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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2007, 10:47:44 AM »
Godfather can be considered better than King of New York because they aren't completely different genres or so I assume (haven't seen the latter).
But, for instance I don't know why exactly, but many people consider Dumb and Dumber a very, very hilarious movie. So it's just as good in filling its purpose.
Of course, Godfather can still be considered more "arty" for obvious reasons, as a movie like this naturally comes along in a more artful manner.
For movies it is a little different though. As they are more similiar even within different genres than music. Music can be something that completely differs from each other, also, people have different ears for it. Like, for instance, my homies who don't really listen to rap, can't grasp what I find so great about a certain flow or delivery. To them it's all the same, the beat if pretty much everything. They don't have that rap-loving ear that I have. I on the other hand don't have a ear for hardcore heavy metal. To me it's just annoying noise. But I would never go as far as saying Hiphop is superior art compared to that.


I wasn't generalizing hip hop, and I wasn't judging it as an outsider. A great portion of my cd colection is still hip hop. I'm not judging the musical side of hip hop either. We were talking about lyrics, and in that case I don't see how you cannot compare Nas and Dylan. If people think Nas is better then that's fine. To each his own. I explained why I dislike much of the lyricism in hip hop. I called it less of an art because of the presentation. Could I be wrong? Sure. But it will always sound silly to me when an artist promotes himself the person in a serious song. If it's comedy then it's fine, but I can't imagine Scorsese placing shots of himself accomplishing something inbetween shots of a film like Raging Bull, or Marlon Brando setting up his scenes in Streetcar with "aaahhhhhhhhhhhhh yeeeeeeeeeaaaahhhhhh, Here's big Mar with some mo' fiyahh fo dat ass. Stellaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!". It would just be too hard for me to take it seriously. It detracts from the art and focuses on the promotion. Imagine a film like Mystic River spending 5 minutes on a scene between characters talking about how great of a director Clint Eastwood while in character during the film, just because Clint was directing and wanted to let people know he's the man. That's how feel when I hear a lopt of rappers.

I also hate it when they defend their content by using violent films as an example but never come out an say "we are playing characters". They insist on it being a reality far too often. I also hate little stupid similes that pop in to finish rhymes but take away from the tone. Like Cormega's Fallen Soldiers. A great song with a great tone but a stupid simile that always throws me off:

What, I'ma live for my niggas
I'ma shine for my niggas
How can I express the sorrow, I learn to dread tomorrow
Had to see my nigga Yammy dead, but he can rest with honor
Cuz he was reppin on his quest for dollars
I was the one who took him Uptown, with someone into measure powder
I treasure our memories together, hard to believe
I'ma never see you again, but I'ma make you breathin thru pen
So everyone can see you my friend, in fly sneakers again
Life is sweet and kinda deep when it ends
Still remember you, beefin over bullshit calls at basketball games cheatin
Yo, my cipher ain't complete, I'm sorry for that argument we had
On twelth street over a sale, knowing well that you was seekin dough aswell
What we made up the same night
And thru the years remained tight, the same love
The same drugs rockin the same Nikes
Now that you gone, I'm here to reppin your name right, yo
Chorus [Cormega]
Did you ever lose a nigga you love?
Then ask yourself is there a heaven for thugs?
And will you be forgiven when your spirit is judged
This song is dedicated to my niggas above
Did you ever lose a nigga you love?
Then ask yourself is there a heaven for thugs?
And will you be forgiven when your spirit is judged
This song is dedicated to my niggas above
[Cormega]
And to my cousin Bam
You my fuckin man, I find it hard to understand
You gone, you physical form is dormant
I'm lost like the Bulls without Jordan
Tell my man J.B. from Edgemere I said peace
Son, I live a thug life, I clutch mics
With the same intensity that I used to crush white
G-Fresh was at your funeral, son I felt it
And if I start cryin when I rhyme I can't help it
Analyze, never think I forgot you, you my heart
And even death can't keep the two of us apart
From day one, watchin cartoons and shootin playguns
Who ever thought we see this day come
Tell my moms I miss her, give her a kiss and tell her
That her younger child done her proud
I know she heard about me runnin wild
Ya'll gone now, but livin in my memory
Fallen soldiers, sleepin in serenity


P.S. King of NY and Godfather are both mob films which is why I mentioned them. And I think opinions can be stronger than others if you know enough of the medium. People that would call Dumb and Dumber a better film than Godfather are like people that would call DaVinci Code a better book than War and Piece, while experts in either genre (for the record I am not an expert) who study film and literature will laugh and tell you exactly why both GF and W&P are superior. I know philosophically you can argue the merit of opinion, but you can philosophically argue gravity and the theories behind it. If you have no evidence to explain why the current theory is dead wrong then you can't simply say "well you can't 100% prove it and I disagree. I think we stay grounded on the earth because God wants us to, and that's that". But you can very well believe that just like you can believe a crayon coloured portrait of a stick figure is better than the Mona Lisa, but no one will take you seriously, and for good reason.
 

