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« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2007, 01:39:01 PM »
its true, executives in the medical industry are probably making a lot of money, but many doctors arent paid highly unless they are at the top of their field and/or they practice in a unique field. how do i know this? my dad, two of my uncles, my aunt and so on are all doctors. also, you were talking about how the US doesnt have free health care. thats true, but its an issue of interactions between states' medical societies and their respective legislatures. its not about the medical industry trying to fuck people over. how do i know this? because my dads has tried to reform health care for massachusetts for years, so ive seen whats going on.

the function of medicine is so that youll be cured or corrected of whatever is wrong with you to the greatest extent possible and wont need to use that medication anymore as a result. is it that difficult to understand?
 

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« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2007, 03:34:49 PM »
obviously its way too difficult for you to understand.  Just because you have family members who are doctors, doesn't mean a goddamn thing.  Do they own the hospitals?  Are they the CEO's of the pharmecuetical comapnies?  A doctor, unless he owns his own practice, is just a middleman for someone else.  Just as a cashier, bagger, shelf stocker are middle men for a grocery store.  It could be very well in many doctor's intentions to help people out, but they are not the high up people who make the business decisions...they perform the work.  there is business aspects in every single thing in life, and its obvious that you don't know the first thing when it comes to business.

Answer my questions:  Why doesn't every single AIDS patient get the same health care as Magic Johnson?  Why have no major diseases been cured in years, when we have so much more information and better technology?  Why are both the insurance and pharmaceutical industries billion dollar industries?

If the function of medicine is your given definition, then can a needle junkie whore with no insurance, who has contracted HIV, go into a hospital and get the same medicine as Magic Johnson?
 

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« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2007, 10:00:10 PM »
medicine doesnt magically appear in pharmacies. it takes money to research and manufacture medicine, so it naturally costs money to buy it. magic johnson has more money than your typical "needle junkie whore", so he can afford better treatment. the reason that these two examples dont recieve the same care is because health care is not free. thats being worked on.
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« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2007, 10:05:22 PM »
so...how is the medical industry not a business out for a profit?  Somehow in your posts I missed that point.
 

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« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2007, 10:14:00 PM »
every industry is out for some form of profit. its supply and demand. there is demand for medicine because it works and is beneficial to the wellbeing of mankind, so it is supplied by companies that look to gain from it. if it was as corrupt and inefficient as you portray it to be, it would have fazed out thousands of years ago because people would have caught onto those aspects. you arent a genius among retards picking apart a conspiracy. people see exactly whats going on.
 

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« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2007, 10:42:08 PM »
when did I say anything about it being corrupt?  damn you people on here are dumb.  I didn't once say that it was corrupt.  Nor did I ever say anything about a conspiracy.  Stop putting words in my mouth.  People catching onto what aspects?  You mean something along the lines of someone not really having a disorder such as ADD or whatnot?  People need to blame something.  Kids not doing well in school...take him to the doctor...find out his disorder...oh kids got ADD, that is what to blame.

Just like the thread starter.  You break your leg...you go to the doctor.  You get the chicken pox...you go to the doctor.  You have a heart attack...you go to the doctor.  All great examples of why doctors are and always will be needed.  You can't make friends...you don't go to the doctor...you go to a party, join a sports team, enroll in a class...whatever, something social, but taking medication because u can't make friends is not a real solution.
 

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« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2007, 10:56:43 PM »
youre so ignorant, complacent, and dense... shits crazy. you can keep thinking what you wanna think. i know what the reality is because i know psychiatrists who deal with mental issues everyday. treatments like ECT. i dont expect you to know or understand that though.
 

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« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2007, 11:21:42 PM »
you can go ahead and think I am all that.  Who fucking cares that you know psychiatrists who deal with mental issues everyday?  Whats your fuckin point?  I know people have mental issues, its part of being a human being.  There is always more than one solution to a problem.  Taking medication, IMO, is a copout, its an easy way out, and a temporary solution.  Every fuckin human being on this planet has problems.  And there is enough doctors/psychiatrists in this world, that every single person on this planet could be diagnosed w/ some kind of mental disorder.  Just because one doctor says you have social anxiety, doesn't mean every doctor will say that you do.  Like I said before, I can gaurantee that I can go to a therapists, say some shit about my life, talk about my problems, and I can get prescribed some medication.  Everybody on this forum can do it.

Take depression.  someone could be very depressed, so they go to the doctor, and doctor gives them medication, which helps.  But other than the medication, the person has not changed their life at all.  How is that a solution?  The person was depressed because of some crappy thing going on in their life.  Maybe their job.  maybe their home life.  maybe they were bored with their life.  who knows it could be any number of reasons.  but rather than go out and change their life, and find out what makes them happy in life, they don't change anything in their life but taking medication.  This happens all the time, with tons of people, and tons of different "disorders".

You, my friend, are the one who is ignorant, complacent, and dense.  I'm not saying that doctors/psychiatrists/medication don't help these problems, because I'm not one to judge that, I don't consider myself to have any "disorder", I've never been to a therapist or taken medication.  If someone says the medication is helping them, then fuck it, who am I to say its not helping them?  But my example in the above paragraph shows how it is not a real permanent solution, but only an easy way out for people.  Its extremely hard for one to face his problems and overcome them, and not many people can do it.  Believe me, I don't expect you, or the thread starter, or 99% of this forum to believe what I am saying.  I've dealt with a lot of people in my life.  A vast majority of people are very dumb, have very lil or no common sense, and don't use logic.  I'm just saying it to say it.  Someday you may change, you might start thinking, and you might start changing your views.
 

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« Reply #58 on: June 04, 2007, 02:15:31 AM »
+1 for kickin the internet habit


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« Reply #59 on: June 04, 2007, 02:27:21 AM »
Okay Grundy you win. You're smart and everyone on earth is stupid. Is this what it was? A pissing contest to you? I don't hate anyone on the internet but I want to give you a big fat fuck you.

Anyways since every time I go to check my email (which i'm never going to stop checking) and seeing that i'm getting private messages from the nice people here, i'm going to stay until my summer classes start where i'll be in class 4 days out of the week.

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