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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2007, 12:13:26 PM »
i work for vodafone directly selling phones and providing service etc etc. gotta say i'm not impressed by the iphone on paper. it probably looks cool but its one of those products that seems to be 99% hype and hasn't got much going for it...definitely not for the serious business or multimedia user as that review suggests....

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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2007, 01:22:39 PM »
dunno about the nokia n95 the battery lasts about a day and a lot of the features are crap. the camera is nice though. the nokia E90 is a bit of a brick but that's a serious piece of kit, every feature you can possibly imagine. any ericcson is bound to be good, great battery life, great music playing facilities, won't break down so easy. the real iphone killer from sony is prolly the w960i, upcoming high end walkman phone. 8 gig internal memory, hi-res cam, great sound quality, high res touch screen etc etc etc. definitely one to look out for as well as that k850i...

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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2007, 06:03:08 PM »
There will be PLENTY of "iPhone Killers" just like there has been "iPod Killers"  8)  ;)

apple is in a league of their own with products they make... people that are calling everything a "iPod/iPhone Killer"  just dont get the simplicity and integration of their products...  thats what keeps people the usability not craming in a million features that are hard or not as enjoyable to use....

im perfectly happy with my iPhone
 

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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2007, 07:29:36 PM »
i was and still am a huge sony ericsson fan but since apple became a cell phone maker i got a new favorite... i love my iphone... but before then i always told everyone to shoot for the sony ericsson ... and i hate Motorola ... hate their operating system

and its not about what your phone "CAN" do but what you "Do" with your phone... half the people that lounge for all these features hardly ever use them... for someone like you that does... then more power to you... but its also huge on how you use it... and who makes it seemless and easy to use while at the same time being functional that will win. and right now im on apples side... but of course im a long time apple fan like everyone here knows.
 

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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2007, 06:05:39 AM »
^^^

yeah well another huge thing for me is integration....

i have a MacBook Pro, iMac, iPhone, iPod and apple accessories... so integration is perfect... and i have no problems with compatibility.
 

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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2007, 11:33:27 AM »
i got the nokia n73 with a 2 gig minisd card and im happy with it,


 

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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2007, 07:00:57 PM »
that htc p4550 looks to be THE device for me, especially as my ebay purchased bluetooth gps reciever that i use with my windows phone + tom tom is a pile of crap that never works. gonna pick one up, is launching as the vodafone v1615 on vodafone so i should be able to get one through work somehow ;]

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« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2007, 10:40:56 AM »
LMAO...some teen from Jersey cracked it

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« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2007, 11:57:46 AM »
MSN,YAHOO,AOL CHAT FOR YOUR PHONE HOMIES!
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« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2007, 12:01:31 PM »
well i dont know about mig33 but it works fucking well,i always use it and i dont have problems with it!
 

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« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2007, 12:09:20 PM »
it's full alright it got all the feature except the photo  8)
 

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« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2007, 12:35:43 PM »
nice i didnt know that mig33 had the photo,ima def go check this out when you'll be able to post the link +1 already for ya! props
 

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« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2007, 12:49:13 PM »
thx man! props! +1 again in a hour  8)
 

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« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2007, 04:17:49 PM »
tom tom is perfect and works great when i was getting a valid gps signal to it. the problem is just with the crappy obscure branded gps reciever, it can hardly ever fix a position anymore just works when it wants to.....and yeah the n95 isn't great for gps. however the 6110 navigator phone is much better for navigating for a few reasons and seems to run faster than the n95 too. have been selling loads of them the past 2 weeks as we have them on exclusive. a lot of people seem to be drawn to the better battery life and navigating functionality over the n95. it hasn't got the beefy specs of the n95 but it does have a real nice plastic feel and a smooth slide.

i'll just be putting tom tom onto the p4550 and should be all good again. i got to see another htc device which is about the same dimensions as the kaiser this week and although fairly heavy its a really nice metal feel and has really perfect dimensions, much more pocketable than my qtek 9100 and miles smaller than the e90. the e90 is pretty damn massive if you ask me, although for its market thats not really an issue. i think the kaiser will be perfect for a non-business user who uses a pda phone for all the cool stuff that they can do. shame there is a lot of lame 'business' people on vodafone's consumer databases who have these kind of devices and don't really have the first idea how to use em. and we always have to sort shit out for 'em :/

thought of a sneaky legitimate way to get a kaiser thingy through vodafone paying £15 a month for 12 months on a new line ;]
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« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2007, 04:44:25 PM »
i haven't i might go next door to the orange store and test one out as they have it. read the touch screen is real nice but i don't like the idea of no keyboard after getting used to my qtek. yeah vodafone brand their devices - the qtek i got direct from voda wasn't actually branded at all though ;] but its follow up, the TyTN, was the v1605. just meant it had 'Vodafone' plastered on it, i don't think they screwed around with the software and general functionality on there too much, not too sure... it does always mean its customised to all of the networks specific services though and if your using it on the same network (which i will be) then things couldn't be easier.

