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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2007, 04:06:23 PM »
Nationalism = Bullshit
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2007, 01:25:16 AM »
Preach on brother ^
We are all human beings isn't that a good enough reason for peace?
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2007, 09:24:21 AM »
As is the idea of a loving world power taking care of you "cough" U.N, yeah what a great solution that body is  ::) Of course the point of view on this usually ranges from the naive oh U.N is a great thing to oh the U.N just need some reforms. I find it perpelxing that many still have not grasped that these reforms are designed in such a way that they make things worse, they centralise power ever more.
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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #53 on: January 09, 2007, 11:06:13 AM »
Centralization of power is bad for democracy it's a known fact. You got that right man. However, there are many different ways to centralize power and the so called "pulling out the National Card" is one of these ways. Seriously man, how many times have we heared the phrase "It is within our national interest" coming out of traps of state leaders before ordering atrocities to take place. How was that pro-democracy?- We all know those r attempts to reach consensus with regard to cold hearted murder...
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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #54 on: January 09, 2007, 11:12:18 AM »
Politicians will always do whatever what it takes to brainwash the people listening into being able to justify their actions. I agree that when people hear cathphrases like "national interest" there becomes a degree of acceptance towards whatever the intention or aim. Mainly because people evoke national interest with being of benefit to all citizens within that nation, your example though is an example of spin and heavy spin is used in many instances. However using the illusion of nationalism as the justification, is just one vehicle used to steer a message.
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2007, 11:24:50 AM »
Exactly this synonymity of the word "National" and "Being of benefit to ALL citizens within a nation" frightens me the most. The idea of some sort of unanimity of all those who are part of a Nation is what's really chilling. Especially in terms of democracy that is, by definition, supposed to take into acount the diversity of opinions and takes on any given issue.
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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2007, 12:59:49 PM »
bottom line, this bitch ayaan hirsi ali needs to get her wig split.
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2007, 01:26:45 PM »
bottom line, this bitch ayaan hirsi ali needs to get her wig split.

whys that?
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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #58 on: January 09, 2007, 02:20:53 PM »

If it was a level playing field whereby it wasn't deemed acceptable to be going after one group of people more than another I would not have a problem with it. I do not have a problem with any of the film makers, this is regardless as to whether I agree with their methods or not. I do not know where their underlying motivation lay when they were making this film i.e. whether it was just to make a thought provoking film which happened to be based on a muslim women or where they deliberately sought to go after the muslim faith.  The reason I do not have a problem with them is people should be free to express themselves whether that is through literature film or however else they choose to convey a message an idea, an interpretation or anything in between. This film might be offensive to some it might be inaccurate it might be poorly produced and presented but it is not trying to incite hatred if you actually look at the content. My problem lies in a general sense, it is exasperating to see the hypocritical nature of various groups when it does come to films like this. That being said to say that this woman or anyone else connected with the making of this film should be killed is ridiculous. Also it's falling right into a mouse trap, you are being offered the bait and you are falling for it. By expressing such an aggressive extreme opinion it only further alienates most of society from muslims because they want to distance themselves from that opinion.

Make no mistake about it the human pieces of filth which comprise the ADL and other groups absolutely love it when muslims fly off at the deep end. Even if that really is your genuine feelings towards this woman you have got to learn to shutup because there is a time and a place. It would be a lot wise to choose your battles more carefully, that is my opinion anyway.
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #59 on: January 09, 2007, 03:15:06 PM »
bottom line, this bitch ayaan hirsi ali needs to get her wig split.

She has gone to America now. So take your chance and kill a bitch.
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #60 on: January 09, 2007, 03:49:36 PM »
bottom line, this bitch ayaan hirsi ali needs to get her wig split.

If you want to think like that, go back to the Middle East. People in America don't think like that. You are a savage.
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #61 on: January 09, 2007, 04:01:26 PM »
bottom line, this bitch ayaan hirsi ali needs to get her wig split.

If you want to think like that, go back to the America. People in Poland don't think like that. Im  a savage.
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2007, 04:07:24 PM »
Killing people because they criticize Islam is what they do in the Middle East. That is because they can't defend their violent, barbaric religion with reason and logic. It is also how they oppress non Muslims in their countries.

 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2007, 04:09:28 PM »
Killing people because they criticize Islam is what they do in the Middle East. That is because they can't defend their violent, barbaric religion with reason and logic. It is also how they oppress non Muslims in their countries.



And what about killing people for oil? Is that right?
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #64 on: January 09, 2007, 04:29:21 PM »
Killing people because they criticize Islam is what they do in the Middle East. That is because they can't defend their violent, barbaric religion with reason and logic. It is also how they oppress non Muslims in their countries.



And what about killing people for oil? Is that right?
real american is fuckin pathetic.  real american, stop smoking crack, your a fucking idiot, if you think ur sucha real american, go fight in iraq, or afghanistan, or any other country that has oil, and watch my cousins blow your bitch ass up like you never even existed in the first place.  you fucking bitch.
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #65 on: January 09, 2007, 04:47:57 PM »
real american is fuckin pathetic.  real american, stop smoking crack, your a fucking idiot, if you think ur sucha real american, go fight in iraq, or afghanistan, or any other country that has oil, and watch my cousins blow your bitch ass up like you never even existed in the first place.  you fucking bitch.

At least you admit you have no allegiance to America. Maybe you should go back to where you came from and live with your cousnins.
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #66 on: January 09, 2007, 05:35:40 PM »
i have allegiance to america, but i dont have allegiance to conservate cock loving, meth smoking, nazi's like yourself.  real american, do us all a favor and shoot urself.  8)
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #67 on: January 10, 2007, 12:40:57 AM »
i have allegiance to america, but i dont have allegiance to conservate cock loving, meth smoking, nazi's like yourself.  real american, do us all a favor and shoot urself.  8)

Dont mind him hes from Poland.
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2007, 03:13:57 PM »
i have allegiance to america, but i dont have allegiance to conservate cock loving, meth smoking, nazi's like yourself.  real american, do us all a favor and shoot urself.  8)

Dont mind him hes from Poland.
so that mean's his mom is a prostitute, right?
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2007, 10:45:05 AM »
i have allegiance to america, but i dont have allegiance to conservate cock loving, meth smoking, nazi's like yourself.  real american, do us all a favor and shoot urself.  8)

Dont mind him hes from Poland.
so that mean's his mom is a prostitute, right?

yeah thats right. His mom was a prostitute, then she was raped and cwalker was born, but she didnt had any money so she sold him to some people who live in America.
 

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Re: A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2007, 06:22:12 PM »
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