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an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« on: December 04, 2006, 02:09:18 PM »
as much as i opposed the war
as much as a i detest the presence of american troops in iraq


fuck, right now theyre the only ones preventing hell from breaking loose in iraq

the question is...will the americans actually solve the problems there, or just remain around tryin to prevent things from gettin out of hand
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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2006, 02:25:10 PM »
The US has fucked up so bad that pulling the troops will just make this painfully obvious, so as long as Bush is in power (777 days) there will never be a pull of troops from Iraq. If all the troops were to come home tomorrow I wouldn't have a problem with it.
 

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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2006, 02:25:14 PM »
is it really up to Americans to solve their problems
 

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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2006, 02:34:27 PM »
is it really up to Americans to solve their problems

No, which is why they had no reason to go there in the first place.
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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2006, 02:47:05 PM »
no we had to liberate them...and some of their oil
 

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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2006, 06:01:19 PM »
just bring the troops home. were gonna have to do it sooner or later, so might as well just let them duke it out with each other if its gotta happen. anyone who says the american troops are gonna solve the problem over there is neither being realistic or conscious of the state of relations in the middle east.
 

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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2006, 06:05:33 PM »
america cant leave thats the thing

shouldve listen to house negro Powell

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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2006, 06:53:55 PM »
Arabs are so savage and violent. Here they have the chance to build the first peaceful, modern democratic state in the Middle East. But they would rather go around gunning down anyone who is of a different religious sect instead.

And they wonder why their countries are so fucking primitive.
 

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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2006, 07:21:49 PM »

The civil war was instigated by the good ol coalition because that is the perfect means of divide and rule they then pose as the saviours, as the people who need to stay to keep the sides apart. Meanwhile they keep exactly the same status quo in play as was witnessed under saddam hussein and plan to "partition" Iraq but it's all for the good of the people nothing to do with weakening the state. Lol these people have some nerve I will give them that very good at deceiving. The worse the situation becomes the better it is for the pentagon because it has made no secret of the fact that it wants to stimulate real terror http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/P2OG.pdf that is from the asian times in which the writer discusses P2OG a recently declassified document which discusses the need to stimulate real terror. 
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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2006, 07:27:32 PM »
Only if CWalker's dad would've pulled out in time...
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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2006, 08:16:43 PM »
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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2006, 09:18:10 PM »
phased withdrawl.


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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2006, 10:01:23 PM »
as much as i opposed the war
as much as a i detest the presence of american troops in iraq


fuck, right now theyre the only ones preventing hell from breaking loose in iraq

the question is...will the americans actually solve the problems there, or just remain around tryin to prevent things from gettin out of hand

they have to stay there till the problems r solved or it will show the rest of the world and the american people that we went there to gather oil, since NO WMD were found
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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2006, 10:03:06 PM »
Only if CWalker's dad would've pulled out in time...

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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2006, 01:29:11 AM »
Props to Virtuoso, he's the only one that got any of this right.

The so-called civil war thing is just a trick to justify America's occupation of the region, so they can take up the convenient role of peacemakes and blame casaulties on sectarian violence. This was planned way in advance, please believe it!

Best believe it that the US is behind the civil war in Iraq, and a great number of those bombs that went off that began the so-called civil war were covert operations planned by the US long before the invasion even took place.

The true architects of this war decided years in advance what the debate would be in Iraq. They wanted the debate to be over two things...

1. Troop levels- Whether or not Bush put enough troops in Iraq
2. Civil War- Why Bush isn't labelling it a civil war in Iraq

...the trick is, that either way you are being diverted from the truth. Because honestly, it doesn't matter at all if Bush labels it a civil war, because the bottom line is that another Arab state is being weekened, and Isreal and America are strengthening their foothold in the region.

Hypothetically if America left the region, all the Uncle Tom style Iraqi's who benefited off the invasion would come under attack, and eventually Allah would join the hearts of the Iraqi people under the banner of Islam.
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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2006, 01:58:17 AM »
INFINITE, everything you wrote, I know. and i been knowing.

are the americans responsible for this mess? of course
have they turned a blind eye to this mess? of course
has it been a policy of theirs to divide n conquer? of course
is zarqawi a stooge? of course

BUT WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO CHOOSE "IDEAL " CIRCUMSTANCES. WE ARE IN A POSITION OF CHOOSING THE LESSER OF 2 EVILS, AND THE AMERICAN PRESENCE NOW IS THE LESSER OF 2 EVILS.

