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Islamic Law continues to spread in Britain
« on: November 29, 2006, 12:05:51 PM »
Let's all celebrate the joys of multiculturalism, shall we?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=Y3UZA1RZGTHK5QFIQMFSFGGAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2006/11/29/nsharia29.xml

Sharia law is spreading as authority wanes
By Joshua Rozenberg, Legal Editor
Last Updated: 2:03am GMT 29/11/2006



Islamic sharia law is gaining an increasing foothold in parts of Britain, a report claims.

Sharia, derived from several sources including the Koran, is applied to varying degrees in predominantly Muslim countries but it has no binding status in Britain.

   
The Koran is one of the sources that Sharia derives from

 
However, the BBC Radio 4 programme Law in Action produced evidence yesterday that it was being used by some Muslims as an alternative to English criminal law. Aydarus Yusuf, 29, a youth worker from Somalia, recalled a stabbing case that was decided by an unofficial Somali "court" sitting in Woolwich, south-east London.

Mr Yusuf said a group of Somali youths were arrested on suspicion of stabbing another Somali teenager. The victim's family told the police it would be settled out of court and the suspects were released on bail.

A hearing was convened and elders ordered the assailants to compensate their victim. "All their uncles and their fathers were there," said Mr Yusuf. "So they all put something towards that and apologised for the wrongdoing."

Although Scotland Yard had no information about that case yesterday, a spokesman said it was common for the police not to proceed with assault cases if the victims decided not to press charges.

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However, the spokesman said cases of domestic violence, including rape, might go to trial regardless of the victim's wishes.

Mr Yusuf told the programme he felt more bound by the traditional law of his birth than by the laws of his adopted country. "Us Somalis, wherever we are in the world, we have our own law," he said. "It's not sharia, it's not religious — it's just a cultural thing."

Sharia's great strength was the effectiveness of its penalties, he said. Those who appeared before religious courts would avoid re-offending so as not to bring shame on their families.

Some lawyers welcomed the advance of what has become known as "legal pluralism".

Dr Prakash Shah, a senior lecturer in law at Queen Mary University of London, said such tribunals "could be more effective than the formal legal system".

In his book Islam in Britain, Patrick Sookhdeo, director of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity, says there is an "alternative parallel unofficial legal system" that operates in the Muslim community on a voluntary basis.

"Sharia courts now operate in most larger cities, with different sectarian and ethnic groups operating their own courts that cater to their specific needs according to their traditions," he says. These are based on sharia councils, set up in Britain to help Muslims solve family and personal problems.

Sharia councils may grant divorces under religious law to a woman whose husband refuses to complete a civil divorce by declaring his marriage over. There is evidence that these councils are evolving into courts of arbitration.

Faizul Aqtab Siddiqi, a barrister and principal of Hijaz College Islamic University, near Nuneaton, Warwicks, said this type of court had advantages for Muslims. "It operates on a low budget, it operates on very small timescales and the process and the laws of evidence are far more lenient and it's less awesome an environment than the English courts," he said.

Mr Siddiqi predicted that there would be a formal network of Muslim courts within a decade.

"I was speaking to a police officer who said we no longer have the bobby on the beat who will give somebody a slap on the wrist.

"So I think there is a case to be made under which the elders sit together and reprimand people, trying to get them to change."
 
 

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Re: Islamic Law continues to spread in Britain
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2006, 12:11:55 PM »
well i read the same article earlier and did u know that similar jewish laws courts are already established in britian i don't see u getting mad at that
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Re: Islamic Law continues to spread in Britain
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2006, 12:19:05 PM »

Listen you shit for brains, from all of the horrible draconian laws which are being thrown in to criminalise free speech, the national id card now in full swing. That stalinesque Tony Blair making no secret of his desire to have the DNA of every single citizen of the uk stored on a giant database. I really could not give a damn about your completely programmed response to apologise for everything except anything to do with muslims.
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Re: Islamic Law continues to spread in Britain
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2006, 12:19:14 PM »
Let's all celebrate the joys of multiculturalism, shall we?

Multiculturalism is what this country was founded on, devil.  But yes, I know it upsets you...that proves you are evil, and that is why you will soon die a horrible, painful death when the revolution comes.  You must really want it to hurt.
 