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #51 on: February 23, 2007, 10:55:15 AM »
 wasn't generalizing hip hop, and I wasn't judging it as an outsider. A great portion of my cd colection is still hip hop. I'm not judging the musical side of hip hop either. We were talking about lyrics, and in that case I don't see how you cannot compare Nas and Dylan. If people think Nas is better then that's fine. To each his own. I explained why I dislike much of the lyricism in hip hop. I called it less of an art because of the presentation. Could I be wrong? Sure. But it will always sound silly to me when an artist promotes himself the person in a serious song. If it's comedy then it's fine, but I can't imagine Scorsese placing shots of himself accomplishing something inbetween shots of a film like Raging Bull, or Marlon Brando setting up his scenes in Streetcar with "aaahhhhhhhhhhhhh yeeeeeeeeeaaaahhhhhh, Here's big Mar with some mo' fiyahh fo dat ass. Stellaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!". It would just be too hard for me to take it seriously. It detracts from the art and focuses on the promotion. Imagine a film like Mystic River spending 5 minutes on a scene between characters talking about how great of a director Clint Eastwood while in character during the film, just because Clint was directing and wanted to let people know he's the man. That's how feel when I hear a lopt of rappers. -Shallow

FANTASTIC POINT, I've often felt the same way about alot of rap for years. That's kinda why I like game though, he does it to the point of self satire. like he's aware of the ridiculous aspects of hip hop and uses them to a sarcastic but still artistic extent...he's like a personification of everything wrong and right in the hip hop game(street enough to get street cred but too street to avoid beef dig?). just a thought. either way, shallow, great post. I hope to see you around more. +1

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #52 on: February 23, 2007, 11:29:59 AM »
wasn't generalizing hip hop, and I wasn't judging it as an outsider. A great portion of my cd colection is still hip hop. I'm not judging the musical side of hip hop either. We were talking about lyrics, and in that case I don't see how you cannot compare Nas and Dylan. If people think Nas is better then that's fine. To each his own. I explained why I dislike much of the lyricism in hip hop. I called it less of an art because of the presentation. Could I be wrong? Sure. But it will always sound silly to me when an artist promotes himself the person in a serious song. If it's comedy then it's fine, but I can't imagine Scorsese placing shots of himself accomplishing something inbetween shots of a film like Raging Bull, or Marlon Brando setting up his scenes in Streetcar with "aaahhhhhhhhhhhhh yeeeeeeeeeaaaahhhhhh, Here's big Mar with some mo' fiyahh fo dat ass. Stellaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!". It would just be too hard for me to take it seriously. It detracts from the art and focuses on the promotion. Imagine a film like Mystic River spending 5 minutes on a scene between characters talking about how great of a director Clint Eastwood while in character during the film, just because Clint was directing and wanted to let people know he's the man. That's how feel when I hear a lopt of rappers. -Shallow

FANTASTIC POINT, I've often felt the same way about alot of rap for years. That's kinda why I like game though, he does it to the point of self satire. like he's aware of the ridiculous aspects of hip hop and uses them to a sarcastic but still artistic extent...he's like a personification of everything wrong and right in the hip hop game(street enough to get street cred but too street to avoid beef dig?). just a thought. either way, shallow, great post. I hope to see you around more. +1

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #53 on: February 23, 2007, 11:31:44 AM »
you listen to Game?

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #54 on: February 23, 2007, 11:50:46 AM »
you listen to Game?

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Not enough to notice that. I'll take a listen though..
 

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #55 on: February 23, 2007, 11:55:06 AM »
well, some people may argue that he doesn't do it intentionally. But I think he does.

