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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2007, 05:23:56 PM »
Well, Murda Muzik went platinum of the strength of quiet storm and IMO hell on earth (gold) and Infamous (gold) were better albums so basically Blood Money not breaking 300k on interscope with the G-Unit brand and that level of promotion and exposure is utterly pathethic. I bet Prodigy sells between 150 and 200 k on Koch witch will probably be the most he's ever made on an album. That Return of The Mac mixtape is contending for the best thing comming out right now so I wouldn't be surprised if sales are high, and the $ is more than G-Unit which might mean the Mobb leaving (one can only hope).

I'll take that bet :D

jim jones did about 300,000 on Koch.

you wanna compare the amount of promotion jim jones had to what prodigy has? also would you like to compare the impact of the single jim jones had compared 2 prodigy? he will do 150,000 MAX.
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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2007, 10:12:54 PM »
Well, Murda Muzik went platinum of the strength of quiet storm and IMO hell on earth (gold) and Infamous (gold) were better albums so basically Blood Money not breaking 300k on interscope with the G-Unit brand and that level of promotion and exposure is utterly pathethic. I bet Prodigy sells between 150 and 200 k on Koch witch will probably be the most he's ever made on an album. That Return of The Mac mixtape is contending for the best thing comming out right now so I wouldn't be surprised if sales are high, and the $ is more than G-Unit which might mean the Mobb leaving (one can only hope).

I'll take that bet :D

jim jones did about 300,000 on Koch.

you wanna compare the amount of promotion jim jones had to what prodigy has? also would you like to compare the impact of the single jim jones had compared 2 prodigy? he will do 150,000 MAX.


Well, Koch just sent Prodigy's single out a few days ago and the street date on the project is the end of March so right there you're looking at two months out for single momentum. Say what you will about Prodigy's popularity or [current] skill but just remember this is a 14 track major distribution release with Alchemist producing every single song. Not only that but everything we’ve heard from the album has been received positively by fans and non-fans thus far. I doubt it will be a huge album (especially since its being marketed as a mixtape like warm-up to Prodigy’s actually solo) but if the whole thing is as good as what we’re hearing I don’t see why it wouldn’t sell a fair amount.

As far as the whole Jim Jones single thing, eh it can goes both ways. “We fly High” was a really huge hit. It was all over radio everywhere and his album did 300k. You’d think with the popularity of that single he’d have done more so clearly there are other factors that contribute to sales.


So what should we wager?  :)
 

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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2007, 11:54:57 PM »
so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?

checkmate!
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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2007, 04:23:57 AM »
so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?

checkmate!

Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.

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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2007, 04:51:26 AM »
so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?

checkmate!

Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.

"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"
Game could've sold more if he released the right singles, Let's Ride was an awful choice, he should've dropped Wouldnt Get Far right after the One Blood joint, Look At Jeezy he dropped Go Getta and is almost at Game's numbers even though he dropped a month later and he still got that Timbo joint 3Am, Jeezy might sell close to 2 million
 

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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2007, 08:58:17 AM »
so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?

checkmate!

Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.

"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"
Game could've sold more if he released the right singles, Let's Ride was an awful choice, he should've dropped Wouldnt Get Far right after the One Blood joint, Look At Jeezy he dropped Go Getta and is almost at Game's numbers even though he dropped a month later and he still got that Timbo joint 3Am, Jeezy might sell close to 2 million


Game shouldve sold a lot more. I mean the promo behind him was crazy. You aslo gotta respect his hustle. He was on every magazine, radio, tv.... Even if you knew nothing about the album you were basically forced to get info about it. Not to mention that he had all they hype off getting kicked out from GUnit/Aftermath. If he stayed on GUnit/Aftermath he'd sell even less, probably doing Busta numbers.

But these days nobody is selling shit, plus Game had no hit singles other than Wouldnt Get Far.
 

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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2007, 10:05:22 AM »
"Have A Party", "Outta Control Remix" and Put em In They Place" were all pretty dope songs.  They should have sold more but nobody was buying into them being on G Unit Records. 
 

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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2007, 12:04:17 PM »
yeah Game should have released too much as a single and TImbo the king, where are you located?

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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2007, 06:19:27 AM »
i think their release on koch records in 2003 sold more than their g-unit release 8)
 

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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2007, 07:10:14 AM »
CUUURTIIS, CUUURTIIIS, HOW MUCH DID MOBB SELL CUURTIS??????????
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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2007, 01:24:45 PM »
so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?

checkmate!

Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.

"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"

Actually it is checkmate. Listen to "Soundscan" - he never dissed 50 for his sales. Game wasn't a G-Unit CEO, he was a G-Unit artist. He outsold every other G-Unit artist (not including 50) while he was with them, and he outsold them without them.

