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Re: To those that think the media doesn't like Ron Paul
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2007, 08:40:13 PM »
I'm not so much loyal to my party, but I don't want a Republican in office this year. I was ok when Bush won in 2000, because I thought that some balance could come from the Clinton administration, and I was interested to see how Republicans would do as president when they have the majority of the congress for the first time since 1954. Of course it was a disaster, and the 6 years that followed where 6 of the most currupt and clusterfuck years in US history. Conservatives are praying that we capture Bin Laden and that at least saves Bush's image in history. But in all honestly, when Bush is remembered, these cover ups will then tarness his presidency, and he'll go down with James Buchanan and Herbert Hoover as 3 of the worst presidents in history. I want the Dems to win for the simple fact of undoing everything that has been done. Sending troops home, increasing tax on the top 1-10% and balencing the budget. In a period where the Dow is experencing record highs that even go above what Clinton's presidency brought, the simple fact is that increased gas prices, health care cost and lower raises given have hurt the working class. Ron Paul is popular because his different, but the Dems are even more popular because Universal Health Care is looking real good when people are paying $50 co-pays for drugs, and people with critical illinesses are selling their homes to afford to live. On top of that, with higher home values and a decreasing number of people wanting to pay a home, usually because they can't afford the cost now, the home and morgage market is crumbling, and Conservatism is not the answer to fix these problems. Last year, for the first time since the Depression, people spend more than they earned, meaning that credit is being maxed out, and people are not able to afford what they buy. And Ron Paul's solution was Hoover's. Look up the Depression, we are in a period like the 20's, high spending, credit issues, and record high stock market. We do have government programs put in place to pad our fall if we ever get that bad again, and these programs were designed after we saw the Depression, so that we'd never go through that again. But Ron Paul's no income tax would kill these programs, leaving us wide open for a repeat of 1929.
 

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Re: To those that think the media doesn't like Ron Paul
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2007, 09:02:00 PM »
Why do people want to vote for Obama cuz hes black.

nope, because he has something that we want to follow, he offers hope, his someone different. If you want Ron Paul you might as well look at Barry Goldwater, or even Ronald Reagan had some libratarian in him. Obama is a liberal, but on top of that, he is not afraid of speaking about changing the way things are, even if it's unpopular. He was against the war in 2002. Lets talk current; Obama went to a Detroit meeting, and remember Michigan has voted Democrat every year since 1992 and the labor unions there are so powerful there thanks to the UAM (United Auto Workers). This man walked up to a standing ovation, because traditionally Mid-Western Democrats are strong union people and Obama has had a strong union past in his voting. But instead of talking about union rights, and strengthing Detroits workers, this man walked in and said Detroit has to change, and that change has to have better fuel efficient cars that can compete with Japan. This made many in the crowd uneasy, and the mayor of Detroit, who is also black and is called the first Hip-Hop major city mayor, straight up said he has not thrown his support for Obama. Obama spoke the truth, even to people who are traditionally friendly to Democrats, and a mayor who would in any other year support him to no end, and in turn it might cost him 18 electoral votes if he wins the nomination. But I would rather support a man like Obama than a man who wants to cut all taxes when I myself have been helped by welfare when my mom was on drugs, by free lunches at school, but medicare until I was 18, by food stamps when I was growing up, and once I got to college, but student aid in the form of tens of thousands of dollars in loans and grants. My life is basically paid by tax dollars, and without it, I would more than likely followed my families business of drug dealing, and other ways to feed my family. So there is no way in the world I would EVER support Ron Paul.

I understand your point.  It's typically working Americans who are pro tax-cut.  I lose 1/3 of my paycheck to income taxes.  I busted my ass, my parents busted their ass, and yet we are forced to give away a SIGNIFICANT portion of our money every two weeks to taxes.   Now I believe that there are worthwhile programs for helping people who truly need it, and I think there are bullshit programs that are expolited by people to get a free ride, never take responsibility for their actions, and blame all of their problems on someone / something else. 

