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The Forgotten Holocaust: The Eastern Slave Trade



The Arab Slave Trade is the longest yet least discussed of the two major trades. It begins in the 7th century AD as Arabs and other Asians poured into Northern and Eastern Africa under the banner of Islam, either converting or subjugating the African societies they came upon. In the beginning there was some level of mutual respect between the Blacks and the more Caucasian-Semitic Arabs. Mihdja, a Black man, is said to be the first Muslim killed in battle while another, Bilal, is regarded as a "third of the faith." Dhu'l-Nun al-Misri, born in Upper Egypt near Sudan, is regarded as the founder of Sufism. Today Sufism's greatest stronghold is in Southern Egypt and Sudan. Islamic prosperity was based upon Black as well as Arabic genius. 


The children of a stinking Nubian black---God put no light in their complexion!
Arab Poet, late 600AD,



But as Islamic prosperity grew, so did an air of hostility towards many Blacks, Muslims or otherwise. Some Arabs complained about having to work next to Blacks in high positions. After the Prophet's death, even the descendants of Bilal received negative treatment. Arabic writings became laced with anti-Black sentiment. This reaction of Blacks at the time to this can be seen in the writings of a contemporary 9th Century Black scholar in residence at Baghdad by the name of Abu 'Uthman' Amr Ibn Bahr Al-Jahiz. Al-Jahiz, to confront a growing tide of anti-black sentiment in the Muslim world, published a highly controversial work at the time titled, Kitab Fakhr As-Sudan 'Ala Al-Bidan, "The Book of Glory of the Blacks over the Whites." Al-Jahiz in his work contended that even the Prophet Mohammad's father may have been of African lineage. 


These new attitudes towards Blacks by Arabs marked the beginning of African enslavement. Though not based solely on race, the Arab Slave Trade did focus heavily upon Africans whom Arabs now saw as inferior to themselves. At first these Arabs raided African villages themselves seeking humans for sale. This not being always successful, they soon enlisted the aid of fellow African Muslims or recently converted Blacks. Wrapping themselves within Islam, these converts rationalized the slavery of their non Muslim brethren as the selling of "unbelievers." At other times the Arabs would demand tribute in the form of human bodies from Africans weary of the fight against Arabic-Islamic incursions.



The Arabs took advantage of regional wars in Africa to buy captives from the victor. They also used the old divide-and-conquer technique. They worked one group against the other and took or killed the best and strongest.
S.E. Anderson, The Black Holocaust for Beginners




Slave Raids and Markets
 The Arab slavers raided at nightfall, during the dinner time. Africans who resisted or tried to run were shot and killed. Most adult men were killed as the Arabs favored women and children for sale. The captives then endured a long and torturous march through the African countryside as the slavers searched and gathered more captives. Young men, women, and children were bound by hand and by neck throughout this journey, enduring beatings and rapes along the way. Those who fell sick or dead were left behind. Others remained bound to living captives.




 After surviving the torturous ride aboard the Arab slave ships, Africans were taken to the slave markets. Here Muslim men would inspect their intended purchases. Women and young girls were degradingly probed by these men in public or private stalls to test their sexual worth. Those that did not survive their time in these markets were left out to rot. It is said that that hyenas, very numerous in the region, "gorged themselves on human flesh..." Pictured here is a slave market in East Africa. 


Concubines and Eunuchs
 Pictured here is an African trader (possibly an Egyptian)with two Sudanese slave girls for sale. The African is a Muslim while the girls are not. The Eastern Slave Trade dealt primarily with African women: a ratio of two women for each man. These women and young girls were used by Arabs and other Asians as concubines. Filling the harems of wealthy Arabs, they often bore them a host of children. This sexual abuse of African women would continue for nearly 1200 years. 