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #56 on: February 23, 2007, 01:04:50 PM »
Everybody thinks it's there duty to run and defend Rock music whenever anybody says they don't like it.  And this is supposed to be a hip-hop forum.  I know they don't defend hip-hop like this on Rock music forums.
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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2007, 01:29:49 PM »
Everybody thinks it's there duty to run and defend Rock music whenever anybody says they don't like it.  And this is supposed to be a hip-hop forum.  I know they don't defend hip-hop like this on Rock music forums.


You didn't just say you didn't like it. You had to ignorantly bash it. I know you only did it to be funny and get a rise out of people but some people for some odd reason take you seriously every once in a while. I know the majority of your posts are intended to be stupid and I usually leave you alone but when others think you're serious with your stupid backhanded insults I respond to those people.

For the record I have often defended hip hop on many rock discussion boards and on the Springsteen board I frequent. People here don't defend rock for the sake of rock, or being white. They just get annoyed with your complete waste of time comments and lash out at you. Try being 100% genuine and reasonble for a change and you'll see a great difference in how people respond to you.
 

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« Reply #58 on: February 23, 2007, 01:45:25 PM »
Everybody thinks it's there duty to run and defend Rock music whenever anybody says they don't like it.  And this is supposed to be a hip-hop forum.  I know they don't defend hip-hop like this on Rock music forums.

You ever even been to any rock forums?  Or general music forums?  How you even gonna speak on it?

Just shut up now, seriously just shut the fuck up.  You're always going to be a pathetic cracker and I'm still going to kill you when the revolution starts.  Allah doesn't want me to live in "submission to the creator" with you; Allah wants me to grab the chopper and empty the clip in your direction.

guerilla-from-the-mist, rap is not the only real music. Bob Dylan in the 60's was at least as political as PE. he marched with dr.king, sang songs at the same rally he delivered I have a dream at.

That's not what I said, fag boy.  Get off Shallow's dick now.  He's saying precisely the opposite of what your stupid ass thought I said.
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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2007, 02:09:48 PM »
for one, infinite is retarded and ive learned to try and ignore him.

more things i dont like about hip hop: i hate how a rapper will always tell you how he will tell you something like "ima teach you guys" or "ima drop knowledge" but never do. also i hate how they will have 1 fragment out of nowhere with some "knowledge" that has nothing to do with the song so they could, i dunno, seem smarter.


also why is everyone like, this is a hip hop forum leave, dude, its the outbound, its not just for east and south rap, its for all kinds of music, plus most of us have been here for years,  and some of us grew.

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2007, 02:16:28 PM »
for one, infinite is retarded and ive learned to try and ignore him.

more things i dont like about hip hop: i hate how a rapper will always tell you how he will tell you something like "ima teach you guys" or "ima drop knowledge" but never do. also i hate how they will have 1 fragment out of nowhere with some "knowledge" that has nothing to do with the song so they could, i dunno, seem smarter.


also why is everyone like, this is a hip hop forum leave, dude, its the outbound, its not just for east and south rap, its for all kinds of music, plus most of us have been here for years,  and some of us grew.

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2007, 02:18:30 PM »
I like how everybody is hating on hiphop-artists for being arrogant, yet is an arrogant prick himfuckingself. "Some of us grew"...

Bragging is a part of rap. That's a fact. At least they ain't hypocrites.. you can be sure a lot of artists are just as cocky if not more in real life. So ultimately your main problem with rap is that you often hear men being full of themselves. You might not listen to yourself when you talk then. Would explain a lot, too.
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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2007, 02:40:40 PM »
I like how everybody is hating on hiphop-artists for being arrogant, yet is an arrogant prick himfuckingself. "Some of us grew"...

Bragging is a part of rap. That's a fact. At least they ain't hypocrites.. you can be sure a lot of artists are just as cocky if not more in real life. So ultimately your main problem with rap is that you often hear men being full of themselves. You might not listen to yourself when you talk then. Would explain a lot, too.


Of course they're hypocrites. They brag about shit they aren't doing and most likely never did. Most of these gangster rappers were losers in real life, on the outside looking in,and they get famous taking credit for someone else's lifestyle. They just take the gang stories of real thugs and speak about them in the first person. I've found it very rare to see a real hard core thug brag about what he's done. Most of the guys bragging are the ones that hang around him and really don't do shit when he isn't around. And the rappers I know here are often the softest guys with the biggest mouths and they all rap about killing. Maybe not every single rapper is a fraud but I'll bet if you go to most their hoods and ask about how they were most people that know them will tell you exactly what I saiid.
 

