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Attatchment and Addiction to Created Things Is Slavery...
« on: April 28, 2007, 10:43:20 PM »
If you are attatched or addicted to something than you become a slave to that thing.  This could be a drug, a job, a woman, food, anything.  When you are in such a condition you can be easily exploited.  Let's take a community of alcoholics for example.  They can be continually exploited by the beer companies.  The beer companies seek to create this kind of dependancy, because then it knows you are slave to them and you are a customer for life.  This is how people prey on each other.   

The person who needs nothing is the on who is truly free.  On the other hand, if you are stuck in a life of slavery and dissatisfied with your position, and you are not willing to go without whatever it is you are attatched to; a house, or money, or the job you are in, the woman that you love, then it could be said that you are not willing to do what it takes to be free. 

Let's take a worst case scenario, let's say you have to live homeless for a period of time to cut yourself off from your attatchments.  Then you are either going to do that situation, or at worst, that situation is going to do you.  That's all that can happen.

The only entity that we may be attatched and addicted to is Allah.  The reason is that Allah is the Creator of all things, no Creator but Allah.  Therefore, this means that Allah is self-sufficient, and Allah is not in need of anything. 

Let me explain by another example; if you are attatched to another person; let's say a woman.  Then that woman is in need, and she can exploit you to make sure that her needs are being met.  Yet on the other hand, Allah is self-sufficient and has no needs, and therefore he only provides benefit and sustainance to mankind and all of his creations.

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Re: Attatchment and Addiction to Created Things Is Slavery...
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2007, 11:34:27 PM »
Why don't you free yourself from Allah for a week and see what that does for you. 
 

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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2007, 02:46:50 AM »

Allah is self-sufficient, and Allah is not in need of anything. 





Then Allah is not in need of your worship, you shouldnt have to go and pray/worship at all or wear any religious attire.


What Allah/God/Jesus wants is for to expand yo mind niggaz.

 

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Re: Attatchment and Addiction to Created Things Is Slavery...
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2007, 02:49:09 AM »

Allah is self-sufficient, and Allah is not in need of anything. 





Then Allah is not in need of your worship, you shouldnt have to go and pray/worship at all or wear any religious attire.


What Allah/God/Jesus wants is for to expand yo mind niggaz.



Allah doesn't need my worship, my worship of Allah is for my own benefit.
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2007, 03:08:07 AM »
yeah you really seem to be benefiting from your slavery bryan
 

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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2007, 03:22:12 AM »
It's only after we have lost everything that we are free to do anything. That being said Allah can suck my dick. Addicted to  a person > Addicted to an activity > Addicted to a type of food > Addicted to a job > Addicted to cocaine >>> Addicted to crack >>>>> Addicted to Allah
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Re: Attatchment and Addiction to Created Things Is Slavery...
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2007, 03:47:05 AM »
It's only after we have lost everything that we are free to do anything. That being said Allah can suck my dick. Addicted to  a person > Addicted to an activity > Addicted to a type of food > Addicted to a job > Addicted to cocaine >>> Addicted to crack >>>>> Addicted to Allah

That's nothing but your pride and arrogance talking.
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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2007, 04:26:24 AM »
if a woman is using you to get things from you, and you give in and give them to her

your weak and should kill yourself
 

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2007, 07:06:58 AM »
It's only after we have lost everything that we are free to do anything. That being said Allah can suck my dick. Addicted to  a person > Addicted to an activity > Addicted to a type of food > Addicted to a job > Addicted to cocaine >>> Addicted to crack >>>>> Addicted to Allah

That's nothing but your pride and arrogance talking.


Same goes for you. You are "proud" of being a muslim and try to spread that all over the forum.

You make a fool of yourself time and time again, fool. Everything you say is more contradicting then a gay christian.

