Going Off On Tanjints Vol.1: U Know What It Iz Vol.3

[Tanjential]

So I know I made a post about the UKWII mixtapes from a musical standpoint recently, but I've been bumpin' UKWII 3 a grip and I wanted to elaborate my thoughts on it.

             UKWII 3 is a great moment in hip-hop because it's the little dude standing up to corporations. Check it: Look at the sales for Game's first record and his second. You think he didn't know Dr.Dre was the difference between one and the other? It was a conscious decision to disobey Dre's order to STOP dissing 50 and why did he make that decision? He saw D-Block, he saw Dipset and why they were dissing 50: 50 came out with the first really hard mainstream gangsta rap album in years (GRODT) and got the whole scene and industry to fall in love with him...only to pull the rug out from under that same industry. As soon as he got the fame and money, he started to bow to corporate wishes and completely take a fat shit on the industry that gave him what he had. And all the gangsta-themed people in the industry/scene noticed this and were bitter about it. It's like when you marry a bitch and then she reveals that she doesn't really like to fuck. Like 'what bitch? now you tell me?' 
          If the rap scene as a whole knew that 50 was going to drop shit like the Massacre after GRODT, alot of cats wouldn't have supported him in the first place like they did.

          Anyway, flash forward to the problems Game was having with 50: for the most part it wasn't a war over money. Which is rare in the industry; it was a war of ideals. 50 felt Game should back him cause Game was in his crew. Game felt that it was no disrespect to 50 to not diss 50's enemies and that that was 50's business. Game could have easily done everything Dre wanted him to do and continued to collect fat checks anjd get Dre production. But he saw the war going on outside with Jadakiss and Styles P dissing 50 in defense of hip-hop and he KNEW that that was the side that he should have been on. When Game dissed G-Unit on stage and proceeded to diss them on UKWII3, he knew he was deliberately disobeying Dre but he felt so strongly about the cheapening of hip-hop that 50 was so clearly a part of that he had to make a hard decision and put ideals before money.He chose defending what he believed in over staying comfortable.

               Listen to moments like when the "Dead Presidents" beat kicks in on "300 Bars N' Runnin' " for the second time "C'mon man? What happened to the thug?" You can hear the sincerity of his voicem feel the power of the moment, and most importantly, see and understand the point Game was clearly making about 50 so blatantly selling out.

              Or when the "For the sunriiiiise" sample kicks in on the same track and Game speaks of heading back to the block with more simplistic adornments, illustrating the changes he's been through. He's dined with kings, lived the lavish live, but in the end it's back to the block, despite being somewhat of a fallen son of sorts having fallen out with Dre to some extent.

     To me it says alot about where Dre's at now too, the fact that he chose 50(Money) over Game (Compton: Home).

            All this is to say nothing about the great collection of beats Skee uses to hold Game down on this mixtape. An impressive collection of beats designed to provoke Jay-Z by sort of saying "I'mana rock these east coast beats cause West coast cats have already torn up the hardest WC beats". And ending 300 Bars with the "Good, Bad, and the Ugly" theme is just brilliant and epic. The song "Down" is funny and clever along with the rest of the ingenuity Game uses throughout the record.

        I've never been one to say Game is among the sickest/most skilled MC's but to me, there's no denying that he knows how to collaborate on making good records. He's not the most naturally talented, but you can tell he constantly realy does study this rap shit and work on his craft greatly which I think is alot more than you can say about alot of mainstream artists these days.

                That said, this mixtape is awesome to me because it shows me that there are people still willing to put ideals over money. And that's a rare, epic moment in hip-hop.

-T

[d-nice]

Yeah 300 bars was a dope concept. Now watch my karma fall through the floor.

Anyway, I am not going to really touch that Game/50 beef because there are 2 sides to it, but in looking back at that mixtape, I remember thinking when the beef popped off that I thought G-Unit was getting ready to Ja Rule Game. Then the 300 bars came out and I don't know about everyone else but they were playing it on the radio out here, the whole thing. Then I was like wow Game got some heart to do that. But I still thought there is strength in numbers and for the longest after that, no disses followed. And even the 300 shots just did not match up. Really G-Unit gave Game life and extra life by putting him on and not putting him out the game after the beef started. He felt backed in a corner, either by 50, or created on his own, and he came out swingin with that. All the disses pretty much after Ghost Unit were excessive and not needed. He made his point with 300 bars IMO.

