Andrew Bynum or Dwight Howard?...Who Will End Up The Better Big?

[jeromechickenbone]

Shhhhh.  He's trying to skew the numbers as much as possible, don't ruin it. 

Don't act like an idiot with me. I don't know you, you don't know me, so if you wanna argue with me do it writing something interesting and not this type of bullshit. Do you really think it's the same thing to be drafted at 17 or 19? Do you really think it's the same to get drafted by the Lakers or the shitty Magic? Do you think it's the same to be the most important guy in the playbook of your team being a rookie or being the 12nd-13rd man in the rotation? Do you think it's the same to be the 12-13rd man in a franchise who almost defeated Phoenix in the Play Off or to be "the guy" in a team with a .439 (36-46) no-playoff record? C'mon now. Think about it. Howard has had the best scenario possible (a shitty team build around him) to perform well. Bynum, with Zen as a coach, was considered a good C for the D-fenders. It's harder, being 2 years smaller and being in Bynum's situation. No matter that, Bynum is still emerging as a great prospect, and when he's averaging 30-35 mins, he's doing great things on the court. If you consider he's now 19, so he's like Howard in his rookie year, i think he's performing extremely well. In two years he'll be like Howard is now. A monster. Plus, like i said, i've never seen a CENTER improving so much so quickly in my life. Do you remember another CENTER having a better improvement? This guy is still LEARNING the game. He's still working on his body to get an NBA body. He's still learing a couple of moves from Kareem. But Kareem (not me or you) loves the dude, and he's ready to bet his reputation on him. If i'm the GM, i refuse an Howard-Bynum trade. I'm happy with the 19 years old dude. He's a project. We spent time, an high draft pick and the reputation on this project, so i wanna see the guy in 2-3 years, when he'll be 21-22. And fuck Howard. He's a great promising player, but i'm a Laker fan, and i'm happy with Bynum really.

I don't know anybody on this board bruh.  If you get upset when people call bullshit on your posts then don't post.   All I did was back up what R-Tistic said that your stats were based on per 48 mins played which vastly skews the numbers.  Your rant on who's better or whatever is pointless because all I did was endorse someone elses exposure of your propaganda. 

It's like that other thread where everybody was slobbin Kobe's jersey sales saying he was tops in the league, when in reality he wasn't tops in the nation, just at the NBA store in NY and online.  I'm just setting the facts straight.  Don't hate the facts homie.

[herpes]

Jrome is a tool

we cool now, but with that whole hardcore cam'ron is god phase you went thru you're in no position to call anyone a tool.

[Antonio_]

I don't know anybody on this board bruh.  If you get upset when people call bullshit on your posts then don't post.

I don't. I get upset when people doesn't try to explain their OWN opinion, and they use those childish posts like your. You can do better.

All I did was back up what R-Tistic said that your stats were based on per 48 mins played which vastly skews the numbers.  Your rant on who's better or whatever is pointless because all I did was endorse someone elses exposure of your propaganda.

It wasn't a propaganda. Man i already explained you why you can't simply compare stats of a player who's the best in his (shitty) team with another one who's a backup C in a Phil Jackson team. So i used the 48 mins per game just to say that Bynum has the potential too, to reach Howard's status in 2 years, when he'll be 21 too. That's the only stats i can use, along with the one who compares his first season with the second, and his big development. Reply to what i wrote. Do you agree or disagree? LOL. All you did was to call bullshit on my post and call it a propaganda, but you have nothing better to say to prove me i'm wrong.

It's like that other thread where everybody was slobbin Kobe's jersey sales saying he was tops in the league, when in reality he wasn't tops in the nation, just at the NBA store in NY and online.  I'm just setting the facts straight.  Don't hate the facts homie.

I couldn't care less about Kobe's jersey sales. Facts are you can't compare the stats the way you're doing.

[WC Iz Active]

Jrome is a tool

Based on what?

you seem to instigate alot of stuff with NIK

[jeromechickenbone]

I don't know anybody on this board bruh.  If you get upset when people call bullshit on your posts then don't post.

No, that's not the point. I like when people disagree with me. That's a forum. I wanna argue with people, not wanting them to simply quote me. But if you wanna argue with me, do it my way. No disrespect for the other people's opinion, and write your OWN opinion so i can read it and reply to you. That's it.

As I read what you had wrote about comparing the stats I was going to comment on how thats an invalid comparison, but R-Tistic beat me to it.  There's so much shit on here posted about how everything that's not Laker related is wack so I'm just trying to provide a balance. 

Propaganda?
I already explained you why you can't simply compare stats of a player who's the best in his (SHITTY) team with another one who's a backup C in a Phil Jackson team.
So i used the 48 mins per game just to say that Bynum has the potential too, to reach Howard's status in 2 years, when he'll be 21 too.
That's the only stat i can use, along with the one who compares his first season with the second, and his big development.

Oh I understand what you did.  You can manipulate statistics to say pretty much anything.  And to your credit, you did and it aided the arguement well.  I just wanted to make sure that everybody was aware of your flawed logic but R-Tistic beat me to it.   