If Allah isn't in need of ANYTHING how come muslims live by a code of praying, and women are dressing with all these funny ass things on they head. And don't say "they have selfrespect and don't dress like whores, unlike the rest of the western world" cause that's all muslims can come up with. I rather see a beatiful girl dressed as a whore then a "thing" inside a clothing package.

Stop the propaganda Bryan, and get a life. Maybe then you get the respect you are searching for. Until then, fuck you.  :-*
 

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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2007, 07:12:50 AM »
you're right about the whole dependance/addiction thing... but thats common sense, every relationship needs to be balanced, and being addicted to any drug/thing aint good for you.

 

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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2007, 08:21:40 AM »
I would think I'm reading the words of an anarchist like no-one before him, were it not for the ridiculous submission to Allah. See Brian, you made some excellent points about dependancy here, but the thing is you fail to recognise the patheticness of the slavery you submit yourself to. It may seem as though you've used your own free will to decide to choose to submit to Allah, but realistically...

- Does a free will exist?
- How free was your will when you chose to submit to Allah?
- Isn't submission slavery by definition?

Of course, you can be as free as your imagination allows you to be. You can live in a dream world where everything is as you (or in your case "your creator") put it, but then there's no point in connecting yourself to the real world. In other words: either snap out of that dream because you're intelligent (yet insane) and perfectly capable of living among other human beings... Or run from life and be sure no one awakes you from your dreams. I've heard fantastic things about heroin, but a shack on the hill side in Pakistan should do.

That's not intended as a diss, because I've always admired those who dare to dream. It's just deceiving and disillusional, that's all, and that's why you should protect yourself from the "truth".
 

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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2007, 10:43:25 AM »
Remember when Brian's name contained "Allah's Slave" or something to that effect?

Personally, I'd rather not be a slave to anything, not even the creator.  Besides, as I am a Black Man, I am my own GOD, a master of my own destiny.  Therefore, the only thing I worship is my own divine existance.  That, of course, is why Islam is nothing but a lie made up by Muhammad - the real Allah does not wish for "submission" to anyone but oneself (provided you aren't a grafted genetic mutant, like Brian is).
 

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2007, 12:08:49 PM »
The person who needs nothing is the on who is truly free.
So that would include God. No?
 

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2007, 01:22:50 PM »
Remember when Brian's name contained "Allah's Slave" or something to that effect?

Personally, I'd rather not be a slave to anything, not even the creator.  Besides, as I am a Black Man, I am my own GOD, a master of my own destiny.  Therefore, the only thing I worship is my own divine existance.  That, of course, is why Islam is nothing but a lie made up by Muhammad - the real Allah does not wish for "submission" to anyone but oneself (provided you aren't a grafted genetic mutant, like Brian is).

LOL so those Africans willed and destined for themselves to be taken to the New World as slaves... and be basically raped as a whole race? Quite divine I must say.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2007, 01:49:30 PM »
you're right about the whole dependance/addiction thing... but thats common sense
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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2007, 05:19:52 PM »

Allah is self-sufficient, and Allah is not in need of anything. 





Then Allah is not in need of your worship, you shouldnt have to go and pray/worship at all or wear any religious attire.


What Allah/God/Jesus wants is for to expand yo mind niggaz.



Allah doesn't need my worship, my worship of Allah is for my own benefit.
 

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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2007, 07:48:16 PM »
If you are attatched or addicted to something than you become a slave to that thing.  This could be a drug, a job, a woman, food, anything,RELIGION When you are in such a condition you can be easily exploited.
 

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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2007, 01:53:24 PM »
Remember when Brian's name contained "Allah's Slave" or something to that effect?

Personally, I'd rather not be a slave to anything, not even the creator.  Besides, as I am a Black Man, I am my own GOD, a master of my own destiny.  Therefore, the only thing I worship is my own divine existance.  That, of course, is why Islam is nothing but a lie made up by Muhammad - the real Allah does not wish for "submission" to anyone but oneself (provided you aren't a grafted genetic mutant, like Brian is).