[SP0RTY]

nice comments i didnt really think of it like that but ur rite

[Meho]

300 Shots was not a response to 300 Bars. No one was even close to saying anything about Game, except for Buck, who dissed him in 1 or 2 lines.

300 Bars was indeed a dope diss, afterall I did take 4 months to create it. But 50 played this beef shit very smart. He hasnt responded once to Game, except for that goofy Not Rich Still Lying track, which was more of a comedy central type shit anyways and a jab or two in interviews ---> basically downgrading the whole "beef". Game had his buzz with the whole G-Unot campaign but that didnt last long. While 50 was busy with GRODT movie and OST, Yayo, Mobb Deep, Banks, Buck. new movies..., Game was dissing, dissing, dissing.... and didnt do shit about starting his BWS label. No wonder hes so dissapointed nowadays and talking about his 3rd album being his last. Maybe he shoud've waited with the whole G-Unot thing a lil bit more because his whole marketing plan for Docs Advocate was "anti-50 Cent". But by then people got tired of that shit and thats why dissapointing numbers by his standards ( this is the man, who said he'll retire if he doesnt do 1 mill the first week).

[CaliKorleone]

Another thing that was not mentioned was Game's survival in hip hop.  What if Game never dissed 50.  Look at what happened to Ja Rule and Murder Inc.  They where getting dissed by G-Unit and never responded.  Now look where Ja and Murder Inc are, they're gone, forgotten.  Game had to diss 50 or the same would have happened to him.

[rik]

How did I know I was gonna come in here and see the"4 months" comment?

[d-nice]

300 Shots was not a response to 300 Bars. No one was even close to saying anything about Game, except for Buck, who dissed him in 1 or 2 lines.

300 Bars was indeed a dope diss, afterall I did take 4 months to create it. But 50 played this beef shit very smart. He hasnt responded once to Game, except for that goofy Not Rich Still Lying track, which was more of a comedy central type shit anyways and a jab or two in interviews ---> basically downgrading the whole "beef". Game had his buzz with the whole G-Unot campaign but that didnt last long. While 50 was busy with GRODT movie and OST, Yayo, Mobb Deep, Banks, Buck. new movies..., Game was dissing, dissing, dissing.... and didnt do shit about starting his BWS label. No wonder hes so dissapointed nowadays and talking about his 3rd album being his last. Maybe he shoud've waited with the whole G-Unot thing a lil bit more because his whole marketing plan for Docs Advocate was "anti-50 Cent". But by then people got tired of that shit and thats why dissapointing numbers by his standards ( this is the man, who said he'll retire if he doesnt do 1 mill the first week).

Yeah, like I said earlier 2 sides to every story. Yeah now that I think back to it 300 shots was not a diss track. All this seems so long ago to me because I was tired of it by the time Ghost Unit dropped. 4 months or not 300 Bars was a dope ass track.

[messi19]

Maybe he shoud've waited with the whole G-Unot thing a lil bit more because his whole marketing plan for Docs Advocate was "anti-50 Cent". But by then people got tired of that shit and thats why dissapointing numbers by his standards

The problem with Game not sellin was more was because when he brought up 50/Dre in interviews and his singles and stuff like dat people knew his album would be all about the Unit/Dre. But in todays climate its hard to do those big numbers too, cause people just dont wanna buy records anymore even if they're big fans of the artist. That's why I think that some people are wrong when they say that record sales is a reflection of the publics interest of a certain artist.

[Bulldog - Your Not Gafflin Nobody]

Another thing that was not mentioned was Game's survival in hip hop.  What if Game never dissed 50.  Look at what happened to Ja Rule and Murder Inc.  They where getting dissed by G-Unit and never responded.  Now look where Ja and Murder Inc are, they're gone, forgotten.  Game had to diss 50 or the same would have happened to him.

practically the whole blood in my eye album was dissing 50, dre and em.

[MontrealCity's Most]

Yeah 300 bars was a dope concept. Now watch my karma fall through the floor.

