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To the muthaphukka that said....
« on: March 02, 2003, 10:45:41 AM »
Lewis would beat Ali 'cause he was a bigger heavyweight, listening to all them boxing experts say that little Heavyweights (modern era) can't beat the Super-Heaveyweights (post-modern era), well look at Roy Jones vs. Johnny Ruiz, and I say fuck you, you just got a dick in your mouth after that. Ladies and Gentlemen, Roy Jones proved it's not the size of a fighter, but heart and skillz. In the tradition of Ali, Roy Jones shooked the world, made history, and proved the Modern era Heavyweight ain't over yet. They actually maybe the greatest era of Heavyweights ever.
 

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Re:To the muthaphukka that said....
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2003, 04:40:07 PM »
lol@lewis beatin ali..........man i think ppl got nerve to even say that, specailly comin from some experts..........................theres only one nigga ali and thats that

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2003, 10:51:01 PM »
i thought roy jones said he was only going to do this one heavyweight fight.
 

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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2003, 07:19:19 AM »
lenox lewis is not john ruiz....not even close...and yes i (along with other boxing experts) will say lenox lewis would defeat ali one on one...even SI noted that ali was one of the most overrated atheletes ever(i agree 100%)....lewis is too big, and his jab would be too much for ali...who had tons of trouble with joe fraziers jab...and you cant say i havent seen ali fights cause ive seen tons of them on espn classic....(many of them wich he loses)...i think cashes clay did many other things(politcal infuences) that made him stand out more...and lenox lewis doesnt get a lot of publicity and many havent seen what a skilled boxer he really is.  you get a lot of people living in the past...that swear athletes of yesterday would beat the athletes of today...but when the athletes of today are bigger, stonger, faster and more skilled than they were 30 years ago...and would make a mismatch...just like if we could take a time machine and send lennox lewis to fight cashes clay...it would be a mismatch
 

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Re:To the muthaphukka that said....
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2003, 08:30:09 AM »
LMAO... he only gots 5 loses, one to Frazier, the others his over 37 so come one now. Ken Norton, Leon Spinks, Larry Holmes, I mean they are all great fights, but consider Ali won his first title in 64, and all those fights came after '78, Lewis won his first title in '93, and that likes his still fighting in '07, which in 4 years, he'll be old as shit, and it's really not about age, but the punched you take. (after all, Ali had a very long career, and look at him, were as George Foreman fought when he was very old, but not in many fights.) So those loses were not even relievent. And the too big theory. Size doesn't matter, skill and speed does if the smaller person is a Roy Jones. And Lewis ain't that fast, he gots a good jab, and a good right to follow, not much. I've been watching Lewis for along time, Ali would beat him, 'cause I've watched a lot of Ali. Don't believe the media hype, Ali was the greatest, no questions asked. Don't believe it, ask him... LMAO.
 

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2003, 10:00:00 AM »
One phrase...

Rope a Dope Trick

Ali may not be the greatest-Sugar Ray Leonard is also in there, as is Sugar Ray WhateverHisNameIs, and Foreman and Frazier weren't bad...

But Lewis, though a good boxer, is nowhere close.

Ali, at first relied on speed. When he got older, he got incredibly tough. That's why rope a dope worked.

Also, it works on a scale. Lewis takes legal steroids, Ali didn't. Lewis would be artificially stronger.
 

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2003, 10:09:36 AM »
 ::) ...we could debate this for weeks...but you bring up a good point...this is the greatest era of heavyweights...its just the public doesnt cover boxing like it used to (like when cashes clay was fighting)...and lenox lewis is by far the best heavyweight...and its not just his size...its his skill(lenox lewis not fast????) and technical fighting ability....his reach is tremendous...and his jab is the best ever...and his power....the only way anyone will ever have a chance against him is with one punch power(his two looses were one punch wonders)....i think cashes clay was a great fighter...but not even close to be the best(his politcal influences gave him tons of coverage and him constantly running at the mouth)....5 loses are 5 loses...and he was out boxed in those fights...and in only the larry holmes fight did i think he was too old...lenox lewis is 37 now...and i dont see him getting mopped up by anyone because of his age...and seeing cashes clay now...who do you think go the best of the ali-frazier fights???.....i'm not really even a fan of lenox lewis... but he doesnt get the respect he deserves...boxing isnt nearly as popular as it once was.....30 years ago boxing was the second biggest sport(baseball#1)...m-dogg..i do respect your opinions but i just think you're living in the past and wont except that todays athletes are superior to that of 30 years ago
 

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Re:To the muthaphukka that said....
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2003, 10:16:02 AM »
One phrase...

Rope a Dope Trick

Ali may not be the greatest-Sugar Ray Leonard is also in there, as is Sugar Ray WhateverHisNameIs, and Foreman and Frazier weren't bad...

But Lewis, though a good boxer, is nowhere close.

Ali, at first relied on speed. When he got older, he got incredibly tough. That's why rope a dope worked.

Also, it works on a scale. Lewis takes legal steroids, Ali didn't. Lewis would be artificially stronger.
legal steriods???....you really have no idea what you are talking about do you....what do you mean prohoromones, creatine, ephedrine  ::)...these are not steriods or is anything on the market now unless you get them illegally....and you forgot to point out that 30 years ago d-bol, deca and other currently illegal substances where legal and where used by athletes in many many sports, and where much much more potent drugs compared to the sporting supplements used today...im not saying cashes clay used them....but he could have and no one would have known
 

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2003, 11:08:08 AM »
You mix dumb insults with normal conversation well. Your training is complete, my dumb, I mean young, apprentice.