however my qtek did come preloaded with msn messenger and the v1605 didn't have it on there, so maybe they removed that? if there's isn't the new pocket live messenger on the v1615 im gonna be pissed. there isn't a live messenger on the current wm6 device we do - the v1415 (HTC S710) but i don't think that's supposed to be on there anyway, being a standard edition of WM6...not too sure there...

oh and the motorola Z8 isn't really doing very well. people don't know to use the interface but i played it with a lot it is a cool phone with the powerful OS and everything. consumers just don't like it and not many business users seem to be clocked onto its functionality...and the battery life is HORRIBLE, maybe worse than the N95 :0

samsung G600 is also launching this week, got the dummy models in yesterday. a nice small slider, not too slim though with a 5mp camera and samsung have at last dropped the touch sensitive crap on this one too. gonna be their main push for the holiday season and looks to be really nice. i think samsung maybe have the easiest UI for normal phone funtionality of all the manufacturers...
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« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2007, 06:40:41 PM »
I got a SLVR L7 and it > iphone. It does everything yours does for a hella big fraction of the price.

Next phone i'll be getting is either a SLVR L9



or the RAZR2



I'm leaning towards the SLVR L9 because it's cheaper.
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« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2007, 07:56:21 PM »
bundy you should go for z8 if it HAVE to be a motorola,it runs Symbian UIQ 3.1 a powerfull OS,Matty says the battery sucks,but hey get a extra battery.
you can see a preview video in the previous post and find a nice review for it over at www.mobile-review.com


you mean that huge ass phone? the RAZR2 runs linux btw.
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Re: so who is gettin a damn iphone? haha
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2007, 02:32:24 PM »
Since it was so hard to move this thread to the OG thread,I moved the OG the tread over here;






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Haha, Maddox is funny.

On the real though, the iPhone is an expensive, already outdated piece of machinery. It's only got two things going for it:

1)It's got a sleek & sexy look to it, some say.

2)It's got Apple marketing forces to push it AND Apple enthusiasts, geeks, lovers and other Mac-loving mofos to suck it down.


http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2007/iphone-name-en.shtml ;

iPhone is shrouded in mystery and vagueness, and our readers seem perplexed about what this phone actually is, while Apple firmly believes it has re-invented the mobile phone and tries to foist its views off on consumers. With this piece we are kicking off a series of articles on the modern world of mobile phones, what and how Apple has created, what the place of the Apple iPhone among other handsets is. This product, as a phenomenon, is already here, so the only thing left to do is find out what it really can do, emotions, marketing tricks and tub-thumping fans aside. So, here goes the first installment.

For the time being users seem to be confused, as they continue to argue about “what is the iPhone?”. Is it a mere feature phone, or, perhaps, it can be qualified as an Apple-branded smartphone, or even a communicator, though the latter version doesn’t have many followers. Let’s take a closer look at this product’s positioning.

Some time ago the iPhone went by the name of apple smartphone; though I really have no idea what people sticking with it mean by that. In order to avoid delving deep into queer terms and puns, let’s remind ourselves, what the market accepts as a smartphone.

Smartphone – a handset running on a non-proprietary operating system that allows creation of additional applications by third-party developers, while all tools required for that are provided by the OS developer. In a word, you can install third-party programs, increasing overall functionality. So happens that smartphones powered by one and the same OS are released by different makers, so here comes another, indirect token – more than one manufacturer of such devices.


Java, being a separate multi-platform standard, meets the definition above in some way, but doesn’t offer those device management abilities offered by developers of stand-alone OS. At the same time, standardization of Java goes at full tilt and perhaps the moment, when the borderline between Java-programs and native applications is no more will come pretty soon.

The market features two major smartphone operating systems - Symbian, Windows Mobile. Linux inside does not automatically means that all devices running on it are smartphones. The LJ by Motorola is quite specific – at present it has all the locks on, being a closed operating system, and development of native applications for Linux MontaVista in it is impossible, that’s the thing only the maker himself can do.

Now let’s take a once-over of the iPhone’s abilities. Can you install own Java-applications on it? The answer is No – this standard is not supported. And what about applications from the desktop OS? No way. In spite of the dreams (that many had) about identical OS versions found in the phone and desktops, there is no such thing here. It appears that the difference is even more tremendous than between the desktop Safari and that the iPhone comes preinstalled with.