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2007, 02:53:27 PM »
Of course they're hypocrites. They brag about shit they aren't doing and most likely never did. Most of these gangster rappers were losers in real life, on the outside looking in,and they get famous taking credit for someone else's lifestyle. They just take the gang stories of real thugs and speak about them in the first person. I've found it very rare to see a real hard core thug brag about what he's done. Most of the guys bragging are the ones that hang around him and really don't do shit when he isn't around. And the rappers I know here are often the softest guys with the biggest mouths and they all rap about killing. Maybe not every single rapper is a fraud but I'll bet if you go to most their hoods and ask about how they were most people that know them will tell you exactly what I saiid.

 Everyone seems to have forgotten that songwriting and composing your own music has pretty much dissolved, all that fake shit you're talking about is alive and well in rock music. All they sing about is sad girls, a girl that made him sad, sadness, his anger at mom and dad paying his bills, and wannabe protest music, like RATM if they wanna rage then it's time to donate all their millions to the communist party  otherwise it's just feeding the beast.
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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2007, 02:57:18 PM »
I think the topic of this thread has been discussed. Mods please lock this before more nonsense is brought up in here.
 

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2007, 03:18:57 PM »
Of course they're hypocrites. They brag about shit they aren't doing and most likely never did. Most of these gangster rappers were losers in real life, on the outside looking in,and they get famous taking credit for someone else's lifestyle. They just take the gang stories of real thugs and speak about them in the first person. I've found it very rare to see a real hard core thug brag about what he's done. Most of the guys bragging are the ones that hang around him and really don't do shit when he isn't around. And the rappers I know here are often the softest guys with the biggest mouths and they all rap about killing. Maybe not every single rapper is a fraud but I'll bet if you go to most their hoods and ask about how they were most people that know them will tell you exactly what I saiid.

 Everyone seems to have forgotten that songwriting and composing your own music has pretty much dissolved, all that fake shit you're talking about is alive and well in rock music. All they sing about is sad girls, a girl that made him sad, sadness, his anger at mom and dad paying his bills, and wannabe protest music, like RATM if they wanna rage then it's time to donate all their millions to the communist party  otherwise it's just feeding the beast.

I just mentioned they were fake. I wasn't insulting them for it, nor have I stated rock is filled with "real" individuals. I could care less what kind of a human being an artist is as long as I like the art.
 

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2007, 03:47:45 PM »
I like how everybody is hating on hiphop-artists for being arrogant, yet is an arrogant prick himfuckingself. "Some of us grew"...

Bragging is a part of rap. That's a fact. At least they ain't hypocrites.. you can be sure a lot of artists are just as cocky if not more in real life. So ultimately your main problem with rap is that you often hear men being full of themselves. You might not listen to yourself when you talk then. Would explain a lot, too.


Of course they're hypocrites. They brag about shit they aren't doing and most likely never did. Most of these gangster rappers were losers in real life, on the outside looking in,and they get famous taking credit for someone else's lifestyle. They just take the gang stories of real thugs and speak about them in the first person. I've found it very rare to see a real hard core thug brag about what he's done. Most of the guys bragging are the ones that hang around him and really don't do shit when he isn't around. And the rappers I know here are often the softest guys with the biggest mouths and they all rap about killing. Maybe not every single rapper is a fraud but I'll bet if you go to most their hoods and ask about how they were most people that know them will tell you exactly what I saiid.

Who gives a fuck?  It's called ENTERTAINMENT, bitch.  Of course rappers haven't killed hundreds of people in real life like they brag in their songs.  The only nigga alive who's killed that many muh'fuckas is ME; of course, most of the ones I killed were devils in which case they deserved it.
 

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« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2007, 04:12:26 PM »
I like how everybody is hating on hiphop-artists for being arrogant, yet is an arrogant prick himfuckingself. "Some of us grew"...

Bragging is a part of rap. That's a fact. At least they ain't hypocrites.. you can be sure a lot of artists are just as cocky if not more in real life. So ultimately your main problem with rap is that you often hear men being full of themselves. You might not listen to yourself when you talk then. Would explain a lot, too.


