party has more legitimacy as all canadians can vote for them and even though this has nuttin to do wit anything that duceppe looks like a pure blood swindling rascist.
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I think the smearing it stupid and tasteless. Let your politics speak for you. I'm still leaning towards Conservative because I feel a change is good and if they go too far withg anything a new election will come about the second they do. I almost don't want to vote for them out of spite. Their ads are filled with insults and self praising bullshit. I don't know whether to be upset with them or with the people for showing over the years that shit like this works.
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blah i cant vote i dont think i ever will do i even giva shit?
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^^^ u should make sure u vote. voting is such a privelege that canadians take for granted. where i come from in south africa my parents werent allowed to vote because of the colour of their skin(chinese descent) and in many other nations there are restrictions on people being allowed to vote. it should be every canadian over the age of 18 priority to cast a ballot and if u dont vote then u shouldnt complain about the way the govt is being run as yall had a voice but didnt use it.
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I'm trying so hard not to be excited with these polls....but the Tories have risen ABOVE the Grits in La Belle Province and the Bloc has fallen below 50. And I don't think you'll find many people disputing that Harper definetly has the most momentum in the next week and a half.
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My friend informed me a couple of weeks ago that despite the fact that I live in the U.S.A. I can still vote in the Canadian elections since I'm still a citizen (I just turned 18). Sweet. I loved politics growing up, but since I moved out of Canada (3 1/2 years ago) politics have changed so much and I never had much time to keep up with it. In a simpiler time I would of easly voted for the liberals, but in 2006 my pick is still up for grabs. Who to vote for? :eh: ??? :-\
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im still 16
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The Liberals are getting very desperate. Watch this (http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/audio/ProudToBeCanadian.ca_CTV_Liberal_ad_Cancelled.wmv) television ad they made.
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(http://conservative.ca/media/resampled/articleMenuElement/1580/resampled_20060111-topstory-napkin.jpg)
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The Liberals are getting very desperate. Watch this (http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/audio/ProudToBeCanadian.ca_CTV_Liberal_ad_Cancelled.wmv) television ad they made.
"We are not making this up." :laugh:
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kick the bloc quebequois or however u spell it out of politics. im not old enough to vote but my parents said u cant even vote for them here on the westcoast even if u wanted. what the fuck r they doin in canadian politics cuz they def not for canada as a nation. the green party has more legitimacy as all canadians can vote for them and even though this has nuttin to do wit anything that duceppe looks like a pure blood swindling rascist.
the bloc is there to protect quebecers from evil federalist like jean chretien paul martin pierre eliott trudeau, well every corrupted politicians that will make everything to put us in the dirt. duceppe is the most competent guy in this mutha. did ya know that they change the formula of the debates because the 3 chiefs of the other parties were affraid to debate face to face with him? that mothafucka know wassup. And dont argue it aint true, it was written black on white in the gazette
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http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060111/elxn_dumont_conservatives_060112
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PM Martin Threatens Notwithstanding Clause, Ignores Promise to Protect Church Rights
By Gudrun Schultz
OTTAWA, Ontario, January 10, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Prime Minister Paul Martin, who in 2003 indicated he might use the notwithstanding clause to protect churches from performing gay ‘marriages’, said last night the first act of a new Liberal government would be to remove the clause from the Constitution.
LifeSiteNews.com reported on Dec. 19, 2003 that on CBC radio Martin expressed a willingness to use the notwithstanding clause to protect churches. "I would look at it if it was a question of affirming a (religious) right," he said.
However, in the English leaders debate last night in Ottawa Martin said, “[T]he first act of a new Liberal government is going to be removing, by Constitutional means, the possibility for the federal government to use the notwithstanding clause, because quite simply, I think governance says that the courts shouldn't be overturned by politicians.”
The notwithstanding clause is an override power which allows parliament to overturn court decisions on Charter issues.
Gwen Landolt, vice president of Real Women of Canada, said it was alarming to hear of a decision with such profound ramifications.
“The implications are frightening. The clause is there to put a control mechanism on the courts. It is beyond belief that one would allow the handpicked appointees of the courts to operate without check.”