LOL so those Africans willed and destined for themselves to be taken to the New World as slaves... and be basically raped as a whole race? Quite divine I must say.

No, of course not.  But it was in the prophecy that some day, Africans would re-discover their divine qualities and take back the Earth.  That time is coming very soon, and unfortunately for you and the rest of the Yakub crew, things won't be so nice on that day.
 

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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2007, 02:12:59 PM »
Remember when Brian's name contained "Allah's Slave" or something to that effect?

Personally, I'd rather not be a slave to anything, not even the creator.  Besides, as I am a Black Man, I am my own GOD, a master of my own destiny.  Therefore, the only thing I worship is my own divine existance.  That, of course, is why Islam is nothing but a lie made up by Muhammad - the real Allah does not wish for "submission" to anyone but oneself (provided you aren't a grafted genetic mutant, like Brian is).

LOL so those Africans willed and destined for themselves to be taken to the New World as slaves... and be basically raped as a whole race? Quite divine I must say.

No, of course not.  But it was in the prophecy that some day, Africans would re-discover their divine qualities and take back the Earth.  That time is coming very soon, and unfortunately for you and the rest of the Yakub crew, things won't be so nice on that day.

How can a GOD be a slave? You said they will rediscover their divine qualities... meaning they have either been lost or forgotten at some point... but that would make you "GODS"  imperfect beings... thus, you're not GODS. Sorry to break it to you this way, but you monkeys telling yourselves that you're GODS isn't going to change the reality of things.
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2007, 01:40:39 AM »
How can a GOD be a slave? You said they will rediscover their divine qualities... meaning they have either been lost or forgotten at some point... but that would make you "GODS"  imperfect beings... thus, you're not GODS. Sorry to break it to you this way, but you monkeys telling yourselves that you're GODS isn't going to change the reality of things.

You know how Christians believe in the divinity of Christ even though he died for our sins?  It's sorta the same idea.  But yes, we are still GODS.  You don't have to believe me now, but just know that on Judgment Day, you will know.  Just listen for the sounds of Kalashnikov fire.
 

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Re: Attatchment and Addiction to Created Things Is Slavery...
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2007, 09:10:11 PM »
I would think I'm reading the words of an anarchist like no-one before him, were it not for the ridiculous submission to Allah. See Brian, you made some excellent points about dependancy here, but the thing is you fail to recognise the patheticness of the slavery you submit yourself to. It may seem as though you've used your own free will to decide to choose to submit to Allah, but realistically...

- Does a free will exist?
- How free was your will when you chose to submit to Allah?
- Isn't submission slavery by definition?

Of course, you can be as free as your imagination allows you to be. You can live in a dream world where everything is as you (or in your case "your creator") put it, but then there's no point in connecting yourself to the real world. In other words: either snap out of that dream because you're intelligent (yet insane) and perfectly capable of living among other human beings... Or run from life and be sure no one awakes you from your dreams. I've heard fantastic things about heroin, but a shack on the hill side in Pakistan should do.

That's not intended as a diss, because I've always admired those who dare to dream. It's just deceiving and disillusional, that's all, and that's why you should protect yourself from the "truth".

I don't like repeating myself, but you went so far as to post a link and asked me to respond in another thread.  So I will waste my time and repeat myself.

Again, like I said in the opening thread.  If you are addicted to a created thing, like a human being, that that person has their own needs and their own interests.  So slavery or addiction to a human being for example, could lead to exploitation.  On the other hand, Allah is self-sufficient, and only gives benefit to those who believe in Him.  Therefore, I am a slave to Allah, and yes, my submission is slavery.  And my slavery to Allah is not something that bemeans me or puts me down, but it raises me many times over.

You are also a slave to Allah.  You are not free enough not to breathe.  You also have to follow the laws of the Creator.  The only difference is I willingly submit, while you make a false claim of being in control.