Oh, and didn't 50 say that Yayo would outsell "The Documentary"? LMAO
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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2007, 07:00:34 PM »
so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?

checkmate!

Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.

"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"

Actually it is checkmate. Listen to "Soundscan" - he never dissed 50 for his sales. Game wasn't a G-Unit CEO, he was a G-Unit artist. He outsold every other G-Unit artist (not including 50) while he was with them, and he outsold them without them.

Oh, and didn't 50 say that Yayo would outsell "The Documentary"? LMAO

Of course he didnt diss 50 for his sales, dissing 50 for that would be plain crazy. He compared himself to 50, saying how he'll retire if he wont do a million in the first week.

He did outsell all of GUnit artists but that had a lot to do with the controversy sournding him. Everybody was watining on how he'll do without Dre and 50. While the rest of Gunit artits were just GUnit artists point black. Nothing new or controversial about that. If Game stayed on Gunit he'd sell even less.

Even if you look at it from this perspective Banks went from 1.5 to 300 which is a 1.2 drop and Game went from 2.3 to 800 which is a 1.5 drop. Game also had a bigger fanbase from the first album so these numbers are completley logical.
 

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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2007, 08:33:12 PM »
so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?

checkmate!

Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.

"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"

Actually it is checkmate. Listen to "Soundscan" - he never dissed 50 for his sales. Game wasn't a G-Unit CEO, he was a G-Unit artist. He outsold every other G-Unit artist (not including 50) while he was with them, and he outsold them without them.

Oh, and didn't 50 say that Yayo would outsell "The Documentary"? LMAO

Of course he didnt diss 50 for his sales, dissing 50 for that would be plain crazy. He compared himself to 50, saying how he'll retire if he wont do a million in the first week.

He did outsell all of GUnit artists but that had a lot to do with the controversy sournding him. Everybody was watining on how he'll do without Dre and 50. While the rest of Gunit artits were just GUnit artists point black. Nothing new or controversial about that. If Game stayed on Gunit he'd sell even less.

Even if you look at it from this perspective Banks went from 1.5 to 300 which is a 1.2 drop and Game went from 2.3 to 800 which is a 1.5 drop. Game also had a bigger fanbase from the first album so these numbers are completley logical.

That makes no sense. Every G-Unit artist had 50 (the biggest artist in the game right now) on their first singles and still couldn't outsell Game with 2 solo singles that got little to no play? Let me guess...Junior Reed is more respected than 50? Lol

Fine, just to make you feel better - let's add the sales up because it is Game vs. G-Unit as a whole. So if you add up Yayo, Banks, and Mobb Deep they did outsell Game.
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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2007, 09:42:42 PM »
Word to everything EFrain has said in this thread.  He gets it.

Mobb Deep did this album to try to get 50's fanbase. Period.  It was Mobb Deep meets G-Unit.  Their timing was horrible.  If they were gonna do this, they should have tried it a couple years earlier.  They probably coulda exploited his fanbase for more sales.  The funny thing was, this move to G-Unit was strictly to get at that fanbase, but it didn't work as evidenced by the shit sales compared to their other albums.  Then on top of that you figure in that they also successfully alienated their core fanbase that had been buying their albums for years.

The 2 joints I've heard from Prodigy's new album are better than ANYTHING Mobb Deep has done on G-Unit.  It's not even close.

LOL @ trying to say that G-Unit wasn't on over half of this album.  That's a fucking lie so quit doing it.  You're in serious denial here. 
 

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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2007, 06:26:48 AM »
so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?

checkmate!

Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.

"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"

Actually it is checkmate. Listen to "Soundscan" - he never dissed 50 for his sales. Game wasn't a G-Unit CEO, he was a G-Unit artist. He outsold every other G-Unit artist (not including 50) while he was with them, and he outsold them without them.

Oh, and didn't 50 say that Yayo would outsell "The Documentary"? LMAO

Of course he didnt diss 50 for his sales, dissing 50 for that would be plain crazy. He compared himself to 50, saying how he'll retire if he wont do a million in the first week.

He did outsell all of GUnit artists but that had a lot to do with the controversy sournding him. Everybody was watining on how he'll do without Dre and 50. While the rest of Gunit artits were just GUnit artists point black. Nothing new or controversial about that. If Game stayed on Gunit he'd sell even less.

Even if you look at it from this perspective Banks went from 1.5 to 300 which is a 1.2 drop and Game went from 2.3 to 800 which is a 1.5 drop. Game also had a bigger fanbase from the first album so these numbers are completley logical.