I've had drug users in my family, I've had alcoholics in my family, and I HAVE family members (my dad's sister, mother)  that receive welfare and the only other way they get money is going downtown and volunteering their bodies for medical testing.  These same relatives also don't do much more than buy Cigarettes and go to Bingo, and the River Casino and blow all of their money and then they turn to the rest of the family to "Please give them a little money so they can eat".  My dad has bought their house for them, paid their bills and constantly said "Ok, I'm gonna do this, but I'm not gonna do it again".  After doing that for 15 years, he moved 2000 miles away because he could no longer make himself support their habits.  No matter how much he gave, no matter how many governement checks they received, they NEVER learned their lesson.  I love them, but unfortunately they deserve anything that happens as a result of that lifestyle.  I don't feel sorry for them, and I don't think my Dad, nor anyone else should cut 1/3 of their paycheck that they have nearly killed themselves earning, to support these leeches.

But lets try this...How would you feel about your welfare money no longer being valuable enough to buy you the basic things you need?  Our taxes are funneled into many programs that don't include welfare, programs that are nothing more than bureaucratic bullshit.  And we largely fund these programs through taxes as well as further borrowing, hence our $6 TRILLION debt.  Saudi Arabia and China OWN OUR ASS.  Paul's core campaign is based on eliminating these very programs, cut spending, and strengthening the dollar again. 
 

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Re: To those that think the media doesn't like Ron Paul
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2007, 09:24:26 PM »
Why do people want to vote for Obama cuz hes black.

nope, because he has something that we want to follow, he offers hope, his someone different. If you want Ron Paul you might as well look at Barry Goldwater, or even Ronald Reagan had some libratarian in him. Obama is a liberal, but on top of that, he is not afraid of speaking about changing the way things are, even if it's unpopular. He was against the war in 2002. Lets talk current; Obama went to a Detroit meeting, and remember Michigan has voted Democrat every year since 1992 and the labor unions there are so powerful there thanks to the UAM (United Auto Workers). This man walked up to a standing ovation, because traditionally Mid-Western Democrats are strong union people and Obama has had a strong union past in his voting. But instead of talking about union rights, and strengthing Detroits workers, this man walked in and said Detroit has to change, and that change has to have better fuel efficient cars that can compete with Japan. This made many in the crowd uneasy, and the mayor of Detroit, who is also black and is called the first Hip-Hop major city mayor, straight up said he has not thrown his support for Obama. Obama spoke the truth, even to people who are traditionally friendly to Democrats, and a mayor who would in any other year support him to no end, and in turn it might cost him 18 electoral votes if he wins the nomination. But I would rather support a man like Obama than a man who wants to cut all taxes when I myself have been helped by welfare when my mom was on drugs, by free lunches at school, but medicare until I was 18, by food stamps when I was growing up, and once I got to college, but student aid in the form of tens of thousands of dollars in loans and grants. My life is basically paid by tax dollars, and without it, I would more than likely followed my families business of drug dealing, and other ways to feed my family. So there is no way in the world I would EVER support Ron Paul.

I understand your point.  It's typically working Americans who are pro tax-cut.  I lose 1/3 of my paycheck to income taxes.  I busted my ass, my parents busted their ass, and yet we are forced to give away a SIGNIFICANT portion of our money every two weeks to taxes.   Now I believe that there are worthwhile programs for helping people who truly need it, and I think there are bullshit programs that are expolited by people to get a free ride, never take responsibility for their actions, and blame all of their problems on someone / something else. 