Landolt said the Supreme Court has already altered the Constitution by writing in protection for same-sex relationships that was not originally present.
“[Such actions] are not based on law, precedent, or legal principle. They are simply from the judges’ own heads.”
Conservative leader Stephen Harper said he believes the notwithstanding clause creates a necessary balance of power between parliament and the courts.
“[T]here is a danger in saying that the courts, regardless of the decision, will always be right. Our Charter and our Constitution sets up the dialogue where there’s a balance between parliamentary supremacy and the supremacy of the courts. That’s the balance I support,” Harper said in the debate last night.
See the text of last night’s debate at:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060109...=
See previous LifeSiteNews.com report
Martin Promises to Use Notwithstanding Clause, to allow Free Votes and Let MPs Vet Proposed Senators
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/dec/03121902.html
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Boy was that a stupid idea, sounded like Martin pulled it out of his ass during the debate. Ironic that he claims Harper wants to make Canada more like the US, but removing Section 33 would make us just like America by making the courts supreme over elected officials.
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I think that "policy" just slipped out during the debate. It wasn't even in the Red Book.
I'm watching this clown right now on CBC trying to cover his ass over those television ads.
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I think that "policy" just slipped out during the debate. It wasn't even in the Red Book.
Yeah no doubt, he's just trying to make Harper look like he'll use the nw clause to override same sex marriage even though the courts ruled that the definition of marriage was up to Parliament.
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http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060111/elxn_dumont_conservatives_060112
i voted for this dude in the past, i would vote for him again, he's nice, got great ideas. too bad medias destroyed his image and he won't ever get the chance to get elected
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Ha ha , The Liberal Empire is crumbling!!!
Go Harper.
Im voting Conservative!
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http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060111/elxn_dumont_conservatives_060112
i voted for this dude in the past, i would vote for him again, he's nice, got great ideas. too bad medias destroyed his image and he won't ever get the chance to get elected
If I lived in Quebec he'd have my support in a heartbeat, both voting and volunteering. One of the best leaders in the country in my opinion. He should join the federal Conservatives in my opinion, he'd be able to weild a lot of influence and have a high position.
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Ha ha , The Liberal Empire is crumbling!!!
Go Harper.
Im voting Conservative!
Fuck yeah! Good to have you on our side Tech!
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6 Main things I want to see with this election
1. A Harper win, preferably a majority
2. At least 5 Tories from Quebec
3.The Bloc to obtain less than 50% of the vote
4. Martin to lose his own seat
5. Svend Robinson not win his riding
6. McLellan losing her seat
Everyone should come up with 6 things, it would be interesting to see.
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1. Decent status for the NDP
2. minority or majority, i want an efficient govt that wont be delayed by conflict
3. fuck michael ignatieff
4. fuck svend robinson
5. martin resigning
6. mckenna leading the liberals for the next go around
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1. The Conservatives win 154 seats then pick another one up somehow a week later. (I have money on a Conservative minority but want to see a majority)
2. Ignatieff and Stronach don't win seats.
3. NDP get under 22.5 seats.
4. A free voted on safe sex marriage occurs and the traditional definition of marriage wins. (I could really care less about this but it's amusing to see all these idiots fight over this stupid "issue")
5. Let the Greens get a seat. (don't really care about them but I kinda fell sorry for 'em)
6. Paul Martin retires.
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1. a minority govt
2. NDP get a decent number of seats to have a voice in politics
3. the Bloc to get as few seats as possible
4. whoever gets elected show the west coast some love.
5. addressing the issues of these ridiculous post secondary tuition prices(these kids are the future)
6. greens to get a seat or two.
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1. quebec become an independant country
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1. a minority govt
2. NDP get a decent number of seats to have a voice in politics
3. the Bloc to get as few seats as possible
4. whoever gets elected show the west coast some love.
5. addressing the issues of these ridiculous post secondary tuition prices(these kids are the future)
6. greens to get a seat or two.
Education = Provincial responsibility.
