Author Topic: A very sad day for american history  (Read 559 times)

Woodrow

Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2003, 02:15:50 PM »
 

Agua

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2003, 02:16:25 PM »
Here you go:

The Horrors of "Peace"
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/314yltit.asp

'When Will Americans Come?'
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003156

Dear marcher, please answer a few questions
http://www.guardian.co.uk/antiwar/story/0,12809,897694,00.html

... And why I will not
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,895397,00.html

It's a just war, say Iraq's exiles
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/02/16/ndemo316.xml

you gave me articles by newspapers which are in support of the war and, besides, highly manipulative? if this wasn't such a serious situation, I'd laugh at your blatant attempt to spread propaganda.
 

TheSheriff

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2003, 02:16:28 PM »
there's a slight difference between supporting a revolution and invading iraq yourself. LOL are you that incredibly stupid?  By the way, i read your posts as for other people on this board being brainwashed..... very nice. What do you call it when a brainwashed person calls other people brainwashed?


Agua
 

Agua

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2003, 02:20:02 PM »
there's a slight difference between supporting a revolution and invading iraq yourself. LOL are you that incredibly stupid?  By the way, i read your posts as for other people on this board being brainwashed..... very nice. What do you call it when a brainwashed person calls other people brainwashed?


Agua

very funny but weak tho. read the articles unless you are afraid of seeing things from a different angle.
 

Woodrow

Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2003, 02:21:46 PM »
Typical anit-war lines:

1. Anything that sheds the war in a positive light, from Iraqis welcoming troops, to scientific polls (the same polls that have shown lesser support for the war in previous months, btw) showing that 7/10 Americans currently support the war, is propaganda.

2. Anyone who is for the war is apathetic and/or uneducated.

3. Our anti-war stance has nothing to do with our deep hatred of Bush and anything Republican.

4. The protests are not organized by rich organizations backed by political agendas that have absolutely NOTHING to do with Iraq, such as the furtherance of the Communist cause.

5. The protests are purely a grass-roots movement; nevermind that they can cost as much as $200,000 EACH for equipment, toilets, food, water, etc.

6. Barbra Streisand, Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin, Julia Roberts, Sean Penn, Mike Farrell and Janeane Garofelo never completed anything beyond high school graduation, but they know more about geopolicital strategy and diplomacy than Bush's Yale, Harvard, Princeton and Notre Dame educated cabinet.

7. It is because of these views and because of violence and stupidity excercised by many of our fellow protestors that the anti-war "movement" in this country was DOA and most Americans consider us batshiat crazy cowards with too much time on our hands.
 

Agua

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2003, 02:22:29 PM »
 

Agua

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2003, 02:31:31 PM »
Typical anit-war lines:

1. Anything that sheds the war in a positive light, from Iraqis welcoming troops, to scientific polls (the same polls that have shown lesser support for the war in previous months, btw) showing that 7/10 Americans currently support the war, is propaganda.

2. Anyone who is for the war is apathetic and/or uneducated.

3. Our anti-war stance has nothing to do with our deep hatred of Bush and anything Republican.

4. The protests are not organized by rich organizations backed by political agendas that have absolutely NOTHING to do with Iraq, such as the furtherance of the Communist cause.

5. The protests are purely a grass-roots movement; nevermind that they can cost as much as $200,000 EACH for equipment, toilets, food, water, etc.

6. Barbra Streisand, Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin, Julia Roberts, Sean Penn, Mike Farrell and Janeane Garofelo never completed anything beyond high school graduation, but they know more about geopolicital strategy and diplomacy than Bush's Yale, Harvard, Princeton and Notre Dame educated cabinet.

7. It is because of these views and because of violence and stupidity excercised by many of our fellow protestors that the anti-war "movement" in this country was DOA and most Americans consider us batshiat crazy cowards with too much time on our hands.

1. the use of words such as 'war' and 'positive' in the same sentence is absolutely hilarious.
2. nope
3. nope
4. uhhh... mccarthy is back? nice comment man. it shows your way of thinking.
5. nope.
6. herman melville left school at the age of twelve. his romance "moby dick; or the whale" is probably the best book ever written. nice try man.
7. propaganda as usual
8. i cannot take you serious.
 

TheSheriff

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2003, 02:35:40 PM »
6. herman melville left school at the age of twelve. his romance "moby dick; or the whale" is probably the best book ever written. nice try man.


