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Re: Young Jeezy gets in Confrontation with Philly DJ about "Hip Hop is Dead"
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2006, 11:52:53 PM »
If Hip Hop is dead, and that is the culture of the industry, then the industry is dead. Again, you just can't seem to understand it: anyone at the top would have taken that as a shot at them. Nobody is guilty. Nobody is anything except justified. If Nas didn't want to start a contraversy he wouldve released a statement from jump. But he didn't. He want people to talk. Contraversy sells. Much like Jigga fell for Jim Jones' bait, the South jumped at Nas'. Was he aiming it at the South? None of us know because we are not Nas. Does his saying its not aimed at South prove anything? No. This is the entertainment industry, people will try their best to be as diplomatic as possible.
 

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« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2006, 04:54:48 PM »
If Hip Hop is dead, and that is the culture of the industry, then the industry is dead. Again, you just can't seem to understand it: anyone at the top would have taken that as a shot at them. Nobody is guilty. Nobody is anything except justified. If Nas didn't want to start a contraversy he wouldve released a statement from jump. But he didn't. He want people to talk. Contraversy sells. Much like Jigga fell for Jim Jones' bait, the South jumped at Nas'. Was he aiming it at the South? None of us know because we are not Nas. Does his saying its not aimed at South prove anything? No. This is the entertainment industry, people will try their best to be as diplomatic as possible.

Make up your mind.  You say he named it that to stir up the controversy, then say "in the entertainment industry, people will try their best to be as diplomatic as possible", lol.  And no, the industry isn't dead, and no, thats not what Nas said.  Anyone at the top would have gotten offended?  I don't here Kanye crying about the statement. 

Everybody was speculating about his album title.  First it was gonna be called "The Nigga" - some would argue that that is probably a MUCH more controversial album title.  Should he have immediately went out there and released a statement saying "Now if you're black please don't get offended by this".  Fuck no!  Were there people out there that probably got really butthurt when they heard his album was called that?  Absolutely.  But that's on them, not on Nas.  It's not his responsibilty to predict the 1000 different ways his title is going to be interpreted. 

The onus is on the listener to hear his explaination, which he did in the very first interview when he announced his new album title.  Your fronting like Nas was asked what it meant and he refused to say it, lol.

So just leave this thread to die - you have nothing.
 

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Re: Young Jeezy gets in Confrontation with Philly DJ about "Hip Hop is Dead"
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2006, 04:59:00 PM »
Made the title to stir contraversy, but as people do in the Industry, they save face by being diplomatic. Again, the title surfaced before the explanation, which left it open for others to make their mind up on what they think he means. This is everything, but you can't seem to grasp such a simple concept.
 

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« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2006, 08:36:25 PM »
Made the title to stir contraversy, but as people do in the Industry, they save face by being diplomatic. Again, the title surfaced before the explanation, which left it open for others to make their mind up on what they think he means. This is everything, but you can't seem to grasp such a simple concept.

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Everybody was speculating about his album title.  First it was gonna be called "The Nigga" - some would argue that that is probably a MUCH more controversial album title.  Should he have immediately went out there and released a statement saying "Now if you're black please don't get offended by this".  Fuck no!  Were there people out there that probably got really butthurt when they heard his album was called that?  Absolutely.  But that's on them, not on Nas.  It's not his responsibilty to predict the 1000 different ways his title is going to be interpreted. 

The onus is on the listener to hear his explaination, which he did in the very first interview when he announced his new album title.  Your fronting like Nas was asked what it meant and he refused to say it, lol.

So just leave this thread to die - you have nothing.
 

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Re: Young Jeezy gets in Confrontation with Philly DJ about "Hip Hop is Dead"
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2006, 08:39:32 PM »
i have to give major props to jrome for his argument here. took the words ouit of my mouth

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« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2006, 11:53:34 PM »
Once again, you can't seem to grasp the simple concept of why people got at Nas. Oh well, explaining things to idiots isn't  really my thing.
 

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Re: Young Jeezy gets in Confrontation with Philly DJ about "Hip Hop is Dead"
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2006, 11:57:47 PM »
Once again, you can't seem to grasp the simple concept of why people got at Nas. Oh well, explaining things to idiots isn't  really my thing.

obviously it is your thing you faggot

get the fuck outta here with this I know everything shit, you're lame buddy
 

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Re: Young Jeezy gets in Confrontation with Philly DJ about "Hip Hop is Dead"
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2006, 12:40:51 AM »

obviously it is your thing you faggot

get the fuck outta here with this I know everything shit, you're lame buddy


You're always watching me. Who the fuck are you? Calling others faggots but you're watching another man's every moves.
 

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Re: Young Jeezy gets in Confrontation with Philly DJ about "Hip Hop is Dead"
« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2006, 01:04:43 AM »
Ladies, Ladies, calm down.