Anyway, I am not going to really touch that Game/50 beef because there are 2 sides to it, but in looking back at that mixtape, I remember thinking when the beef popped off that I thought G-Unit was getting ready to Ja Rule Game. Then the 300 bars came out and I don't know about everyone else but they were playing it on the radio out here, the whole thing. Then I was like wow Game got some heart to do that. But I still thought there is strength in numbers and for the longest after that, no disses followed. And even the 300 shots just did not match up. Really G-Unit gave Game life and extra life by putting him on and not putting him out the game after the beef started. He felt backed in a corner, either by 50, or created on his own, and he came out swingin with that. All the disses pretty much after Ghost Unit were excessive and not needed. He made his point with 300 bars IMO.

WHy would it drop uz yoe posting youre opinion homie?
#00 bars was a great concept that will be imitated for years on mixtapes.
I know im producing a mixtape and i will have somehitng similar for my artist.

I also agree that its getting to much and that he made his point loud and clear with 300 bars but i think he got the idea of ghost unit wich is kinda funy i guess and wanted to put it out.
It is on a mixtape after all not a official album and on Doctor's advocate he dosent realy go after 50 by name even when talking about the situation.

[d-nice]

Yeah 300 bars was a dope concept. Now watch my karma fall through the floor.

Anyway, I am not going to really touch that Game/50 beef because there are 2 sides to it, but in looking back at that mixtape, I remember thinking when the beef popped off that I thought G-Unit was getting ready to Ja Rule Game. Then the 300 bars came out and I don't know about everyone else but they were playing it on the radio out here, the whole thing. Then I was like wow Game got some heart to do that. But I still thought there is strength in numbers and for the longest after that, no disses followed. And even the 300 shots just did not match up. Really G-Unit gave Game life and extra life by putting him on and not putting him out the game after the beef started. He felt backed in a corner, either by 50, or created on his own, and he came out swingin with that. All the disses pretty much after Ghost Unit were excessive and not needed. He made his point with 300 bars IMO.

WHy would it drop uz yoe posting youre opinion homie?
#00 bars was a great concept that will be imitated for years on mixtapes.
I know im producing a mixtape and i will have somehitng similar for my artist.

I also agree that its getting to much and that he made his point loud and clear with 300 bars but i think he got the idea of ghost unit wich is kinda funy i guess and wanted to put it out.
It is on a mixtape after all not a official album and on Doctor's advocate he dosent realy go after 50 by name even when talking about the situation.

Co-sign to that, but I think he had ample opportunities, including after the All Star Break to sqaush it and be done with it and for whatever reason he has continued. I don't mind it, just be consistent. Either it is Fuck G-Unit 24/7 or he cool with it.

[Canuck]

Another thing that was not mentioned was Game's survival in hip hop.  What if Game never dissed 50.  Look at what happened to Ja Rule and Murder Inc.  They where getting dissed by G-Unit and never responded.  Now look where Ja and Murder Inc are, they're gone, forgotten.  Game had to diss 50 or the same would have happened to him.

I think what happend with Ja Rule and Murder Inc. was that they thought because they were on the top of the game and 50 was still on the come-up that the people would support them over some new guy and if they ignored the beef people would lose interest, because it would seem like they didn't care about what 50 was trying to do, but the fact was that majority of fans thought Ja was soft in the first place and so when he let 50 walk over him it made him seem like an even bigger bitch.

50 on the other hand could ignore Game's shit because he had the fan support,but if he did reply i don't think he could have possibly topped 300 bars, and in the end Game's flip flopping made it easier for Fif to ignore cuz Game was just making himself look stupid at that point.

[Tanjential]

Timbo: If francis ford coppola made a shitload of other gangster movies that were mediocre, excessive, and unncecessary would it make Godfather II any whacker? Nah, so I don't see at all what you're getting at in your response to this thread. it seems you're just reminding us "Yes yes Game did this well, but let's not forget how much dumber he is in this rap shit/life/everything than 50"...You're cool, that's just the impression I get, you see what I'm saying?

I haven't even heard Ghost unit, only Game mixtapes I've heard are the UKWIIs. and vol.3's the only one I like that much.

sporty: I'm glad I could illuminate that aspect.

-T

[Z the laidback Virus]

Still, \i think you give too little thought to Game's stupidity...You're acting like he's a fully rational individual thinking over his emotionally-inspired actions!

[KURUPTION-81]

nice post tanj but i feel you may be over analysing it.

I get the feeling that Game couldnt help himself when it came to dissing 50. 50 had been bad mouthing him and game had to reply, once dre stepped in 50 still carried on and game decided he had to reply.

Once he had crossed that line he couldnt go back, it was also great publicity for the game.