Tray Deee: Lyrical Beast?

[Quadruple OG]

I'm separating this one from al Bundy's thread since that one's about 40 and Rasheed Wallace, but since a couple people on this board think Tray Deee is a God on the mic, I'm here to get everyone's opinion on this.  Don't get me wrong, Tray Deee's a good rapper, however as a lyricist, he wouldn't be considered in the top 150 (if there was ever such a list.  For those that think Tray Deee is an incredible lyricist, post a memorable verse, because none come to mind.  In the meantime, here's a list of artists that would, in a battle, embarrass Tray Deee (and people who think that he is an incredible lyricist):

Roscoe
Crooked I
The Game
Techniec
Ras Kass
Tri-Star
Sly Boogy
Xzibit
Ya Boy
Cassidy
Papoose
Domination
Fabolous
Joe Budden
Juelz Santana
Rakim
Jadakiss
Styles P
Jae Hood
Nas
Cyssero
Eastwood
2pac and Biggie (they've been dead for 10 years and Tray Deee still couldn't write a battle verse better than these two)

[UKnowWhatItIs: welcome to my traps....game over]

Definately one of the best from the west, & these people here either fell off or were never that good to begin with (in mcing):
Roscoe
The Game
Techniec
Tri-Star
Sly Boogy
Domination
Fabolous
Joe Budden
Juelz Santana
Styles P
Jae Hood
A huge lol at Domination, I understand you're a fan of his but please, don't call this guy an mc.

[Quadruple OG]

Definately one of the best from the west, & these people here either fell off or were never that good to begin with (in mcing):
Roscoe
The Game
Techniec
Tri-Star
Sly Boogy
Domination
Fabolous
Joe Budden
Juelz Santana
Styles P
Jae Hood
A huge lol at Domination, I understand you're a fan of his but please, don't call this guy an mc.

even after they've fallen off, they're still better lyricists that Tray Deee

[Wild_Elmo]

Looks like you're losing the battle. Peep the song Hard Times On Planet Earth Ft. Bad Azz

[Bigg $amo]

Ya see my ways is to phase all them niggaz that try me
Leave em layin stiff if they ain't on IV's (beep, beep)
I beez the hardest, regardless fool
Livin life day and night stayin hard and cruel
Keep my cool, until my mood abruptly switch
Then I'm on a niggaz ass like bumpy zits (that's right)
It's no remorse when you cross my course
I'm not a hunter, but take a nigga out for sports
Don't resorts, to thinkin you could get with this
Or you will be a eulogy if you insist to diss
Mista Tray Dee, from L.O.N.G.
B.E.A.C.H., where the hardest gangstas be
Twenty-first was the worstest turf on the earth
Yet I feel I was meant to represent from birth
til I die, you wonder why it ain't no secret
Motherfuckers best be in love with this G shit
Now there's, nowhere, for me, to turn
Nowhere for me to hide from reality




I had no choice or remorse for time for puttin it down
Niggas know the scoop is stupid if they come from my town
I been around since the Jumpstreet makin it pop
Young crook keepin hook,nigga,shakin the spot
Had to be a standout not to get ran out
Look for help,you help yourself cos there's no handout
Since the city Long Beach is only G's and hos
You hold on ya heat but them fiendish foes
Trust,bust,be aware and I ain't ya curse
Cos the niggas that I dared to (?agank?) the first
Think I might be deceased 'fore I reach my calling
As long as I'm haulin my heat I'm stallin
I bring it to ya hard from the streets of life
Where niggas get rewarded to grief for strikes
Don't speak on the creep,mo' fools is listenin
And war story glory ain't worth the riskin
Real niggas still get a mob like respect
If you represent ya set,till ya bite the deck
Who I be?I'm the Dee,nigga check the file
Under G you will see not to sweat my style
I'm takin em out!