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^^^o for real i didnt know that. so the govt cant do anything no matter what. so i guess all this talk of paul martin lowering tuition prices for students' first and last years of post secondary is all political bullshit? and i thought i read that the conservatives are like paying $300 for students textbooks or sumthin
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^^^o for real i didnt know that. so the govt cant do anything no matter what. so i guess all this talk of paul martin lowering tuition prices for students' first and last years of post secondary is all political bullshit? and i thought i read that the conservatives are like paying $300 for students textbooks or sumthin
See the thing is technically Martin can sign deals with the Premiers to lower fees but the problem is Premiers don't tend to like their jurisdiction having federal involvement, and it would likely end up with a bunch of meetings that go nowhere because Martin has no balls when it comes to the provinces.
Now the textbook thing ($500) would work out because it would be a tax deduction. I think that would work out well.
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Well, today is the day, predictions?
Conservative - 135
NDP - 40
Bloc - 58
Liberals - 73
Green - 2
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^^^ good prediction
2 seats for the greens isnt that quite a bit for them?
i read somewhere that the bloc might be the minority get the 2nd most seats and be the offical opposition. what would that mean for the rest of canada as they dont give a shit bout everyone else?
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^^^ good prediction
2 seats for the greens isnt that quite a bit for them?
i read somewhere that the bloc might be the minority get the 2nd most seats and be the offical opposition. what would that mean for the rest of canada as they dont give a shit bout everyone else?
2 is a lot for the Greens but I could see it happening.
Bloc as official opposition means nothing really, they were there 1993-1997 as well. It's just a consitutional convention.
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so with ur conservatives most likely to win what do u think is gonna be some major changes in the govt?
do u think there gonna shy away from the kyoto accord? cuz i wouldnt like that too happen? and do u think theyre gonna send actual troops to iraq?
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so with ur conservatives most likely to win what do u think is gonna be some major changes in the govt?
do u think there gonna shy away from the kyoto accord? cuz i wouldnt like that too happen? and do u think theyre gonna send actual troops to iraq?
I doubt there will be any radical changes, unfortunately, do to a minority government.
Kyoto, maybe pull out. Their plan is better anyways, the US has already shown that by using a plan that is made specifically for one's country it works better than Kyoto.
There will be no troops going to Iraq, I very much doubt that. Fearmongering on Paul Martin's end.
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No way will we go to Iraq.
As for the environment, Kyoto really means nothing. The Liberals signed it and emissions went up, you have actually do something about the problem. Just signing a piece of paper won't do anything. You can lower emissions and be good to the environment without being a part of Kyoto.
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i juss came bak from votin.
originally wasnt gonna vote.
but then i wuda felt guilty if i dint vote for the party i felt wuda been the best.
i wont say who i voted for, but it givez me peice of my mind that i tried to help the party wud do the best to win.
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No way will we go to Iraq.
As for the environment, Kyoto really means nothing. The Liberals signed it and emissions went up, you have actually do something about the problem. Just signing a piece of paper won't do anything. You can lower emissions and be good to the environment without being a part of Kyoto.
Agreed.
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I got pulled over on my way to vote >:(
I got off with a warning tho :)
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Is there many types of voting systems in Canada? And what kind are out there?
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damn, the liberals are really that bad up in canada?
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From the vibe im seeing, it seems that the liberals just bitch and do nothing about their whining. You cant go anywhere with that attitude
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Is there many types of voting systems in Canada? And what kind are out there?
Westminster Parliament style.
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Kicking ass, 6 seats in Quebec baby!
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Congratulations to our new Prime Minister!
(http://godscopybook.blogs.com/gpb/images/stephen_harper.jpg)
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Congratulations to our new Prime Minister!