SGV, Hip-Hop is not dead, but it's on life support. The south, just like the west, is RAP MUSIC. Rap music is an element of Hip-Hop, but Hip-Hop is a way of life, it's what you do. DJing and MCing are living, graffiti and breakdancing are dying, the street movement is dying, as the street MCs are pushed to the underground, and Nas is basically saying his going to resurrect it. You are known for going against the grain, but dogg, face fact, Hip-Hop was bought. Sony and Universal, and on a smaller scale Time Warner, own Hip-Hop. They gutted it, and are selling what is marketable. The gets points on independent labels. That is the most important thing for Hip-Hop to come from it's coma. Having independent labels means that Hip-Hop will have what's needed to be it's self, free from the bull shit Sony and Universal put it through.

Who cares who took offense to Nas's title. The south as a region is too weak to battle. People got mad at Quik, no disses, they got mad at this cat, that cat, nothing. Nas currently is the king of battling. Even 50 Cent ain't respond to a weak jab thrown by Nas, and that's the type of stuff 50 lives off of. He Ether'd Jay-Z. Nas was not aiming at the South, he was aiming at the industry, in terms of the suits that bought Hip-Hop. I knew that by the title. Whoever gets mad and think it's a diss to the south though deserves that Ether. I doubt Nas will even respond, he wouldn't get into beef if he didn't mean to.
 

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« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2006, 01:16:58 AM »
Ladies, Ladies, calm down.

SGV, Hip-Hop is not dead, but it's on life support. The south, just like the west, is RAP MUSIC. Rap music is an element of Hip-Hop, but Hip-Hop is a way of life, it's what you do. DJing and MCing are living, graffiti and breakdancing are dying, the street movement is dying, as the street MCs are pushed to the underground, and Nas is basically saying his going to resurrect it. You are known for going against the grain, but dogg, face fact, Hip-Hop was bought. Sony and Universal, and on a smaller scale Time Warner, own Hip-Hop. They gutted it, and are selling what is marketable. The gets points on independent labels. That is the most important thing for Hip-Hop to come from it's coma. Having independent labels means that Hip-Hop will have what's needed to be it's self, free from the bull shit Sony and Universal put it through.

Who cares who took offense to Nas's title. The south as a region is too weak to battle. People got mad at Quik, no disses, they got mad at this cat, that cat, nothing. Nas currently is the king of battling. Even 50 Cent ain't respond to a weak jab thrown by Nas, and that's the type of stuff 50 lives off of. He Ether'd Jay-Z. Nas was not aiming at the South, he was aiming at the industry, in terms of the suits that bought Hip-Hop. I knew that by the title. Whoever gets mad and think it's a diss to the south though deserves that Ether. I doubt Nas will even respond, he wouldn't get into beef if he didn't mean to.

Gracias mija. But here's where you fucked up: B-Boying is still in effect. They still have B-Boy shows out here and I'm very sure they still have in New York and all over. Graffing took off mainstream wise with Marc Ecko's video game. For it to turn into a game, there had to be some sort of buzz for it. Graffing is not dead. You do realize that the South thrives off of Independent labels right?  You think Snap Music was something an Exec heard and thought was cool? Hell na. They seen the MOVEMENT that D4L created and the strong buzz they had in their hometown and picked it up. So, the South is doing their job. They're getting the deals cuz they deserve em. Don't believe me? Ask Paul Wall, Mike Jones, Slim Thug and Chamillionaire how long they grinded until they finally got their deals. Rick Ross was sitting on Slip n Slide for years but grinded hard enough to get Jigga's attention. Jeezy did it independently and he got a deal from Jigga AND Puffy. These cats are doing it Independently and THEN the labels are coming after them.

As for the South being too weak... No. They got mad at Quik, yes. But why give Quik that shine? They know that even the 3rd rate stars in the South get more exposure than Quik, so why promote him when he's small time compared to them? Just like 50 never responded to Yukmouth, it's senseless. You give that artist the exposure...they're winning. 50 had everyone throwing jabs at him, how could he go at: Game, Nas, Fat Joe, Jadakiss, Styles P, Sheek Louch, Jae Hood, etc. etc. etc.??? Get real. Everyone knows Nas clarified that he's not dissing the South, that has been established, so thanks for repeating it for the 1000th time. What's being discussed is that the interpretation was left open UNTIL Nas clarified. Thanks again mija.
 

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Re: Young Jeezy gets in Confrontation with Philly DJ about "Hip Hop is Dead"
« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2006, 01:55:56 AM »
So why argue, little bickering stuff.

I think I stated as well southern independent labels. As I said, that's the most important thing to giving us pure Hip-Hop.