& the whole Izuwitit track... tray dee always been one of my favorites from the west he made the eastsidaz a perfect group imo. and u know he beez the hardest..


and lol @ comparing lyricists with a battle. the greatest lyricists in the games are not battle rappers and battle raps do not bring lyricsm

[Narrator]

and lol @ comparing lyricists with a battle. the greatest lyricists in the games are not battle rappers and battle raps do not bring lyricsm

Indeed, I was bout to say...and frankly, Tray Dee isn't really a lyricist, either.  Dude ain't on any Cube/Pac shit, and he isn't exactly a storyteller or anything either.

He does, however, have a nice mackish voice and a good ability to shift his flow at ease much like Snoop.  Long Beach niggas are probably the smoothest-flowing cats in the West.

[Quadruple OG]

and lol @ comparing lyricists with a battle. the greatest lyricists in the games are not battle rappers and battle raps do not bring lyricsm

Indeed, I was bout to say...and frankly, Tray Dee isn't really a lyricist, either.  Dude ain't on any Cube/Pac shit, and he isn't exactly a storyteller or anything either.

He does, however, have a nice mackish voice and a good ability to shift his flow at ease much like Snoop.  Long Beach niggas are probably the smoothest-flowing cats in the West.

exactly....I'm talkin strictly lyricism here....Tray Deee is average on the mic at best.  Although this board's biased towards anything DPG related is on par with Fox News bias towards the Republican Party, which explains why people on this board think he's a GOAT MC.

[Quadruple OG]

Ya see my ways is to phase all them niggaz that try me
Leave em layin stiff if they ain't on IV's (beep, beep)
I beez the hardest, regardless fool
Livin life day and night stayin hard and cruel
Keep my cool, until my mood abruptly switch
Then I'm on a niggaz ass like bumpy zits (that's right)
It's no remorse when you cross my course
I'm not a hunter, but take a nigga out for sports
Don't resorts, to thinkin you could get with this
Or you will be a eulogy if you insist to diss
Mista Tray Dee, from L.O.N.G.
B.E.A.C.H., where the hardest gangstas be
Twenty-first was the worstest turf on the earth
Yet I feel I was meant to represent from birth
til I die, you wonder why it ain't no secret
Motherfuckers best be in love with this G shit
Now there's, nowhere, for me, to turn
Nowhere for me to hide from reality




I had no choice or remorse for time for puttin it down
Niggas know the scoop is stupid if they come from my town
I been around since the Jumpstreet makin it pop
Young crook keepin hook,nigga,shakin the spot
Had to be a standout not to get ran out
Look for help,you help yourself cos there's no handout
Since the city Long Beach is only G's and hos
You hold on ya heat but them fiendish foes
Trust,bust,be aware and I ain't ya curse
Cos the niggas that I dared to (?agank?) the first
Think I might be deceased 'fore I reach my calling
As long as I'm haulin my heat I'm stallin
I bring it to ya hard from the streets of life
Where niggas get rewarded to grief for strikes
Don't speak on the creep,mo' fools is listenin
And war story glory ain't worth the riskin
Real niggas still get a mob like respect
If you represent ya set,till ya bite the deck
Who I be?I'm the Dee,nigga check the file
Under G you will see not to sweat my style
I'm takin em out!



& the whole Izuwitit track... tray dee always been one of my favorites from the west he made the eastsidaz a perfect group imo. and u know he beez the hardest..


and lol @ comparing lyricists with a battle. the greatest lyricists in the games are not battle rappers and battle raps do not bring lyricsm

lyrically, Ya Boy's "100 Bars of Crack" > any verse Tray Deee has ever spit

[BigBDrugStores]

from the eastsidaz right? that dude sucks

[Quadruple OG]

from the eastsidaz right? that dude sucks

ya, according to this board, Tray Deee is a GOAT lyricist

[WestCoasta]

I don't know about a crazy lyricist...


he doesn't use big words and shit, but he is real good, rarely heard him slip up

plus the gangster persona is used well in his raps, that's basically all it is

he's got good presence tho, always makes the track that much harder when he's on it...


I wouldn't say lyrical beast tho, many people can do full songs better than he could

[Bigg $amo]

yeah obviously hes no lyrical beast but hes pretty dope and makes a good track great sometimes..

lyrically, Ya Boy's "100 Bars of Crack" > any verse Tray Deee has ever spit

that shit was wack. obviously you dont know what "lyrical" is..

