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Re: Something I wanna address-concerning Stillmati
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2002, 05:11:34 PM »
Stillmatic is a dope album from NAS. I think its truly a classic and was the best album in 2001. True, Nas's lyrics could be studied in Universities in the future sice they are dope, and I really look forward to that day. Nas is one of the best rappers in the industry 2day IMO.

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« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2002, 05:48:16 PM »
The review is finished and Ive already sent it to Icognito. Should be up next week sometime.....
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2002, 06:10:10 PM »
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b/c in previous post u have mentioned that tha blueprint is a 5 mic album an yet you say stillmatic is is 3.25 mics,  an this is comin from a person that rides master p's dick,  can u answer tha question instead of bein a prick,  is that how u get off at night,  by makin smart ass remarks.



Yes ,smart ass remarks are how I get off.  ::rolls eyes::

I just wanna say its pretty sweet  to be the most prominent poster on this site.  I make the posts the whole world responds to , you dig?
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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2002, 06:57:08 PM »
I don't like nas at all but this album wuz pretty dope IMO. But classic? nah i don't think it's a classic but it still is a good album. I give it a 4/5.
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2002, 01:05:25 AM »
Stillmatic is a solid album, but i personally dont consider it a classic, id give it 4/5, for me, the album sends out too many mixed messages, im lookung forward to Hellrazors review as he's obviously taking it to the next level, should be insightfull.

Blueprint, again 4/5, i bumped Blueprint longer then i did Stillmatic, and i was feelin it, you know where you stand with a Jigga album imo, plus 'Renegades' is one of my favourite tracks of the year.

I wouldnt rate neither albums as 'Album of 2001'
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Re: Something I wanna address-concerning Stillmati
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2002, 07:45:46 AM »
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Yes ,smart ass remarks are how I get off.  ::rolls eyes::

I just wanna say its pretty sweet  to be the most prominent poster on this site.  I make the posts the whole world responds to , you dig?

u still avoid tha main question i asked,  what makes tha blueprint such a classic album,  is it so much to ask for a straight answer
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Re: Something I wanna address-concerning Stillmati
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2002, 02:12:19 AM »
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lol you act like jigga that nigga hola hovito and izzo didn't exist on the blueprint

pop songs on album- jay-z has 3 times more pop songs on his album than nas


you act like jigga didn't bite


snoop, e-40, biggie and a slew of others on his album


you act like jay-z's disses weren't immature


lol @ got yourself a gun being the best track...lol this just SHOWS why you don't get respect on the board


well jake...it dependz on what you define as pop songz...?
....izzo iz a certain party jam yea(beatwise)....and you might diss tha beat of izzo that you don"t like (btw...it"z pretty dicent) so much...but as for lyricz...damn...you act like jigga iz tha only person in tha game who spittz all kinds of self proclaimin stuff....i didn"t see any of yall trippen over "x" ...
yes musicly and lyricly "jigga that nigga" iz da worst song on blueprint....but it"z only cauze it"z mediocre....tha rest of tha shit iz top notch...."hola hovito" iz an exelentlly produced and containz jigga"z sharp rhyme spitten....i know dat many of yall hate it cauze of dat shit jigga sayez "if i ain"t btter than big..." etc. but it shouldn"t be a motive for ya hate....
i noticed somethin" intrestin in yo reviewz jake...when NAS does a track bout an unclearly defiend topic(imo he does it even on what yall might consider social comentarry...but it"Z my opnion...HE HAVING A HARD TIME LYRICLY CONSANTRATING imo) ...you call it a free association eastcoast gangsta rap....but when jigga iz spittin some self procalaimin shit or some biographical shit...you dissin it (i ain"t even gonna say that tha topicz should be tha rapperz" choice and that we can"t hate cauze of topicz...but hey)...imo...jigga iz two advanced lyricly for anyone to call him poppy....there iz rapperz that rely on catchy hookz and party beatz to take tha focus of their lack of lyrical skillz....jigga iz far from being like that...hiz lyrical skillz iz too high quallity.
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2002, 03:08:28 AM »
I copped the Blueprint, & yes I do enjoy it, but it wasn't worth 5 mics. The way I see it, Jigga can never match what Nas achieved with Illmatic, & imo It Was Written is even a better album than The Blueprint. Jigga is just an average rapper, whereas Nas is a lyracist.
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Re: Something I wanna address-concerning Stillmati
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2002, 06:51:21 AM »
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I copped the Blueprint, & yes I do enjoy it, but it wasn't worth 5 mics. The way I see it, Jigga can never match what Nas achieved with Illmatic, & imo It Was Written is even a better album than The Blueprint. Jigga is just an average rapper, whereas Nas is a lyracist.


jigga...average rapper?...alow me to dissagree man...while nas waz going through what i like to call ....clearin up all tha misunderstandingz and legendz dat tha (one time) classic ILLMATIC created...destroying any image of a lyrical masaiah dat ILLMATIC  could"ve created, jigga waz making quallity albumz (in ecseption of tha radiculous vol2)...now you might say he iz a lyricist...and of course he iz....but tha only thing that i can understand when peepz prefering him to jigga iz 2 reasonz:
1.tha jigga hating syndrom...that we all came to know in tha period dat followed vol2(reachin mainstream/ crossover sucsess)
2.prefering NASz unbelievable, siquel to RAKIM, vocalz.

