quick question for abdul imam..

[Diabolical]

I don't think Infinite is responsible for all Muslims around the world.

And how does anyone explain the amount of Christians who kill, rape, steal or deal drugs? Or how about Americans, are they responsible for their rapists, or Australia, Britan, France or Norway?

[Kassem]

most of these muslims in france and britian don't represent islam, and if u wanna go this path wat about all the crimes in america. 50 cent puts a cross from that i get christianinty is about drugs ,shooting and bling .

[h cottie is bac-tive?]

one of the lowest crime rates for an urban city

wait a minute, a muslim city has high crime rate and povert !?!?! NOOOO WAY, dont tell infinite, his head will explode.

[coola]

Man the point of this thread, was to address Infinite in how he blindly thinks Islam, and all it's people are perfect.

What tipped this over the edge, was when Infinite was saying that Arabs and Africans lived in peace and harmony, and developed a 'beautiful' relationship. And when white people colonised, all they achieved was famine and disease.

I'm not saying white people didnt fuck shit up, but he better not spread bullshit saying arabs are so innocent and peaceful. What infinite chose to ignore, in his post, was histories second biggest genocide.

[coola]

and from what i saw in Cairo, all the military presense, i'm surprised it's so safe. Why would they need armed MP at each street corner ?

and don rizzle, coming to think of it, we did have a police escort, but onle when we travelled in a convoy from Hurgada to Cairo... they decided to increase security on these convoys because of that shooting 10 years back, where a bus got shot up with AK's.

[Kassem]

i am not talking about tourist sfaety . am talking about ghettos in egypt are safe.i wouldn't be scared to walk in any place in egypt. and about turks well they are white muslims not arabs. and a lot of armenians escaped to the arab world after the genocide.

[nibs]

Man the point of this thread, was to address Infinite in how he blindly thinks Islam, and all it's people are perfect.

What tipped this over the edge, was when Infinite was saying that Arabs and Africans lived in peace and harmony, and developed a 'beautiful' relationship. And when white people colonised, all they achieved was famine and disease.

I'm not saying white people didnt fuck shit up, but he better not spread bullshit saying arabs are so innocent and peaceful. What infinite chose to ignore, in his post, was histories second biggest genocide.

where did infinite say that?  wasn't there a recent thread about the arab slave trade in north east africa?  the reason egypt is predominantly arab now, or an arab african blend, (especially norther egypt) is that it was conquered, enslaved...etc.

a) you miss the point of that infinite was saying.  he was critiquing self-destructive cultures and values, and pointing out how those values were contradictory to the teachings of islam.  noone has ever denied that point; people have only pointed out (best illustrated by rod) that even within the muslim world there isn't necessarily this strict adherence to the principles of islam.  even in this light infinite's argument still maintains it's potency;  and could easily be applied to those within the muslim world whose actions are contradictory to the teachings of islam as well.

b) you continue to use arab and muslim interchangeably, when most muslims are not arabs.  much of africa is muslim, africans are not arabs.  south asia, including pakistan, maylasia, afghanistan, indonesia...they also are not arabs.  even in the middle east iran is mostly persian and less than 5% arab.  your insistence on using arab and muslim interchangeably only demonstrates an unfamiliarity with the breadth of the muslim world.

[Kassem]

nibs about egypt. the muslim invasion was welcomed as it allawed the coptic church to function, the byzantine empire were at the time imposing cathiolicism.and country became arabic only by  about 1000  .300 years after that

[Eihtball]

50 cent puts a cross from that i get christianinty is about drugs ,shooting and bling .

You do realize 50 Cent's name has its roots in the kabalah system used by the Five-Percent Nation of Islam?

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

You do realize 50 Cent's name has its roots in the kabalah system used by the Five-Percent Nation of Islam?

That's interesting, I'd like to know more, could you explain?

[Eihtball]

That's interesting, I'd like to know more, could you explain?