 The Eastern Slave Trade also dealt in the sale of castrated male slaves: Aghas or eunuchs. Used as guards and tutors, these slaves were central to familial peace, protection and order in many wealthy Muslim households. Eunuchs were created by completely amputating the scrotum and penis of 8-to-12-year-old African boys. Hundreds of thousands of young boys may have been subjected to this genital mutilation. Many bled to death during the gory procedure. The survival rate of this process ranged from 1 in 10 to 1 in 30. 




Holocaust: The Numbers
Due to the enormous length of the Arab Slave Trade, from 700 to 1911AD, it is impossible to be certain of the numbers of Africans sold in this system. Estimates place the numbers somewhere around 14 million: at least 9.6 million African women and 4.4 African men.


It has been estimated that in all, at least 14 to 20 MILLION African men, women and children died throughout this trade. (Photos and Information courtesy of The Black Holocaust for Beginners by SE Anderson, A Pictorial History of the Slave Trade, Slave Trade of Eastern Africa by Beachy, Slavery in the Arab World by Gordon Murray and Africa in History by Basil Davidson)



ok, so who started black enslavement ?

so why am i discussing this ? am i saying arabs are worse than whites ? you decide... just call me racist, doesnt really affect me...
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2006, 02:21:04 AM »
so whites did this, whites did that... were such bad people... hey guess what !! youre just as bad fuckers !

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Slavery in the Arab World
Murray Gordon

New Amsterdam Books, New York, NY 1989 

In his fact-filled work on the history of the Muslim Arab slave trade in Africa, Murray Gordon notes that this trade pre-dated the European Christian African slave trade by a thousand years and continued for more than a century after the Europeans had abolished the practice. Gordon estimates the number of slaves “harvested” from Black Africa over the period of the Muslim Arab slave trade at 11 million – roughly equal to the number taken by European Christians for their colonies in the New World. 

“Despite the long history of slavery in the Arab World and in other Muslim lands, little has been written about this tragedy,” writes Gordon in his introduction. “Except for the few abolitionists, mainly in England, who railed against Arab slavery and put pressure upon Western governments to end the traffic in slaves, the issue has all but been ignored in the West.” 

‘Conspiracy of Silence’ on Arab Slave Trade 
Gordon decries a “conspiracy of silence. . .[that] has blocked out all light on this sensitive subject.” Among scholars in the Arab world, the author points out, “No moral opprobrium has clung to slavery since it was sanctioned by the Koran and enjoyed an undisputed place in Arab society.” 

The book starts out with a brief outline of the growth of the Islamic attitude toward slavery. There is no evidence that Muhammad sought to abolish slavery, notes Gordon, although he urged slave-owners to treat their slaves well and grant them freedom as a meritorious deed. 

“Some Muslim scholars have taken this to mean that his true motive was to bring about a gradual elimination of slavery. Far more persuasive is the argument that by lending the moral authority of Islam to slavery, Muhammad assured its legitimacy. Thus, in lightening the fetter, he riveted it ever more firmly in place.”

 

High Rate of Black African Casualties 
While Gordon acknowledges that at times the Islamic version of slavery could be more “humane” than the European colonial version, he provides many facts which point out that the Muslim variety of slavery could be extremely cruel as well. 

One particularly brutal practice was the mutilation of young African boys, sometimes no more than 9 or ten years old, to create eunuchs, who brought a higher price in the slave markets of the Middle East. Slave traders often created “eunuch stations” along the major African slave routes where the necessary surgery was performed in unsanitary conditions. Gordon estimates that only one out of every 10 boys subjected to the mutilation actually survived the surgery. 

The taking of slaves – in razzias, or raids, on peaceful African villages – also had a high casualty rate. Gordon notes that the typical practice was to conduct a pre-dawn raid on an unsuspecting village and kill off as many of the men and older women as possible. Young women and children were then abducted as the preferred “booty” for the raiders. 

Young women were targeted because of their value as concubines or sex slaves in markets. “The most common and enduring purpose for acquiring slaves in the Arab world was to exploit them for sexual purposes,” writes Gordon. “These women were nothing less than sexual objects who, with some limitations, were expected to make themselves available to their owners. . .Islamic law, as already noted, catered to the sexual interests of a man by allowing him to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as his purse allowed.” Young women and girls were often “inspected” before purchase in private areas of the slave market by the prospective buyer.

