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Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« on: October 18, 2002, 11:25:09 AM »
Who's to Blame for the Bali Bombing? And who is Not.....
Rounding Up the Usual Suspects in the Bali Bombing

By JAMES LILEKS

c.2002 Newhouse News Service



Who's to blame for the Bali bombing? We've no shortage of suspects. Let's start with the most obvious:

-- The Australians. Yes, the Aussies. According to the new moral calculus of the day, they suffered the most in the terrorist attack -- so they surely bear much responsibility. They've been steadfast allies of the United States for decades, and have been among America's staunchest friends in the war against al-Qaida and Islamic terror. Well, this will teach them to act on principle. If they'd kept their noses clean, they would have been left alone for a few years. Islamic terror might have come to Australia in 2004 instead of 2002. Pity, yes, but they've only themselves to blame.

-- The Balinese. They built a disco where men and women of different races and creeds could drink and dance. Good Lord, what were they thinking? If we've learned anything from 9/11, it's that freedom itself is a great affront to the pious. If we don't shove our women into coal sacks and start lopping hands off junior-high shoplifters, we can expect to be bombed in God's name on a daily basis.

Meanwhile, the Balinese have to ask themselves: Why are they building resorts while Palestine remains occupied? Priorities, people. Priorities.

The Balinese also allowed commerce and development in their pristine nation, which will no doubt make many a Green think: Had it coming, bloke; the bombing of a disco is naught compared to the violence you've visited on the Balinese thrush and the Indonesian tide pool crab. We'll call this one a draw.

-- The Americans. We started this, you know. After 9/11 America did not replace the Statue of Liberty with a 400-foot statue of Jimmy Carter that loudly declaimed "WE SURRENDER" every hour on the hour and "FORGIVE US" on the quarter-hours.

No, the United States forswore diplomacy and took the war to the innocent Taliban, killing millions. (Or hundreds. Estimates vary.) As the cliche has it: When all you have is a daisy cutter, the whole world looks like a mountaintop encampment.

Did we offer Osama bin Laden a chance to address a joint session of Congress and lay out his case against the Christians and the Jews? No, we tried to kill him. And we're surprised that they've struck back.

As if Afghanistan wasn't enough, the United States is prepared to compound its errors by invading Iraq. The very notion has inflamed the moderate elements of Islam, turning millions of peaceful mosque-going family men into martyrs willing to die for a secular butcher.

Said the Sydney Morning Herald shortly after the bomb blast: "The question is whether external actors are manipulating nascent, radical Islam inside Indonesia, or whether international events -- in particular U.S. war plans for Iraq -- are, themselves, creating a new breed of Indonesian terrorists."

Perhaps the Bali bomber had cold feet at the last moment -- was this truly the right thing to do? Then he remembered that America was threatening not only to invade Iraq, but to do so without Security Council permission. And he once again saw red.

Not to blame:

-- The Indonesians. Shortly before the blast, the Indonesian House of Representatives speaker dismissed U.S. warnings that Indonesia might be a staging ground for terrorists. He said there was no proof that Indonesia was unsafe, and that should a threat surface, Indonesian security forces "could settle the matter immediately."

If you define "immediately" as showing up the next day and marching around with grim expressions, perhaps. But in retrospect, Indonesia looks quite wise. If they had bowed to U.S. pressure, al-Qaida would think they'd joined Bush's mad crusade. Now they have a chance -- a precious, rare chance -- to show that wiser heads know best what to do: nothing. But we're not counseling rash inaction -- no, Indonesia must proceed with care, consulting friends and neighbors, before deciding which form their inaction should take. (After a suitable debate, that is.)

-- The Terrorists. We may chide them for their rashness, their unfortunate means of expressing their grievance. But let us not waste time blaming them for what they were driven to do; let us seek to understand the roots of their rage. And please, no talk about hunting down the terrorists and eliminating the threat.

The West is the real threat. Once we're gone, the violence will end.

(James Lileks can be contacted at james.lileks@newhouse.com)
 
 

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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2002, 03:49:07 AM »
i blame the parents...
 

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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2002, 03:53:00 AM »
If this was supposed to be sarcasm it contained too many serious thoughts...not that I agree with it though
 

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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2002, 04:00:30 AM »
you can suck a fat penis you beeeyoch for posting stupid shit like that.


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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2002, 04:07:14 AM »
you can suck a fat penis you beeeyoch for posting stupid shit like that.

What C-Walker posted was definitely hot his oppinion
 

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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2002, 11:46:26 AM »
I guess most of the idiots on this message board are going to blame Australia and its evil, treacherous foreign policy for this bombing. After all, according to these Muslims, terrorism is always the fault of the victims.
 

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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2002, 12:22:33 PM »
After all, according to these Muslims, terrorism is always the fault of the victims.

Terrorism is always partly the fault of the ones the terrorists hate for they do have a reason for that. It is most times not the fault of the victims, because terrorists rarely get to kill those they actually hate but people "belonging" to them... citizens of a country hated for its foreign policy, innocent people
 

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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2002, 03:27:09 PM »
i dont think its al qaeda, however its some indonesian local activist group against the government.  they probably attacked on the anniversary of the us navy attack since it was an important day, it has nothing to do with alqaeda terrorists ...it was simply to spark notice of themselves to the world and especoally to their government.