It turns out that no applications can be installed on the phone, so the user is limited to the pool of applications drawn by the maker in the first place. And in this sense, the handset doesn’t qualify as a smartphone by any means and calling it this way is somewhat ridiculous. What is more, MAC OS itself can’t turn a feature phone into a smartphone – it simply skimps on features.

The followers of the smartphone theory will usually feed you with these arguments:
Only smartphones sport huge touch-sensitive displays and on-screen keyboards. A very weak point, as the market offers loads of touchscreen-based devices that have nothing to do with smartphones. For example, the Nokia 6108 with its handwriting recognition for some Asian countries, even though it runs S40 by Nokia.
This is a smartphone, for it carries MAC OS onboard, just like the one in desktops. Hmm, really, really pitiful argument – if applications from desktop PCs could actually work here, then it would be a smartphone. But in this case, any OS would do – in any event, it is totally different from what the developers are experienced in, so there is no way for them to write own applications.
The feature pack and suite of applications clearly indicate that it is a smartphone. Apparently, people spreading this opinion have never encountered real smartphones with substantially greater default functionality. It is not even worth talking about.

At the same time, it would seem that Apple realizes how scanty this device is, and offers a way-out – network applications that can be launched via the browser. This is where we are stepping onto a tricky road, as we will have to speak about certain things that nullify the entire concept of this device and simply won’t be accepted by any of its fans.

Networks applications is the future of the mobile phone market – they are growing in numbers with every passing year, and new features keep popping up. Just remember Google Maps, whose implementation found in the iPhone is one of the market’s best. This is a default application, which is quite interesting. There will be other applications strongly connected with network resources, for instance WikiPedia. For the most part, these will be content-based services.

And if only this segment was unique to Apple, then we would say that the company is the pioneer and is now intensively building up a new niche. Alas! The first company to get the idea of network applications on board was Nokia. Today the number of various Widgets is far greater than that for the iPhone. The community of developers easily makes up new apps, is interested in them, and, more importantly, has all essential tools at its disposal. Again, no traits here for the iPhone.

But it is not the worst thing. Today’s smartphones are characterized by a tiny feature that brings them together – multitasking. Even feature phones are coming to grips with it – platforms A100, A200 Sony Ericsson, Nokia S40 5th Edition FP2 (Q1, Q2, 2008) and later on – Motorola’s LJ.

The iPhone has not multitasking whatsoever, of course if you don’t count its ability to play music in background mode. In a word, you can’t handle your mail and organizer at the same time, switching between them, copying data from the latter and pasting it into letters, adding some notes etc. This means the iPhone doesn’t have to goods to allow you manage your time with ease. Instead of that, you are down to perform one task in one sitting. Is that bad? By no means, there is nothing to be ashamed of, many phones can’t do that either. So, we finally come to the verdict that the iPhone is not a smartphone but a feature phone remarkable solely for its touch-sensitive display.
Enterprise, multimedia, fashion, something else?

Having figured out that the iPhone is a mere feature phone, let’s take a glance at its positioning, and find out who can buy this product. Narrowing down to a certain audience, this would be people already familiar with Apple’s solutions and with some experience of managing them under their belts. Then, the consumers bent on cutting-edge technologies, in other words – enthusiast. For them, this solution is a fount of various sweet bonuses. Also, there is a big group of consumers who never had a clue what this was all about, but gave in to the craze. So, in order to learn what this device can offer specific audiences, we are now looking at it through the lenses of its specifications.

Enterprise. The iPhone has no spirit of an enterprise solution. Basically, the definition of a business handset today is very obscure, the market is polarized, but we can specify some characteristic segments and generic features. Technology-savvy companies with developed IT-departments sit on the top – they supply their employees with smartphones and communicators, extracting the benefits they bring.

What are the strong sides of these solutions? For most it would be email that can keep anyone occupied during a trip. For example, in the US market, it is email that allows BlackBerry devices, as well as a number of Windows Mobile products to breathe. These days many companies actively employ MS Exchange ActiveSync, Push Mail, which enable instant delivery of email to connected units – as if it was an SMS that gets to the recipient a few seconds after sending. We even overlook other aspects, since these basics are pretty much enough already. You can also throw here the ability to view headlines of letters on a server, selective upload and other amenities for good measure.

Ability to view and edit MS Office attachments and also Adobe Acrobat (iPhone allows viewing only, no options for saving them either). Moreover, such devices usually get enterprise data bases installed, which contain contacts, valuable information, custom applications, so that the user can always get access to the data he needs. This automatically means that a notebook at hand becomes pretty much useless, all goods are already on the handset.