(http://godscopybook.blogs.com/gpb/images/stephen_harper.jpg)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Damn, the conservaties won 7 seat of 7 in quebec's region, i'm very proud of that. I was working at the elections, made 250 bucks today sitting in a chair and listenning to good music. I voted for the conservatives candidate too. It sucks they are a minority governement though, but maybe they will make alliances with the bloc cuz the bloc was originally made by frustrated conservatives
I still can't believe ontario voted for liberals, they are fuckin biased, we should kick them out of the country cuz the main reason quebec want to separate is ontario, not the other provinces. Yo they voted for that bitch, what's her name.. belinda stronach? ok she's fine but come on, she was a traitor the her party and husband how can you vote for an opportunist like her. :scarface:
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Damn, the conservaties won 7 seat of 7 in quebec's region, i'm very proud of that. I was working at the elections, made 250 bucks today sitting in a chair and listenning to good music. I voted for the conservatives candidate too. It sucks they are a minority governement though, but maybe they will make alliances with the bloc cuz the bloc was originally made by frustrated conservatives
I still can't believe ontario voted for liberals, they are fuckin biased, we should kick them out of the country cuz the main reason quebec want to separate is ontario, not the other provinces. Yo they voted for that bitch, what's her name.. belinda stronach? ok she's fine but come on, she was a traitor the her party and husband how can you vote for an opportunist like her. :scarface:
Looks like it might actually be 8 in Quebec, fucking great news.
And yes, Ontario sucks and I am ashamed to be from there. And Stronach........ well there's no whore like an old whore.
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Damn, the conservaties won 7 seat of 7 in quebec's region, i'm very proud of that. I was working at the elections, made 250 bucks today sitting in a chair and listenning to good music. I voted for the conservatives candidate too. It sucks they are a minority governement though, but maybe they will make alliances with the bloc cuz the bloc was originally made by frustrated conservatives
I still can't believe ontario voted for liberals, they are fuckin biased, we should kick them out of the country cuz the main reason quebec want to separate is ontario, not the other provinces. Yo they voted for that bitch, what's her name.. belinda stronach? ok she's fine but come on, she was a traitor the her party and husband how can you vote for an opportunist like her. :scarface:
Looks like it might actually be 8 in Quebec, fucking great news.
And yes, Ontario sucks and I am ashamed to be from there. And Stronach........ well there's no whore like an old whore.
You may as well say you're ashamed of being from Canada. If the tables were turned and the Tories were in power the last while and they were caught in a scandal of the same magnitude, I'd be shocked to see Alberta all of a sudden vote Liberal, so why would Ontario all of a sudden vote Tory?
I think it's better for the Tories to have a test run first anyway.
Hypothetically speaking, if Harper did win a majority and decided to join Bush in Iraq, where would you stand on that? (not that I think he would have, but I do think he may have 3 years ago when the war started).
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Damn, the conservaties won 7 seat of 7 in quebec's region, i'm very proud of that. I was working at the elections, made 250 bucks today sitting in a chair and listenning to good music. I voted for the conservatives candidate too. It sucks they are a minority governement though, but maybe they will make alliances with the bloc cuz the bloc was originally made by frustrated conservatives
I still can't believe ontario voted for liberals, they are fuckin biased, we should kick them out of the country cuz the main reason quebec want to separate is ontario, not the other provinces. Yo they voted for that bitch, what's her name.. belinda stronach? ok she's fine but come on, she was a traitor the her party and husband how can you vote for an opportunist like her. :scarface:
Looks like it might actually be 8 in Quebec, fucking great news.
And yes, Ontario sucks and I am ashamed to be from there. And Stronach........ well there's no whore like an old whore.
You may as well say you're ashamed of being from Canada. If the tables were turned and the Tories were in power the last while and they were caught in a scandal of the same magnitude, I'd be shocked to see Alberta all of a sudden vote Liberal, so why would Ontario all of a sudden vote Tory?
I think it's better for the Tories to have a test run first anyway.
Hypothetically speaking, if Harper did win a majority and decided to join Bush in Iraq, where would you stand on that? (not that I think he would have, but I do think he may have 3 years ago when the war started).
I agree, I am just very disapointed that Ontario still went half Liberal, even after everything.
I would not support troops going to Iraq.
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Damn, the conservaties won 7 seat of 7 in quebec's region, i'm very proud of that. I was working at the elections, made 250 bucks today sitting in a chair and listenning to good music. I voted for the conservatives candidate too. It sucks they are a minority governement though, but maybe they will make alliances with the bloc cuz the bloc was originally made by frustrated conservatives
I still can't believe ontario voted for liberals, they are fuckin biased, we should kick them out of the country cuz the main reason quebec want to separate is ontario, not the other provinces. Yo they voted for that bitch, what's her name.. belinda stronach? ok she's fine but come on, she was a traitor the her party and husband how can you vote for an opportunist like her. :scarface:
Looks like it might actually be 8 in Quebec, fucking great news.
