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April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« on: April 24, 2006, 08:59:42 PM »
Each year April 24 commemorates the genocide of close to 1.5 million Armenians in Ottoman Turkey (much of it historical Armenian lands). April 24, 1915 was the day when thousands of intellectuals, prominent men, and wealthy Armenians were rounded up and executed all accross Turkey by the orders of the government. What followed was a forced evacuation of all Armenians from their homeland - a process in which more than a million perished by starvation, exhaustion, and massacres. Let us remember the Genocide and pay respect to those innocent people who were ruthlessly killed. A large portion of my ancestry was killed in the Genocide, so this directly affects me, but every person should be concerned with the Armenian genocide because it is a historical fact that is being denied to this day the Turkish government and is not recognized by the United States as a genocide

Read more @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide

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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2006, 09:04:52 PM »
what the fuck are you serious? why did they do that to them?
 

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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2006, 09:15:46 PM »
what the fuck are you serious? why did they do that to them?


Maybe they were afraid Armenia would revolt and break free like Greece. Around that time a lot of Greeks were killed too, but most Greeks in Turkey were cast out and forced back into the land Greece had taken back, I think in hopes of overpopulating the country then taking it back. Those Ottomans were crazy.


It used to be called the Armenian Holocaust, but I guess the Armenian presence in wotld powers isn't as strong as the Jewish oneand we wouldn't want to confuse the two.
 

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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2006, 09:20:48 PM »
that sucks
 

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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2006, 09:31:09 PM »
Yeah its very tragic. My grandmother who died a few years ago used to tell me about how she affected by the genocide even though she was very young because many of our family were lost too. It's one of the most gruesome and tragic events in history that is ignored by most people. The fact that the Turkish government and the uS won't acknowledge it is just sickening. I guess our ancestors just vanished off the face of the earth.

The turn out at the Turkish Consulate was pretty good from what I heard. I know parts of the valley was almost dead since everybody closed down.
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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2006, 09:31:59 PM »
Why won't the US acknowledge it?
 

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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2006, 09:36:40 PM »
Why won't the US acknowledge it?

man the US barely acknowledges what they did to the Indians let alone what happened to the Armenians, they're solution to the problem is to give them some shitty land back. 
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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2006, 09:37:32 PM »
Why won't the US acknowledge it?

Politics. The US has bases on Turkish soil and they don't want to ruin their relationship with them. Bush will make a statement saying what happened to the Armenians was horrible, but they won't ever acknowledge that it was a genocide, just a broad statement.
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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2006, 09:40:49 PM »
Why won't the US acknowledge it?

The U.S. has ties with Turkey, much stronger ties than it does with Armenia. Number one, the U.S. has military bases in Turkey. Number 2, Turkey is one of the few Middle Eastern nations that cooperates with the U.S.

Why Turkey won't recognize it? because they're afraid that some people would ask for monetary reparations or giving lands back. I don't even care about reparations, i just want recognition. The fact is, Turkey won't join the European union because every country in the E.U. has to approve, and last time they voted on it, Austria declided Turkey's entry because of the denial of the Genocide
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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2006, 09:46:50 PM »
Why won't the US acknowledge it?

The U.S. has ties with Turkey, much stronger ties than it does with Armenia. Number one, the U.S. has military bases in Turkey. Number 2, Turkey is one of the few Middle Eastern nations that cooperates with the U.S.

Why Turkey won't recognize it? because they're afraid that some people would ask for monetary reparations or giving lands back. I don't even care about reparations, i just want recognition. The fact is, Turkey won't join the European union because every country in the E.U. has to approve, and last time they voted on it, Austria declided Turkey's entry because of the denial of the Genocide
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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2006, 11:07:35 PM »
My Turkish friend told me that it was the Ottomans who accepted the Armenians into their territory after they were run out of Russia.  Then, some generations later the Armenians stabbed the Ottomans in the back by collaborating with Russia and trying to sabatoge the Ottoman Empire.  So the Ottoman Chaliph decided that the Armenians should have to go back to the Russians and many died along the way.
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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2006, 11:38:41 PM »
My Turkish friend told me that it was the Ottomans who accepted the Armenians into their territory after they were run out of Russia.  Then, some generations later the Armenians stabbed the Ottomans in the back by collaborating with Russia and trying to sabatoge the Ottoman Empire.  So the Ottoman Chaliph decided that the Armenians should have to go back to the Russians and many died along the way.

Modern day Eastern Turkey was historically Western Armenia until the Turks conquered it in the 18th century. Armenians lived within their historical homeland in relative peace with the Turks until WWI. Turks never "accepted" Armenians into their territory because Armenians were already there, it was their land. The thing with Russia is complicated... The Russian Empire in the 1820's fought a war with Turkey and claimed some of the land (which is now the Republic of Armenia) and made it into Russian Empire's Armenian Province. If Russia hadn't done that, the Ottomans would have probably succeeded in killing all of the Armenians. The thing is, Turks are taught lies in their schools, and most of them don't deny the Genocide out of malice ,but because they're misinformed by their goverment and their teachers. Most Turks i've met here at UCSB hardly know anything about the Genocide, their government is trying to wipe it out of history
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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2006, 11:43:44 PM »
That's an interesting perspective. If the Turks wanted to send the Armenians to Russia, they didn't have to escort them on brutal death marches towards the Syrian deserts, south of Russia, raping my ancestors' women and starving them on the way there.
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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2006, 12:02:05 AM »
Yo man, I was just saying what my friend said about it, I don't know much about the subject.  One thing I do know was that I saw a documentary on PBS about the genocide and at the end of the program I looked at the names of the writer, producer and director and they were all 3 Jewish names.  Jews have a stake in making the Ottoman Empire look bad because the Ottoman Empire was the one thing that stood in their way for 400 years and kept them from harming the Palestinians and stealing their land.  Once the Ottoman Empire was out of the picture, it wasn't long before the Jews began occupying Palestine and renamed it Isreal.
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Re: April 24, 1915 - Remember the Genocide
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2006, 12:46:19 AM »
^^your a dispicable man, you have no moral values, islam worped your mind. you can't just acknowdge muslims have done some fucked up shit there no armanian genocide, there no genocide in dalfour etc. but then all u go on about is how fucked up the west is. why don't u just show some fucking judgement and acknowledge muslims can be nasty people too.

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That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?