As for battling, yes, the south is weak. Nas never meant to diss the south though. The title can no way, in any shape or form, be directed at the south when people were claiming Hip-Hop dead when Jay-Z was Big Pimpin', and Nas was Ochie Wally Wally, and we were trying to figure out who the Real Slim Shady was. The south was not on top then, the east was, and people said Hip-Hop was dead then. Unless someone has a guilty conscience, then they should have not taken that comment as a diss. Especially from someone who came out with Nastradamus when the Hip-Hop is dead talks started.
 

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« Reply #61 on: December 14, 2006, 02:28:57 AM »
What's hard to understand? 2006 has seen more than a few NY cats going at the South. So, when Mr. New York himself comes out with an album entitled "Hip Hop Is Dead" all eyes turned to the South. Why? Because they're on top and most of New York is mad (hence why they have this whole "On My New York" shit and the whole "bring it back to where it started" campaign). I'm sorry, but if you were in their shoes you'd understand. They've been targeted all year, call it paranoia, but they were justified in questioning Nas.

I'm sure if the West was on top and Nas put out this album, Dubcc would be in an up roar, but since it's the South everyone wants to brush it off.
 

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Re: Young Jeezy gets in Confrontation with Philly DJ about "Hip Hop is Dead"
« Reply #62 on: December 14, 2006, 07:30:56 AM »
but Mr. King of NY is not really a battle rapper, and is not someone that just starts beef. Some Southern rappers might be on the defensive, but at the same time, they should know Nas is talking about the industry. Pick up any Nas CD since Stillmatic, it's the same message. He takes way more shots at the industry than he does the south. The only artist taking shots at the south are washed up crack heads like DMX. Artist that actually have careers, like Jim Jones, like Nas, they ain't taking shots. So for a southern artist to think that is just being retarted, and if they get Ether'd, they deserve it.
 

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« Reply #63 on: December 14, 2006, 08:58:15 AM »
The biggest DJ in the East had shit to say about the South. Ghostface had shit to say. And like I stated, with Busta and all these cats promoting "bring it back to where it started," them thinking Nas was on that same bandwagon was not far off.

They sont get Ethered, don't hype up Nas that much. He could easily get Takeovered and next thing you know hell be signing to DTP.
 

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« Reply #64 on: December 14, 2006, 10:13:00 AM »
Now you are reaching. Comparing Nas to other artist, Ghostface, I love him, but ain't no one checking for him. Of course NY has that Hip-Hop pride, it's what started the first coastal war, but to thinik Nas, who has always targeted the industry, and worked with westcoast artist in the height of the coastal wars, would diss the south for no reason Is retarded. But then again, Young Jeezy is the the Game of the south. I respect his music, but his a street cat who's easily offended. Nas say that people were say Hip-Hop is dead for years, and for you to think his talking about the south, you too are in the same intellegence as Jeezy. Now if Nas does battle Jeezy, Jeezy is a street rapper, hungry, and ready to go, which might be why he is aiming at Nas.

The fact is this, Jeezy is defensive 'cause he wants to start shit. He ain't dissing Ghostface, DMX, Busta Rhymes, HIS DISSING NAS. He don't care about people dissing the south, he cares about him dissing whoever to give him the biggest push. Jigga is washed up, that was proven by his new CD, Dipset is too strong, plus they are cool with southern rappers, G-Unit is nothing, and the rest are washed up, so why not get at the top dog right now. It's not about the title even possibly dissing the south, it's about Jeezy trying to further his career. So come off Jeezy's nuts and admit the truth.
 

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Re: Young Jeezy gets in Confrontation with Philly DJ about "Hip Hop is Dead"
« Reply #65 on: December 14, 2006, 03:36:45 PM »
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Everyone knows Nas clarified that he's not dissing the South, that has been established

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Re: Young Jeezy gets in Confrontation with Philly DJ about "Hip Hop is Dead"
« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2006, 11:59:58 PM »
M.Dogg, you obviously have an affection for Nas, which is why you're riding for him like this, but ill break it down again.

I was NOT comparing Nas to Ghost. I was saying that since NY Legends like Ghost were getting at the South all this year. The South stood quiet for as long as they could. Seeing Nas name his album Hip Hop Is Dead was the last straw. The South had their best year and had a good majority of the East trying to shit on them (hence why Fat Joe says "why's everybody so mad at the South for?"). So, again, when Nas comes with this title the first thought is "he's  going at the South."

Ths has nothing to do with being intelligent, unles of course you're as slow as you are and can't find the logic in this. Jeezy is not The Game of the South. He's  only beefed with Gucci Mane. His getting at Nas, again, was just a culmination of frustration for Southern rappers who have had their best year this year and still got hated on by people. Get the Kufi off your head and Nas' dick out your ass.
 

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« Reply #67 on: December 15, 2006, 12:02:20 AM »
@Jake: I'm simply stating that the South had every reason to take offense to the title BEFORE it was explained. That is all.