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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2002, 03:34:41 PM »
a couple of newspaper articles have even stated the cause of the blasts to be due to these reasons:

"Some reports say what caused the devastation at the Sari Club was not the size of the bomb, but that it ignited several large propane canisters used for cooking at the open-air-bar. If the Sari Club bomb was also small and the decastation unforseen then the picture of what happened in Bali Saturday night looks somewhat different.

      Some group clearly wanted to cause harm and alarm, but the reason may have had more to do with indonesia's factious domestic politics than international terrorism"

so all u suckers who are blinded by bush n think that this was linked to al qada are wrong. think 2wice b4 u say somethin.

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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2002, 09:14:25 PM »


Terrorism is always partly the fault of the ones the terrorists hate for they do have a reason for that. It is most times not the fault of the victims, because terrorists rarely get to kill those they actually hate but people "belonging" to them... citizens of a country hated for its foreign policy, innocent people

You people never cease to amaze me with your rationalizing terror. Just exactly what is evil enough about Australia and its foreign policy to cause someone to kill 200 Aussies?

When are we going to stop blaming the victim and instead point the finger at the real problem: Islamic extremism.
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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2002, 09:16:51 PM »
a couple of newspaper articles have even stated the cause of the blasts to be due to these reasons:

      Some group clearly wanted to cause harm and alarm, but the reason may have had more to do with indonesia's factious domestic politics than international terrorism"

so all u suckers who are blinded by bush n think that this was linked to al qada are wrong. think 2wice b4 u say somethin.

peace




So it is just a coincidence that Indonesia is a hotbed of radical Islam and that the nightclub that was bombed was filled with westerners? You people are seriously idiots.
 

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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2002, 09:22:32 PM »
^^yes moron
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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2002, 09:24:37 PM »
dont try to relate indonesian matters with al qaeda, they have their own matters
 

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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2002, 03:02:29 AM »
Who's to Blame for the Bali Bombing? And who is Not.....
Rounding Up the Usual Suspects in the Bali Bombing

By JAMES LILEKS

c.2002 Newhouse News Service



Who's to blame for the Bali bombing? We've no shortage of suspects. Let's start with the most obvious:

-- The Australians. Yes, the Aussies. According to the new moral calculus of the day, they suffered the most in the terrorist attack -- so they surely bear much responsibility. They've been steadfast allies of the United States for decades, and have been among America's staunchest friends in the war against al-Qaida and Islamic terror. Well, this will teach them to act on principle. If they'd kept their noses clean, they would have been left alone for a few years. Islamic terror might have come to Australia in 2004 instead of 2002. Pity, yes, but they've only themselves to blame.


The most obvious people to blame is the Aussies?? This guy is a fucking idiot. Australia backs up America, on the war against Terroism. The right thing to do. If no one does anyhting about it , then its just gonna keep happening. We have to work together.

Like to see him tell this opinion to the aussie victims parents, freinds etc. It was there fault?? What a dickhead. The poeple to blame are the people that did this. Not the innocent people that died.

I was at that club like a week and a half ago. I'm lucky i wasn't there when it happened. RIP to all the victims of this tragedy.



 

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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2002, 07:43:51 AM »
alot of people down here in Australia have been blaming our prime minister, John Howard, for the bombings, not directly, but people seem to think its because of him jumping on bush's nuts about the Iraq situation and because of his dictator like policies about refugees
im now old enought to vote, so i am voting that man out.

but in general the friends and family of the victims are not to blame and id be shocked by the stupidty of you blaming general Australians.

i mean thats like blaming General Americans for dropping Napalm on children in Vietnam, it wasnt your fault, it was the fucking army's and government's (fuckin LBJ)
 

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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2002, 01:23:54 PM »


The most obvious people to blame is the Aussies?? This guy is a fucking idiot. Australia backs up America, on the war against Terroism. The right thing to do. If no one does anyhting about it , then its just gonna keep happening. We have to work together.

Like to see him tell this opinion to the aussie victims parents, freinds etc. It was there fault?? What a dickhead. The poeple to blame are the people that did this. Not the innocent people that died.

I was at that club like a week and a half ago. I'm lucky i wasn't there when it happened. RIP to all the victims of this tragedy.



OK man, let me explain something. This article was satire. It isn't serious. The author is mocking the way Muslims always blame Islamic terrorism on the victims and never accept the blame themselves. The same thing happened after September 11, people blamed America.

Anyways, no one seriously thinks this is the fault of Aussies.
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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2002, 01:32:04 PM »
alot of people down here in Australia have been blaming our prime minister, John Howard, for the bombings, not directly, but people seem to think its because of him jumping on bush's nuts about the Iraq situation and because of his dictator like policies about refugees
im now old enought to vote, so i am voting that man out.


That is insane. Australians don't have to apologize for their refugee policies or anything else. They did nothing to cause this terrorism. The real culprit is Islamic fundamentalism.

John Howard is a good man.
 

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Re:Who's to blame for the Indonesia bombing?
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2002, 05:04:28 PM »
it not so much an apology for our acceptance of refugees but its more the way they treat illegal refugees in the detention centres, a UN representative even described it as inhumane.

John Howard aint a good man, he is a bastard.