i"d like to think that many peepz on this board who r at least in my opnion recognized headz tend to blow up tha second...but it iz not alwayz true. yes nas soundz just like tha 80z lyrical god RAKIM....but neither in hiz lyricz (in exception of ILLMATIC) nor in tha consistency of topical focus iz he on a par wit RA....and tha same goes if you truelly compare him to jigga.....
besidez tha lyrical complexity in what jigga overspittz NAS like a camel (ha ha...hiz lipz...yea i know...:) ), he iz 100 times more consistent both in hiz effortz overall and in hiz stickin to tha main ideaz of hiz trackz...regardless of tha theme/topic of tha track.
but hey if you prefer sonic quallity (what iz tipical for beat listinerz) and you prefer NASz vocalz over jigga"Z unbelieveable rhyme crafting and structuring. than be my guest.

p.s  don"t hate jigga cauze of VOL2 ...yes he needed hiz break into tha mainstreem...i"m almost sure he waz desperate...he put out 2 solid albumz and no one even bothered to recognize tha tellant...so he kinda sold hiz unic ablities for once...for tha mighty buck. i waz dissapointed as well....but after vol3 i waz healed.
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Re: Something I wanna address-concerning Stillmati
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2002, 07:47:21 AM »
basically i put it this way:

nas

illmatic 6/5
it was written 4.25/5
i am 3.5/5
nastradamus 2.5/5
stillmatic 4.5/5


jay-z

RD 4.25/5
vol 1. 4/5
vol 2. 1.5/5
vol 3. 2/5
dynasty 2.5/5
blueprint 4/5

jay-z could never fuck with nas imo they both have their own unique style but jay-z has never been able to be on nas's level
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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2002, 07:54:05 AM »
2pac's lyrics are studied at Universities.  Eminem's lyrics were used in one class a teacher had on Cliche's.  John Lennon's music is studied at University's because it's social commentary on the mindset of the people living in the 60's.  Just like Nas's music offers a compelling look into the mindstate of today's culture.
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Re: Something I wanna address-concerning Stillmati
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2002, 01:18:36 PM »
Jay Z has put only two exceptional albums [Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint] and ONE good album [Vol.1]. Those are his three best albums, but they dont measure up to Illmatic, Stillmatic, and IWW..........Vol.2, Vol.3, and The Dynasty were all TRASH albums from Jigga. Nas had only one trash album [Nastradamus]. All these factors, combined with the fact that Nas is a superior lyricist/story-teller, make him a far better MC than Jigga is.
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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2002, 01:49:07 PM »
its obvious that igeezy rides jayz and hates nas...he is claiming that only illmatic and stillmatic were hot?? what about it was written??? what about half of i am?? and then he has the nerve to say that jiggas only weak cd was vol.2?? i dont know...everyone has their own opinion but if you go verse for verse...track for track...or cd for cd in my opinion nas comes out on top
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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2002, 02:09:18 PM »
yeah just about classic to me. very dope album. all tight shit
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« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2002, 10:14:39 PM »
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its obvious that igeezy rides jayz and hates nas...he is claiming that only illmatic and stillmatic were hot?? what about it was written??? what about half of i am?? and then he has the nerve to say that jiggas only weak cd was vol.2?? i dont know...everyone has their own opinion but if you go verse for verse...track for track...or cd for cd in my opinion nas comes out on top



well....if i"d just say JIGGA  iz great and NAS iz shit....than i"d be a dickrider....but in my previous post i explain word for word...what makes me choose jigga far over NAS....ya can say whatever you want man.....i also explain what in my opinion makes headz that i recognize them as true headz do tha oposite....so just read once again dawg.
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Re: Something I wanna address-concerning Stillmati
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2002, 10:22:57 PM »
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Jay Z has put only two exceptional albums [Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint] and ONE good album [Vol.1]. Those are his three best albums, but they dont measure up to Illmatic, Stillmatic, and IWW..........Vol.2, Vol.3, and The Dynasty were all TRASH albums from Jigga. Nas had only one trash album [Nastradamus]. All these factors, combined with the fact that Nas is a superior lyricist/story-teller, make him a far better MC than Jigga is.


well imo...IWW waz NASz first and big dissapointin factor....not only he lacked that amazing magical spark...that ILLMATIC had....it made (ALONG WIT "i am" and "nastradamus") it look like a quincedence....a one time sucsess...
and as for VOL3 and FAMILIA...
vol3 iz a defenite 4.5....imo...and FAMILIA iz a 4 or a 4.25 (check tha review of FAMILIA i"ve put on tha REVIEWZ board...it"z from a very objective reviewer...that i personally respect alot as a writer.)...
i can go track for track....but it ain"t needed, tha overall quallity of tha albumz iz far superior to NASz atemptz.
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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2002, 12:57:01 PM »
i just find it funny that you can call "it was written" a big disappointment and then in the same post say that "vol. 3" was a definite 4.5.  Let's be honest when you come out with one of the greatest albums ever (illmatic) you're next album will most definitely be a step below....it happens to almost everyone (big jay snoop rae gza).  "it was written" might not have been as good as illmatic but is "vol. 3" as good as 'reasonable doubt"??? i dont think so.
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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2002, 01:03:19 PM »
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i just find it funny that you can call "it was written" a big disappointment and then in the same post say that "vol. 3" was a definite 4.5.  Let's be honest when you come out with one of the greatest albums ever (illmatic) you're next album will most definitely be a step below....it happens to almost everyone (big jay snoop rae gza).  "it was written" might not have been as good as illmatic but is "vol. 3" as good as 'reasonable doubt"??? i dont think so.



