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Oh for definite the Lebanese army has been described as a poorly paid and trained rag tag band and if anything, hezbollah are a much more effective fighting unit. What I was talking about however was the fact the bombardments have massively weakened Lebanon's infrastructure, don't overlook the fact that Lebanon was a very prosperous nation and is in itself very westernised. However it's obvious once again that another reason for the massive attack on Lebanon was to stir up genuine hatred and thus create a genuine enemy. Regarding what you said about Lebanon being primed for an american attack, there might be some truth in that but why would it be necessary when the prime minister is so obviously "western minded"?
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.
LOL @ this chump thinking he's the next Henry Kissinger cuz he majored in Poli Sci and traveled to a couple countries... stop pulling shit out of your ass... I don't see Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Jordan as good... the shit with Israel never ends because of people like you... because people think that certain groups should just bend over and take the dick from Israel already instead of looking at what's just.
Quote from: J @ M @ L on June 25, 2007, 12:58:28 PMLOL @ this chump thinking he's the next Henry Kissinger cuz he majored in Poli Sci and traveled to a couple countries... stop pulling shit out of your ass... I don't see Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Jordan as good... the shit with Israel never ends because of people like you... because people think that certain groups should just bend over and take the dick from Israel already instead of looking at what's just. Hell no, I dont believe the Mid-East should just allow Israel have its way, but the tactics used by Hezbollah in 2006 were stupid. The Lebanese infastructure is now fucked, the country has been put back a couple of decades. Its good the Lebanese government is taking them down. How is the Hamas/Hezbollah policy of sending a couple of rockets to Israel a smart move? Is all stupidity and unrealistic because Israel is too powerful to deal with this way. Israel has shown time and time again that it responds to any attack with unproportionate force. Violence is not a realistic option in dealing with Israel. I got a problem with fucks like you who think sending shitty little rockets is going to do anything except provoke a thousand more bombs in your direction. That whole policy disregards the people around who end up having to deal with the war around them, the Lebanese people never asked for Hezbollah to wage a war with Israel, in fact before 2006 Lebannon was turning into an international tourism hot-spot, but of course Hezbollah didnt care because they are broke ass refugees who were not getting paid off the Lebanese economy. Hamas and Fatah would be better off dealing with Israel through diplomatic and international pressure and getting European involvement, plus building the West Bank and Gaza back up with all that aid the West and Israel would release to them if they would quit with the bitch tactics. Either that or keep going along with these little skirmishes which never accomplish anything except give Israel an excuse to respond. The problem is simple minded fucks think its a major victory everytime an Israeli citizen dies from a terrorist attack, as I said, some people are just addicted to beef, they got their reasons of course (family killed by Israeli shells, etc), but if hate and revenge is your motivation you are a pretty shit military stategist and unfit to govern or weild power rationally.
Quote from: The Overfiend on June 25, 2007, 09:16:50 PMQuote from: J @ M @ L on June 25, 2007, 12:58:28 PMLOL @ this chump thinking he's the next Henry Kissinger cuz he majored in Poli Sci and traveled to a couple countries... stop pulling shit out of your ass... I don't see Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Jordan as good... the shit with Israel never ends because of people like you... because people think that certain groups should just bend over and take the dick from Israel already instead of looking at what's just. Hell no, I dont believe the Mid-East should just allow Israel have its way, but the tactics used by Hezbollah in 2006 were stupid. The Lebanese infastructure is now fucked, the country has been put back a couple of decades. Its good the Lebanese government is taking them down. How is the Hamas/Hezbollah policy of sending a couple of rockets to Israel a smart move? Is all stupidity and unrealistic because Israel is too powerful to deal with this way. Israel has shown time and time again that it responds to any attack with unproportionate force. Violence is not a realistic option in dealing with Israel. I got a problem with fucks like you who think sending shitty little rockets is going to do anything except provoke a thousand more bombs in your direction. That whole policy disregards the people around who end up having to deal with the war around them, the Lebanese people never asked for Hezbollah to wage a war with Israel, in fact before 2006 Lebannon was turning into an international tourism hot-spot, but of course Hezbollah didnt care because they are broke ass refugees who were not getting paid off the Lebanese economy. Hamas and Fatah would be better off dealing with Israel through diplomatic and international pressure and getting European involvement, plus building the West Bank and Gaza back up with all that aid the West and Israel would release to them if they would quit with the bitch tactics. Either that or keep going along with these little skirmishes which never accomplish anything except give Israel an excuse to respond. The problem is simple minded fucks think its a major victory everytime an Israeli citizen dies from a terrorist attack, as I said, some people are just addicted to beef, they got their reasons of course (family killed by Israeli shells, etc), but if hate and revenge is your motivation you are a pretty shit military stategist and unfit to govern or weild power rationally. Lebanon was also an international tourism spot before 1982... and in 2006 Hezbollah retaliated for an Israeli attack... what are they supposed to do? The Lebanese people also didn't ask Hezbollah to fight back after Israel invaded in the 80s, but they realized that Hezbollah saved the country's ass... Hezbollah doesn't fire rockets for no reason... it's always in retaliation to Israeli actions on the Lebanese side of the border.... when Israel flies spy planes over south Lebanon, Hezbollah pretends to be aiming at the plane (since it has no right being there), and uses it as an excuse to launch another missile into Israel.... why don't you ask yourself what business Israel has in Lebanon? What the fuck are they trying to accomplish? As for "the Lebanese people".... why don't you look more into it, and see for yourself that Hezbollah's support skyrocketed after the war. Who said I wanted Israeli civilians to die? Stop pulling shit out of your retarded ass.