And yes, Ontario sucks and I am ashamed to be from there. And Stronach........ well there's no whore like an old whore.
You may as well say you're ashamed of being from Canada. If the tables were turned and the Tories were in power the last while and they were caught in a scandal of the same magnitude, I'd be shocked to see Alberta all of a sudden vote Liberal, so why would Ontario all of a sudden vote Tory?
I think it's better for the Tories to have a test run first anyway.
Hypothetically speaking, if Harper did win a majority and decided to join Bush in Iraq, where would you stand on that? (not that I think he would have, but I do think he may have 3 years ago when the war started).
I agree, I am just very disapointed that Ontario still went half Liberal, even after everything.
I would not support troops going to Iraq.
Well you have to remember that there isn't much of a choice in many Ontarians eyes. They don't want conservative and they don't think NDP can win. It's kind of like New York. No matter how bad the Democrats are they will still vote for them to go against the republicans. Plus the immigrants all vote liberal and that has a lot of the vote. Here in Scarborough there are about 5 ridings that not only went Liberal but extremely liberal. In my riding it was 22,000 Lib, with 8,000 Tory. It wasn't even close. Anmd the other ridings were no different. The reason is most of the population which are immigrants have a sense of loyalty for the MPs who all have been in parliament for 12 to 18 years. Those MPs were the ones that helped get the families of many of the men over to Canada, and the men tell their children and wives to vote liberal.
Is it fair or logical? Maybe not, but that's the way it is.
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Damn, the conservaties won 7 seat of 7 in quebec's region, i'm very proud of that. I was working at the elections, made 250 bucks today sitting in a chair and listenning to good music. I voted for the conservatives candidate too. It sucks they are a minority governement though, but maybe they will make alliances with the bloc cuz the bloc was originally made by frustrated conservatives
I still can't believe ontario voted for liberals, they are fuckin biased, we should kick them out of the country cuz the main reason quebec want to separate is ontario, not the other provinces. Yo they voted for that bitch, what's her name.. belinda stronach? ok she's fine but come on, she was a traitor the her party and husband how can you vote for an opportunist like her. :scarface:
Looks like it might actually be 8 in Quebec, fucking great news.
And yes, Ontario sucks and I am ashamed to be from there. And Stronach........ well there's no whore like an old whore.
You may as well say you're ashamed of being from Canada. If the tables were turned and the Tories were in power the last while and they were caught in a scandal of the same magnitude, I'd be shocked to see Alberta all of a sudden vote Liberal, so why would Ontario all of a sudden vote Tory?
I think it's better for the Tories to have a test run first anyway.
Hypothetically speaking, if Harper did win a majority and decided to join Bush in Iraq, where would you stand on that? (not that I think he would have, but I do think he may have 3 years ago when the war started).
I agree, I am just very disapointed that Ontario still went half Liberal, even after everything.
I would not support troops going to Iraq.
Well you have to remember that there isn't much of a choice in many Ontarians eyes. They don't want conservative and they don't think NDP can win. It's kind of like New York. No matter how bad the Democrats are they will still vote for them to go against the republicans. Plus the immigrants all vote liberal and that has a lot of the vote. Here in Scarborough there are about 5 ridings that not only went Liberal but extremely liberal. In my riding it was 22,000 Lib, with 8,000 Tory. It wasn't even close. Anmd the other ridings were no different. The reason is most of the population which are immigrants have a sense of loyalty for the MPs who all have been in parliament for 12 to 18 years. Those MPs were the ones that helped get the families of many of the men over to Canada, and the men tell their children and wives to vote liberal.
Is it fair or logical? Maybe not, but that's the way it is.
Yeah, the immigrant vote does seem to lock Liberal seats, I guess I might feel the same way if a party had let me in the country.
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its not even about lettin into the country, cuz alot of immigrants are mulroney immigrants. i was.
its simply no right wing western rural based party is gettin love in urban immigrant communities