I couldn't care less about Kobe's jersey sales. Facts are you can't compare the stats the way you're doing. And it's logical. Just think about it.

Yes, but my point isn't whether or not you care about his sales.  It's about all the bullshit that gets spouted off in this section as fact when it's either A) Opinion; or B) Incorrect.  So when I saw your stats comparison, I thought it fit that mold so I called you on it.

[jeromechickenbone]

Jrome is a tool

Based on what?

you seem to instigate alot of stuff with NIK

we cool now, but with that whole hardcore cam'ron is god phase you went thru you're in no position to call anyone a tool.

For real though.  And how many times you go at it with Grundy?  So just walk away.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Yes, but my point isn't whether or not you care about his sales.  It's about all the bullshit that gets spouted off in this section as fact when it's either A) Opinion; or B) Incorrect.  So when I saw your stats comparison, I thought it fit that mold so I called you on it.

What the hell are you talkin about?

http://www.hoopsology.com/article.php3?ArticleID=2468

[jeromechickenbone]

Yes, but my point isn't whether or not you care about his sales.  It's about all the bullshit that gets spouted off in this section as fact when it's either A) Opinion; or B) Incorrect.  So when I saw your stats comparison, I thought it fit that mold so I called you on it.

What the hell are you talkin about?

http://www.hoopsology.com/article.php3?ArticleID=2468

OH MY GOD. LMFAO@ this retard.  Every article CLEARLY states that he has the top selling jersey at the official store in NY and on NBAstore.com.  In nationwide sales, he's still anywhere from 3rd to 5th most popular.  Step up your comprehension game, lol.  This shit has been posted numerous times now and you still can't grasp it.  I highlighted for you so you wouldn't confuse yourself with all those words. LMFAO!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2727029ESPN.com news services


Kobe Bryant again has the most popular jersey at NBA stores.

Bryant changed from No. 8 to No. 24 this season, and the switch probably had a lot to do with his moving up from fourth to first in jersey sales at the NBA Store in New York and at the league's online market.

Bryant, who last topped the NBA's list during the 2002-03 season, passed the Miami Heat's Dwyane Wade in jersey sales in NBA stores, but Neil Schwartz, who tracks sporting good sales for SportsOneSource, said Bryant's shirt is still anywhere from third to fifth in popularity nationwide.

The NBA's rankings are based on jersey sales at the NBA Store on Fifth Avenue in New York and at NBAStore.com from the start of the 2006-07 season through Dec. 31.

Schwartz said Bryant's jersey sales were hurt more by his feud with Shaquille O'Neal and the breakup of the championship Lakers than the scandal surrounding rape accusations in Colorado.

"I don't see this as a renaissance of his popularity," Schwartz said. "I see this as a great marketing ploy."

Wade, who had been on top since May 2005, fell to No. 2, one spot above LeBron James. Allen Iverson, helped by his trade to Denver, jumped from seventh to fourth, and Nuggets teammate Carmelo Anthony rounded out the top five.

Bryant helped the Lakers remain No. 1 in the team merchandise category for the fifth consecutive season. The NBA champion Heat moved up one spot to second.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year! LMFAO@this paranoid hater thinking there's a Laker fan conspiracy distorting Kobe's true jersey sales .

[swangin and bangin]

LMFAO@this paranoid hater thinking there's a Laker fan conspiracy distorting Kobe's true jersey sales .

i bet kobe bought a couple thousand him self,

[jeromechickenbone]

LOL. That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year!

HAHAHAHA damn dog you are straight flustered huh?  First you replied to that old thread with an attempt to prove me wrong about the jersey sales.  Then you obviously read this and modified that comment, lol.  Then you really knew you had nothing so you deleted your comment all together.  LMAO!  I saw the whole thing, it was HILARIOUS.  Then you clicked your diss button, and now your scrambling to save face.

And LMFAO at "an ESPN guesstimate".  First, the quote is from a guy who works for SportsOneSource which provides facts and info for sporting goods industry information.  He's in no way affiliated with ESPN.  Secondly, that story was picked up from the AP Wire, it wasn't even written by ESPN.  They simply reported it.

And you're absolutely right - It's the leading seller at the Official NBA Store in NY and at nbastore.com.  (I've established this in every discussion, lol).  BUT IT'S NOT THE TOP SELLING JERSEY IN THE NATION.

*drops mic and walks off stage*

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

LOL. That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year!

HAHAHAHA damn dog you are straight flustered huh?  First you replied to that old thread with an attempt to prove me wrong about the jersey sales.  Then you obviously read this and modified that comment, lol.  Then you really knew you had nothing so you deleted your comment all together.  LMAO!  I saw the whole thing, it was HILARIOUS.  Then you clicked your diss button, and now your scrambling to save face.

