The Christian religion has it's origions in astrology

[Blu Lacez]

There will always be stories, made up to discredit Jesus!!
Jesus said that these stories will surface!!
I see nothing wrong in believing in what he Preached!!

[Shallow]

Too bad most blacks abuse Islam as an excuse to be militant and shit.

I guess they are just getting Islam back, since Islam abused most blacks as an excuse to be slave traders and shit.

[Blu Lacez]

Too bad most blacks abuse Islam as an excuse to be militant and shit.

I guess they are just getting Islam back, since Islam abused most blacks as an excuse to be slave traders and shit.

So True!!!

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

I posted up some information.  I was not telling anyone how to live their lives.  Everyone is free to follow their own unique interests, which is what I have done with my own life, and you can do the same with yours.

...The problem with this thread is that Trauma lacked the knowledge necassary to raise issue with the information I had presented, he changed the subject and made a statement against Muslim women.  So I presented the fact that non-Muslim women are often sold as commodities, and that they tend to look more sexy out in public then they do at home for their own husband. 

Then, again, people could not argue that, so they decided to make false claims about me that I was some nerdy kid who nobody liked... when none of that is the truth and the person who made those statements doesn't know anything about me or my past.

So if you all want the truth of my situation, I was a white kid, with white Christian parents (my father was a heavy drinker for those who have taken up such a great interest in my personal life), I grew up in the suburbs.  Yes, I was interested in hip-hop and back in the day (and still love and enjoy 80's and 90's hip-hop) I did call 2pac a hip-hop prophet, because he prophecized his death and many things that happened in the industry and within hip-hop. 

I was heavily interested and fascinated with Islam and Muslims and I converted to Islam when I was 18 years old in Febuary of 2001.  I have since been able to go on Hajj in Mekkah and have been able to spend time in 2 other Arab gulf countries (Emirates and Oman).  My political views are mostly Libertarian (which means I am for keeping government as small as possible) these days as I have a great interest in the perspectives expounded by Harry Browne, however my religion is Islam, and I am still a Muslim.  Because Islam is the most logical religion, in that it is a monotheistic religion which does not worship any man, statue, person, place or time, but rather teaches it's believers to worship the Highest Power.  And the creation is proof of a Creator, so it is I feel is grounded in truth.

Peace.

[Shallow]

...The problem with this thread is that Trauma lacked the knowledge necassary to raise issue with the information I had presented, he changed the subject and made a statement against Muslim women.  So I presented the fact that non-Muslim women are often sold as commodities, and that they tend to look more sexy out in public then they do at home for their own husband. 

Then, again, people could not argue that, so they decided to make false claims about me that I was some nerdy kid who nobody liked... when none of that is the truth and the person who made those statements doesn't know anything about me or my past.

That someone that knows nothing about you is me and if you took the time to actually think about what I wrote and how I wrote it you'd see it was said in a jest. A joke; you know how every time I respond to any of your bullshuit posts you just ignore my responses and move on like they didn't exist simply because you can't argue back? That's a joke to me too. I come to you with logical thought out responses and have no intent of insulting you or your religion and you ignore them.

I even responded to your argument about muslim women vs non-muslim women.

I like Astrology.  And it doesn't make my women wear drapes in public. 

Yeah, your women are sold as commodities and look like whores in public.  The dress down at home for their husband and then put make up on and dress sexy to go out in public.

Wrong again my friend. Some of our women sell themselves as commodities and and look like whores in public. Some don't. What these women choose relies entire upon them. As opposed to being told to dress covered or suffer violent consequences. If I had to choose between having a daughter that was a porn star who did orgy scenes or a daughter that married a muslim in a muslim country and not allowed to even show her hair in public, I'd choose the former every fucking time. Why? Because at the end of the day my daughter has an indepedant choice to stop the porn and lead a different lifestyle. The latter's choice is not independant. Her safety is dependant on the society she lives in and the mindset of the violent population of "righteous" men who deem it acceptible to protect good with evil, violent destructive evil.

Give me an answer. I fucking dare you. Or just ignore this post too and keep trying to convince yourself that no one has a response for your genius arguments.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Wrong again my friend. Some of our women sell themselves as commodities and and look like whores in public. Some don't. What these women choose relies entire upon them. As opposed to being told to dress covered or suffer violent consequences. If I had to choose between having a daughter that was a porn star who did orgy scenes or a daughter that married a muslim in a muslim country and not allowed to even show her hair in public, I'd choose the former every fucking time. Why? Because at the end of the day my daughter has an indepedant choice to stop the porn and lead a different lifestyle. The latter's choice is not independant. Her safety is dependant on the society she lives in and the mindset of the violent population of "righteous" men who deem it acceptible to protect good with evil, violent destructive evil.




Give me an answer. I fucking dare you. Or just ignore this post too and keep trying to convince yourself that no one has a response for your genius arguments.

I have no problem responding to what you have said above.  Let me make 3 simple points.

#1. It is very rare that you will find a Muslim country that is forcing their women wear scarves as a dress code.  I can only think of two, Saudi Arabia and Iran; and even in those cases it is not very strictly enforced.

#2.  America also has a dress code.  You can't run through the streets naked.  So every society determines according to their own values what they consider to be decent behaivor.