Remote management of smartphones (both WM and Symbian) – this is one of the top-priority fields. This system implies that an administrator, should you have your device stolen or lost, can lock your SIM-card, but that’s not all, he can also wipe the device’s memory. In a similar way, he can update firmware versions over the air on thousands of units, utilized by the company, add new features, and upload new data or applications. It might sound like a fairy tale, but it is already here and similar systems are widely adopted.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess that iPhone has none of these amenities (not even close) – just an abysmal email client that allows you only to view documents, that’s about it. The maker has also taken care of user’s files that can’t be carried on the device and sent via email, the device simply has a different idea behind it.

Less advanced companies also worth a few words – these prefer buying feature phones for their employees, since the latter need reliable communications alone, rather than bells and whistles. And a different logic kicks in here. First, this device should boast a good brand (iPhone – a great brand), second, feature fair price/quality ratio, and be easy in use and service (that’s where the iPhone falls flat).

That is, if a manager faces the dilemma of going for either the Nokia 6233 for 1 USD on a 2-year contract, or the iPhone for 499 USD signed for 2 years as well, what his choice will be? I suppose the answer is obvious and need no further comments.

An important conclusion we can make right now – the iPhone is a personal device and by no means a business-aimed solution; enterprise users will never accept it. So it turns out, the companies that can shell out for the iPhone, won’t do it, since it doesn’t have the goods, while smaller companies will overlook this nifty, hyped and hence pricey device in their pursuit of price/brand ratio.

Multimedia. Apple is famous for its MP3-players, this is actually its second prioritized field, after computers. So seemingly it comes up with a multimedia-ready device, which is the iPhone. But is it so?

Thankfully, or, maybe, regrettably, a few years ago Nokia established NSeries, a range comprising multimedia-heavy products that were called not feature phones or even smartphones, but multimedia computers. The multimedia department of these solutions kept getting underscored on every occasion (suitable or not). What the market recognizes as a multimedia-driven device today?

Probably, the following characteristics matter the most:
Ability to play music;
Radio;
Video playback;
Ability to make and edit own video clips;
Bundled camera, image editor, special effects;
Games;

What of the above does the iPhone deliver? Well, no games are available, and for want of hardware keys, there won’t be a wide array of them. Therefore, the iPhone is not about gaming, no matter how you look at it (hence a great many of younger people are put off).

There is a camera in this device, but it has no settings, or allows you to make any use of the snaps (no stock editor, one and the same wallpaper all the time), no video recording capabilities. In this sense the iPhone is quite meager. While Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Samsung and Motorola enable direct PC connection over Bluetooth, USB for printing, you won’t find this feature in the iPhone. The thing it banks on is slide-show, but other makers have it as well. Missing memory card slot and USB Mass Storage mode will never allow you to copy snaps onto other devices. However, it is not a big deal, since the low-end camera module found in the iPhone won’t provoke any strong desire for printing out photos in view of their very mediocre quality.

With its player Apple has proven that FM-radiо onboard does not guarantee success. That’s why everything the whole mobile industry has been striving to get to over all these years is now ignored. Today the guideline on the mobile phone market is really, really simple – tack on radio onto as many devise as you can. And the companies follow it, be it with or without RDS, radio modules can be encountered even in entry-level solutions. In its turn, the iPhone with its own concept comes in to oppose the market’s principle.

The music department is supposed to be the iPhone’s edge – something should be backing up its image of 6th generation of iPod with integrated phone. There is much truth to this wording, in this sense it is indeed a music-heavy product. But when it’s put face to face with Walkman or XpressMusic handsets, it turns out to be lagging on a lot of things.

It is just about time for anger and tension to grow, because once again we encroach on the very fundamental things – the iPod along with other Apple’s music-minded products are associated with great sonic experience, etc. etc. But this is a mere myth, skillfully maintained by the company itself. In fact, the Apple’s players utilize technologies of 2003-2004 and are lagging far behind the market with their average sound quality. Before iPod Video many complained about outside noises during music playback, these were caused by nothing but the player’s hardware. The company has always been into selling the aura, design of its products, rather than technological talents or cutting-edge hardware solutions. And eventually, this played a nasty trick on its iPhone. “Why?” – I hear you ask. Simple, all today’s mobile phones come in with much richer retail package:
Remote control – none available for the iPhone;
Ability to plug in any 3,5 mm compatible headphones without adapters (jack mounted on a headset or the device itself). The iPhone actually retains one, but it was intentionally recessed, so as to prevent the users from connecting custom earphones and force them to buy new from the company – a very limited choice, mediocre quality (especially true for the default headphones), well, no good;
A2DP Bluetooth profile – the iPhone just doesn’t have this profile, meaning that wires are your only option;
Direct music uploads – the iPhone doesn’t deliver this feature, you are down to iTunes, which requires synchronization every time;
Getting music from friends over Bluetooth – disabled in the iPhone;
Stereo-speakers to share favorite tunes – none in the iPhone;
Dedicated music keys on the casing – the iPhone comes with its touch-screen alone, have to call it to life all the time.

