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Re: Anyone here ever been to a psychologist?
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2007, 03:18:12 AM »
When I'm talking about biological factors, I'm talking about genetic factors and neurochemical factors. People who develop a depression have a certain biological predisposition, whereby their biological makeup differs from healthy people. They have lower levels of serotonin and dopamine for example. 

Finally someone who knows what he talks about. I'm getting sick of people who don't realize how a brain works and who think literally everthing in life is "an attitude thing"...
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Re: Anyone here ever been to a psychologist?
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2007, 06:17:06 AM »
When I'm talking about biological factors, I'm talking about genetic factors and neurochemical factors. People who develop a depression have a certain biological predisposition, whereby their biological makeup differs from healthy people. They have lower levels of serotonin and dopamine for example. 

Finally someone who knows what he talks about. I'm getting sick of people who don't realize how a brain works and who think literally everthing in life is "an attitude thing"...

I did 3 years of study for that, but thanks for the recognition ;) +1
 

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Re: Anyone here ever been to a psychologist?
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2007, 04:31:56 PM »

That could be a factor, but it's not the only social factor playing a role. The main social factor is the occurence of a stressful life event, the loss of a loved one.


This is called the previous investment trap.  If something has hurt us in our past, such as the loss of a loved one, then we may inevitably feel sad for a period of time.  However, we should not think that because we have spent years, time, energy, and money on something in our past, that we now have to spend more years, time and money on that thing if it is no longer here and no longer useful for us.  The past is the past, and the stressful event that has happened, has happened, and there is nothing we can do about it in the present.  So we must move on, because it is how we deal with our present that will determine our new future.

Another good example of the previous investment trap is let's say a person pays for some courses to gain some new knowledge or skill.  After a few weeks of the course, they realize that it is not for them, and that they made a mistake in signing up for the course.  But there are still a few weeks left, so they stay in the course, because they have already spent time and money on it in the past.  What they are really saying is, since they've already wasted their money and time on it in the past, then they MUST have to waste more time and money on it in the future... as if this will somehow make them more satisfied with their past mistake.  When in reality, you can never get back that mistake or change it, and the past is the past; they will only be wasting more of their time they could have spent doing something that they love more and is more enjoyable to them.


When I'm talking about biological factors, I'm talking about genetic factors and neurochemical factors. People who develop a depression have a certain biological predisposition, whereby their biological makeup differs from healthy people. They have lower levels of serotonin and dopamine for example. 

And again, there are also cognitive (psychological) distortions of influence. People who have a negative self-precept, who experience the world as hostile and who expect no further improvenents in the future are extra vulnerable for the development of a depression. The way they interpret situations may be causal for a depression. This has nothing to do with living up to the expectations of others. It could be one factor of influence, but it can never explain the whole depression.


This is the despair trap.  Much of this talk about neurochemical and genetic factors supposedly preventing a person from doing what they want with their lives and being happy represents the despair trap.  Whenever we believe that someone or something has prevented us from being free to live our lives the way we want in happiness this represents the despair trap.  However, this is also an erroneous assumption. 

In the example that is above the person is in the despair trap because they think that neurochemical factors and a hostile environment have restricted their pursuit of happiness.  So they spend their time focusing on what is their restriction, rather than thinking about all the possibilities of things they can do.  They spend their time condemning their illness and the people they believe are restricting them, rather then focusing on what they can control; which is themselves and how they choose to spend their time.  We can't change others.  We can't make people in our environment appear more loving to others.  And we can't make our genetics go away.  But what we can do, is accept ourselves for who we are, and move to another environment which is not hostile to us.

If they haven't done this yet, it is probably because they are in the Box trap.  To get out of the box trap, the person should lay down at night, and imagine the box gone.  Imagine being in an environment without the restrictions of hostile people, being in a different city, a quiet place, with nice people.  Then imagining all the things that they would do.  Once they start thinking about the enjoyment they could be having, one thing can lead to another and they will think of more things that could please them. 

Next, there is a price to pay to get them out of that box.  It may be time, it may be money, it may involve confrontation with a person they fear.  Whatever the price is, PAY IT.  Pay it sooner then later and move on with your live.  Imagine yourself having that confrontation with that feared person until imagining it no longer carries the pain it did before, and then carry it out in reality.  You will feel so much better when you do it, and the sooner the better.


 like losing a job or


You mentioned losing a job, but I want to address it here.  People must first understand how the economy works.  Desires are endless, so therefore their will always be someone willing to pay you to have a desire of theirs fullfilled.  They may desire having a clean car, and they will pay you to clean it.  Whatever the case may be, desires are endless, and the market is always changing.  Sometimes we may lose a job because those desires can be fullfilled without our services, so we have to move onto another job where we are needed.  Maybe a business owner can find cheaper labor in India, so we are fired from our manual labor job.  But now, with the time saved from outsourcing manual labor to India, people have more time for relaxation, so you open up or are hired to provide service jobs for people.

Also, cut those things out of your life that aren't important to you.  Is your family telling you you have to have a great big job because that's their idea of "fullfilling responsibilities?"  So what?  Who cares what they think is responsible, what matters is what makes you happy.  If you are happy with working at McDonalds, then work at McDonalds, work two shifts if you want, move in with a roomate to share the bills and start saving up money to do the things you love and want for your life. 

Now, if being rich is what you love, then it may be that the pursuit of riches is what makes you happy.  If so, then go for it.  But don't expect someone to magically front you 15,000 to start your first bussiness.  We can't make anyone do anything.  We must focus on what we CAN control, which is ourselves, and our own pursuit of what we love and enjoy.  So go for it, work hard if that's what gives you enjoyment and fullfillment, and accept help from others without expecting it, and you will find the challenge of life to be much more enjoyable.



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