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The war on drugs is bullshit
« on: December 07, 2006, 06:26:43 PM »


Another great show by Penn and Teller.

 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2006, 09:31:46 PM »

Question for you how do you view the war on drugs? I used to be totally brainwashed and completely embraced it i gotta be honest.
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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2006, 11:11:07 PM »
I'm inclined to believe it's a wasted effort.  I'd like to see it ended.

We should legalize drugs and put more effort into educating people.  Government should still regulate their production and usage.  Just like we regulate alcohol and cigarettes.

I think it reasonable to tax drug consumption too where they to be legalized.

 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2006, 11:14:20 PM »
I think it's crazy to lock someone up for what he does on his on soil to himself. That being said, it's crazy to lock someone up because he been sniffin in his house, without harming anyone but himself.
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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2006, 02:28:25 AM »
it doesnt take a bunch of fags debating government policy on train of thought with their copied and pasted blog info to know the war on drugs is bullshit
 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2006, 02:43:59 AM »

no one has copied or pasted anything on here, as you should know by now I have no qualms with posting articles on here and do not try and pretend otherwise.  Ohhhh i get it "fags" because it's more than a setence long i am sorry i will have to shorten it next time for your attention span will not last for a whole sentence sorry.
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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2006, 11:23:13 PM »

no one has copied or pasted anything on here, as you should know by now I have no qualms with posting articles on here and do not try and pretend otherwise.  Ohhhh i get it "fags" because it's more than a setence long i am sorry i will have to shorten it next time for your attention span will not last for a whole sentence sorry.

My attention span won't tolerate your unfocused rants, run-on sentences, and generally incoherent nonsense.  But I have no problem reading quality writing. 

 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2006, 12:26:54 AM »
I think it's crazy to lock someone up for what he does on his on soil to himself. That being said, it's crazy to lock someone up because he been sniffin in his house, without harming anyone but himself.
Im drunk so if dont make sense just ignore it, but does the same opinion hold true for all drugs.  Like crack of example.  If you think someone that is smoking crack only affects that person smoking the crack, you are wrong.  Crack has ruined families and neighborhoods.  You think when all these rappers are joking when they say crack heads steal everything in sight and sell it you are wrong.  crackheads will steal gas caps off of cars just to sell them for a couple of bucks.  The war on drugs is a joke, yes i agree.  But to leagalize everything aint the answer either.
 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2006, 12:47:55 AM »
Crack has ruined families and neighborhoods. But to leagalize everything aint the answer either.
Yup
 The best solution for now, would be to adopt a system like Canada's(i'm not that educated on it but i've seen a few things about how they handle it) and arrest the guys making the junkies; whether its the major manufacturer or high level dealers; pick the junkies up and just help them the fuck out; get some state/fed funded rehab centers and give them some knowledge and a hand up in life. That would help a lot of overcrowded prisons, then legalize weed cause it's the weakest shit out there, tax it, sell it to me and we'll get the national debt payed up like nothin. 8)
 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2006, 03:25:57 AM »

Firstly there was nothing incoherent about what I just wrote, secondly I typed it quickly so I am sure there were run on sentences and thirdly as my response was not even directed towards you then your last response was meaningless and pointless. ::)
 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2006, 03:33:09 AM »
I think it's crazy to lock someone up for what he does on his on soil to himself. That being said, it's crazy to lock someone up because he been sniffin in his house, without harming anyone but himself.

couldnt agree more
 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2006, 12:05:24 PM »

Firstly there was nothing incoherent about what I just wrote, secondly I typed it quickly so I am sure there were run on sentences and thirdly as my response was not even directed towards you then your last response was meaningless and pointless. ::)

You're writing is generally incoherent.  You rant in vague terms using lots of assumptions as if they were certainties.  And your style is pathetically poor. 

Or more simply... you suck at communication and its annoying.

Please stop reading conspiracy theory junk for a little while, and instead read:

http://www.bartleby.com/141/

 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2006, 12:20:23 PM »

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and that is underlined because you don't even understand the fundamentals of your own constitution! which renders your viewpoint on civil liberties null and void. So before using the assumption of labeling things "conspiracy theories" read!. What illustrated that mindset was my response to the september 11 video, I point out to you just 10 factual key points which don't add up with the official line, plus I noted that there are dozens of whistleblowers, including former CIA, government officials, MI5 officials, other foreign intelligence officers that have come forward to cast their own doubt on the official story. Thus as you can't deny that they have come forward and you can't ridicule them because they are respected figures, you instead have to resort to "conspiracy theorist" or better still picking up on the usage of run on sentences lol.

Anyways.....this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread so I will not say anymore on the matter

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2006, 02:09:07 AM »
Anyways.....this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread so I will not say anymore on the matter

No shit you jackass.  Quit the fucking rants.  I criticize you for writing incoherent nonsense and you respond with more incoherent nonsense.  And end by admitting you wrote off-topic nonsense.  Is this a joke?