Of course they're hypocrites. They brag about shit they aren't doing and most likely never did. Most of these gangster rappers were losers in real life, on the outside looking in,and they get famous taking credit for someone else's lifestyle. They just take the gang stories of real thugs and speak about them in the first person. I've found it very rare to see a real hard core thug brag about what he's done. Most of the guys bragging are the ones that hang around him and really don't do shit when he isn't around. And the rappers I know here are often the softest guys with the biggest mouths and they all rap about killing. Maybe not every single rapper is a fraud but I'll bet if you go to most their hoods and ask about how they were most people that know them will tell you exactly what I saiid.

Who gives a fuck?  It's called ENTERTAINMENT, bitch.  Of course rappers haven't killed hundreds of people in real life like they brag in their songs.  The only nigga alive who's killed that many muh'fuckas is ME; of course, most of the ones I killed were devils in which case they deserved it.




Who gives a fuck? Not me, as Isaid in the post just above yours;



Of course they're hypocrites. They brag about shit they aren't doing and most likely never did. Most of these gangster rappers were losers in real life, on the outside looking in,and they get famous taking credit for someone else's lifestyle. They just take the gang stories of real thugs and speak about them in the first person. I've found it very rare to see a real hard core thug brag about what he's done. Most of the guys bragging are the ones that hang around him and really don't do shit when he isn't around. And the rappers I know here are often the softest guys with the biggest mouths and they all rap about killing. Maybe not every single rapper is a fraud but I'll bet if you go to most their hoods and ask about how they were most people that know them will tell you exactly what I saiid.

 Everyone seems to have forgotten that songwriting and composing your own music has pretty much dissolved, all that fake shit you're talking about is alive and well in rock music. All they sing about is sad girls, a girl that made him sad, sadness, his anger at mom and dad paying his bills, and wannabe protest music, like RATM if they wanna rage then it's time to donate all their millions to the communist party  otherwise it's just feeding the beast.

I just mentioned they were fake. I wasn't insulting them for it, nor have I stated rock is filled with "real" individuals. I could care less what kind of a human being an artist is as long as I like the art.
 

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2007, 05:13:43 PM »
I like how everybody is hating on hiphop-artists for being arrogant, yet is an arrogant prick himfuckingself. "Some of us grew"...

Bragging is a part of rap. That's a fact. At least they ain't hypocrites.. you can be sure a lot of artists are just as cocky if not more in real life. So ultimately your main problem with rap is that you often hear men being full of themselves. You might not listen to yourself when you talk then. Would explain a lot, too.


Of course they're hypocrites. They brag about shit they aren't doing and most likely never did. Most of these gangster rappers were losers in real life, on the outside looking in,and they get famous taking credit for someone else's lifestyle. They just take the gang stories of real thugs and speak about them in the first person. I've found it very rare to see a real hard core thug brag about what he's done. Most of the guys bragging are the ones that hang around him and really don't do shit when he isn't around. And the rappers I know here are often the softest guys with the biggest mouths and they all rap about killing. Maybe not every single rapper is a fraud but I'll bet if you go to most their hoods and ask about how they were most people that know them will tell you exactly what I saiid.

Lol. Yes, because you are supposed to take their word. Like when Eminem (I take him as an example, as so did you) goes for lyrics like
"Warning, this shit gonna be rated R, restricted.
You see this bullet hole in my neck?
/It's self-inflicted/
Doctor slapped my momma/
bitch you got a sick kid/
Arrested, molested myself and got convicted."


it's obviously not meant to be a report of something that actually happened like this.

Musicians tell STORIES all the damn time. In the song "Jolene" the singer of the White Stripes makes a fucking FAGGOT out of himself,  for instance.
Cause I don't care where I belong no more
What we share or not I will ignore
And I won't waste my time fitting in
Cause I don't think contrast is a sin
No, it's not a sin
 

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2007, 05:27:51 PM »
I like how everybody is hating on hiphop-artists for being arrogant, yet is an arrogant prick himfuckingself. "Some of us grew"...

Bragging is a part of rap. That's a fact. At least they ain't hypocrites.. you can be sure a lot of artists are just as cocky if not more in real life. So ultimately your main problem with rap is that you often hear men being full of themselves. You might not listen to yourself when you talk then. Would explain a lot, too.