As for free will, from a human perspective, the Creator (Allah) had full knowledge of his creation before he created it.  From a human perspective we have free will, but ultimately he knows which choice we will make.
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2007, 03:14:42 AM »
I don't consider that repeating yourself or wasting your time - that was a very humble post. Props.

Again, like I said in the opening thread.  If you are addicted to a created thing, like a human being, that that person has their own needs and their own interests.  So slavery or addiction to a human being for example, could lead to exploitation.  On the other hand, Allah is self-sufficient, and only gives benefit to those who believe in Him.  Therefore, I am a slave to Allah, and yes, my submission is slavery.  And my slavery to Allah is not something that bemeans me or puts me down, but it raises me many times over.

I agree on how that could lead to exploitation by another human being. The question that pops up in my head though, is how much does your religion allow the same thing to happen? Who or what is pulling the strings there, and isn't exploitation possible there too? In search of truth, and I know the Islam is just that, isn't it logical to carefully consider all the possible options? Just some thoughts:

It is very well possible that Allah is the creator of everything: we will never know whether this is true or not. But don't you ever wonder why Allah, if He's as righteous as you say He is, only gives benefit to those who believe in Him, as you stated? How does righteousness match with benefiting anyway? Doesn't that make Allah's followers ultimately selfish? Why should Allah reward just them, and not those who don't submit to Him?

In other words, something about the motives of your religion gives me a hint of slavery and oppression. After all, there is no truth in Allah's existance: there is no proof of Him or His actions. Feeling his presence or his power may very well be psychologically explainable, comparable to the workings of placebo's. I'm not saying it is, but it is an option. That could perfectly explain just why believing in Him 'raises' you time after time. To put it simple: does Allah exist all by himself, or does he exist because His believers MAKE him exist? After all, the latter would obviously mean He has been created by man. That would not make him more or less 'true', but it does make a difference when it comes to the subject of slavery coming from attachment or addiction to things created by man.

You are also a slave to Allah.  You are not free enough not to breathe.  You also have to follow the laws of the Creator.  The only difference is I willingly submit, while you make a false claim of being in control.

As for free will, from a human perspective, the Creator (Allah) had full knowledge of his creation before he created it.  From a human perspective we have free will, but ultimately he knows which choice we will make.

I never did say I could live without breathing; I never did claim to be in total control. Whether it's Allah or the forces of nature ruling over us makes very little difference if you ask me. Perhaps you could say I submit myself to those forces as well, which would be a big fallacy on my part, as I don't know who or what created those forces. I don't have to pray five times a day for the big apple tree in my back yard though. I (unconsciously) submit to whatever powers are ruling over me, and that's that.

Once again, thanks for the humble reply.
 

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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2007, 01:28:28 PM »
I don't consider that repeating yourself or wasting your time - that was a very humble post. Props.

Again, like I said in the opening thread.  If you are addicted to a created thing, like a human being, that that person has their own needs and their own interests.  So slavery or addiction to a human being for example, could lead to exploitation.  On the other hand, Allah is self-sufficient, and only gives benefit to those who believe in Him.  Therefore, I am a slave to Allah, and yes, my submission is slavery.  And my slavery to Allah is not something that bemeans me or puts me down, but it raises me many times over.

I agree on how that could lead to exploitation by another human being. The question that pops up in my head though, is how much does your religion allow the same thing to happen? Who or what is pulling the strings there, and isn't exploitation possible there too? In search of truth, and I know the Islam is just that, isn't it logical to carefully consider all the possible options? Just some thoughts:

It is very well possible that Allah is the creator of everything: we will never know whether this is true or not. But don't you ever wonder why Allah, if He's as righteous as you say He is, only gives benefit to those who believe in Him, as you stated? How does righteousness match with benefiting anyway? Doesn't that make Allah's followers ultimately selfish? Why should Allah reward just them, and not those who don't submit to Him?