That makes no sense. Every G-Unit artist had 50 (the biggest artist in the game right now) on their first singles and still couldn't outsell Game with 2 solo singles that got little to no play? Let me guess...Junior Reed is more respected than 50? Lol

Fine, just to make you feel better - let's add the sales up because it is Game vs. G-Unit as a whole. So if you add up Yayo, Banks, and Mobb Deep they did outsell Game.

Mobb Deep didnt have 50 on any singles for the album. And having 50 on your single doesnt mean you'll sell. That was the case 3 years ago, shit time went by and as history told us general public aint loyal.

Game outsould Mobb Deep and Banks because of they hype sournding him. Like Ive said before it was the deal with the whole ex-Aftermath/GUnit, plus Game hustled like crazy, while Banks thought he'd sell of the name alone. Even like you said Game had no hit singles and still managed to sell 800.000. Thats mostly of the hype alone. Getting kicked out of those 2 labels was the best thing that could have happen to Game.
 

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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2007, 06:29:38 AM »
So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.
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« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2007, 06:30:43 AM »
So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.

Its 2 things if you ask me:

a) Having hype, hustling, being an attention whore

b) Creating hit singles
 

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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2007, 08:03:10 AM »
That's not true.. If it was, then what happened to Busta Rhymes' album? He had a bunch of hot singles, he had dre's backing, and he released a remix with a bunch of artists on it, and had controversy with a body guard being shot.. He marketed alot, he was even on 'so you think you can dance'.. He had alot of concerts.. Yet, He only went Gold.


Give credit where credit is due, Game sold records and his album was good. The only thing that has slumped his sales (this far) has been a big delay  between singles. His album has only been out for 3 months and he is certified platinum.. So let's just see what his album finishes at..
 

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« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2007, 08:22:06 AM »
It's sad to see that sales is the basis of what is and is not a good album these days but I blame the artist. 50 was bragging about units and sales and so were other members in his camp and when there is a dip in those sales? Nothing is said. Same with Game. Mobb did not sell because hardcore Mobb fans were not feeling them going to G-Unit and Prodigy pulled a Kurupt and fell the fuck off. They waited too long inbetween singles to put something out to and I am going to use 50's term, "general public". Game does have a point, the only person in G-Unit that can save it is 50. Buck maybe.

Cam's timing of bringing that up about Jimmy's sales vs Banks (which I think Jim has past Banks) was good, 2 years ago he would not have been able to say that. These rappers have the general public brainwashed into thinking sales. People would rather hit up a soundscan to see a flop or success then enjoy a record anymore.
 

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« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2007, 08:43:47 AM »
Well, the world is all about numbers, so that's hardly a surprise. You can hardly blame these rappers for talking about it all the time.
 

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« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2007, 08:57:09 AM »
Well, the world is all about numbers, so that's hardly a surprise. You can hardly blame these rappers for talking about it all the time.

It was not always like that though. And the rappers really do not control the numbers so they want to take credit when the numbers are good but don't want blame when they are bad. I don't feel any sympathy for any rapper bragging about sales onec they slump.
 

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« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2007, 11:50:07 AM »
So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.

Its 2 things if you ask me:

a) Having hype, hustling, being an attention whore

b) Creating hit singles




I don’t think it’s as straight forward. There are a number of factors that contribute to sales. Some are more obvious like the singles, promotion the marketing and others are less obvious like sales history, uniqueness of sound, sound palatability, creativity, fan base loyalty and timing.

Some one like jay-z can put out an album like “Kingdom Come” that was pretty average by comparison and still have the greatest 1st week sales in 2006 (which he did). Now I would submit his numbers were the result of his past sales history, timing and optimal levels of promotion and marketing. People have heard a lot of Jay-Z, and his recent albums have been really good establishing enough good faith to get fans buying the album just because they believe given Jay’s history it will be a safe bet. Couple that with the whole “coming out of retirement” marketing scheme, the holiday sales push and big time promotion and that’s his sales right there.

Conversely someone like Ghostface who’s released two solid albums in 2006 can’t seem to do those high numbers. There is no doubt Ghostface’s albums are unique in sound, ahead of the curb in creativity and he’s had several radio worthy singles to boot. So why the sales slump? I would say he working against the mainstream snap and hip-hop (a very good thing btw!) in terms of sound palatability. Singles like “Back like that” provide the crossover sound necessary to get on radio but they sure don’t represent the rest of the album. Ghost’s palatability is limited in that regard to people who enjoy a uniqueness and creative edge to their music which results in a kind of an esoteric brand and smaller but loyal fan base.