And yeah, he could have used them, but he was a Muslim most of his career. He went to prison and probably got raped for his beliefs, why would he break them to win a dumb boxing match?

Anyways, Rocky Marciana is the greatest.
 

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Re:To the muthaphukka that said....
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2003, 03:23:35 PM »
yes we agree marciano is the greatest

and as i thought you know nothing about sports nutrition or steriods
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Re:To the muthaphukka that said....
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2003, 03:50:51 PM »
Tha funny thing is, Roy Jones would beat the SHIT out of Ali!


Theres no discountin who Ali is, or what Ali has done. And if anyone refers to him as the Greatest of All Time, i probably wouldnt argue with them. But like ive said a million times in other posts...athletes, simply get better as time goes on. Athletes now, are FAR more athletic and skilled then athletes 30 yrs ago. Athletes 30 yrs from now, will be far more athletic then those now. Itz a fact, and it doesnt take away from who those past athletes were, or what they did. Athlete might of been the Greatest for his time, but u cant compare him to boxers of our generation. Different breed. The only past Heavyweight from that Generation, that i see possibly holding a title in this era, is Foreman. And thats based solely on his power. Today they are strong, AND quik sumtimes. But at least he had the power to knock anyone out. Ali would get dropped by Tyson in his prime, i believe Holyfield in his prime would beat him, and Lewis now, would probably beat him. Not to mention Jones, i think Jones has as much power as Ali, but is honestly FAR quicker. I luv Ali, but this IS a new era.
 

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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2003, 04:00:17 PM »
and as i thought you know nothing about sports nutrition or steriods

Surely "and there I was thinking you knew nothing about sports nutrition or steroids"? Shurely shome mishtake?
 

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Re:To the muthaphukka that said....
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2003, 04:05:00 PM »
Anyways, Rocky Marciana is the greatest.


lol this reminds me of that scene in Coming to America where they in the barber shop discussin Boxing, and the white dood brings up Rocky Marciano
 

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Re:To the muthaphukka that said....
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2003, 04:06:26 PM »
Tha funny thing is, Roy Jones would beat the SHIT out of Ali!


Theres no discountin who Ali is, or what Ali has done. And if anyone refers to him as the Greatest of All Time, i probably wouldnt argue with them. But like ive said a million times in other posts...athletes, simply get better as time goes on. Athletes now, are FAR more athletic and skilled then athletes 30 yrs ago. Athletes 30 yrs from now, will be far more athletic then those now. Itz a fact, and it doesnt take away from who those past athletes were, or what they did. Athlete might of been the Greatest for his time, but u cant compare him to boxers of our generation. Different breed. The only past Heavyweight from that Generation, that i see possibly holding a title in this era, is Foreman. And thats based solely on his power. Today they are strong, AND quik sumtimes. But at least he had the power to knock anyone out. Ali would get dropped by Tyson in his prime, i believe Holyfield in his prime would beat him, and Lewis now, would probably beat him. Not to mention Jones, i think Jones has as much power as Ali, but is honestly FAR quicker. I luv Ali, but this IS a new era.

there is a god....really finally someone with a little knowledge of sports....and who is'nt stuck in the past....and i agree that roy jones, tyson in his prim, and maybe hoylfield too would make ali look out classed....really he struggled against joe frazier...  people like m-dogg are the people that will say...arnold palmer is a better golfer than tigger woods or the 72 dolpins could beat any team from this era...really its evolution...get with the 21 centurty

oh and i've been reading and heard on some talk shows that people are starting to consider roy jones as the greatest fighter ever!!!  really he's never lost(griffen faked getting hit getting jones dq'd) went through 4 divisioins beating everydody...not only that he would kick cashes clays ass

marcian had the greatest career...he wouldnt stand a chance against some middle weight of today...let alone the heavyweights
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Re:To the muthaphukka that said....
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2003, 06:00:33 PM »
oh and i've been reading and heard on some talk shows that people are starting to consider roy jones as the greatest fighter ever!!!  

not surprised. I mean, whats the argument against him? Hes had no real losses. And theres been no DOWN times in his career. Damn near every boxer has had a moment where they slipped, except Marciano. Roy has ran thru every single boxer put in front of him (fuk Griffin, everyone knows that way trash). Hes moved up to Heavyweight, theres no further weight class to move up to. What else does he have to do? He's proven to be far too powerful for anyone in his weight class, and far too quik for anyone bigger then him. And honestly, his power is VERY underrated. I think he could knockout alot of Heavyweights in the game right now. Remember, a powerful punch has the same impact as a quick punch. U typically dont get knocked out by the punch u SEE coming. Roy Jones hits u from angles that u dont expect, and u dont see. Fighting Lewis is maybe a stretch, for size reasons. BUT, Lewis IMO has a glass jaw...and i wouldnt be surprised if Jones could catch him wit a quik counter punch and drop him. Tyson vs Jones would probably be the biggest pay per view ever. But i dont know what Jones would gain by fighting Tyson, except another pay day. But there styles would make for a GREAT fight probably. Holyfield, shit...this used to be my favorite boxer...since he very first became a heavyweight. But honestly, i think its his time to retire. Whatever happens from now on, id put Jones in the top 4 fighters of all time...and quite possibly number 1. Everything iz up for debate.

BTW, i still think the most dangerous Heavyweight to Lewis's title...is Vladimir Klitzko (spelling lol). I dunno how many of yall seen him fight, he's a fukin machine! I mean, Ray Mercer is old and his career is on the decline...but he had NEVER been knocked down by a punch to the head in his whole career. Not by Tyson, not by anyone...until Klitzko really pounded him. It looked like Rocky 4 when Ivan Drago faught Apollo Creed lol. Crazy shit.