[acgrundy]

I'm separating this one from al Bundy's thread since that one's about 40 and Rasheed Wallace, but since a couple people on this board think Tray Deee is a God on the mic, I'm here to get everyone's opinion on this.  Don't get me wrong, Tray Deee's a good rapper, however as a lyricist, he wouldn't be considered in the top 150 (if there was ever such a list.  For those that think Tray Deee is an incredible lyricist, post a memorable verse, because none come to mind.  In the meantime, here's a list of artists that would, in a battle, embarrass Tray Deee (and people who think that he is an incredible lyricist):

Roscoe
Crooked I
The Game
Techniec
Ras Kass
Tri-Star
Sly Boogy
Xzibit
Ya Boy
Cassidy
Papoose
Domination
Fabolous
Joe Budden
Juelz Santana
Rakim
Jadakiss
Styles P
Jae Hood
Nas
Cyssero
Eastwood
2pac and Biggie (they've been dead for 10 years and Tray Deee still couldn't write a battle verse better than these two)

Lets get something straight:
I have never ever ever in my life said one thing about tray deee being a battle rapper or a lyricist.  I could give a fuck about either.  I said Tray Deee is a beast on the mic, and the best there is.  There is a whole lot that goes into "the best there is" including, lyrics, flow, voice, charisma, mic presence, etc.  Half those people in your list, I wouldn't listen to if my choices were them or Jessica Simspon.

So whatever it is you are out to prove, I don't care, I think your wrong.  If EVERY SINGLE person on this forum voted your side, except for me, I would consider everysingle person on this forum wrong.  Tray deee has never dropped a bad verse, and always makes a song better.  He is the best there is, hands down.

[Quadruple OG]

Tray deee has never dropped a bad verse, and always makes a song better

you must have missed the beginning of what I said

Don't get me wrong, Tray Deee's a good rapper, however as a lyricist, he wouldn't be considered

To your credit, I will give you that Tray Deee is very charismatic, has a unique voice, and can flow, however when you compare subject matter, versatility, and writing ability he doesn't have shit on 85% of the rappers out.  CPO Boss Hogg has a unique voice and flow, so does that make him a great lyricist?

Tray Deee has little versatility compared to many MC's.  If I want a hot 16 about the streets of Long Beach and what happens there, then I'll holla at Tray Deee.  Anything else, I'll look elsewhere.

On a side note, how much longer is he in prison?

[acgrundy]

I disagree with you on writing ability.  He writes about gangsta shit, and he makes it sound much more interesting than , well , anyone.  So he doesn't write about the latest landscape tips and atkins diet, big deal, I don't wanna hear about that, I listen to gangsta rap, to, well hear gangsta shit.


Tha Eastsidaz f/ FT - Hightimes
Tray Deee f/ Bad Azz - Hardtimes on planet earth
Snoop Dogg f/ Tray Deee - OJ Wake Up
Tray Deee f/ Snoop , Kokane - Now is the time
Tha Eastsidaz - Milk and Honey
Tha EAstsidaz f/ BAd azz - Nigga 4 Life
IV Life f/ Tray Deee - Cali Swangin
LBC Crew - Beware of My Crew
Tray Deee - Take Cover
Daz, Tray Deee, Snoop - Downtown Assassins
Tray Deee - I Beez tha Hardest
Tray Deee, So Sentrell - Droppin Bombs
Everysong he is on on Daz RR&GB
Everysong he is on on the 1st 19th Street Comp

and thats just a real quick list, he has a lot more.  Ain't no one fuckin with his verses on these songs.  Yeah, just about every verse is about gangsta shit, but that is what tray deee does.  He mixes up quite a few words tho, and he is very lyrical compared to most gangsta rappers.  And besides lyricism on these songs, tray deee also showcases so much more, he just takes over the songs, he is felt.  So many of your rappers listed  could never see tray deee on a song.

You are a joke with your list.  The only thing I can think of is you don't know what good rap music is.