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Re: Rap phenomenon III is......
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2006, 10:45:42 PM »
^^^ so by your logic people only see reasonable doubt as a classic because jay-z said it? so if ludacris came out saying back for the first time was a classic...that would mean that millions of hip hop fans would view it as a classic? no. Reasonable doubt is viewed as a classic because it is one. just like the chronic is viewed as a classic...because it is one. I know a lot of people that were calling reasonable doubt a classic before 2001. thats like saying that illmatic is only a classic because nas said it was
 

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Re: Rap phenomenon III is......
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2006, 10:53:01 PM »
The Word "Classic" gets thrown around so much nowadays. People label any cd they want classic. The word classic seems like an opinion to me now, even though thats how it shouldnt be. Besides a few cd's people will never agree on whats classic... I think All eyez on me, death certificate and dogg food are classics. But there alot of people that wont agree with me especailyl about Dogg Food. So what really is the definition of a classic?
 

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Re: Rap phenomenon III is......
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2006, 11:07:02 PM »
that mixtape is not legit...someone jacked the concept.

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Re: Rap phenomenon III is......
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2006, 11:18:35 PM »
lol @ people calling this wanna be Biggie a phenomenon.
 

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« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2006, 05:53:37 AM »
what are you talking about? people were talking about reasonable doubt long before 2001. i remember buying it in 97 and calling it a classic then! jay has a great catalogue

reasonable doubt - classic
in my lifetime - classic
hard knock life - commercial classic
life and times - yeah ok this one was shit
the dynasty - near classic
the blueprint - near classic
blueprint 2 - yeah again this one was shit
black album - near classic

someone said that these phenomenon things are supposed to be about talent and catalogue...well jay damn sure has the talent and hes got an impressive catalogue...not only those albums but he's got the 2 best of both worlds albums, and tons of tracks on soundtracks and guest spots...the dude has been around since big & pac....i mean...someone mentioned big pun...for what? cuz he died...the dude is definitely not a phenomenon...dont get me wrong pun was dope but he only had 2 full length studio albums, 1 album of remixes, and a terror squad album...and the only good ones were the 2 studio albums...

personally i think jay is a good choice for phenomenon 3...and i hope number 4 is nas

I'm really sorry, but I can't do nothing but laugh at the list of classics Jay-Z has according to you. Get real with it; Reasonable Doubt is the only album he has that could possibly fit that title. The rest of his catalogue is pretty much average to wack, a few exceptions there. He sure does come strong on most of his guest appearances, but does that make him a phenomenon?

To me, the title phenomenon is something that would suit someone who used to be all over the rap game but for some reason isn't anymore these days. Jay-Z still is all over the rap game, as is Nas. Biggie and Pac died at the peaks of their careers, that's enough to turn them into legends and phenomenons. Would Jay-Z really fit that title? I think not.

The reason why I mentioned Big Punisher as a possible third rap phenomenon... It was basically what I'd expected them to do, rather than this being my opinion, but anyway. Big Pun has been gone for some years now and to this very day he's known as the rapper with the most incredible breath control ever. And that for a 600 pound fatass. Not bad, huh? Some people label Capital Punishment a classic. He was the first Latino solo rapper to go platinum. He may not have had as much impact on the rap game as Biggie, but then again, Pun didn't have any much publicised beefs. Who knows what it would have been like if Pac hadn't died and he'd have ran into a fight with Big Pun in 1999 instead of with Biggie earlier on. Pun may just not have had anyone to challenge him. You say Pun only had 2 studio albums, a TerrorSquad album and a remix album... May I remind you, that's more than what Big had at the time he got labelled a "Rap Phenomenon"?

I'm not saying in order to be a rap phenomenon you must die first. Rakim and KRS-One would be some great acceptable options for rap phenomenons. They bring back nostalgic memories, and that's what a rap phenomenon's supposed to do. Whenever I now hear Jay-Z, I think of the current Def Jam boss. Not much of a phenomenon if you ask me.
 

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Re: Rap phenomenon III is......
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2006, 02:13:32 PM »
^^^ so by your logic people only see reasonable doubt as a classic because jay-z said it? so if ludacris came out saying back for the first time was a classic...that would mean that millions of hip hop fans would view it as a classic? no. Reasonable doubt is viewed as a classic because it is one. just like the chronic is viewed as a classic...because it is one. I know a lot of people that were calling reasonable doubt a classic before 2001. thats like saying that illmatic is only a classic because nas said it was
My logic? What are you talkin about? I didn't say in order for an album to be a classic, it has to be called a classic from the artist that made that album. I said the only reason ppl call Reasonable Doubt a classic is because Jayz said so. Jayz got away with this because of his sales and popularity which was at its peak when he was beefing with Nas. That's when Jayz started calling Reasonable Doubt a classic which was in 2001. When Reasonable Doubt came out, it was seen as a great album, but not a true classic from the general consensus like The Chronic, Doggystyle, Me Against The World, Ready To Die, and Illmatic.
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Re: Rap phenomenon III is......
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2006, 11:40:06 PM »
The reason why I mentioned Big Punisher as a possible third rap phenomenon... It was basically what I'd expected them to do, rather than this being my opinion, but anyway. Big Pun has been gone for some years now and to this very day he's known as the rapper with the most incredible breath control ever. And that for a 600 pound fatass. Not bad, huh? Some people label Capital Punishment a classic. He was the first Latino solo rapper to go platinum. He may not have had as much impact on the rap game as Biggie, but then again, Pun didn't have any much publicised beefs. Who knows what it would have been like if Pac hadn't died and he'd have ran into a fight with Big Pun in 1999 instead of with Biggie earlier on. Pun may just not have had anyone to challenge him. You say Pun only had 2 studio albums, a TerrorSquad album and a remix album... May I remind you, that's more than what Big had at the time he got labelled a "Rap Phenomenon"?

I'm not saying in order to be a rap phenomenon you must die first. Rakim and KRS-One would be some great acceptable options for rap phenomenons. They bring back nostalgic memories, and that's what a rap phenomenon's supposed to do. Whenever I now hear Jay-Z, I think of the current Def Jam boss. Not much of a phenomenon if you ask me.

hmmm....alright i'll give you pun...when you put it like that he would be a decent fit...i still think jay-z is good for it...but i wont say pun wouldnt be a good one
 

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Re: Rap phenomenon III is......
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2006, 01:18:50 PM »
lol @ people calling this wanna be Biggie a phenomenon.

hahaha tell me about it, he probably retired because he ran out of Biggie rhymes to steal and use for himself.
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