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Should alcohol be legal?

Yes
21 (80.8%)
No
5 (19.2%)

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acgrundy

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Re: Should alcohol be legal?
« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2006, 11:37:28 PM »
I've been drunk a countless amount of times, and I have made many many stupid decisions while drunk.  Everybody makes stupid decisions when they are drunk, its just part of being drunk, in fact many people make a stupid decision at least once every single time they are drunk.  I have driven a vehicle probably 1000's of times more than I have been drunk, yet I have probably only made over a handfull of stupid decisions while driving.  (You can't count this theory for drinking and driving tho)  Hundreds of millions of people drive, and yes there are many many stupid drivers, which as I said before is because the majority of people are stupid.  But alcohol makes you even more stupid, driving doesn't.  Not to mention that driving becomes an important part of a person's life in America.  Every decent american citizens who doesn't live in NY city, will own a car and drive for most of their life.  A car is essential to most people, eg. to drive to work, school, store, out of town, etc.  Alcohol does nothing positive to a person's life.  which is why the age of becoming legally able to drive should logically be younger than the age of drinking alcohol legally.


No that wasn't my point with the guns.  My point was that a person does not think "hey I have an easy sure fire way to kill that guy, so I'm gonna do it", they think "I want to kill that person, what would be the best way to do it?"  In other words the thought process doesn't go:

man sees gun, man picks up gun, man decides to go kill another man

it goes like this

man decides to go kill a man, man sees gun, man picks up gun

If guns didn't exist, it would be something else.  replace gun with a blank spot and fill in whatever u like.

Like I said, most of the murders that happen with guns are done with illegal guns, guns used by people who are legally no able to permit a gun, or people who just don't plain flat out know how to handle a gun.  Pot is illegal here, yet I have been getting it for over 10 years at the snap of my fingers.  All drugs are illegal, yes most are extremely easy to get.  I've never looked to buy a gun on the black market, but I guarantee I could.  At least if guns are legal people can practice safely using them.  Making guns illegal is not the solution to the problem.  The people is the problem. 
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Jome

Re: Should alcohol be legal?
« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2006, 12:30:39 AM »
I've been drunk a countless amount of times, and I have made many many stupid decisions while drunk.  Everybody makes stupid decisions when they are drunk, its just part of being drunk, in fact many people make a stupid decision at least once every single time they are drunk.  I have driven a vehicle probably 1000's of times more than I have been drunk, yet I have probably only made over a handfull of stupid decisions while driving.  (You can't count this theory for drinking and driving tho)  Hundreds of millions of people drive, and yes there are many many stupid drivers, which as I said before is because the majority of people are stupid.  But alcohol makes you even more stupid, driving doesn't.  Not to mention that driving becomes an important part of a person's life in America.  Every decent american citizens who doesn't live in NY city, will own a car and drive for most of their life.  A car is essential to most people, eg. to drive to work, school, store, out of town, etc.  Alcohol does nothing positive to a person's life.  which is why the age of becoming legally able to drive should logically be younger than the age of drinking alcohol legally.

Well, I wasn't comparing drinking to driving a car, if that's what you thought, driving doesn't make you drunk.
I'm saying, why are you grown enough to maneuver a 1000 kilo (++) vehicle at 16 years old, with all the countless risks involved here.. but you're not grown enough to drink alcohol at 18 years old, just doesn't make sense to most non-Americans.


No that wasn't my point with the guns.  My point was that a person does not think "hey I have an easy sure fire way to kill that guy, so I'm gonna do it", they think "I want to kill that person, what would be the best way to do it?"  In other words the thought process doesn't go:

man sees gun, man picks up gun, man decides to go kill another man

it goes like this

man decides to go kill a man, man sees gun, man picks up gun

If guns didn't exist, it would be something else.  replace gun with a blank spot and fill in whatever u like.

Like I said, most of the murders that happen with guns are done with illegal guns, guns used by people who are legally no able to permit a gun, or people who just don't plain flat out know how to handle a gun.  Pot is illegal here, yet I have been getting it for over 10 years at the snap of my fingers.  All drugs are illegal, yes most are extremely easy to get.  I've never looked to buy a gun on the black market, but I guarantee I could.  At least if guns are legal people can practice safely using them.  Making guns illegal is not the solution to the problem.  The people is the problem.    P


So, you're basically saying..
* Dream scenario - there's no illegal guns in society, and the people who own legal guns know how to use them safely during competitions/training.
* Real Life - People are dumb as fuck in general, illegal guns outnumbers the legal guns and it's easier accessible than the legal guns, and there's little to no control what-so-ever on the black market, inevitable resulting in thousands of unnecessary deaths every month, all year around.

To stop illegal guns, you can't just say "Aight, only legal guns are allowed from now on", leads to pretty much nowhere, that dream scenario will stay just that.
You say yourself that any moron can go get a gun if he wants.. not where I'm from.. guns breed guns, the more legal guns in circulation, the more illegal guns there will be in circulation, it's all tied up.

 

acgrundy

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Re: Should alcohol be legal?
« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2006, 08:43:02 AM »
no you pretty much got me completely wrong on both points.  In my first point about the car/drunk scenario I pretty much completely explained the logical reasoning behind why the age of getting a drivers license is youger than the age of drinking.  Not quite sure how you missed that one.  I completely summed up why the risks of driving a car are better and more essential than the risks of drinking.

and the gun one, I don't know what you are saying, so no i'm not basically saying that.  I'm saying exactly what I said, not what you think I'm basically saying.  Again like I said before, there are millions of gun owners in the USA, yet there is thousands, not tens of thousands, deaths by guns in the usa each year.  Its not the guns, its the people, and if they didn't have guns they would use something else, eg. the unibomer, the oaklahoma city bombing, 9/11, running someone over, etc.