 

Racism Toward Black Africans 
Some of Gordon’s research disputes the oft-repeated charge that racism did not play a part in Islamic slave society. While it is true that the Muslims of the Middle East took slaves of all colors and ethnicities,  they considered white slaves more valuable than black ones and developed racist attitudes toward the darker skinned people. 

Even the famous Arab philosopher Ibn Khaldun, expressed racist attitudes toward black Africans: “The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and their proximity to the animal stage,” Khaldun wrote. Another Arab writer, of the 14th Century, asked: “Is there anything more vile than black slaves, of less good and more evil than they?” 

Gordon covers the Arab/African slave trades up until the mid-20th Century, noting that Saudi Arabia only abolished the practice in the early 1960s. Unlike the European nations and the USA, the Arab nations did not abolish African slavery voluntarily out of moral conscience, but due to considerable economic and military pressure applied by the great colonial powers of time, France and Britain. Slavery is still practiced in two Islamic nations: The Sudan and Mauritania. 

Further reading about the Arab/Muslim slave trades can be found in the following book:

 

Race and Slavery in the Middle East
Bernard Lewis
Oxford University Press  (Trade); Reprint edition (April 1992)   

An excerpt from this book can be found here
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/med/lewis1.html 

To learn more about the 21st Century slave conditions in The Sudan and Mauritania, please visit www.iabolish.org 

 

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White Slaves, African Masters
An Anthology of American Barbary Captivity Narratives
Edited and with an introduction by Paul Baepler

The University of Chicago Press 1999 

This book illuminates a subject once well-known in the history of the West but which is now somewhat neglected: the enslavement, over several centuries, of tens of thousands of white Christian Europeans and (later) Americans in Muslim North Africa -- or the so-called “Barbary” states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli. Over the course of 10 centuries, tens of thousands of these unfortunates became the possessions of Muslims in North Africa courtesy of the feared Barbary pirates. These pirates cruised the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean in search of European and, later, American ships to pillage and plunder. 

Edited by a lecturer at the University of Minnesota, Paul Baepler, this book focuses on first-person accounts of American Christians who served as slaves to high-ranking Muslim officials in North Africa. Baepler also provides fascinating background commentary that puts the narratives into historical perspective. He includes two “fictional” narratives of female captives. (According to Baepler, Christian women captives of the Barbary states – unlike male captives – usually did not publish their testimonies under their real names, due to the fact that many of them had been “dishonored” by service in the harems of Barbary potentates.) 

As Baepler notes in his introduction, Christian slaves of European ancestry were hardly an uncommon phenomenon in the Barbary States. The Barbary pirates were excellent seafarers and, from the Coasts of North Africa, sailed as far north as Iceland (where they went ashore and captured 800 slaves during one incident) and as far West as Newfoundland, Canada, where they pillaged more than 40 vessels at one time. By 1620, reports Baepler, there were more than 20,000 white Christian slaves in Algiers alone, and by the 1630s that number tolled more than 30,000 men and 2,000 women. The most famous of all white Christian Europeans to serve as a slave in the Barbary States was probably Miguel de Cervantes, the great Spanish author of the “Don Quixote” epic, who was taken as a slave in the late 1500s. 

An Important Source of Revenue 
European and (later on) American slaves appeared to have been important source of foreign revenue for the local economies for several centuries. First, European and (later) American governments paid huge sums in “tribute” to the Muslim governments in exchange for “peace treaties” that were supposed to halt the pirate attacks on their trading and naval ships. Those nations who did not pay suffered the consequences. Second, enslaved Europeans and Americans were often redeemed for a handsome ransom. And third, even if the Muslim governments received no “tribute” or ransom, they still benefited from the unpaid labor of their captives. 