Now a group like Mobb Deep is interesting because they represent the Ghostface category of artists trying to totally flip the script and be the Jay-Z artist. Before G-unit they had the creativity, the sound palatability, the uniqueness and the loyal fan base but once they switched things up with the move to G-unit they lost all of that and tried to rely solely on the single, the promotion and the marketing. Why didn’t they do those diamond numbers they were projecting? Because they lost the loyalty of their fan base, they released an album completely devoid of any uniqueness or creativity (complete and utter G-unit cookie cutter album to a T) and their timing couldn’t have been worse. They jumped on G-unit as people started getting sick of hearing about G-unit, they signed in light of being directly dissed by 50 on piggy bank and they signed at a time when the essence of hip-hop being watered down by hip-pop and snap was reaching it’s boiling point (no pun intended). The whole move was a total disaster.

It just goes to show that having the strongest record label backing you (Interscope), having the best selling brand (G-unit) behind you and what should have been a foolproof selling sound (see G-unit cookie cutter hooks, beats and features) can still result in a brick of an album if you neglect the other important factors that contribute to success.     


 

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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2007, 11:53:50 AM »
That's not true.. If it was, then what happened to Busta Rhymes' album? He had a bunch of hot singles, he had dre's backing, and he released a remix with a bunch of artists on it, and had controversy with a body guard being shot.. He marketed alot, he was even on 'so you think you can dance'.. He had alot of concerts.. Yet, He only went Gold.


Busta flopped because of the push backs. Touch It was huge in Decmeber, January but his album was released in June. He got fucked like crazy.
 

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« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2007, 11:54:38 AM »
So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.

Its 2 things if you ask me:

a) Having hype, hustling, being an attention whore

b) Creating hit singles




I don’t think it’s as straight forward. There are a number of factors that contribute to sales. Some are more obvious like the singles, promotion the marketing and others are less obvious like sales history, uniqueness of sound, sound palatability, creativity, fan base loyalty and timing.

Some one like jay-z can put out an album like “Kingdom Come” that was pretty average by comparison and still have the greatest 1st week sales in 2006 (which he did). Now I would submit his numbers were the result of his past sales history, timing and optimal levels of promotion and marketing. People have heard a lot of Jay-Z, and his recent albums have been really good establishing enough good faith to get fans buying the album just because they believe given Jay’s history it will be a safe bet. Couple that with the whole “coming out of retirement” marketing scheme, the holiday sales push and big time promotion and that’s his sales right there.

Conversely someone like Ghostface who’s released two solid albums in 2006 can’t seem to do those high numbers. There is no doubt Ghostface’s albums are unique in sound, ahead of the curb in creativity and he’s had several radio worthy singles to boot. So why the sales slump? I would say he working against the mainstream snap and hip-hop (a very good thing btw!) in terms of sound palatability. Singles like “Back like that” provide the crossover sound necessary to get on radio but they sure don’t represent the rest of the album. Ghost’s palatability is limited in that regard to people who enjoy a uniqueness and creative edge to their music which results in a kind of an esoteric brand and smaller but loyal fan base.

Now a group like Mobb Deep is interesting because they represent the Ghostface category of artists trying to totally flip the script and be the Jay-Z artist. Before G-unit they had the creativity, the sound palatability, the uniqueness and the loyal fan base but once they switched things up with the move to G-unit they lost all of that and tried to rely solely on the single, the promotion and the marketing. Why didn’t they do those diamond numbers they were projecting? Because they lost the loyalty of their fan base, they released an album completely devoid of any uniqueness or creativity (complete and utter G-unit cookie cutter album to a T) and their timing couldn’t have been worse. They jumped on G-unit as people started getting sick of hearing about G-unit, they signed in light of being directly dissed by 50 on piggy bank and they signed at a time when the essence of hip-hop being watered down by hip-pop and snap was reaching it’s boiling point (no pun intended). The whole move was a total disaster.

It just goes to show that having the strongest record label backing you (Interscope), having the best selling brand (G-unit) behind you and what should have been a foolproof selling sound (see G-unit cookie cutter hooks, beats and features) can still result in a brick of an album if you neglect the other important factors that contribute to success.     




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Re: how much did mobb deep sell?
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2007, 11:58:03 AM »
That's not true.. If it was, then what happened to Busta Rhymes' album? He had a bunch of hot singles, he had dre's backing, and he released a remix with a bunch of artists on it, and had controversy with a body guard being shot.. He marketed alot, he was even on 'so you think you can dance'.. He had alot of concerts.. Yet, He only went Gold.


Busta flopped because of the push backs. Touch It was huge in Decmeber, January but his album was released in June. He got fucked like crazy.

True that.