And this is only a short list. The iPhone does retain the basic functionality (playlists, filters), a handful of visual amenities (album art), but omits loads of extras that shape up the final impression. In other words, with this convergent device, the only thing the company has done is replication of its previous offerings without any further enhancements. For example, Nokia, Sony Ericcson allow the users to control playback by shaking the phone, the Walkman range calls it SensMe, which picks tunes to match the mood of the song you originally chose. We could go on and on with all these details. And all this takes place against the backdrop of a very though competition in sound quality between the iPhone and some flagship solutions. I don’t want to delve deep into this right now – it will be highlighted later anyway. However, it is important to understand that Apple sticks with its policy in this field – basic implementation of the music department with quite good, yet nothing-to-shout-about sound quality (lags behind the contemporary players, for example the Sony A800), skimpy suite of extras.

Of the six constituents listed above, technically, the iPhone offers three, and one of them is obviously inferior to the competition. It turns out that by contemporary standards, this product cannot qualify as a multimedia-ready solution. I wouldn’t mind if someone called it this way (which is closer to the reality): iPod Video with a phone module chucked into it.
Fashion and nothing else

What characterizes all fashion-savvy solutions? A good, recognized brand (the iPhone has it), quaint design (in stock), top-notch materials (got’em), relatively hefty price tag (obviously). Meanwhile, the maker can provide only the core functionality with no bells and whistles – fashion-conscious users put it very low on their lists, they rather need a thing grabbing everyone’s eyes and displaying their status. The success of the Nokia 8800 and all of its variations results from the abovementioned factors.

So, the iPhone is a real fashion phone? Exactly, it is the only class it belongs to.

This means the iPhone’s direct rival can by, say, the LG Prada. By the way, these two solutions are very resembling philosophy-wise and in the sense of some technologies used.

Finally, we have figured out what kind of phone it is, and come to realize that it is neither an enterprise solution nor a multimedia-heavy device. Apple has made a bold move by shutting itself away from the segment of premium MP3-players, which have already become its signature, and slipped into the lower price-bracket. Its top of the line solutions are replaced by the iPhone, which can be dragged along as a second or even third phone, allowing you to brag about your status and lots of cash. That’s why there are no price cuts for the phone, which would’ve made it too affordable (even more than it is today, which wasn’t on Apple’s to-do list).

The hype around the product lets it reach the main goal – make its owner the talk of the town for some time. This is what characterizes every fashion-savvy solution.

The path they have picked is quite good, especially for the US market, where it will be rivaled only by Nokia, which is relatively weak on this market. That is, there no competition with the fashion-savvy Nokia 8800 in its American iteration, while the Nokia N95’s sells well, but nothing outstanding about it. With an army of the iPod owners behind its back and player replacement dates on the near-horizon for many users, the company has made all the right moves and offered a product that made the market go crazy. However the figures they give us are a tad shady, since about 25 percent of all sales were generated by profiteers, who wanted to gain something from the fuss around the iPhone. Well, they failed. But that’s what we are going to focus on in the articles to come.

 

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iPhone Review from Phone Scoop





Here´s just a couple of phones that kill Iphone
I´m sure HTC,Samsung and Motorola got a couple too.


SonyEricsson P1

Technical specifications;
http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=gb&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pip3&zone=pp&pid=10864
Sony Ericsson P1 Review


SonyEricsson K850

Technical specifications;
http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=gb&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pip3&zone=pp&pid=10868
Sony Ericsson K850 Preview



Nokia 95

Technical specifications;
http://europe.nokia.com/A4323297
Nokia N95 Review







dunno about the nokia n95 the battery lasts about a day and a lot of the features are crap. the camera is nice though. the nokia E90 is a bit of a brick but that's a serious piece of kit, every feature you can possibly imagine. any ericcson is bound to be good, great battery life, great music playing facilities, won't break down so easy. the real iphone killer from sony is prolly the w960i, upcoming high end walkman phone. 8 gig internal memory, hi-res cam, great sound quality, high res touch screen etc etc etc. definitely one to look out for as well as that k850i...