Baepler quotes a Barbary Coast maxim that illustrates the viewpoints of the pirates and their sponsoring states: “The Christians who would be on good terms with [the Barbary States] must [either] fight well or pay well.” 

The first-person narratives reproduced in this book do not support the often-repeated contention that slavery was somehow a more human institution in the Islamic world than it was in the European colonies of the New World. 

By and large, the Christian slaves were poorly fed and housed, existing, by one account, on a meager ration of two slices of bread and a small quantity of beans per day. Clothing – and medical care -- was provided by sympathetic free Europeans living in North Africa; slave-owners provided nothing. Spanish Catholic priests even built a large hospital in Algeria to look after ill and dying Christian slaves. 

The most popular punishment was the “bastinado” – hundreds of blows on the soles of the feet with a thick wooden truncheon. For more severe offenses, such as attempting to escape or ridiculing the Muslim religion or prophet, slaves were executed in particularly cruel ways: by crucifixion, burning at the stake or impalement on huge iron hooks until death. The narrators of these slave accounts witnessed many acts of brutality toward the Christian slaves, as well as toward the general North African populace ruled over by the elite: the beys, deys and bashaws of the Barbary States. 

Baepler quotes from, but does not include, the narrative of one James Riley, an American Barbary captive of the early 1800s who published a book about his experiences upon returning to the United States. The book became an influential “best-seller” in the young nation of the USA and influenced those Americans who worked for abolition of the shameful practice of Black African slavery in the Southern States of the USA. Riley’s book was said to have greatly influenced one young lawyer named Abraham Lincoln, who, as 16th president of the United States, signed the Emancipation Proclamation abolishing slavery in the U.S. in 1863. 

As for the Barbary pirate slave trade, it continued sporadically up until the dawn of the 20th Century, and was not abolished until military and economic pressure was applied by the colonial powers of Europe (with, in come cases, assistance from the military might of the USA). 


http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SStephan/islamic_slavery.htm



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have fun explaining yourselves to allah !
 

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Re: someone did some reading...
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2006, 02:22:55 AM »
and the reason you all hate now... well thats just because youre in a shitty position...

keep backing terrorism, keep backing cowardice... you guys really are so smart !  :D

hey atleast i dont think i'm something i'm not.

 

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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2006, 02:29:49 AM »
hey Jamal, i think i just got a lil smarter... youre still as ugly as ever !

shit sorry man, dont get mad, i dont mean it  ;D
 

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Re: oh oh... someone did some reading...
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2006, 04:35:40 AM »
yea they started it, i've always said europeans never started slavery, slaves we rounded up by africans themselves

whilst on the topic u know slavery still goes on in rural parts of brazil?

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2006, 05:29:51 AM »
^ nope, i'm dumb... but cheers for helpin the cause  :)

are they literally slaves ? like owned by someone ? it isnt legal is it ?
 

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2006, 06:23:19 AM »
it's nothing new that the white man gets blamed for everything

and double standards are everywhere






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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2006, 06:49:54 AM »
Slavery Payback = Wiggerism  ;D
 

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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2006, 07:57:49 AM »
if the read the last thread you would realize that arab slavery was talked about, and it was in no way as bad as white slavery
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2006, 07:59:01 AM »
if the read the last thread you would realize that arab slavery was talked about, and it was in no way as bad as white slavery

slavery is slavery
 

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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2006, 09:29:14 AM »
Thanks for that credible source. Let's look at what this website claims it's all about.

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Faith Freedom International

Islamic terrorism is inspired by Islamic teachings. We can never get rid of Islamic terrorism unless we defeat the ideology behind it and that is Islam itself. Islam induces hate backed by lies. Muhammad was a terrorist by his own admission. All Muslims, to the extent that they follow him, are terrorists. Those Muslims who are not terrorists are ignorant of Islam and are not good Muslims. Fortunately they are the majority. We need to rescue them. If you are a good human being, you are not a Muslim. Read this site and if you can't prove me wrong, which you certainly can't, leave this deceitful cult of hate and terror and join mankind. Don't be part of the Umma. Umma is fascism. It is divisive. It induces the hatred of others. Be part of humanity instead. Your ignorance is not an excuse. Pull your head out of the sand and face the truth, like we did.   