Quote from: J @ M @ L on June 25, 2007, 10:57:12 PMQuote from: The Overfiend on June 25, 2007, 09:16:50 PMQuote from: J @ M @ L on June 25, 2007, 12:58:28 PMLOL @ this chump thinking he's the next Henry Kissinger cuz he majored in Poli Sci and traveled to a couple countries... stop pulling shit out of your ass... I don't see Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Jordan as good... the shit with Israel never ends because of people like you... because people think that certain groups should just bend over and take the dick from Israel already instead of looking at what's just. Hell no, I dont believe the Mid-East should just allow Israel have its way, but the tactics used by Hezbollah in 2006 were stupid. The Lebanese infastructure is now fucked, the country has been put back a couple of decades. Its good the Lebanese government is taking them down. How is the Hamas/Hezbollah policy of sending a couple of rockets to Israel a smart move? Is all stupidity and unrealistic because Israel is too powerful to deal with this way. Israel has shown time and time again that it responds to any attack with unproportionate force. Violence is not a realistic option in dealing with Israel. I got a problem with fucks like you who think sending shitty little rockets is going to do anything except provoke a thousand more bombs in your direction. That whole policy disregards the people around who end up having to deal with the war around them, the Lebanese people never asked for Hezbollah to wage a war with Israel, in fact before 2006 Lebannon was turning into an international tourism hot-spot, but of course Hezbollah didnt care because they are broke ass refugees who were not getting paid off the Lebanese economy. Hamas and Fatah would be better off dealing with Israel through diplomatic and international pressure and getting European involvement, plus building the West Bank and Gaza back up with all that aid the West and Israel would release to them if they would quit with the bitch tactics. Either that or keep going along with these little skirmishes which never accomplish anything except give Israel an excuse to respond. The problem is simple minded fucks think its a major victory everytime an Israeli citizen dies from a terrorist attack, as I said, some people are just addicted to beef, they got their reasons of course (family killed by Israeli shells, etc), but if hate and revenge is your motivation you are a pretty shit military stategist and unfit to govern or weild power rationally. Lebanon was also an international tourism spot before 1982... and in 2006 Hezbollah retaliated for an Israeli attack... what are they supposed to do? The Lebanese people also didn't ask Hezbollah to fight back after Israel invaded in the 80s, but they realized that Hezbollah saved the country's ass... Hezbollah doesn't fire rockets for no reason... it's always in retaliation to Israeli actions on the Lebanese side of the border.... when Israel flies spy planes over south Lebanon, Hezbollah pretends to be aiming at the plane (since it has no right being there), and uses it as an excuse to launch another missile into Israel.... why don't you ask yourself what business Israel has in Lebanon? What the fuck are they trying to accomplish? As for "the Lebanese people".... why don't you look more into it, and see for yourself that Hezbollah's support skyrocketed after the war. Who said I wanted Israeli civilians to die? Stop pulling shit out of your retarded ass. Israel's business in Lebanon was Hezbollah. Hezbollah has to be taken off, because, how do I say this, they don't care about the welfare of Lebanon, only fighting with Israel. They are from poor families with little stake in Lebanon's economy, what do they care if the IDF destroys the Lebanese economy? The Lebanese Christians have the biggest stake in the economy, they own most the tourism joints and business in Lebanon and because of this, why would you want some local militia constantly starting shit with the heavily armed neighbour? Fuck that, they been constantly having to rebuild because of Hezbollah. Lebanon should only have 1 army, the one run by its government. The Israelis and the Lebanese are actually sick of war, its just various people who have been addicted to beef for so long they dont want to let go.