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=gb&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pip1&zone=pp&pid=10908

I actually own a N95,had it since it came out.
Yes,the battery sucks,I use two battery´s every >:( day. Thinking about buying myself  :otwo more :o, battery´s so I have four.
Symbian S60 3.1 ain´t stabble either,it crash all the time >:(.
But the specs is amongst the best on the market if not the best at the moment.
What features don´t you like?
Yes,Nokia E90 is a brick,the same can be said about HTC TyTn.
I had SE P990 before I changed to N95. I was not pleased with Symbian UIQ 3.0,shit was mad slow and crashed all the time. I was VERY pleased with my SE P800 and P900 who ran UIQ 2.0,so UIQ 3.0 was a let down :(.
Hope all the bugs is fixed on UIQ 3.1,the SE W960 is dope,but right now I´m tired of Symbian.
The UI is not really user friendly either. I agree with you that SE makes better phone´s and their OS and UI; A100 wich they use on their "normal" phone´s is the best on the market. But right now I miss better specs on their phone´s,I will throw my N95 out the window as soon as SE release a phone with the same specs as N95 or better,hopefully a phone that run´s the A100 OS.




There will be PLENTY of "iPhone Killers" just like there has been "iPod Killers"  8)  ;)

apple is in a league of their own with products they make... people that are calling everything a "iPod/iPhone Killer"  just dont get the simplicity and integration of their products...  thats what keeps people the usability not craming in a million features that are hard or not as enjoyable to use....

im perfectly happy with my iPhone

Nothing wrong with Apple,hell I just bought myself a Mac-Book.
It´s just that Iphone is overhyped and outdated. My old SE P800 from 2000 could almost do everything Iphone does and that says alot.

SE P800;



i was and still am a huge sony ericsson fan but since apple became a cell phone maker i got a new favorite... i love my iphone... but before then i always told everyone to shoot for the sony ericsson ... and i hate Motorola ... hate their operating system

and its not about what your phone "CAN" do but what you "Do" with your phone... half the people that lounge for all these features hardly ever use them... for someone like you that does... then more power to you... but its also huge on how you use it... and who makes it seemless and easy to use while at the same time being functional that will win. and right now im on apples side... but of course im a long time apple fan like everyone here knows.

I feel you on that,I will be the first one to say that alot these OS/UI ain´t user friendly. I hope that Symbian and Windows Mobile will pick up a trick or two from Apple´s Iphone UI. A little competion is only good for the consumer.
Yes,I use all the features,but as you said people hardly use the features. I have to help all my friends set up their phones for e-mail,getting them a proper web-browser (opera mini),set up short cuts etc. and show them how to use their phone´s.
Well Motorola use alot of differnt OS´s on their phone´s. They have their own,wich suck and they have phone´s with Windows mobile and Symbian.
As I said before,I use a Mac-Book(so no hating on Apple),so when Apple or SE(my favorite) release a phone that can match the features of N95 or better,I will throw my phone(N95) out the window.




^^^

yeah well another huge thing for me is integration....

I have a MacBook Pro, iMac, iPhone, iPod and apple accessories... so integration is perfect... and i have no problems with compatibility.

Yeah,my friend got a
QTEK 8300


Qtek 8300 smartphone review

http://www.htc.com.pt/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=99&option=com_phpshop&Itemid=44&lang=en
The first EDGE and WiFi smartphone with Windows Mobile 5.0 Smartphone Edition is here! With Qtek 8310, you are not getting just a phone. You can stay in touch with friends or colleagues through Pocket MSN, send and receive emails through Microsoft Pocket Outlook, or listen to music or watch movies with Microsoft Media Player. This is also your perfect device for SIP VoIP solution. With the smooth black finishing, Qtek 8310 lets you work and play in style.
TI OMAP 850, 200 Mhz
Windows Mobile 5.0
64 MB ROM + 64 MB SDRAM
Mini SD card
1.3 mp camera
Bluetooth (version 1.1)
IrDA
Wifi

The phone already 2-3 years old,but damn there´s still no other small phone on the market with WiFi.
Well,back to the point. Integration,he got the phone pluged via usb to his lap-top all the time,so everything sync automaticly in the background,contacts,calender,mail,notes etc. It even charges the phone while you work.
Should be interesting to see if Windows mobile and Apple OS will take over the cell phone market in the long run.
Maybe we will see Windows and/or Apple OS on future Nokia and SonyEricsson phones?

QTEK/HTC got a couple of other dope phones;
HTC Touch

http://www.htc.com.pt/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=187&option=com_phpshop&Itemid=44&lang=en
HTC Touch™ is deceptively small and stylish mobile phone that ushers in an innovative new concept in intuitive touch screen navigation. The HTC Touch™ brings a new level of simplicity to the powerful and function-rich device experience that today's mobile consumers demand. Building on its rich ten year history of mobile phone innovations, the HTC Touch™ represents extensive research and development and the conviction that fingertip control will enable more efficient, natural and intuitive touch screen navigation. The groundbreaking HTC Touch™ offers a new and unique way of controlling touch screen-based devices by recognising and responding to the sweep of a finger across the screen. It is even intelligent enough to distinguish between finger and stylus input and then respond accordingly.