What books do you read? Moby Dick is greatest ever? Uh. Okay then.
 

Agua

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2003, 02:42:11 PM »
6. herman melville left school at the age of twelve. his romance "moby dick; or the whale" is probably the best book ever written. nice try man.


What books do you read? Moby Dick is greatest ever? Uh. Okay then.

here's a short list of my favorite books:
Günter Grass - The Tin Tin Drum
Toni Morrison - The Bluest Eye and Beloved
Ralph Ellison - Invisible Man
Nathaniel Hawthorne - The Scarlet Letter
Joseph Conrad - Heart of Darkness
James Joyce - Ulysees
Virigina Woolf - Mrs Dalloway

I bet you guys don't know guys like Derrida, Foucault, Barthes, Said, Bhabha and Fanon. hence i won't mention them.

p/s i guess you don't know what moby dick really is about...
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Woodrow

Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2003, 02:43:18 PM »
1. the use of words such as 'war' and 'positive' in the same sentence is absolutely hilarious.
2. nope
3. nope
4. uhhh... mccarthy is back? nice comment man. it shows your way of thinking.
5. nope.
6. herman melville left school at the age of twelve. his romance "moby dick; or the whale" is probably the best book ever written. nice try man.
7. propaganda as usual
8. i cannot take you serious.
Ah well, I guess you can't convince the un-convincible. Have fun living in your little bubble.
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TheSheriff

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2003, 02:48:03 PM »
here's a short list of my favorite books:
Günter Grass - The Tin Tin Drum
Toni Morrison - The Bluest Eye and Beloved
Ralph Ellison - Invisible Man
Nathaniel Hawthorne - The Scarlet Letter
Joseph Conrad - Heart of Darkness
James Joyce - Ulysees
Virigina Woolf - Mrs Dalloway

I bet you guys don't know guys like Derrida, Foucault, Barthes, Said, Bhabha and Fanon. hence i won't mention them.

p/s i guess you don't know what moby dick really is about...

Michel Foucalt makes me vomit.

And, quite simply, either Catch 22, Orwell's stuff, or PB Shelley's stuff are my favourite books/etc.

And Moby Dick was about a man getting an obsession and chasing into until death. It was well written. It wans't the best. It did contain a moral lesson, yes.
 

Woodrow

Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2003, 02:48:12 PM »
1. Anything that sheds the war in a positive light, from Iraqis welcoming troops, to scientific polls (the same polls that have shown lesser support for the war in previous months, btw) showing that 7/10 Americans currently support the war, is propaganda


7. propaganda as usual



Thanks for proving my point.
 

Agua

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2003, 02:48:54 PM »

Ah well, I guess you can't convince the un-convincible. Have fun living in your little bubble.

hahaha

P/s i know that your last sentence was supposed to be "from what I've heard, ignorance really is a bliss".....we both know the reason why you left it out.... so pitiful.....
 

Agua

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2003, 02:54:16 PM »


Michel Foucalt makes me vomit.

And, quite simply, either Catch 22, Orwell's stuff, or PB Shelley's stuff are my favourite books/etc.

And Moby Dick was about a man getting an obsession and chasing into until death. It was well written. It wans't the best. It did contain a moral lesson, yes.

1. The Archaeology of Knowledge is one of the most important books in poststructuralism. I agree that his books are a difficult read but highly influential, though.
2. Eric Blair is nice. I like Animal Farm
3.  moby dick is not about ahab, it's about ismael. Besides, it's about politics, philosophy (the epistemological crisis) and nature
 

TheSheriff

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2003, 02:59:31 PM »
1. The Archaeology of Knowledge is one of the most important books in poststructuralism. I agree that his books are a difficult read but highly influential, though.
2. Eric Blair is nice. I like Animal Farm
3.  moby dick is not about ahab, it's about ismael. Besides, it's about politics, philosophy (the epistemological crisis) and nature

My problem with Foucault is Queer Theory. My repressed homosexuality refuses to be outed by some Frenchman in a cafe wearing a beret, drinking shitty coffee and smoking.

I think Moby Dick is about the whale. The monster eating us up.

I also like Solznyetzin, and Jaroslav Hasek. And Vaclav Havel, perhaps the most insightful politician since Marcus Aurelius.