#3.  I don't agree with forcing any woman to wear a scarf if they don't want to.  Allah says in Suratal Zumar 39:2 "...Worship God, and be SINCERE in your religion".   Many times sincerity is mentioned as a condition for acts of worship.  Allah also says in verse 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion".     So what is the point of forcing any woman to wear something for a religious purpose?  Any religious act done by someone just because they are being forced, is a useless act that has no real value. 

[Narrator]

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 709:
Narrated Abu Bakra:

During the days (of the battle) of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a word I had heard from Allah's Apostle after I had been about to join the Companions of Al-Jamal (i.e. the camel) and fight along with them. When Allah's Apostle was informed that the Persians had crowned the daughter of Khosrau as their ruler, he said, "Such people as ruled by a lady will never be successful."

[Shallow]

Wrong again my friend. Some of our women sell themselves as commodities and and look like whores in public. Some don't. What these women choose relies entire upon them. As opposed to being told to dress covered or suffer violent consequences. If I had to choose between having a daughter that was a porn star who did orgy scenes or a daughter that married a muslim in a muslim country and not allowed to even show her hair in public, I'd choose the former every fucking time. Why? Because at the end of the day my daughter has an indepedant choice to stop the porn and lead a different lifestyle. The latter's choice is not independant. Her safety is dependant on the society she lives in and the mindset of the violent population of "righteous" men who deem it acceptible to protect good with evil, violent destructive evil.




Give me an answer. I fucking dare you. Or just ignore this post too and keep trying to convince yourself that no one has a response for your genius arguments.

I have no problem responding to what you have said above.  Let me make 3 simple points.

#1. It is very rare that you will find a Muslim country that is forcing their women wear scarves as a dress code.  I can only think of two, Saudi Arabia and Iran; and even in those cases it is not very strictly enforced.

#2.  America also has a dress code.  You can't run through the streets naked.  So every society determines according to their own values what they consider to be decent behaivor.

#3.  I don't agree with forcing any woman to wear a scarf if they don't want to.  Allah says in Suratal Zumar 39:2 "...Worship God, and be SINCERE in your religion".   Many times sincerity is mentioned as a condition for acts of worship.  Allah also says in verse 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion".     So what is the point of forcing any woman to wear something for a religious purpose?  Any religious act done by someone just because they are being forced, is a useless act that has no real value. 

I don't know how the governments over their handle the issue. What I was saying was society. Now I've never been over there so if someone can answer this for me I'd appreciate it. If a woman decides to dress up with hair flowing cleavage exposed, midsection showing and a short skirt and walk around in the town square can she do so with out the probability of some nutcase or nutcases violently showing her that she shouldn't do that?

In Toronto where I am women can legally walk topless, but comparing public nudity to a sexist dress code is as stupid as most of your posts.

[es-jay]

In Toronto where I am women can legally walk topless, but comparing public nudity to a sexist dress code is as stupid as most of your posts.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

In Toronto where I am women can legally walk topless, but comparing public nudity to a sexist dress code is as stupid as most of your posts.

I was just pointing out that different societies and different people follow different moral codes, and so it is quite pretentious for you to assume that another place, culture and person should have to live according to the moral code you have chosen for yourself.

It's funny that it is Christians in this post complaining about the way Muslim women dress, when if you look at any picture of Mary you will see she is dressed the same way.  Nuns still dress in such a way.  Also, in the Bible, in both the old and new testament women are told to dress the same way Muslim women dress.  In fact, in one place in the Bible, I think it may have been Paul who said it, he says that if the woman feels the need to pray without her scarf on, then she deserves to have her head shaved as punishment.

[Don Jacob]

[Shallow]

In Toronto where I am women can legally walk topless, but comparing public nudity to a sexist dress code is as stupid as most of your posts.

I was just pointing out that different societies and different people follow different moral codes, and so it is quite pretentious for you to assume that another place, culture and person should have to live according to the moral code you have chosen for yourself.

It's funny that it is Christians in this post complaining about the way Muslim women dress, when if you look at any picture of Mary you will see she is dressed the same way.  Nuns still dress in such a way.  Also, in the Bible, in both the old and new testament women are told to dress the same way Muslim women dress.  In fact, in one place in the Bible, I think it may have been Paul who said it, he says that if the woman feels the need to pray without her scarf on, then she deserves to have her head shaved as punishment.

Paul like Moses was a man who couldn't stand above the times he lived in. I really could care less about the rules he or Moses say if they are not consistent with the Gospel and Jesus was in the beginning was the Word of God, with God and God at the same time. That being said, this is not an issue of how women choose to dress or act. This is an issue of how they are allowed to dress an act in society. Freedom of choice so long as it doesn't infringe on the freedom of others is something that every human being is entitled to. I wouldn't want my daughter dressing like a slut or acting like a slut, but I'd feel a lot better about walking in on my daughter fucking three guys at once than I would walking into a hospital room visiting my daughter who is in a coma because some idiot thought it was sinful to dress and act like she was doing and threw stones at her head.

My church does have a covered Mary. My grandmother wore a veil over her head almost everywhere she went, and always at church. That was her choice. If any member of my church ever put their hannds on and attacked any woman for not dressing like my grandmother then I would be the first to stand in their way. And if my church approved of such acts then I'd be the first to never enter it again.

[Secondz Away]

this thread makes me think of a stand up show I saw.....the guy said

"Do I believe in Jesus, no but I do think he was a great role model. Mainly because was never quoted as saying blessed are the meek for they shall get laid. Promissing pussy in the after life is just low."