THE AVERAGE IRAQI HATES/FEARS SECRETERIAN MILITIAS MORE THAN THE AMERICANS.

Iraqi state tv reminds viewers to NOT FOLLOW IRAQI POLICE/ARMY ORDERS UNLESS THEY ARE ACCOMPANIED BY AMERICANS.

SUNNIS ASK AMERICANS TO PROTECT THEIR MOSQUES WHILE THEY PRAY.

IF THE AMERICANS LEFT IRAQ, SUNNIS WOULD BE CLEANSED FROM BAGHDAD, SHIAS WOULD ATTACK ANBAR PROVINCE, AND SUNNI TRIBESMEN FROM ALL OVER SAUDI,JORDAN,SYRIA ETC AS WELL AS SHIA IRANIAN REVOLUTOONARY GUARDS WOULD INVADE IRAQ.


infinite, do you remember the Iraq of 4 years ago? ITS DONE. IT DOESNT EXIST ANYMORE. IRAQ IS AN ARTIFICIAL CREATION THAT HAS BEEN IMPOSED ARBITRARILY FOR CENTURIES. BY OTTOMAN TURKS, SAFAVID PERSIANS, BRITISH COLONIZERS, SUNNI HASHEMITES, AND EVENTUALLY BAATHISTS, NOW AMERICANS.


"And if America left, you can bet that a great number of those Iraqi's who were benefiting off of America's occupation (all the Uncle Tom style Iraqi's) would be killed or their positions would be compromised until Iraqi's eventually unite under the only banner that can unite them which is the banner of Islam.  "

INFINITE, YOURE THINKING WITH AN IDEALISTIC RELIGIOUS PERSPECTIVE. THAT PERSPECTIVE DOES NOT WORK. THAT PERSPECTIVE IS FOOLISH AND INCREDIBLY NAIVE. THIS IS COLD, BLOOD THIRSTY POLITICS. WHAT U ARE ADVOCATING WILL NEVER HAPPEN. THE SECOND THE AMERICANS LEAVE, WHAT U SEE NOW IN IRAQ IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT YOU WILL SEE.

BANNER OF ISLAM? LOL. THE SHIAS (BADRS AND MAHDI) FIGHT AMONGST THEM SELVES. THE SUNNIS (TRIBES AND AL QAEDA) FIGHT AMONGST THEMSELVES. THERE IS NO BANNER OF ISLAM IN IRAQ.


you guys played GTA San Andreas? imagine that game in real life, on fuckin steroids. Welcome to Iraq.


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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2006, 02:25:52 AM »
Tech, I'm dissapointed in you man.  Have you not learned from history what happens when Muslims call on the West (kuffar) to solve their problems?

Look, that's great if Iraq was always under an Islamic dynasty in the past.  That's great if they used to be under the Ommeyed's or Abbasids or later the Safavids and then finally the Ottoman Empire.  What's your point?  The big problem I see was when the Ottoman fell and they fell under British colonialism.  And since then it's been a bitter struggle to relieve themselves of servitude towards the West. 

I'm not being naive or idealistic.  As Muslims, do we depend on Allah for help or George Bush? 

Look, if you want practical examples, Iran is a region next to Iraq that was once controlled by America and freed itself of foriegn intervention.  Somalia is also a country that has recently began freeing itself of foriegn control.  There are many examples.  As far as the Sunni, Shiite thing, Muqtadr Al-Sadr is wise enough to get together with another prominent Sunni scholar and they could work something out.  Look, there's been struggles between rival Islamic factions since the days of Aisha and Ali (raa), on into your country Afganistan in the early 90's after the Soviets left.  But they didn't sell themselves off and beg for Jews and Christians to come in and handle their affairs.  They worked it out, and some governments were better than others. 

But you can't just give up and sell your soul to George Bush. 

Look Tech.. now you officially can't complain about anything else that happens in Iraq from now on, because it was you that pleaded for Master Bush to stay there and save the poor Muslims.
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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2006, 07:48:17 AM »
I agree with Tech. I've been battling this for many months on what to do next. I think I posted it up a couple of time, but no responce. Anyways, we fucked over Iraq, and it's our job to fix it. We are in a position that if we pull out, Iraq will for to shit, and possible hold a hostle government towards us that will seek out revenge. Saddam use to have these people killed, as they all hated each other. Basically getting rid of Saddam uncovered greater dangers than we ever knew existed. We uncovered a bigger threat than Saddam ever was. We need to have a base stationed there, and occupy Iraq the same way we did Japan, until they are a friendly state. We should have never went, but now, we can't leave. This is what happens when people are irresponsible with their power of waging war.
 