Faith Freedom International is a grassroots worldwide movement of ex-Muslims and all those who are concerned about the rise of the Islamic threat. We want to bring humanity together, not by introducing yet another doctrine, which always ends up dividing mankind more, but by eliminating the doctrines that divide us. We want to abolish this evil 'Muslim vs. Kafir" dichotomy. Mankind is one family. Don't let narcissist men like Hitler and Muhammad sunder us with their big lies. Don't become the victim of the "divide and rule" policy of a psychopath. 

Faith Freedom stands for freedom of faith. We are against Hate, not Faith.  We revere human rights not human beliefs. We endeavor to be factually correct, not politically correct. 

Do your part! Let this message out. Let us eradicate Islam and bring mankind together - the way God intended. Islam is the cancer of humanity. We can get rid of it. There is nothing we humans can't do. Mountains move aside to make way for those who are determined.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/

Go through the articles on that front page... I can find articles on the website that claim the holocaust never happened... does that mean it's true? No.... and no gump, you didn't learn anything...



my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.

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Re: oh oh... someone did some reading...
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2006, 09:41:08 AM »
if the read the last thread you would realize that arab slavery was talked about, and it was in no way as bad as white slavery

slavery is slavery
That's what I've been saying. Me and h cottie had a little covnvo about this http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=106219.msg1096504#msg1096504.

It's not a defence in saying you race's slavery was worse then ours. ALL slavery is wrong regardless of whose was worse.
 

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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2006, 10:52:21 AM »
Of course there was slavery... but the article you posted isn't historically accurate. I'll teach you something else, son... anything you read, you have to look at who the author is, what his or her goal is.. as in, what is she trying to emphasize, then analyze how he or she could then have a certain bias towards the subject, which would explain the wording, what debatable info is included, and what's ommitted. In this case, the statement by that website clearly explains itself, so the information they CHOSE to gather and compile would only serve for that "mission". And if you're ignorant enough to believe that "All Muslims, to the extent that they follow him, are terrorists", then you're ignorant enough to buy the bullshit put forward by them.

Anyways, of course there was Arab slavery of Africans... there still is a fucked up situation in Darfur... but who said there wasn't? Nobody is going around saying "We're perfect".... all I do is point out the atrocities of the west when people start saying "we bring freedom to the world" or whatever other bullshit these faggots come up with
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.

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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2006, 11:06:03 AM »
Anyways, of course there was Arab slavery of Africans... there still is a fucked up situation in Darfur... but who said there wasn't? Nobody is going around saying "We're perfect".... all I do is point out the atrocities of the west when people start saying "we bring freedom to the world" or whatever other bullshit these faggots come up with
Have you read any posts by Infinte?
 

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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2006, 11:19:36 AM »

Firstly you are right, if anyone would bother to read they would realise that most "terrorism" is a fabrication or is engineered by the intelligence services of the west. However I can understand the reason for this post I am so sick of being told that whites did this whites did that. It's a fact that white people were also slaves in North Africa, its just taboo to talk about such things because it doesn't fit into the agenda of a "multicultural society" the best way to impose this is to make white people feel terribly guilty for past wrongs which other white people have committed whilst making these people completely oblivious to the fact that north africans also had white people as slaves. The whole thing is sickening that we as a society have to be apologetic for what has gone on in the past. However education has been designed to keep these very basic facts from us. also like has been mentioned before black slavery would not have been possible without the black masters, again though this is never mentioned. Creating this notion that black people were somehow whiter than white. Before any half brain suddenly jumps on my comments and says oh so you dont have a problem with slavery then, yes of course I do I am just poitning out they are manipulating people here to swallow lies and half truths.

Thats on both issues...."terrorism and slavery