HTC Touch Preview



TI OMAP a 201 MHz
GSM, GPRS
128 MB ROM + 64 MB SDRAM
MicroSD Card
2 mpx camera
Bluetooth v 2.0
WiFi: 802.11b/g (11Mbps)
TouchFLO™


HTC P4550

http://www.easydevices.co.uk/pp/PDA/HTC/HTC_P4550.html
•   Operating System: Windows Mobile 6 Professional
•   Processor: 400MHz
•   Memory: 128MB RAM, 256MB ROM
•   Screen: 2.8" QVGA touch screen
•   Quad-band GSM/GPRS
•   UMTS, HSDPA wireless data connectivity
•   WiFi-enabled
•   Bluetooth 2.0
•   3 MegaPixel Camera with Auto Focus
•   Integrated GPS
•   Secondary VGA camera for video telephony
•   Rechargeable, removable battery
•   microSD card slot
•   Full QWERTY keyboard
•   Dimensions: 110mm x 58mm x 18mm

Dimensions:   58 x 110 x 18 millimetres
Mass:   160 grams (battery included)
Software Environment
Operating System:   Windows Mobile 6 Professional
Microprocessor
CPU:   32bit Samsung SC32442
CPU Clock:   400 MHz
Memory, Storage capacity
ROM capacity:   256 MB
RAM capacity:   64 MB
Display
Display Type:   color transflective TFT , 65536 scales
Display Resolution:   240 x 320
Display Diagonal:   2.8 "
Sound
Microphone:   mono
Speaker:   mono
Audio Output:   Proprietary jack
Cellular Phone
Cellular Networks:   GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS800, UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
Cellular Data Standards:   CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA
Call Alert:   72 -chord melody
Vibrating Alert:   Supported
Control Peripherals
Positioning Device:   Touchscreen
Keyboard:   Slide-out QWERTY-type keyboard, 41 keys
Directional Pad:   5 -way block
Jog / Scroll Wheel:   Pressable rotary scroll wheel
Interfaces
Expansion Slots:   SDIO, microSD, TransFlash
Serial:   RS-232 , 115200bit/s
USB:   USB 2.0 client, 60Mbit/s , USB Series Mini-B (mini-USB) connector
Bluetooth:   Bluetooth 2.0
Wireless LAN:   802.11b, 802.11g
Satellite Navigation
Built-in GPS:   NMEA 0183
Built-in Digital Camera
Main Camera:   CMOS sensor, 2.8MP
Autofocus (AF):   Supported
Built-in Flash:   Mobile light (LED)
Secondary Camera:   CMOS sensor, 640x480 pixel
Power Supply
Battery:   Lithium-ion , removable
Battery Capacity:   1500 mAh



that htc p4550 looks to be THE device for me, especially as my ebay purchased bluetooth gps reciever that i use with my windows phone + tom tom is a pile of crap that never works. gonna pick one up, is launching as the vodafone v1615 on vodafone so i should be able to get one through work somehow ;]

It´s a dope phone,here´s a video review
HTC P4550 (Kaiser) Demonstration by eXpansys



How to get MSN on your cell phone

If you like Motorola phones you better check Z8 out,it runs Symbian UIQ 3.1. :firedevil:
Motorola MOTORIZR Z8

motorola Z8: short preview

Review of GSM/UMTS-smartphone Motorola Z8
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/motorola-z8-en.shtml









that htc p4550 looks to be THE device for me, especially as my ebay purchased bluetooth gps reciever that i use with my windows phone + tom tom is a pile of crap that never works. gonna pick one up, is launching as the vodafone v1615 on vodafone so i should be able to get one through work somehow ;]


what? did you say Matty that Tom Tom doesn´t work? hmmmm,I tought that was the shit. I went by a cell phone store and looked at SE P1,i saw that they had included Wayfinder GPS in the package. I also looked at the HTC Touch phone,shit looks nice.
As you already probably know the GPS on N95 sucks,I never use it. I use it for fun sometimes,but right now I´m looking for a new phone,N95 sucks. SE T650 looks nice,so do those HTC joints.



















it's full alright it got all the feature except the photo  8)

the new mig33 beta got photo,I will check your´s out. I cocking some food while writing this,that´why I can´t do it all at the same time,but as far as I know the agile client is the best(got free trial).
I will find the chinese/russian link for you all in a minute,never tried myself,,,,, so it will be a "hook up" for myself....



nice i didnt know that mig33 had the photo,ima def go check this out when you'll be able to post the link +1 already for ya! props

should be wap.mig33.com straight from your phone or www.mig33.com .
I can´t find the other client from china/russia,maybe Matty can find the link?