Somebody mentioned it on SOHH a while back.  I don't remember everything, but apparently, it's part of a fortune-telling tradition amongst Five-Percenters that they borrowed from Jewish mysticism...you actually pay 50 cents for a tarot card, so you get your horoscope by saying, "I'll have my 50 cent made today" or something to that effect.  I'm afraid I can't confirm any of this, tho, cause I've never known any Five-Percenters (only NOIers).

I don't mean to imply that I think 50 Cent is a Five-Percenter, however...he just stole his name from an infamous stick-up kid/hustler in Brooklyn.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Somebody mentioned it on SOHH a while back.  I don't remember everything, but apparently, it's part of a fortune-telling tradition amongst Five-Percenters that they borrowed from Jewish mysticism...you actually pay 50 cents for a tarot card, so you get your horoscope by saying, "I'll have my 50 cent made today" or something to that effect.  I'm afraid I can't confirm any of this, tho, cause I've never known any Five-Percenters (only NOIers).

I don't mean to imply that I think 50 Cent is a Five-Percenter, however...he just stole his name from an infamous stick-up kid/hustler in Brooklyn.

Interesting, thanks for the info.

[coola]

Man the point of this thread, was to address Infinite in how he blindly thinks Islam, and all it's people are perfect.

What tipped this over the edge, was when Infinite was saying that Arabs and Africans lived in peace and harmony, and developed a 'beautiful' relationship. And when white people colonised, all they achieved was famine and disease.

I'm not saying white people didnt fuck shit up, but he better not spread bullshit saying arabs are so innocent and peaceful. What infinite chose to ignore, in his post, was histories second biggest genocide.

where did infinite say that?  wasn't there a recent thread about the arab slave trade in north east africa?  the reason egypt is predominantly arab now, or an arab african blend, (especially norther egypt) is that it was conquered, enslaved...etc.

do u realise that janjaweed are also black

Arabs have always been a friend to Africans.  Arabs and Africans have a beautiful relationship.  When Arabs came to Africa, the result you see is Empires like the one in Mali headed by Mansa Musa, or the kingdoms that used to exist on the East Coast of Africa in partnership with Southern Arabia.  But since white Christians have entered Africa in the 19th century all you see is death, disease and famine.

basically, infinites cravings to be non-white are evident when he makes ignorant statements like these.

and i keep interchanging between arabs and muslims, because infinite praises not only muslims blindly, but also arabs. if he wants to pick out all the dumbass white people that have existed, maybe he should compare them to the dumbass arabs and muslims ? oh wait, they dont exist, my bad.

let me just add, the arab tour guide we hand in Egypt was a racist piece of shit towards black people, i would be surprised if he didnt hate white people either, but were his bread and butter, he wont brag about that...

[J Bananas]

 boy is a disgrace to the race

[nibs]

Arabs have always been a friend to Africans.  Arabs and Africans have a beautiful relationship.  When Arabs came to Africa, the result you see is Empires like the one in Mali headed by Mansa Musa, or the kingdoms that used to exist on the East Coast of Africa in partnership with Southern Arabia.  But since white Christians have entered Africa in the 19th century all you see is death, disease and famine.

basically, infinites cravings to be non-white are evident when he makes ignorant statements like these.

i don't think it makes sense to ignore the slave trade; clearly the enslaved were not happy with that arrangement.

"arab" typically is loosely defined by language and culture and not strictly as a race or ethnic group.  in that sense, the africans that embraced the arab presence and islam became "fully assimilated" within the arab world.  all of those north african arab states have an ethnic/racial composition that contrasts  with those of saudi arabia (or the arabian penninsula in general).  you don't find that sort of blending and assimilation with the european colonizations.  in that sense there is an argument to be made.  but it seems clear that there have been tensions between africans and arabs, partially along racial lines, and partially along religious lines in the cases where african populations have not embraced islam.  if you look at the darfur, it has been described as arabs vs africans, but most of the africans in the sudan also have african roots whether it be egyptian or nubian.

i don't agree completely with infinite on this issue; but your suggestion that the arab/african relationship has been like european colonization has no basis.  arab culture has been fully embraced by the peoples of many african nations (after being conquered); what former european colony in africa can make the same argument?  you are effectively comparing assimilation into the arab world, with colonization and exploitation by the european world.