Of course they're hypocrites. They brag about shit they aren't doing and most likely never did. Most of these gangster rappers were losers in real life, on the outside looking in,and they get famous taking credit for someone else's lifestyle. They just take the gang stories of real thugs and speak about them in the first person. I've found it very rare to see a real hard core thug brag about what he's done. Most of the guys bragging are the ones that hang around him and really don't do shit when he isn't around. And the rappers I know here are often the softest guys with the biggest mouths and they all rap about killing. Maybe not every single rapper is a fraud but I'll bet if you go to most their hoods and ask about how they were most people that know them will tell you exactly what I saiid.

Lol. Yes, because you are supposed to take their word. Like when Eminem (I take him as an example, as so did you) goes for lyrics like
"Warning, this shit gonna be rated R, restricted.
You see this bullet hole in my neck?
/It's self-inflicted/
Doctor slapped my momma/
bitch you got a sick kid/
Arrested, molested myself and got convicted."


it's obviously not meant to be a report of something that actually happened like this.

Musicians tell STORIES all the damn time. In the song "Jolene" the singer of the White Stripes makes a fucking FAGGOT out of himself,  for instance.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but you can't deny that these thug rappers claim what they say in records is what really happened to them in the streets far more than they say it's fiction.

P.S. Jolene is a cover of an old Dolly Parton song (in case you didn't know, which you very well may have)
 

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2007, 05:35:44 PM »
Yes I knew that but that doesn't really change a lot. Anyways, my problem is, if a rapper talks about something that happened, it's "just literal", if he talks about something that didn't happen, he's a liar, a fake, a hypocrite, a bitch nigga. If a rock dude talks about something that didn't happen it's figuratively speaking, excellent use of methaphors opening doors for various interpretations etc... Get outta here.
I am not argueing that you have to enjoy rap as much as rock, LOL. Jesus. But to call rock as a genre flat out "better" and superior, while subtly insulting me as a rap-dude in his twenties and calling me a dumbass, is not something I'll let fly with a smile.
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What we share or not I will ignore
And I won't waste my time fitting in
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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2007, 05:50:09 PM »
Yes I knew that but that doesn't really change a lot. Anyways, my problem is, if a rapper talks about something that happened, it's "just literal", if he talks about something that didn't happen, he's a liar, a fake, a hypocrite, a bitch nigga. If a rock dude talks about something that didn't happen it's figuratively speaking, excellent use of methaphors opening doors for various interpretations etc... Get outta here.
I am not argueing that you have to enjoy rap as much as rock, LOL. Jesus. But to call rock as a genre flat out "better" and superior, while subtly insulting me as a rap-dude in his twenties and calling me a dumbass, is not something I'll let fly with a smile.


What are you talking about? I never said rappers have to be truthful. It would help a great deal if they did admit they write stories and not focus on trying to maintain credibility. I think it would greatly improve the lyrics. But I never said they had to do anything. I just pointed out how rap works by rap standards. They call themselves fake. A rapper puts on the mask when they talk about their raps. Cam Ron in that O'reilly video calls himself an author while Dash brings up hollywood as an example, then Cam calls himself a reporter while saying you can't blame him for reporting what really happens. There is no consistency. I could care less what kind of a show they want to put on but don't blame me for noticing.

I never called you or anyone else an idiot for liking rap. The closest I came was saying Nas dumbs down his songs and he does with songs like I Gave You Power. He obviously thinks a song like that will go over many of his fan's heads. That has nothing to do with what I think of your intelligence.

I don't get it, was I confusing you, or did your own ignorance skim through my posts and just assume what I meant?
 

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2007, 05:54:23 PM »
Don't act like you're not guilty of what I accused you of. Nobody will believe you.
Cause I don't care where I belong no more
What we share or not I will ignore
And I won't waste my time fitting in
Cause I don't think contrast is a sin
No, it's not a sin
 

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2007, 07:06:30 PM »
Don't act like you're not guilty of what I accused you of. Nobody will believe you.


So go and show me then. Show where and how I ever attacked someone's intelligence for liking rap? I thought you were an evidenced based guy, not a speculator. You'll have an easier time proving the existence of Jesus Christ as a supernatural being than you will trying to prove I think people are stupid becuse they like rap, because there is no evidence. Just you and your assumptions. If you did have anything to go by other than your speculation you would have used that in your post.
 

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Re: Chris Cornell leaves Audioslave
« Reply #74 on: February 24, 2007, 02:32:54 AM »
I don't see how I'm on someone's dick cause I agree with them. Could people say you're on Allah's dick?

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sounds like we had a similar musical interest shifting experience.
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