Thats what im saying. ANY Nas album is 200 times better than that piece of trash album called Vol.3........
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« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2002, 06:13:57 AM »
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Thats what im saying. ANY Nas album is 200 times better than that piece of trash album called Vol.3........


you want me to put ona review for VOL3?..:)...
listen... for me VOL3  waz all what VOL2 wazn"t and much...much more....trackz like
watch me
dope man
anythang
NYMP
so ghetto
come and get me

iz all top notch ...and i can"t believe what power haz tha jigga hating syndrom, reached.
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« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2002, 06:55:59 AM »
first of all i dont need your review cause i have all his albums...so im not hating...first of all most of those songs you named were tight but "anything"????? that song was hot gahbage.......second of all you left out all the average songs like "things that u do" and "big pimpin" and the garbage like "s.carter" and "pop 4 roc"....im not hating on vol.3 it is better than vol.2 and probably about 4 mics but definitely not anymore than that....
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« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2002, 07:34:49 AM »
NAS IS THE KING.   STRAIGHT THE FUCK UP.   JAYZ IS IN SECOND PLACE.   PERIOD.
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NAS IS THE KING.   STRAIGHT THE FUCK UP.   JAYZ IS IN SECOND PLACE.   PERIOD.
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« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2002, 04:17:50 PM »
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If you say so
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see , to me, people shouldnt beef over this kinda shit...just cuz nas n jay got beef people wanna stick up for them...thas like if someone said snoop was king and the next man said it was dre, no one would beef cuz they cool right?  but in here, people actin like they know nas n jay and they got to stick up for them and shit...and i dont think jay z's wack, i think all his albums are great, same w/ nas...but right now, nas is on another level that jayz never been at...hes hungry, wants the crown back...jay been stuck on the same issues for his last few albums, nas is on another lever emotionaly, spiritually, whatever u call it. u can hear it in his voice and feel it in his lyrics. i ve been a fan of nas and jayz music for a long time now and i aint defendin one man, just listen and u can hear it...songs like what goes around, one mic, and rule seperate nas from jay z...take a listen...i did...and you'll see
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« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2002, 04:33:57 PM »
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A whole lot

Yeah, I've got both Stillmatic & Blueprint, and could give a mad fuck about who is the "king" whateva dawg.::)
What I think makes Jigga a tad bit sharper than Nas, is all the average tracks Nas puts out. Also, while both rappers sound full of themselves, Nas doesn't sound any convincing neither in interviews or on record. I know he's lying much of the time, it's when he gets philosophical he's at his best, but when does reach that "next" level, the beat doesn't always match his lyrics, and therefore the final outcome doesn't get as good as it could have been.
Either way, fuck the king-shit, they both will survive as artists.
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« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2002, 04:59:28 AM »
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first of all i dont need your review cause i have all his albums...so im not hating...first of all most of those songs you named were tight but "anything"????? that song was hot gahbage.......second of all you left out all the average songs like "things that u do" and "big pimpin" and the garbage like "s.carter" and "pop 4 roc"....im not hating on vol.3 it is better than vol.2 and probably about 4 mics but definitely not anymore than that....


yes you right bout "pop 4 roc"...that realy waz a pretty anoying track...filled over tha top wit  r.o.c"z JIGGA wannabez.....but as for "S.CARTER"....tha only thing i din"t like bout "s.carter" iz AMIL(and not to a point i cant take it...she wan"t there long enough :) ).....as for "thingz dat you do"...yea ...it waz kinda dancy and shit...may be even comersially motivated....but...JIGGAz lyricz waz sharp as fuck (datz one of JIGGA ADVANTAGEZ...even some comersially motivated piecez sound fresh lyricwise)...and tha only flaw of this track iz it"z beat....
lol..."BIG pimpin" waz not less of a track than ...hmmm letz say...westcoastez... DREz/kutruptz "housewife"...for example,
....just "pimpin" had much better crafted lyricz...while waz entertainin" just as much.
SO BASICLY....this album haz a coupla flawz(dat"z why it ain"t a 5)....a very lil number of"em that mainly r driven from tha fact jigga waz trying to promote hiz rocafella inmates....ALONG WIT A COUPLA WEAK BEATZ.....but tha weak momentz iz easily overshadowed by tha overall quallity of this album....tha lyrical structuring iz a + factor for this piece.


p.s "anythang" waz tight.....
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