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You could be right, After all religion is based on faith and faith is not based on fact. I don't think I could ever be an athiest, because if all I believe in is whats right in front of me, and when I die thats it, then whats the point of life. Humans need hope, and I feel bad for those thet have none, not to say that you have no hope, or that you are a bad person. But your thoughts ae better fit for another thread. I just want to know why christians turn to Islam, and I want a better reason than because God doesn't need a son, thats all.
Second: It would not matter. It's just another race died out. Could be worse, our race wipes out other races all the time. (Remark for dickheads: talking about race, I refer to the human race.) We are just the currently predominant race of our time. If there was a God, what's the difference between a Dinosaur and a Human? WHAT? It's gotta be all the same to God, our race didnt start wit Adam and Eva and an apple, now aint that a bitch.
I still haven't heard to many replies to the original question I asked, or aren't there as many Christians turned Muslims on this forum as I thought.
Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on April 18, 2004, 07:50:01 PMSecond: It would not matter. It's just another race died out. Could be worse, our race wipes out other races all the time. (Remark for dickheads: talking about race, I refer to the human race.) We are just the currently predominant race of our time. If there was a God, what's the difference between a Dinosaur and a Human? WHAT? It's gotta be all the same to God, our race didnt start wit Adam and Eva and an apple, now aint that a bitch.Plus homie, if Im supposed to answer your questions, I take it for granted you do the same.I condone this mis-behaviour of you this time, since you couldve taken my question as a rhetorical question, which it wasnt. This also goes out to any believer here.. no matter if Christ, Muslim, Jew or whatever.If there was a God, what's the difference between a Dinosaur and a Human? WHAT? It's gotta be all the same to God, our race didnt start wit Adam and Eva and an apple, now aint that a bitch. What makes you dare to think the Human race is so fuckin special? I dont get it. And to get back to the stone age..since fuckin when is a person considered human and not an animal anymore? one hair less and it's considered a homo sapiens sapiens with a soul god cares about who gets to heaven and not a fuckin stone-age sucker pre-neandertaler semi-ape anymore, or what? now fuck with that.
Quote from: Shallow on April 18, 2004, 10:33:25 PMI still haven't heard to many replies to the original question I asked, or aren't there as many Christians turned Muslims on this forum as I thought.You never responded to my reply to your origional question: Here it is again in short:I was raised Christian. My mother's family was Catholic and my father's family southern baptist. I could not stand for all the hypocrisy in the Church and never could identify with man being God, so at age 14 I became an atheist. Then at age 18 I went through yet another transformation when I finally came to know about Islam. The primary reason I accepted Islam is because Islam can put your whole life and daily affairs in perfect order; Beggining with Allah being the One and Only, the Supreme Being, and the only deity worthy of worship. Next, the teachings of the Holy Qu'ran and the practice of Islam begin to take hold of you and discipline your mind and body into submission to Allah, through intense praying, fasting, traveling (Hajj), supplicating to Allah, the brotherhood and comrodery amongst Muslims, the knowledge and psychology of the Holy Qu'ran... Soon one's life becomes a temple of worship.To answer your first question, nothing is wrong with Jesus (peace be unto him). He was a a devinely inspired prophet of God, and we believe in much of the gospels, although some of it has been lost in translation and altered for political reasons.To answer your second question let me explain how the Qu'ran advanced the morals of the gospel, and previously revealed messages of Allah. Being that Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet and the culmination of all messages, the Qu'ran was to offer the believers giudance in every sphere and aspect of life. Allah has decreed in the Qu'ran "And verily, on this day I have completed the religion of (submission to the will of God)". So in doing so, the Holy Qu'ran gave the believers giudance in all aspects from how to pray, how to orchestrate a society and government, how to fight against oppression and subjugation, economics, judiciary, dietary, marriage, divorce; a Muslim is never without giudance.
But anyway. I'm going to tell you what I think Muhammed was. I think he was a very well read intelligent man who was sick and tired of the position he and his people were in, and wanted revolution, justice. So he decided to create an army to fight for freedom. But it is very difficult to motivate the oppressed. So what did he do? What a lot of people do in this situation , make the people think the mission is divine.
1. John (3:17) says that you "MIGHT be saved."There is no guarantee of salvation. In Islam there is.2. The Bible has been interpreted, hence revised, over and over as time went on. In fact, there are many versions of the Bible. In the Qu'ran not 1 word has been changed, and there isn't more than 1 version.THERE ARE ALSO REFERENCES TO ISLAM/MUHAMMED IN THE BIBLE.3. In Deuteronomy 33:2, we see Moses peace be upon him predicting that GOD Almighty will execute His Holy Judgement in the city of Paran by 10,000 of Believers: "And he said, The LORD came from Si'-nai, and rose up from Se'-ir unto them; he shined forth from mount Pa'-ran [Mecca in Arabic], and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. (From the King James Version Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)" We also read about the same prophecy by Prophet Enoch peace be upon him: "And Enoch [Idris in Arabic] also, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14-15)"Now, according to the Islamic history, the city of Mecca (Paran) was liberated by Prophet Muhammad's 10,000-men army.4. Prophet Isaiah peace be upon him prophesied that two leaders whom he called "Chariot" would come -- one riding a donkey, and another riding a camel: "And he saw a chariot with a couple of horsemen, a chariot of asses, and a chariot of camels; and he hearkened diligently with much heed: (From the King James Version Bible, Isaiah 21:7)" Jesus came on the ass(donkey)Muhammed came on the camel5. CHAPTER 220 of the "Gospel of Barnabus (Joseph)"Jesus answered: 'Believe me, Barnabas, that every sin, however small it be, God punishes with great punishment, seeing that God is offended at sin. Wherefore, since my mother and my faithful disciples that were with me loved me a little with earthly love, the righteous God has willed to punish this love with the present grief, in order that it may not be punished in the flames of hell. And though I have been innocent in the world, since men have called me "God," and "Son of God," God, in order that I be not mocked of the demons on the day of judgment, has willed that I be mocked of men in this world by the death of Judas;, making all men to believe that I died upon the cross. And this mocking shall continue until the advent of Muhammad;, the Messenger ;of God, who, when he shall come, shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God's Law. Having thus spoken, Jesus said: 'You are just, O Lord our God, because to you only belongs honour and glory without end.'