I admit I dont know much about Lebanese politics and you seem to know more about the issue than me. But what Im trying to say is that Hezbollah acts like an army outside the jurisdiction of the Lebanese state and seems to operate independently of the Lebanese government, this is not really a good thing because Hezbollah isnt tied to the economic interests of Lebannon or the interests that the government has, the government and Lebannon have different priorities for Lebannon, this is what I meant by saying 'Hezbollah dosnt care about Lebannon', that they ultimately give priority to the fight with Israel rather than the economic welfare and safety of Lebannon. Despite their hero status, I dont think Hezbollah are any substitute for the Lebanese government. In 2006, Hezbollah played into the hands of Israel by allowing itself to be provoked by the IDF's incursions into the south of Lebannon, Israel was waiting for Hezbollah to react. The Lebanese government, despite everybody saying that it is hopless, is restrained for a reason.
Quote from: The Overfiend on June 27, 2007, 08:58:46 PMI admit I dont know much about Lebanese politics and you seem to know more about the issue than me. But what Im trying to say is that Hezbollah acts like an army outside the jurisdiction of the Lebanese state and seems to operate independently of the Lebanese government, this is not really a good thing because Hezbollah isnt tied to the economic interests of Lebannon or the interests that the government has, the government and Lebannon have different priorities for Lebannon, this is what I meant by saying 'Hezbollah dosnt care about Lebannon', that they ultimately give priority to the fight with Israel rather than the economic welfare and safety of Lebannon. Despite their hero status, I dont think Hezbollah are any substitute for the Lebanese government. In 2006, Hezbollah played into the hands of Israel by allowing itself to be provoked by the IDF's incursions into the south of Lebannon, Israel was waiting for Hezbollah to react. The Lebanese government, despite everybody saying that it is hopless, is restrained for a reason. Yes, you're right... they do have different interests because Hezbollah is acting in the interest of the Lebanese people... they are already a part of the government, and have nothing to gain except dead members. Examine your logic here: they give priority to fighting with Israel rather than the safety of Lebanon.... since Isreal has invaded numerous times in the past (for reasons other than Hezbollah), and Hezbollah is retaliating in defense, aren't they defending Lebanon and thus making the safety of Lebanon a priority? Hezbollah is responsible (not the only factor, but definitely the main one) for Israel's withdrawal in 2000... and I want to emphasize again, that Israel did not invade because of Hezbollah... Hezbollah only became an issue after Israel's invasion. When Hezbollah snatched those 2 soldiers on Lebanese land, they did what any other country would've done. What Israel did in response was immoral, disproportionate, and unnecessary. Factions within the Lebanese government are "restrained" as you say because they want to see Hezbollah demolished because they're fully aware of the support growing for Hezbollah. Israel was planning last year's attack over a year in advance, and is now in the same process.The main point is this: No Hezbollah = Israel annexes land in the south (up to the Litani River)... if it's not Hezbollah, they'll find (create) another reason (excuse). Hezbollah's purpose of existence is to prevent this from happening... if you don't consider that in the interest of the Lebanese people, then I don't know what else to tell you, since we're obviously then looking at this in completely different ways.
But the Litani river and the southern boarder is not an issue worth risking the ENTIRE country for.
Hell no, I dont believe the Mid-East should just allow Israel have its way
If Hezbollah isn't there, Israel will just take that shit... the only thing in their way is Hezbollah... and that's why they're so persistent in their bullshit.
Overfiend ,you keep mentioning the term "terrorist" as if to question the legitimacy of resistance to Israeli expansionism. Let's examine this term shall we. The capsule definition of "terrorism" is the indiscriminate targeting of civilians to achieve political ends. Now let's look at the numbers. During the second Lebanon war Hezbollah killed approximately 40 Israeli civilians, Israel killed some 1000 civilians. In plain terms, Israel committed 25 times the terror Hezbollah committed. However, it doesn't seem like you object Israel entering negotiations on grounds of being "terrorist".
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