I've had drug users in my family, I've had alcoholics in my family, and I HAVE family members (my dad's sister, mother)  that receive welfare and the only other way they get money is going downtown and volunteering their bodies for medical testing.  These same relatives also don't do much more than buy Cigarettes and go to Bingo, and the River Casino and blow all of their money and then they turn to the rest of the family to "Please give them a little money so they can eat".  My dad has bought their house for them, paid their bills and constantly said "Ok, I'm gonna do this, but I'm not gonna do it again".  After doing that for 15 years, he moved 2000 miles away because he could no longer make himself support their habits.  No matter how much he gave, no matter how many governement checks they received, they NEVER learned their lesson.  I love them, but unfortunately they deserve anything that happens as a result of that lifestyle.  I don't feel sorry for them, and I don't think my Dad, nor anyone else should cut 1/3 of their paycheck that they have nearly killed themselves earning, to support these leeches.

But lets try this...How would you feel about your welfare money no longer being valuable enough to buy you the basic things you need?  Our taxes are funneled into many programs that don't include welfare, programs that are nothing more than bureaucratic bullshit.  And we largely fund these programs through taxes as well as further borrowing, hence our $6 TRILLION debt.  Saudi Arabia and China OWN OUR ASS.  Paul's core campaign is based on eliminating these very programs, cut spending, and strengthening the dollar again. 

I think we do need a balence budget, one that will pay off our debts within 10 years. We had it with Clinton, who cut many programs as a Democrat. I would like to see a working class tax cut, and a tax increase on those that make over $1million per year. Of course, that's be hard to do, and I'm too tired to explain how I think it should be done.. lol.
 

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Re: To those that think the media doesn't like Ron Paul
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2007, 12:58:38 AM »
Sometimes I think a more nationalized economy wouldn't seem like such a bad idea to most Americans if it wasn't for the fact that so much of our money goes into military spending.  While most of the Western world spends a lot on their armed forces, the U.S. spends more than just about all of them put together.  Since that's how it is, many of the crackers are scared of the idea of spending more money on social and economic reforms.  It's only in that respect (the idea of returning to an isolationist policy) that I can agree with Ron Paul.
 

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Re: To those that think the media doesn't like Ron Paul
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2007, 05:51:45 PM »
Sometimes I think a more nationalized economy wouldn't seem like such a bad idea to most Americans if it wasn't for the fact that so much of our money goes into military spending.  While most of the Western world spends a lot on their armed forces, the U.S. spends more than just about all of them put together.  Since that's how it is, many of the crackers are scared of the idea of spending more money on social and economic reforms.  It's only in that respect (the idea of returning to an isolationist policy) that I can agree with Ron Paul.

I believe that fundamentally, people want to progress on social and economic reforms.  So much more money can be allocated to worthwhile programs like that, and at the same time taxes can be cut because billions of dollars would be preserved because we're not pumping all of our money into our armed forces and other bureaucratic programs.

That's a natural product of Paul's non-interventionist policy.
 

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Re: To those that think the media doesn't like Ron Paul
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2007, 04:28:50 AM »
And we largely fund these programs through taxes as well as further borrowing, hence our $6 TRILLION debt.  Saudi Arabia and China OWN OUR ASS.  Paul's core campaign is based on eliminating these very programs, cut spending, and strengthening the dollar again. 

Do you really think that's the case? I wouldn't be suprised if all the money coming from those countries is inofficially taken, not borrowed. I mean what is their damn interest in lending so much money? There must be some "hidden" purpose behind it.
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Re: To those that think the media doesn't like Ron Paul
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2007, 10:09:05 PM »
And we largely fund these programs through taxes as well as further borrowing, hence our $6 TRILLION debt.  Saudi Arabia and China OWN OUR ASS.  Paul's core campaign is based on eliminating these very programs, cut spending, and strengthening the dollar again. 

Do you really think that's the case? I wouldn't be suprised if all the money coming from those countries is inofficially taken, not borrowed. I mean what is their damn interest in lending so much money? There must be some "hidden" purpose behind it.

No, it's absolutely borrowed aka financed.  Their interests (China & SA) are political as well as financial.  For instance, nearly every cat involved in 9/11 was Saudi Arabian, but you don't see us bombing the fuck out of them.  You're right that they're not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, they're absolutely doing it to benefit politically no question.