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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2006, 10:08:40 AM »
The US has fucked up so bad that pulling the troops will just make this painfully obvious, so as long as Bush is in power (777 days) there will never be a pull of troops from Iraq. If all the troops were to come home tomorrow I wouldn't have a problem with it.

nah man, bush is considering pulling alot of troops out.

their theory sounds good, something along the lines of letting the iraqi's start assuming responsibility for their own country... only problem is it's hard to do given the current situation... where would they start?
 

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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2006, 10:14:35 AM »
and i've been saying this for a while... i didnt agree with the war, but it's not possible for the U.S to just pull out... they nutted in the hypothetical pussy, now they need to pay child support... if you catch my drift.
 

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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2006, 12:59:27 PM »
The US has fucked up so bad that pulling the troops will just make this painfully obvious, so as long as Bush is in power (777 days) there will never be a pull of troops from Iraq. If all the troops were to come home tomorrow I wouldn't have a problem with it.

nah man, bush is considering pulling alot of troops out.

their theory sounds good, something along the lines of letting the iraqi's start assuming responsibility for their own country... only problem is it's hard to do given the current situation... where would they start?
If Bush pulls the troops then he will be blamed for all the problems, if he doesn't pull the troops he will blamed for killing American soliders. The only solution (in his eyes) is to stay and help build. The problem is he doesn't have any legit plan for helping Iraq, but he tries to convey the message that he is. Infinite is right in what he is saying about America's power over Iraq. If Bush has a real plan for helping Iraqis rebuild the country (Iraq has to actualy want/support a plan) then it would be cool for America to stay for a while. But GWB has no realistic plan, and if he pulls out troops then he will be admitting fault (even though we all no he is to blame for everything).
Personaly, I'd like to see the troops come back. Americans don't want them there, Iraqis don't want them there, so what are they still doing there?


Hypothetically if America left the region, all the Uncle Tom style Iraqi's who benefited off the invasion would come under attack, and eventually Allah would join the hearts of the Iraqi people under the banner of Islam.
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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2006, 01:19:18 PM »
I agree with Tech. I've been battling this for many months on what to do next. I think I posted it up a couple of time, but no responce. Anyways, we fucked over Iraq, and it's our job to fix it. We are in a position that if we pull out, Iraq will for to shit, and possible hold a hostle government towards us that will seek out revenge. Saddam use to have these people killed, as they all hated each other. Basically getting rid of Saddam uncovered greater dangers than we ever knew existed. We uncovered a bigger threat than Saddam ever was. We need to have a base stationed there, and occupy Iraq the same way we did Japan, until they are a friendly state. We should have never went, but now, we can't leave. This is what happens when people are irresponsible with their power of waging war.

What is the bigger threat?  The reason Iraq is in chaos right now is because that was America's plan from the beggining, after America leaves things will improve.
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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2006, 04:36:23 PM »

The civil war was instigated by the good ol coalition because that is the perfect means of divide and rule they then pose as the saviours, as the people who need to stay to keep the sides apart. Meanwhile they keep exactly the same status quo in play as was witnessed under saddam hussein and plan to "partition" Iraq but it's all for the good of the people nothing to do with weakening the state. Lol these people have some nerve I will give them that very good at deceiving. The worse the situation becomes the better it is for the pentagon because it has made no secret of the fact that it wants to stimulate real terror http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/P2OG.pdf that is from the asian times in which the writer discusses P2OG a recently declassified document which discusses the need to stimulate real terror. 

You're an idiot. The U.S. has nothing to gain and everything to lose from the chaos in Iraq. We are losing soliders and billions of dollars everyday. A lot of politicians have already lost their jobs because voters are pissed off. So why would they want all the violence...to divide and conquer??? We already conquered, now we need to get the hell out because Arabs are obviously too savage to live in a peaceful democracy.

Shiites and Sunnis were slaughtering each other long before the US was in the Middle East, and they will be slaughteering each other long after we are gone. They are animals.
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Re: an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2006, 06:15:33 PM »
Shiites and Shias were slaughtering each other long before the US was in the Middle East, and they will be slaughteering each other long after we are gone. They are animals.

CWalker... I know you're not worth it, but I couldn't resist showing you another reason why you're a fucking retard who has no clue about anything. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about... you need to catch up with everyone else and realize that.

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