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Re: Islamic Law continues to spread in Britain
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2006, 12:26:42 PM »

However I never said that multiculturalism isn't bullshit
 

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Re: Islamic Law continues to spread in Britain
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2006, 12:46:29 PM »

However I never said that multiculturalism isn't bullshit

And I never said that you, too, won't die when the GODS take back the planet.
 

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Re: Islamic Law continues to spread in Britain
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2006, 03:08:21 PM »

You are going to hell for your sick evil thoughts, it's not my fault that you got your ass whooped by some white boys. Let me guess they stole your sneakers so now your senselessly hating all white people for it, man up pussy haha
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2006, 03:40:28 PM »
You are going to hell for your sick evil thoughts, it's not my fault that you got your ass whooped by some white boys. Let me guess they stole your sneakers so now your senselessly hating all white people for it, man up pussy haha

No, I simply think that the devil's refusal to atone for his evils necesitates his removal from the set.  It's not "sick" or "evil" to hate somebody who wronged you, especially when they never apologize.  It proves that you have a right to go out and kill them, and show them no mercy, for they deserve none.

But trust me, I would never get my ass whooped by a bunch of those Yakub Crew.  I just stomp em out when I don't feel like bussin the chopper.
 

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Re: Islamic Law continues to spread in Britain
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2006, 04:05:08 PM »
This is where you have got it deeply twisted
1) I never said the elite were not devils
2) White people were also slaves at the same time of black people being slaves, what do you think the magna carta was about you fool, the difference was that black people were thought of as even lesser slaves
3) Therefore don't act as if you are the only one that has been wronged
4) This draconianism affects all races you fool
5) It is senseless because like I just said white people were treated like shit to
6) The fact that you don't see it as evil to be talking about the need for all white people to be killed shows that evil
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2006, 05:01:51 PM »
This is where you have got it deeply twisted
1) I never said the elite were not devils
2) White people were also slaves at the same time of black people being slaves, what do you think the magna carta was about you fool, the difference was that black people were thought of as even lesser slaves
3) Therefore don't act as if you are the only one that has been wronged
4) This draconianism affects all races you fool
5) It is senseless because like I just said white people were treated like shit to
6) The fact that you don't see it as evil to be talking about the need for all white people to be killed shows that evil

Nope, YOU got it twisted.  See, Allah taught me that the white devil is inherently evil.  That is in your nature.  While not all white people act devlish, the tendencies will always be there.  Allah said I can't spare any of you...therefore, I will exterminate you all come Judgment Day.

And do NOT compare indentured servitude to slavery...there is no comparison.  About the only thing that's at all comparable is serfdom in Russia, and even that wasn't as bad.
 

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Re: Islamic Law continues to spread in Britain
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2006, 05:11:46 PM »
nothing was as terrible as the serfdom in russia as far as europeans are concerned, black slavery probably pales into comparison with the slavery in russia or for that matter under mao tse tung, 60 million people were murdered in china during this regime and as for russia it ran into several million. White people had no rights therefore they were slaves, it's quite simple but you can not seem to get your tiny mind round that. Also I have no tendencies for evil whereas you are a sick twisted scumbag for even suggesting the extermination of a race and are hellbound.
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Re: Islamic Law continues to spread in Britain
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2006, 07:12:00 PM »

British Muslims can just ignore the unofficial Sharia court's decisions. The Sharia law cannot be enforced and has no legal authority under British law.  However,  there should be a monitor/investigation on whether the use of Sharia law in British Muslim communities is undermining the law of Britain.
 

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Re: Islamic Law continues to spread in Britain
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2006, 08:05:11 AM »

I agree with that sentiment, no laws should attempt to undermine the common law of a soverign nation otherwise we will have complete bedlam.
 

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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2006, 08:26:00 AM »

British Muslims can just ignore the unofficial Sharia court's decisions. The Sharia law cannot be enforced and has no legal authority under British law.  However,  there should be a monitor/investigation on whether the use of Sharia law in British Muslim communities is undermining the law of Britain.


Real talk.

In effect, what these Sharia courts are doing is what minority communities have been asked to do for many years in Britain, i.e. community elders keeping the community in check.

Although I'm a little concerned about this, it's not much more advanced than a 'neighbourhood watch' scheme.