But vodaphone don't "brand"  WM phones do they?
I hate "branded" phones,I know they "brand" Symbian phones,but...
Have you tried the "touch ui"?





i haven't i might go next door to the orange store and test one out as they have it. read the touch screen is real nice but i don't like the idea of no keyboard after getting used to my qtek. yeah vodafone brand their devices - the qtek i got direct from voda wasn't actually branded at all though ;] but its follow up, the TyTN, was the v1605. just meant it had 'Vodafone' plastered on it, i don't think they screwed around with the software and general functionality on there too much, not too sure... it does always mean its customised to all of the networks specific services though and if your using it on the same network (which i will be) then things couldn't be easier.

however my qtek did come preloaded with msn messenger and the v1605 didn't have it on there, so maybe they removed that? if there's isn't the new pocket live messenger on the v1615 im gonna be pissed. there isn't a live messenger on the current wm6 device we do - the v1415 (HTC S710) but i don't think that's supposed to be on there anyway, being a standard edition of WM6...not too sure there...

oh and the motorola Z8 isn't really doing very well. people don't know to use the interface but i played it with a lot it is a cool phone with the powerful OS and everything. consumers just don't like it and not many business users seem to be clocked onto its functionality...and the battery life is HORRIBLE, maybe worse than the N95 :0

samsung G600 is also launching this week, got the dummy models in yesterday. a nice small slider, not too slim though with a 5mp camera and samsung have at last dropped the touch sensitive crap on this one too. gonna be their main push for the holiday season and looks to be really nice. i think samsung maybe have the easiest UI for normal phone funtionality of all the manufacturers...






As far as I know,samsung licence a gang of OS/UI's they use both s40&a100 on their "dum" phones&symbian&wm on their"smart"phone's,I played with HTC S710 for a minute,but didn't really get a full look on the new OS(wm6),I had your phone qtek 9100 for test a couple of weeks,but u know it takes time to set everything up like u wan't it,short cuts,e-mail,applications etc. I actually don't like the keyboard,so I use the touch screen.
So z8 battery suck,damn? I figured the new Symbian UIQ 3.1 was improved(more user friendly)



nice i didnt know that mig33 had the photo

here's a link to the best IM,I've tried www.agilemessenger.com . It's not free,maybe Matty Know about a free link?
...& there's a cracked MSN client for symbian from an russian/chinese site,maybe Matty got the link for this too.
cell phone applications;
www.getjar.com
web browser;
www.mini.opera.com/app
















I got a SLVR L7 and it > iphone. It does everything yours does for a hella big fraction of the price.

Next phone i'll be getting is either a SLVR L9



or the RAZR2



I'm leaning towards the SLVR L9 because it's cheaper.





Bundy you should go for Z8 if it HAVE to be a motorola,it runs Symbian UIQ 3.1 a powerfull OS,Matty says the battery sucks,but hey get a extra battery.

motorola Z8: short preview video;

Review of GSM/UMTS-smartphone Motorola Z8
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/motorola-z8-en.shtml


bundy you should go for z8 if it HAVE to be a motorola,it runs Symbian UIQ 3.1 a powerfull OS,Matty says the battery sucks,but hey get a extra battery.
you can see a preview video in the previous post and find a nice review for it over at www.mobile-review.com


you mean that huge ass phone? the RAZR2 runs linux btw.





Big? What? Ain't it about the same size as the Razr's?
If you want to add applications and make your phone personal that's the one,it runs symbian UIQ 3.1 a POWERFULL OS.
There's mad applications for Symbian not only simple java applications.
BTW didn´t know that RAZR2 run Linux,can you you install 3rd party software or only simple Java applications?









...and E.J Rizo,SE had bluetooth on their phone´s since R520/T39.
R520

T39

WAP? Just download www.mini.opera.com/app or www.opera.com if u have a phone with Symbian or Window Mobile.
Small screen rendering,best application for a cell ever.
By the way,there´s already a build in Web browser (not WAP) in Smart phones and in most of the phones that run Symbian Opera is already installed from the get go,and as you probably know most of the SE smart phones that run UIQ got a Touch screen(since 2000). Opera Mini is a simple java application meant for "dum/simple" phones,but Opera Mini is so good that I recomend to ANY phone "smart" or "dum",simply the best web browser out.
Then again why argue,E.J Rizo has made it CLEAR that integration is important for him (read his comments above) and while the iphone don't have the "greatest and latest" features,the UI seems to be more user friendly than the rest.
So it's a give & take situation








Seems like this convo continue here;
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=152903.25
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