And LMFAO at "an ESPN guesstimate".  First, the quote is from a guy who works for SportsOneSource which provides facts and info for sporting goods industry information.  He's in no way affiliated with ESPN.  Secondly, that story was picked up from the AP Wire, it wasn't even written by ESPN.  They simply reported it.

And you're absolutely right - It's the leading seller at the Official NBA Store in NY and at nbastore.com.  (I've established this in every discussion, lol).  BUT IT'S NOT THE TOP SELLING JERSEY IN THE NATION.

*drops mic and walks off stage*

Not really, don't get too excited man. LOL... I just never saw that 3rd to 5th figure cuz I only skimmed through the 2nd article. Still doesn't mean shit, NBA STILL ranks its jersey sales based on the system originally posted. The reason I said "ESPN guesstimate" is because ESPN is known as a biased network, and it figures that they'd throw in some guesstimate to play down Kobe being ranked 1st by the NBA, especially considering the fact that Neil Schwartz is a nobody and might as well not have given a guesstimate if the best he can do is 3rd through 5th...Try a little harder...PeACe

[Antonio_]

I don't know anybody on this board bruh.  If you get upset when people call bullshit on your posts then don't post.

No, that's not the point. I like when people disagree with me. That's a forum. I wanna argue with people, not wanting them to simply quote me. But if you wanna argue with me, do it my way. No disrespect for the other people's opinion, and write your OWN opinion so i can read it and reply to you. That's it.

As I read what you had wrote about comparing the stats I was going to comment on how thats an invalid comparison, but R-Tistic beat me to it.  There's so much shit on here posted about how everything that's not Laker related is wack so I'm just trying to provide a balance. 

Propaganda?
I already explained you why you can't simply compare stats of a player who's the best in his (SHITTY) team with another one who's a backup C in a Phil Jackson team.
So i used the 48 mins per game just to say that Bynum has the potential too, to reach Howard's status in 2 years, when he'll be 21 too.
That's the only stat i can use, along with the one who compares his first season with the second, and his big development.

Oh I understand what you did.  You can manipulate statistics to say pretty much anything.  And to your credit, you did and it aided the arguement well.  I just wanted to make sure that everybody was aware of your flawed logic but R-Tistic beat me to it.   

I couldn't care less about Kobe's jersey sales. Facts are you can't compare the stats the way you're doing. And it's logical. Just think about it.

Yes, but my point isn't whether or not you care about his sales.  It's about all the bullshit that gets spouted off in this section as fact when it's either A) Opinion; or B) Incorrect.  So when I saw your stats comparison, I thought it fit that mold so I called you on it.

Naw. The fact i'm a Laker fan doesn't mean i don't appreciate other players outside the ones in purple & gold. But in this case i really appreciate Bynum so much i'm supporting him in this topic. A kid (litterally) working with Kareem trying to be "the new Kareem" is like a dream for an old school Laker fan like me. And watching this guy having a good impact on a Phil Jackson team being 19 is making me proud of him and the organization. Howard is a beast, but keep in mind he was drafted by a shitty team who had nobody better than a 19-years-old kid coming off high school when they drafted him. When you are the leader of a team from day-1, it's easier. You get confidence, you get your teammates giving you the ball, you have the coach adjusting playbooks for you, you have a GM trading players to fit your game style. It's different. I'll make you another example. Kobe Bryant and LeBron James. If you look at the stats, LeBron has had a better impact. But i disagree. I mean you can't simply compare them. Different situations, different scenario's. Kobe was a 17 years old in a world where rookies where 24 years old coming off college. And he was 17 in the Lakers, with fan favourite Eddie Jones playing SG. People didn't like 17 years old guys, just like they didn't like European players (and now we have an italian - and i'm proud of it being italian myself - being drafted with the #1 pick). Now the scenario is totally different. Now most of the rookies doesn't even go to college, or if they do 30-40% (maybe less) of them get a degree. Plus LeBron had Cleveland on his dick even before he started to play for the team. Totally different. I'm not saying LeBron ain't good... i'm saying he was put in a totally different scenario than Kobe, man. So you can't compare stats the "normal" way without considering those things. Bynum is like Kobe. A 17 years old, starting as a backup, in the best franchise of the NBA. I live it like a dream. Like another ride. This topic is about POTENTIAL. It's not "who's better now". It's "who will end up the better big?". It's no math. It's passion, and faith. I keep the faith in Bynum. Everything is working great and he CAN really develope into a superstar Center with all the tools to be dominant. Dwight? He'll probably be one of his rival. I don't hate on him. I wish him all the best. But i go with Bynum. In 2 years, when he'll be 21, he'll be a monster.

[Just Another Sunny day in California]

Yo Nik why do you start a thread and then ask for our opinion and then bitch to everyone about how they are haters or not a true laker fan, it's fuckin bullshit next time you ask for our opinions respect it.  That's why most people on this board hate your guts, not only do you suck kobe's dick consistently 24/7 but you have no respect for people disagreeing with you and stating their own opinion which may be something negative against some Laker player.  

[PLANT]

Bynum is more of a Chris Bosh type of player.

you're kidding right?