In other words, something about the motives of your religion gives me a hint of slavery and oppression. After all, there is no truth in Allah's existance: there is no proof of Him or His actions. Feeling his presence or his power may very well be psychologically explainable, comparable to the workings of placebo's. I'm not saying it is, but it is an option. That could perfectly explain just why believing in Him 'raises' you time after time. To put it simple: does Allah exist all by himself, or does he exist because His believers MAKE him exist? After all, the latter would obviously mean He has been created by man. That would not make him more or less 'true', but it does make a difference when it comes to the subject of slavery coming from attachment or addiction to things created by man.

You are also a slave to Allah.  You are not free enough not to breathe.  You also have to follow the laws of the Creator.  The only difference is I willingly submit, while you make a false claim of being in control.

As for free will, from a human perspective, the Creator (Allah) had full knowledge of his creation before he created it.  From a human perspective we have free will, but ultimately he knows which choice we will make.

I never did say I could live without breathing; I never did claim to be in total control. Whether it's Allah or the forces of nature ruling over us makes very little difference if you ask me. Perhaps you could say I submit myself to those forces as well, which would be a big fallacy on my part, as I don't know who or what created those forces. I don't have to pray five times a day for the big apple tree in my back yard though. I (unconsciously) submit to whatever powers are ruling over me, and that's that.

Once again, thanks for the humble reply.

^^^ I appreciate your polite response.  You have spoken well, and I will reply later when I have time.. peace.
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2007, 02:24:26 PM »
Seriously Brian, what about addiction to religion?  Why is that not bad?
 

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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2007, 06:25:04 AM »

It is very well possible that Allah is the creator of everything: we will never know whether this is true or not. But don't you ever wonder why Allah, if He's as righteous as you say He is, only gives benefit to those who believe in Him, as you stated? How does righteousness match with benefiting anyway? Doesn't that make Allah's followers ultimately selfish? Why should Allah reward just them, and not those who don't submit to Him?


First of all, it is not disputable whether or not Allah is the Creator.  In fact, we don't even need to have the name of "Allah" if that's what is confusing you.  We could just say "Creator".  If a man grows up on an abandoned island, and he is worshipping the one who created him and created all things, then he is worshipping the same thing that I worship, whether he knows the name "Allah" or not, the concept is the same.

Allah gives benefit to people whether they believe in him or not.  He is keeping you breathing isn't he?  There's a story of a believing man, who refused to invite a 100 year old man to dinner who didn't believe.  And then it was explained to him, that Allah had fed him for 100 years even though he disbelieved, so he could invite him for one meal.  You get the point.


In other words, something about the motives of your religion gives me a hint of slavery and oppression. After all, there is no truth in Allah's existance: there is no proof of Him or His actions. Feeling his presence or his power may very well be psychologically explainable, comparable to the workings of placebo's. I'm not saying it is, but it is an option. That could perfectly explain just why believing in Him 'raises' you time after time. To put it simple: does Allah exist all by himself, or does he exist because His believers MAKE him exist? After all, the latter would obviously mean He has been created by man. That would not make him more or less 'true', but it does make a difference when it comes to the subject of slavery coming from attachment or addiction to things created by man.

I never did say I could live without breathing; I never did claim to be in total control. Whether it's Allah or the forces of nature ruling over us makes very little difference if you ask me. Perhaps you could say I submit myself to those forces as well, which would be a big fallacy on my part, as I don't know who or what created those forces. I don't have to pray five times a day for the big apple tree in my back yard though. I (unconsciously) submit to whatever powers are ruling over me, and that's that.

Once again, thanks for the humble reply.

The creation is proof of the Creator.  Simple as that.

Secondly, as you were saying, you submit unconsciously.  Well, a Muslim submits consciously.  That is the difference.
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"I will make records as big or bigger than Death Row".   -Dre, Source 1996

"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

Dre -  Source 1996 cover

"Eminem will be bigger than Michael Jackson as long as he doesn't change."

-Dre, Rolling Stones mag 1999 Em cover

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