Get your fucking head right. 
 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2006, 07:12:49 AM »
Your the one who went off topic in the first place by resorting to bs about "conspiracy theories" and then I am the jackass for responding lol hmmmm

anyways....in Britain they have started to move towards a relaxing of the rules in Britain drugs over here are categorised A-C. Category A signifies that these are the most lethal drugs and thus have the most severe of punishments for either being found in posession of them either for personal use or with intent to supply. Cannabis in 2004 was moved from a category B drug to a Category C, which means that those who supply will still feel a prison term but the individual user will simply face a warning and the drug confiscated.
 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2006, 12:38:15 PM »
Virtuoso - Ant does have a pont.  It's ok to take some liberties when typing on an internet message forum, but your posts are extremely difficult to read because there is no structure.  Reading your posts hurts my eyes.  And thats without any regard to the actual content.
 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2006, 12:49:30 PM »
I think it's crazy to lock someone up for what he does on his on soil to himself. That being said, it's crazy to lock someone up because he been sniffin in his house, without harming anyone but himself.
Im drunk so if dont make sense just ignore it, but does the same opinion hold true for all drugs.  Like crack of example.  If you think someone that is smoking crack only affects that person smoking the crack, you are wrong.  Crack has ruined families and neighborhoods.  You think when all these rappers are joking when they say crack heads steal everything in sight and sell it you are wrong.  crackheads will steal gas caps off of cars just to sell them for a couple of bucks.  The war on drugs is a joke, yes i agree.  But to leagalize everything aint the answer either.

I agree. Drugs never affect only one person.

And I believe sometimes, depending on situations, drug addicts are better gettin' locked up, for their own good. Even if nobody wants it that way.

The war on drugs is fuckin' just sad.
 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2006, 01:44:26 PM »

Yeah that happen sometimes when I write things down quickly and post without reading over it first. My first response on this thread was very difficult to read it hurt my eyes also now I have re-read it!
 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2006, 01:57:28 PM »
Ok here is the first presented in a more understandable format lol


I agree with that, I used to think of drug users even cannabis users as criminals because that is the way they were portrayed on television.  Now I have finally come round to the realisation of why the hell would you punish someone with an addiction to a drug? if they are only causing harm to themselves, well so be it. The help should be there, to rehabilate them as opposed to being needlessly spent on persecuting them. Plus when it comes to drugs such as cannabis, I did not realise that there are other uses for the plant besides just smoking it, namely it's a good alternative for cotton and a good source of fuel. Of course the media never spoke about these aspects so I along with most other people was kept completely in the dark.

In terms of the harder drugs, it's a difficult one I think there has to be enforcement of the supply, but the users should not be prosecuted. There are those who argue for a complete legalisation of drugs and have the drugs regulated, however that is an unrealistic goal, with many of these drugs being potentially fatal to a first time user.
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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2006, 02:38:22 PM »
Ok here is the first presented in a more understandable format lol


I agree with that, I used to think of drug users even cannabis users as criminals because that is the way they were portrayed on television.  Now I have finally come round to the realisation of why the hell would you punish someone with an addiction to a drug? if they are only causing harm to themselves, well so be it. The help should be there, to rehabilate them as opposed to being needlessly spent on persecuting them. Plus when it comes to drugs such as cannabis, I did not realise that there are other uses for the plant besides just smoking it, namely it's a good alternative for cotton and a good source of fuel. Of course the media never spoke about these aspects so I along with most other people was kept completely in the dark.

In terms of the harder drugs, it's a difficult one I think there has to be enforcement of the supply, but the users should not be prosecuted. There are those who argue for a complete legalisation of drugs and have the drugs regulated, however that is an unrealistic goal, with many of these drugs being potentially fatal to a first time user.

I'll help you a little more:

Version 3

I agree with that.  I used to think drug users were criminals because they were portrayed that way on TV.  But now I think we should help drug users instead of punishing them. If they aren't hurting others, they should be free to do as they please.  Also, there are many uses for cannabis that aren't recreational.  It's a good alternative for cotton and a source of fuel. Unfortunately, the media never mentions these qualities.

Dealing with harder drugs is a more difficult issue.  I think we should regulate the supply, but the users should not be prosecuted.  Some people think we should legalize all drugs, but that is an unrealistic goal.  A lot of drugs are potentially fatal for a first time user so that is not a valid option.

 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2006, 04:48:37 PM »

Ok this really shows your a jackass: firstly there was nothing grammatically incorrect in what I said, it was articulated in an understandable fashion and thirdly in the English (UK) Language, you can never start a new sentence with the word But! So let me help you out, before contesting what I say, pouring scorn on it's validity, read up on it, that way you do not look like an ass, when I highlight the fact that you don't understand the very basics of your own constitution. Of course, I am sure it is not a big deal to you but then again why would it, you display all of the signs of cognitive dissonance.
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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2006, 06:56:05 PM »
Ok this really shows your a jackass: firstly there was nothing grammatically incorrect in what I said, it was articulated in an understandable fashion and thirdly in the English (UK) Language, you can never start a new sentence with the word But! So let me help you out, before contesting what I say, pouring scorn on it's validity, read up on it, that way you do not look like an ass, when I highlight the fact that you don't understand the very basics of your own constitution. Of course, I am sure it is not a big deal to you but then again why would it, you display all of the signs of cognitive dissonance.

I corrected your style and made it more readable.  Fewer words are better than more. Compare:

Your version:
200 words 883 letters

My version:
131 words 598 letters

But I didn't do it to be mean.  I just wanted to show you that your writing can be improved.  Of course I realize I broke some rules, but rules do not matter as much when you're writing casually.  It's much more important to give your reader something they can easily read. 

Again, I suggest:

http://www.bartleby.com/141/

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2006, 07:04:29 PM »
Half the legislators that are for the war on drugs are doping up themselves so of course its bullshit.

Penn & Teller are the shit.
 

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Re: The war on drugs is bullshit
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2006, 11:04:42 AM »
A good Book on How crack ruined so many lives is Dark Alliance. its by the Journalist that wrote the Newspaper articles. Shows the entire connection with the Iran Contra thing. Has interview with Freeway Ricky Ross as well. Deep Book. Leads one to think that drugs will never be legalized because the US gov't likes to use drug money to fund so many covert ala "Hidden" things that they do.